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EU rebuffs May; says no-plan Brexiteers deserve 'place in hell'

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I've been wondering what that special place in hell looks like, for those who promoted Brexit

What a stupid, unhelpful and needlessly inflammatory comment.

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May did nothing wrong. EU is also not wrong.

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Well someone needed to have said it. I can't believe no-one had until now, but I suppose the politicians were being polite while there was still a chance of a deal. It makes no difference now we have the very real prospect of a calamitous exit, voted for by the very people it's going to screw over. Christmas and chickens anyone?

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A break up is a break up.

The EU is in stalker mode.

Hey EU, she doesn't like you, leave her alone.

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Well someone needed to have said it

Why? What does it achieve?

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A break up is a break up.

The EU is in stalker mode.

Hey EU, she doesn't like you, leave her alone.

Did you not read the article? It clearly states the EU is sticking to the deadline for the breakup.

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I've been wondering what that special place in hell looks like, for those who promoted Brexit

What a stupid, unhelpful and needlessly inflammatory comment.

Yeah it is, IF you only cherry pick part of the comment;

"I've been wondering what that special place in hell looks like, for those who promoted Brexit, without even a sketch of a plan how to carry it out safely,

However, taken in proper context, it's not far off the mark at all! He has a valid point as the folks who are promoting Brexit are, from my point of view, basing their decisions on emotions and not the reality of how it will affect the rest of Europe and the world.

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Sorry EU, you’v been dumped.

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Well, it could achieve an admittance and realisation on the part of the British public and politicians as to the sheer stupidity and arrogance of those who propounded "leave". As of now there has been no discussion whatsoever of the utter idiocy and irresponsibility of the entire vote itself, and a major re-think needs to be done to get everyone out of this mess. Quite apart from the fact that now that the ship is well and truly sinking it doesn't matter what you say anymore, and you don't need to be polite and work with the idiots who decided to carve a whole in the hull and tell everyone it was for the best.

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I've been wondering what that special place in hell looks like, for those who promoted Brexit 

What a stupid, unhelpful and needlessly inflammatory comment.

Yeah it is, IF you only cherry pick part of the comment; 

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My mistake. Thanks for pointing that out.

The same applies to:

I've been wondering what that special place in hell looks like, for those who promoted Brexit, without even a sketch of a plan how to carry it out safely,

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Good to see someone called Donald telling the truth for a change.

Veteran Brexiteer Nigel Farage

Who hates the EU so much that he still takes his Euro Parliament pension of £73,000 a year. That's about $94,000 or 10m yen. Hypocrisy from Brexiteers, quelle surprise.

What a stupid, unhelpful and needlessly inflammatory comment.

If this is what he says in public, I wonder what he says in private?

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Project Fear reaches it heights! The sooner Britain is out of this totally corrupt eu the better. Roll on March 29th and a no deal Brexit. No 39 billion pounds for those snakes in Brussels.

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Veteran Brexiteer Nigel Farage retorted: "After Brexit we will be free of unelected, arrogant bullies like you - sounds like heaven to me."

Does he know that Britain is ruled by unelected lords?

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Project Fear reaches it heights! The sooner Britain is out of this totally corrupt eu the better. Roll on March 29th and a no deal Brexit. No 39 billion pounds for those snakes in Brussels.

Really? Tell that to all the major corporations that are either moving out of London or plan to do so if it goes through.

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Varadkar said Britain's political instability further proved the need for a "backstop" insurance policy - the main obstacle to a deal - to keep the border between EU member Ireland and British-ruled Northern Ireland open after Brexit.

British-ruled Northern Ireland, aka, the occupied 6 counties. But not for too much longer. Thanks to the arrogant Brexiteers (hell-bound or otherwise), a 32 county nation is within reach, a century after the brutal partition.

Who would have thought, out of such a mess, such an outcome would present itself?

Not only will there be a special place in hell (lol!) for the likes of Rees-Mogg, Farage et al, but those who have stamped down the Irish people for generations will no doubt be warmly received.

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Project Fear reaches it heights! The sooner Britain is out of this totally corrupt eu the better. Roll on March 29th and a no deal Brexit. No 39 billion pounds for those snakes in Brussels.

