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At campaign rally, Biden decries Democratic 'anger' and pledges unity

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bass4funk

Sep. 21, 2015  04:25 pm JST

"Trump is just the GOP version of Obama, pure and simple. Hard on the BS, without any substance to back anything up, both love their inflated egos as well. With Obama we have socialism, with Trump it would be socialism-lite."

https://japantoday.com/category/have-your-say/do-you-think-donald-trump-would-make-a-good-u-s-president-and-how-do-you-think-it-would-affect-u-s-japan-relations-if-he-were-elected

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the American people didn't, don't, and will not want you for president.*

*I speak for the American people, WE the people do not want uncle Joe to be our President!!

The American people will vote next year - nobody needs to speak for anybody; people will choose for themselves

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Don't sound like you're even capable of speaking for yourself let alone the nation?

Biden will never become President.

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You were backing Ben Carson and defending his idea of his a biblically-inspired tax while dismissing Trump as the leader of a ‘lunatic fringe’. 

I did not.

I don’t think I’m mistaken, but who were you backing when dismissing Trump as the leader of a lunatic fringe? I think you’ll find it was Carson and you thought his tax plan was better than the plan of any Democratic candidate.

What did I get wrong?

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Trump employee's number around 20,000 but his businesses are starting to crumble like his Tower in NY. People don't want to live there.

All right, zichi, let's see you build a more successful business.

Carrying out Putin's orders...

Keep beating that dead horse, lincolnman!

Biden 2020 "A hands on president"

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Anger and fear drives Democrats to the voting box now. It used to be hope and change.

AOC says the world gonna end in 12 years! Gotta vote! Then quietly in the background she retracts that statement and says it obviously wasn’t to be taken literally.

Dems do this 100s of times to emotionally manipulate voters. They get scared, don’t know what is or isn’t true, then vote.

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She's an extremely sensible speaker, and reasonably on the left, rather than extremely left or center. That makes her closer to my personal affiliation.

Joe is ok, but personally I'm an ageist and think he's too old

She’ll never be the nominee.

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I don't think Biden will win the primary by, like HRC before him, running as the presumptive candidate.

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Fear of the 'forces of socialism' is in the minds of those unable to see the world beyond slogans (preferably less than 7 words) pushed by partisan extremists.

Not to mention the fact that they are supporting Socialist policies like giving farmers hurting from tariffs money collected from other industry. "Socialism is bad, except when we like it".

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We've gone so irrelevant that we're talking about corrupt, biased, angry, partisan Barr? That's pretty far afield.

Hmmmm, smearing Trump is one thing, smearing Barr is about as affective as mosquito biting an elephant Not only are the Dems stupid, but they have completely lost it and like Barr threw In Pelosi’s face, “got your handcuffs ready?” They are that far gone to dance with this guy? Lol, ok! Go ahead.

They aren't constantly disparaging our institutions,

No one will let them get near them that’s why? Even AOC is now being challenged in her home district. The woman that killed 250 thousand jobs. Gawd!

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the American people didn't, don't, and will not want you for president.

I speak for the American people, WE the people do not want uncle Joe to be our President!!

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Biden will never become President.

you said the same about Trump!

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Biden will never become President.

You were backing Ben Carson and defending his idea of his a biblically-inspired tax while dismissing Trump as the leader of a ‘lunatic fringe’. You then quickly ‘evolved’ when Trump looked like getting the nomination and later compared him to Einstein.

Your predictions have been a source of a lot of fun here.

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You were backing Ben Carson and defending his idea of his a biblically-inspired tax while dismissing Trump as the leader of a ‘lunatic fringe’.

@bassI did not.

Trump's long been known to flip-flop and have zero regard for honesty. It's no surprise he's attracted so many like-minded followers.

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Looks at the Trumpers here ignore their own preferred network's poll that shows Biden beating Trump by 11 points.

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/fox-news-poll-biden-up-by-double-digits-in-democratic-race

Biden will kill Trump if he is the nominee - he speaks to the blue collar workers who switched to Trump last time - and now realize they were conned. Farmers quitting because of his tariffs, manufacturing and steel workers being laid off. Those folks won't be voting for the author of "The Art of Losing $1 Billion"...

