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Democratic rivals try to slow Sanders after big Nevada win

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Biden has 2 problems.

He was tainted in the impeachment, especially when he refused to testify.

Bloomberg is splitting the moderate vote, clearing a path for Bernie to take the lead.

Looks like it’s going to be Trump vs. Bernie, or Russia vs. Russia.

Hilarious

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They seed the education system for generations with Marxist and socialist ideologies, promote the idea that government can solve all problems and hand out "free" stuff, create class warfare by dividing races, genders and sexual orientations....

And then can't figure out why their well-trained voters want a real socialist. It must be that wicked Putin!

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Where’s the Carville quote!

OK. I’ll Putin in for ya’ll

“I mean, it’s a straight line. I don’t think the Sanders campaign in any way is collusion or collaboration.”

“I think they don’t like this story, but the story is a fact, and the reason that the story is a fact is Putin is doing everything that he can to help Trump, including trying to get Sanders the Democratic nomination,” Carville said.

So Sanders wins in Nevada, and the “brilliant” Bill Clinton Democrat strategist James Careville has this to say for his party’s leading nominee.

Nope. No Deep State here. Move along, this isn’t the puppet we’re looking for.

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so Dems just going to pretend this all went great even only 60 percent of the votes have been counted? Why don’t we now the final results?

just letting Mayor Pete try to claim he came in second again once they finishing counting. Unfair to Biden who actually got 2nd

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They seed the education system for generations with Marxist and socialist ideologies, promote the idea that government can solve all problems and hand out "free" stuff, create class warfare by dividing races, genders and sexual orientations....

And then the majority of the electorate either support Trump or someone other than a socialist on the democratic side?

Your idea isn’t really convincing, is it? Sounds like Jordan Peterson flogging a book.

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Bloomberg is just a superdelegate sleeper cell to stop Bernie

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Popcorn time! I am looking forward to see Bernie fans with heads on fire when the guy gets sidelined.

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10!minutes ago.

NEW: Now, 87.55% of precincts are reporting out of Nevada.

Sanders: 47.1%

Biden: 20.1%

Buttigieg: 13.6%

Warren: 9.7%

Steyer: 4.7%

Klobuchar: 3.9%

still can’t count to 100. Klobuchar in 6th but won’t drop out until she denies Bernie delegates from her home state. Pete closer to 3rd than 2nd despite his whining.

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And then the majority of the electorate either support Trump or someone other than a socialist on the democratic side?

If course, because socialism/Marxism are bad ideas. That they have the support they do pretty much makes my case. And that's with a good economy - wait until the next crash. Then you'll see the nation take a hard left. Thanks for the Jordon Peterson comparison, but I'm not flogging a book.

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Biden is not tainted. The impeachment wasn’t about him and if you want to investigate him, do it in a proper setting.

As for low score so far, it is just that (almost) nobody wants him.

Anyways, expect Bernie to be railroaded at the end.

Invalid CSFR

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If course, because socialism/Marxism are bad ideas

Depends what you define as socialism. Providing healthcare to all citizens is regarded as socialism by many on the US right, but that’s what the vast majority of developed nations do. We could spend a long time going through ‘socialist’ ideas which are accepted even by the the right. Even the most crazed libertarians usually don’t go the whole way.

Trump is piling on the debt to pay for his particular brand of ‘socialism’. They are all at it.

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Depends what you define as socialism. Providing healthcare to all citizens is regarded as socialism by many on the US right, but that’s what the vast majority of developed nations do. We could spend a long time going through ‘socialist’ ideas which are accepted even by the the right.

Yes, we could. And most of them would be bad ideas, as most governments create far more problems than they solve. That includes the healthcare field.

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Trump is piling on the debt to pay for his particular brand of ‘socialism’.

Rebuilding the military that was neglected by Obama and using money from tariffs to help farmers is not socialism. Look up the definition of socialism.

And hey, if we can survive a $20 trillion debt ( thanks, Bush and Obama ) we can survive a $23 trillion debt, especially now that the days of economic decline are over thanks to Trump's policies and not to What Magic Wand Do You Have Obama.