It's a shame for the ordinary people of the UK who will suffer, of course, but the EU has been a great friend and benefactor to Ireland. And now all the new business coming to the Republic should help stabilise the economy a bit, given all the disruption at the ports and worries over the country's exports.

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@Yubaru

"The folks who are promoting Brexit are, from my point of view, basing their decisions on emotions and not the reality of how it will affect the rest of Europe and the world."

This is absolutely true. Farage and his supporters have the fantasy that, despite all the social, technological and cultural changes taking place in the world, Britain can return to an era of "Britannia Rules the Waves" and do it all by themselves.

The stupidity of this position is easily identified by seeing what the Brexiteers have to say about the EU-Japan Free Trade Agreement, which the UK will get to benefit from for all of 59 days before getting booted from the deal and having to sit down and sort out a bilateral agreement.

They say that the UK will be able to negotiate a "better deal" (where else have we heard misplaced confidence like that...?)

But really, given all we know about general human behavior, the balance of power, negotiating tactics and Japanese diplomatic tactics specifically, why on earth would we think that the UK, on its own as a single nation, can get a better deal for itself that one fought for over a decade by a trading bloc representing 27 nations.

Japan would be mad to give away more concessions, when negotiating with a single party that could be bypassed altogether, than when negotiating with a huge group it has no choice but to deal with..

As a position, "we will get a better deal with Japan than the EU did" clearly and obviously makes no sense, unless you think that British people have a special entitlement to get what they want and everyone will bow down to the "great British" and treat them differently (read better) than everyone else.

This position, and all the other rose-tinted predictions for what will happen when the UK is shot of Europe, are clearly based on idiotic premises. You can only believe them if you think British people have some sort of innate superiority that will see them come out on top whatever choices they decide to make.

Of course, you may want to argue that a lack of domestic protectionism, a globalized economy and free trade is in itself a bad idea, but that is not what the Brexiteers are arguing (and its a bit too late to put that genie back in the bottle anyway).

They (particularly people like Trade Secretary Liam Fox) seem to be arguing that free trade is great and the UK will do it better. I just don't see it.

Britain is about to become the first country in history to vote to downgrade itself.

Given his desire to "save" Britain from all the brown-skinned immigrants "ruining" the place, it is quite ironic that Farrage will be remembered by history as a man who helped to destroy the UK.

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"After Brexit we will be free of unelected, arrogant bullies like you - sounds like heaven to me."

Other countries elect representatives for the European Parliament.

The UK is just archaic with the House or Lords which hereditary for example.

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If you want more hypocrisy-

Oh, Nigel's full of it. He chases the spotlight and hoovers up a ridiculous amount of airtime for a man with no support from the people. If you've ever listened to his show on LBC, it's a complete ego-fest. That said, his old party, UKIP has gone beyond parody now and is a dangerous (albeit fringe) group under the stewardship of one of his (many) successors, Gerard Batten.

The architects of Brexit stirred up the country on a platform of jingoism, nostalgia for a Britain that never was, all the time with an undercurrent of racism. And now, the tragedy unfolds.

Still, it's hilarious to see right-wing British get all offended by the EU for telling it like it is. They have condemned their country to job losses, economic downturn and a reduction on the world stage. And it's all their fault, not that of the EU.

The Irish don't do schadenfreude but one can imagine that (some) Irish eyes are smiling today...

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EU has finally shown it's colors as a socialistic dictatorially centralized union, led by those who control wealth (money-banking-currency-economies) and very doubtful moral-ethical values as to humanity and human relationships. If it is a democratic system, then they have gone either into dictatorship of the majority (if that was even discussed and voted for by all the members) or the dictatorship by those who control wealth (the minority) that dominate the members.

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EU has finally shown it's colors as a socialistic dictatorially centralized union, led by those who control wealth (money-banking-currency-economies) and very doubtful moral-ethical values as to humanity and human relationships. If it is a democratic system, then they have gone either into dictatorship of the majority (if that was even discussed and voted for by all the members) or the dictatorship by those who control wealth (the minority) that dominate the members.