People across America see Trump for the Swindler he is - says keep out illegal immigrants but employs them at his properties, says China is stealing our jobs yet gets his and Ivanka's products manufactured there.

Americans with open eyes have seen the Trump Flim-Flam - and they're sick of it...

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with Trump it would be socialism-lite."*

Boy was I wrong! ROFL!

Looks at the Trumpers here ignore their own preferred network's poll that shows Biden beating Trump by 11 points. 

Hillary did as well. ROFL!

Also, he’s not the Democrat nominee yet and if he does. For the third time, he will have his record of gaffes and non-accomplishments running against him.

Biden will kill Trump if he is the nominee - he speaks to the blue collar workers who switched to Trump last time - and now realize they were conned.

Yeah, you said that about Hillary and he’ll go to prison, orange jumpsuit and all.

Farmers quitting because of his tariffs, manufacturing and steel workers being laid off. Those folks won't be voting for the author of "The Art of Losing $1 Billion"... 

Ok, so Biden has the Unions....hmmm far different from individual Union workers, as for the farmers, some may and some may not, but here is where it gets interesting...

https://www.rollcall.com/news/opinion/democrats-lost-without-trump

People across America see Trump for the Swindler he is - says keep out illegal immigrants but employs them at his properties, says China is stealing our jobs yet gets his and Ivanka's products manufactured there.

No one thinks that but the haters, everyone with a little sense knows that China produces 80% of the things we buy and when you own businesses and corporations and hire hundreds of managers, mistakes can and often happen, the problem was brought to attention, fixed and over and liberals trying to run with this will the same echo chamber effect as the Mueller witch hoax where everyone moved on except some haters and Nadler. But keep it up and but all the focus on Trump. Dems didn’t learn 2010, 2014, 2016 and in 2019.

Americans with open eyes have seen the Trump Flim-Flam - and they're sick of it...

Apparently, they’re even more tired of the Democrats.

Latest Democrat congressional approval rating 3/1-4/19

Approve 38% Disapprove 56% Unsure/ No answer 6%

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Donald Trump is doing everything he can to destroy our country. Yes, we need to unite and defeat him, completely and with authority.

But that's not enough. I want our country to move forward, but I also want the Trump administration held accountable for their corruption and illegal activities. No more Dems playing Nice Guys.  

I don't want to vote for a candidate that isn't willing to hold him accountable.

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Trump employee's number around 20,000 but his businesses are starting to crumble like his Tower in NY. People don't want to live there.

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You don’t see conservatives crying and screaming at the sky when we lose something. We just get up the next day and go to work like we always do.

Dems have to maintain the anger and emotional involvement in everything to fuel the resistance. There are no reasonable policies, it’s all just anger and emotion.

The Fox poll just shows that they don’t rig their polls and coincidentally found 1000 people that prefer Biden over Trump. Which is possible depending who you talk to.

If CNN has Trump besting everyone in a poll they would just throw it out and ever mention it. All this tells me is that Fox actually is fair and balanced.

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Donald Trump is doing everything he can to destroy our country. 

And Democrats are saving it from.....

Yes, we need to unite and defeat him, completely and with authority.

Many of think we need to defeat the forces of socialism and one party rule.

But that's not enough. I want our country to move forward, but I also want the Trump administration held accountable for their corruption and illegal activities. No more Dems playing Nice Guys.  

No more conservative nice guys and as a matter of fact, if they think Biden is their best shot, they got played, ask Mark Cuban.

I don't want to vote for a candidate that isn't willing to hold him accountable.

Then you should never vote again.

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@bas44 Many of think we need to defeat the forces of socialism and one party rule.

Fear of the 'forces of socialism' is in the minds of those unable to see the world beyond slogans (preferably less than 7 words) pushed by partisan extremists.

Some of these partisan extremists are pushing to further entrench Trump's party as the sole party. They're pushing to marginalize opposition. They favor a Russian style of authoritarian or guided 'democracy' with powers centered on the executive, weakening the separation and balance of powers established by the US Constitution.