The Democrats are doomed in 2020. There is no math for them.

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Yes, we could. And most of them would be bad ideas, as most governments create far more problems than they solve. That includes the healthcare field.

Most of them? So, you are saying some ‘socialist’ ideas are good? Which ones?

As for healthcare, no system is perfect but the ‘socialist’ healthcare systems seem to be performing better than the US system. To take one example, Sanders is right on the outrageous cost of medication. People having to ration insulin due to extortionate costs? That’s a disgrace.

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Here are some of things Sanders has said in the past:

"I favor the public ownership of utilities, banks and major industries"

"I would also urge you to give serious thought about the eventual nationalization of these gigantic [oil] companies"

"I will also be calling for public ownership of the telephone company -- which is probably the single greatest rip-off company in America."

"We have got to begin to deal with the fact that corporations do not have the god-given right to disrupt the lives of their workers or the economic foundation of their towns simply because they wish to move elsewhere to earn a higher rate of profit....In the long run, the problem of the fleeing corporations must be dealt with on the national level by legislation which will bring about the public ownership of the major means of production and their conversion into worker-controlled enterprises."

When he proposed a plan to make it illegal to make more money than a person can spend lifetime, he said, "Nobody should earn more than a million dollars [annually]."

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Blacklabel:. Sanders: 47.1%

Odd. You said the DNC would pull their strings and get Bernie out if the race. Looks like your conspiracy theory didn't work out and you've moved on?

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Most of them? So, you are saying some ‘socialist’ ideas are good? Which ones?

You're right, I may be guilty of understatement. Make that "all of them."

I prefer to judge these things by the long view, not short term performance. That means many decades. Governments tend toward corruption. The larger and more powerful they are, the more corrupt they become. Right now, they are both very large and very powerful, and need to be severely downsized. I think most people will be surprised by how well things would work if that were to happen. Unfortunately, governments are rarely downsized except in extreme events.

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Governments tend toward corruption. The larger and more powerful they are, the more corrupt they become. Right now, they are both very large and very powerful, and need to be severely downsized. I think most people will be surprised by how well things would work if that were to happen. Unfortunately, governments are rarely downsized except in extreme events.

The same could be said for big business.

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Serrano: And hey, if we can survive a $20 trillion debt ( thanks, Bush and Obama ) we can survive a $23 trillion debt

Hypocrite. Pure and simple.

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Most of them? So, you are saying some ‘socialist’ ideas are good? Which ones?

You're right, I may be guilty of understatement. Make that "all of them."

All of them? Everything should be left to the profit motive? Education? Fire services? Prisons? Police? Roads which won’t be profitable? Postal services to remote communities? What do you do with people who can’t afford to see a doctor, dentist or optician?

As has been noted, very few libertarians are poor.

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Tumbledry:

Anyways, expect Bernie to be railroaded at the end.

Yep! And the more excited the Bernie fans get, the better the show. Popcorn time!

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Rebuilding the military that was neglected by Obama and using money from tariffs to help farmers is not socialism.

Bailing out farmers is socialism. The military is a giant socialist enterprise - they even get medical treatment courtesy of the taxpayer. Those really opposed to socialism wanted to see the banks go under along with others after the economy crashed under Bush 2.

Trump’s spending is ridiculous.

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Bailing out farmers is socialism. The military is a giant socialist enterprise - they even get medical treatment courtesy of the taxpayer.

Oh, well, let's just get rid of the government altogether then, everyone for himself! lol

You didn't look up the definition of socialism, did you? Better get to it.

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You didn't look up the definition of socialism, did you?

Didn’t need to. My definition is constant. Your definition of socialism seems to shift depending on who does it.

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Serrano: And hey, if we can survive a $20 trillion debt ( thanks, Bush and Obama ) we can survive a $23 trillion debt

Hypocrite. Pure and simple.

You cut the rest of my post to make it look like I'm a hypocrite. As the economy continues to grow and takes in more and more tax revenue as more and more people work and incomes rise, the debt will start to be paid down.

Your solution is to explode the debt even more and ruin the economy by throwing out Trump and electing a Democrat president.

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Your solution is to explode the debt even more and ruin the economy by throwing out Trump and electing a Democrat president.

Has Trump's deficit topped a trillion yet? I believe it has. During a hot economy. With all of your extra revenue.

You can throw as many "Democrats bad" statements as you want at me but Trump has doubled the deficit and exploded the debt. Continuing to talk about Democrats at this point shows your hypocrisy, pure and simple.

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You cut the rest of my post to make it look like I'm a hypocrite. As the economy continues to grow and takes in more and more tax revenue as more and more people work and incomes rise, the debt will start to be paid down. 

How many times have we heard this nonsense from how many republican presidents? It has never worked.

Your solution is to explode the debt even more and ruin the economy by throwing out Trump and electing a Democrat president.

This is complete speculation on your part. Given your faith in the failed idea that cutting taxes somehow raises government revenue through more economic activity, we'll take our speculation with a few tons of salt. Har! Tee Tee! Oh my . . .

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How many times have we heard this nonsense from how many republican presidents? It has never worked.

The economists don’t agree with you. Why is it that liberals want to tax everything into the oblivion. Another reason why people are leaving California so fast because the taxes are killing them.....as well as the politics.

You can throw as many "Democrats bad" statements as you want at me but Trump has doubled the deficit and exploded the debt.

True, but also doubled the wealth, increased business in the private sector, got more international businesses to come back and invest, creating a strong private sector, now wonder he’s almost at 50%.

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This is complete speculation on your part. Given your faith in the failed idea that cutting taxes somehow raises government revenue through more economic activity, we'll take our speculation with a few tons of salt. Har! Tee Tee! Oh my...

https://www.wsj.com/articles/trumps-tax-reform-is-helping-most-people-11578691364

Yup, I support this message.

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Democratic presidential contenders fanned out across the United States on Sunday to try to blunt Bernie Sanders' momentum after his dominant victory in Nevada solidified his front-runner status ahead of 15 key nominating contests in the next 10 days.

Sanders, an independent senator from Vermont and self-avowed democratic socialist, rode a wave of support across age, race and ideology to capture 47% of the county convention delegates in Nevada, with 50% of precincts reporting.

What's this? Democrat presidential contenders want to blunt Bernie? Repeatedly? And Bernie isn't even a real Democrat (thanks for loaning me your Democrat Party Ms Pelosi, mam). Looks as if the Democrat's voters are rejecting the Democrat's usual/traditional/party favors suspects, and are opting for the outsider instead. Looks like it's going to be a really lively Democrat convention. I seem to remember that the minimum votes needed would be 1991.

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The economists don’t agree with you.

Yeah, you've gone and put yourself in a corner again by making too broad of a statement. Have a read and then rethink this assertion:

https://www.economicshelp.org/blog/13566/economics/the-effect-of-tax-cuts/

Why is it that liberals want to tax everything into the oblivion.

They don't. This is just something your hyper partisanship won't allow you to accept.

Another reason why people are leaving California so fast because the taxes are killing them.....as well as the politics.

You used to claim this was the only reason, now it is "another" reason. Too bad for you, it is incorrect. People are leaving California because of the cost of living, which is determined by the market economy.

True, but also doubled the wealth,

Nope. Let's have just a measurable amount of accuracy, mmmmkay?

After inflation is taken into account, real wages increased by 0.6% in December 2019, and peaked at 1.9% in February under President Trump, according to official data. 

This is lower than the real wage increases of more than 2% that President Obama oversaw in 2015.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-45827430

increased business in the private sector, got more international businesses to come back and invest, creating a strong private sector, now wonder he’s almost at 50%.

The only way we could know Donny's approval rating is via a poll. You have constantly disparaged any poll that cuts against Donny so why are you now citing polls? It smells like desperation.

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https://www.wsj.com/articles/trumps-tax-reform-is-helping-most-people-11578691364

Yup, I support this message.

Another one of the things you do that I enjoy so much: Citing opinion pieces that are completely irrelevant to the topic at hand! The issue was whether cutting taxes raises government revenue, not whether Donny's tax cuts are helping people according to an opinion letter in the Wall Street Journal.

Sophisticated.

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