They need to be defeated.

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Looks at the Trumpers here ignore their own preferred network's poll that shows Biden beating Trump by 11 points. 

Hillary did as well. ROFL!

Newsflash - its 2019, next election is 2020 - Hillary was over in 2016...time to move on from the unhealthy fixation...

Also, he’s not the Democrat nominee yet and if he does. For the third time, he will have his record of gaffes and non-accomplishments running against him.

He knows the difference between "origins" and "oranges" and can remember where his father was born...

Biden will kill Trump if he is the nominee - he speaks to the blue collar workers who switched to Trump last time - and now realize they were conned.

Yeah, you said that about Hillary and he’ll go to prison, orange jumpsuit and all.

Hillary, he, jumpsuit - I'm lost...

Farmers quitting because of his tariffs, manufacturing and steel workers being laid off. Those folks won't be voting for the author of "The Art of Losing $1 Billion"... 

Ok, so Biden has the Unions....hmmm far different from individual Union workers, as for the farmers, some may and some may not, but here is where it gets interesting...

Yea, the union workers that are out of a job thanks to Trump's tariffs...

People across America see Trump for the Swindler he is - says keep out illegal immigrants but employs them at his properties, says China is stealing our jobs yet gets his and Ivanka's products manufactured there.

No one thinks that but the haters, everyone with a little sense knows that China produces 80% of the things we buy and when you own businesses and corporations and hire hundreds of managers, mistakes can and often happen, the problem was brought to attention, fixed and over and liberals trying to run with this will the same echo chamber effect as the Mueller witch hoax where everyone moved on except some haters and Nadler. But keep it up and but all the focus on Trump. Dems didn’t learn 2010, 2014, 2016 and in 2019.

Really? You think his clothes and Ivanka's shoes are no longer made in China? Better check again...

Americans with open eyes have seen the Trump Flim-Flam - and they're sick of it...

Apparently, they’re even more tired of the Democrats.

Fox News poll - Biden beats Trump by double digits - the Con-man has been exposed....

You don’t see conservatives crying and screaming at the sky when we lose something. We just get up the next day and go to work like we always do.

Carrying out Putin's orders...

Dems have to maintain the anger and emotional involvement in everything to fuel the resistance. There are no reasonable policies, it’s all just anger and emotion.

Guess you've never seen a Trump rally...

The Fox poll just shows that they don’t rig their polls and coincidentally found 1000 people that prefer Biden over Trump. Which is possible depending who you talk to.

Really, so Fox News is not accurate?

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So did we. Found ourselves in the opposition and began being the opposition.

Which now with Barr is starting the opposition of the opposition.

People that want to erode our democratic norms by attacking the institutions that underpin those norms.

Good, go after AOC and Bernie. I got your back!

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That's funny - Trumpers bring up Bush more than anyone else.

Actually, they really don’t and they don’t even talk about the Russian witch hoax, but Dems, it’s the only play they have. Yes, Nadler, I’m talking to you.

Don't duck the question - did you?

I’m not, But Did you?

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@mrnoidall -the American people didn't, don't, and will not want you for president.

Curious to hear why you think you're the one to speak for 'the American people'. Even if you might be American.

@theFu Stick with honest facts. There isn't any need to lie or even stretch the truth.

Completely agree. Those pushing alt facts and fake news need to be called out.

I'd like to see the current administration honest up and acknowledge the findings of the Mueller Report which said:

Special counsel Robert Mueller’s report into Russian meddling in the 2016 presidential campaign spelled out in elaborate detail a sophisticated, Kremlin-led operation to sow division in the U.S. and upend the election by using cyberattacks and social media as weapons.

If either party is getting assistance from any foreign government, that must be called out.

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you said the same about Trump

Not because I didn’t think he could win, I thought he couldn’t beat Hillary, but with Biden what record will he run on? A stagnant economy? A sluggish economy, Obamacare? And that’s not including the gaffes and other scandals that are coming his way, and not to mention he’s gonna be pelted by the socialist Democrats.

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Biden will have a “health issue” or make a gaffe of some kind and be replaced once he is clearly the top person.

because if he doesn’t, his own party will drop some some more groping allegations or leak some more about his son and Ukraine.

He is just a place holder so that when he is replaced, whoever replaces him gets all his voters and immediately becomes #1 candidate.

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23 people in the race. Of course this comment is probably true, but if it turns out to be, it won't be because you knew what you were talking about

You think that, I disagree.

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At this moment, I'm liking Tulsey Gabbard. I've listened to her talk for 5-6 hours over two podcasts with Joe Rogan, and she sounds like the exact type of person to be president. She's ex-military, and basically the opposite of Trump - she sees the presidency as an act of service to the people, prioritizing working for the people over self-interests. Unlike Trump who sees the presidency as an act of service to himself, where his personal desires trump (pun intended) service to the people.

She's an extremely sensible speaker, and reasonably on the left, rather than extremely left or center. That makes her closer to my personal affiliation.

Joe is ok, but personally I'm an ageist and think he's too old.

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even before the final selections were made you said Trump for president wasn't good.

I read several 'Trump represents the lunatic fringe' (approx) comments.

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She’ll never be the nominee.

To which I reply:

23 people in the race. Of course your comment is probably true, but if it turns out to be, it won't be because you knew what you were talking about

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The difference being that our track record shows that most of the time you're wrong, whereas mine shows I'm right.

I think you’re usually wrong. trump got elected. Trump is not going to prison, Trump now has the authority to send asylum seekers back. You were totally wrong on all of that. Not to mention, none of the Democrats have a plan or solid policy, socially and we won’t even talk economically that doesn’t involve taxing people to the hilt and with a 56% approval on the economy, the Dem candidates right now are a bag of DOA.

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Looking at reality, thinking realistically, and accepting what's real, I'd say, Creepy Uncle Joey, the American people want the president whose attributes you sneeringly attributed to Trump

And then you realize how utterly incorrect you are when you remember Clinton stomped Donny in the popular vote, which expresses the actual will of the people.

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Dems do this 100s of times to emotionally manipulate voters. They get scared, don’t know what is or isn’t true, then vote.

Love when Trumpophiles project their world into libs. Donny whips up ignorance-driven fear amongst his base, does a few 180s to confuse them, and, because they are too stupid to know what's going on, just follow suit.

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work to unify the country in the wake of Donald Trump's presidency

As if Trump has divided the country. He is guilty, however, to not capitulating to the establishment.

Joe Biden has been a swamp rat in the U.S. government for 40 years. He has been part of the problem for 40 years, helping creating many problems, and solving far fewer.

Donald Trump is doing everything he can to destroy our country.

That would be the Democrats, Crazy.

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Fox has on air talent who constantly are anti/Trump and they keep a job. Who are the pro-Trump people on any other media outlet to provide balanced reporting and commentary?

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Newsflash - its 2019, next election is 2020 - Hillary was over in 2016...time to move on from the unhealthy fixation...

Unhealthy is right! Is it even possible the Dems can do that at this point?

Hillary, he, jumpsuit - I'm lost...

Pretty much the entire Democrat party, Nadler especially.

Yea, the union workers that are out of a job thanks to Trump's tariffs...

https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/articles/2018-09-12/blue-collar-workers-and-trump-have-reason-to-celebrate

Yes, as Schumer and other Democrats said, they want this President to push China and they told many of the farmers it’s going to hurt, but stay strong. Wow, Schumer hanging with Trump, love it.

Fox News poll - Biden beats Trump by double digits - the Con-man has been exposed....

Yeah, uh-huh...ROFL!

https://edition.cnn.com/2019/05/17/politics/joe-biden-frontrunner-2020-campaign-week-in-review/index.html

https://www.businessinsider.com/why-joe-biden-could-lose-run-for-president-2020-2019-3

Guess you've never seen a Trump rally...

Been to one, awesome! If Biden can get over 15-20,000 at every single rally filled to the brim crowds where they have to add extract seats outside with speakers and big screens, I’ll owe you an apology, but I don’t think I’ll ever need to.

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Fear of the 'forces of socialism' is in the minds of those unable to see the world beyond slogans (preferably less than 7 words) pushed by partisan extremists. 

You guys try and say that constantly and no one believes you.

Some of these partisan extremists are pushing to further entrench Trump's party as the sole party.

And the Democrat socialists are doing the same thing, worse. They want to get rid of the EC, packed the courts with more liberals, think convicted felons should vote, want 16 year olds that can’t even clean their rooms properly to vote, they want illegals to vote, in some States it’s already happening, they can never get any of their whacked policies through, so they need the courts to help them and that doesn’t look like it’s happening anymore at least for a generation, so they want to change and cheat the system. Their policies are flawed and instead of making policies where everyone could benefit from, they go as far left and as radical as they can.

They're pushing to marginalize opposition. They favor a Russian style of authoritarian or guided 'democracy' with powers centered on the executive, weakening the separation and balance of powers established by the US Constitution.

Only liberals are talking ans thinking about Russia, Russia, Russia, yeah, keep thinking that and keep chasing them rabbits, better for Trump and the Republicans.

They need to be defeated.

First you need a decent candidate, a moderate that embraces capitalism first and you might have a chance....maybe...

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And Democrats are saving it from.....

People that want to erode our democratic norms by attacking the institutions that underpin those norms.

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Which now with Barr is starting the opposition of the opposition.

We've gone so irrelevant that we're talking about corrupt, biased, angry, partisan Barr? That's pretty far afield.

Good, go after AOC and Bernie. I got your back!

They aren't constantly disparaging our institutions, so I have no idea what you are talking about. More irrelevance.

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"If the American people want a president to add to our division, to lead with a clenched fist, closed hand, a hard heart, to demonize the opponents and spew hatred - they don't need me, they've got President Donald Trump," Biden told the crowd, which was bookended by large video monitors.

Looking at reality, thinking realistically, and accepting what's real, I'd say, Creepy Uncle Joey, the American people want the president whose attributes you sneeringly attributed to Trump; and on the flip side, for the second or third time, Uncle Joe--geeze, you're that creepy relative everybody loathes to see every holiday season--the American people didn't, don't, and will not want you for president.

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I speak for the American people, WE the people do not want uncle Joe to be our President!!

Don't sound like you're even capable of speaking for yourself let alone the nation?

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Not because I didn’t think he could win, I thought he couldn’t beat Hillary,

even before the final selections were made you said Trump for president wasn't good.

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Biden will never become President.

23 people in the race. Of course this comment is probably true, but if it turns out to be, it won't be because you knew what you were talking about.

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You don’t see conservatives crying and screaming at the sky when we lose something. We just get up the next day and go to work like we always do.

So did we. Found ourselves in the opposition and began being the opposition.

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I really really hope Biden gets the nomination.

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There seem to be lots of angry people. It is the sort of anger the Reps had when President Obama was in office. I understand it, especially for unmarried people in their sexual prime who are afraid some national laws are going to be overturned.

Being angry isn't helpful for any politician or election. Stick with honest facts. There isn't any need to lie or even stretch the truth.

It would be good if someone got Mr. Biden to talk a little less crazy by pushing socialist solutions and trying to overturn the State's Rights doctrine.

Mr. Biden has been around so long and has been forced to actually take positions in all those prior years, before some of the large societal changes happened that many core values for the far left Dems are hard for him.

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Tulsi Gabbard would be fine. But the Dem anger wont allow her to even have a chance.

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There are things I like about Tulsi too. But she should be a Republican. Todays Dem party is so far to the left she doesnt belong in it.

I agree that the Dems will sabotage Joe if he continues to lead the pack.

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Biden is right about the unnecessary anger within the Dem party, it just makes liberals intolerable to talk to or to be around. All this “righteous anger” and Trump hate won’t win the election.

But if they aren’t angry, Dems won’t go vote. So got to keep creating things to be angry about I guess.

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I hope they do hope the Dems make Biden the nominee. ROFL!

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