So you'd agree that the time has come for the people of the occupied 6 counties to have their say and leave the UK, then?

Seeing as you're in favor of the will of the people.

Good.

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That escalated quickly!

Although I get that Tusk & co are frustrated with brexiteers' (in my case, unexpectedly) high level of incompetence & amateurism, I think this was totally uncalled for and counter-productive.

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Unfortunately, many posters here with opinions on Brexit have never lived in the UK to understand just why the UK populace opted out of the EU and most never will.....

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About time someone finds clear and precise words!

They asked for it, they wanted it, so get out!

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Unfortunately, many posters here with opinions on Brexit have never lived in the UK to understand just why the UK populace opted out of the EU and most never will.....

I did. For many years.

And whatsmore, the vote was split. Almost half the electorate voted to remain.

And 56% the people of the occupied 6 counties voted in favor of remaining.

And now they will be denied representation in the EU parliament.

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@toasted

I think it's time you gave "The 6 counties" a rest. You are not from Northern Ireland. Regardless of how much people "will" it to happen, Northern Ireland will not leave the UK unless a majority vote for it

According to current polling:

Does N. Ireland want to leave the UK to join R.O.I? No.

Do a majority of people in N. Ireland want to hold a referendum on this issue? No. Not even close.

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@Toasted Heretic

The ‘people’ of Northern Ireland,after a short hiatus,may look south and see that the grass is actually greener on the other side and decide to join the Republic..

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EU rebuffs May; says all Brexiteers deserve 'place in hell'

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No deal coming.  Batten down the hatches.  But things will be alright in the end.  Meanwhile EU has plenty problems other than Brexit.  Italy.  Greece (again), German economy slowing down.  Macron is an idiot.

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Regardless of how much people "will" it to happen, Northern Ireland will not leave the UK unless a majority vote for it

Can you provide a link to polls to back up your claims about what the Northern Irish want?

I've quoted two below, both from Irish sources, one from Belfast, which support what Heretic is saying re a post-Brexit Ulster. A Google search reveals numerous other sources reporting that the Brexit vote has resulted in an increase in support for a united Ireland, to the extent that there is now a (narrow) majority in favour of it.

https://www.thejournal.ie/poll-reveals-62-of-people-in-northern-ireland-believe-a-united-ireland-more-likely-post-brexit-4336030-Nov2018/

https://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/northern-ireland/poll-northern-ireland-voters-will-back-united-ireland-after-brexit-37275256.html

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May was saying for months that her deal was the best and only deal on offer. If that's the case she should put it to a vote once again and if it fails to pass she should rescind article 50, and resign. She can blame parliament for refusing to enact "the will of the people".

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Blunder Tusk, certainly has a unique gift for dim-witted absurdity.

Tusks recent tweet waving a tiered cake server at Theresa May with the message “A cake perhaps? Sorry no cherries” is another example of Tusks cloddish idiocy.

More importantly reports indicate that Theresa May is considering delayed the final Brexit vote until the last week of February. I certainly would not bet against an extension to/of Article 50.

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@BigYen

Here is a comprehensive article from the Irish Times regarding all of the polling for a United Ireland:

However, all polls still show a border poll producing a majority in favour of the North remaining in the UK

https://www.irishtimes.com/opinion/polls-suggest-gradual-shift-to-united-ireland-1.3645214

Also, it is worth looking at the long-term trends. Here is the Wikipedia page with all of the polling data. Please note the "Northern Ireland Life and Times Survey" section. This poll has been conducted every year since at least 1998.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Ireland#Assorted_opinion_polls

The last "Life and Times Survey" put support for rejoining the union at 22%. 55% support remaining in the UK.

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-northern-ireland-44468686

I had to laugh when I saw the "OFOC" poll. They are an extreme remain organization funded by the EU. Their one-off poll put 52% "Yes" for Irish Unification.

Finally, this a fresh article explaining why the NI Secretary is skeptical about holding an Irish Unity vote.

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-northern-ireland-47143679

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Judging from the votes, very anti-Brexit (presumably local) crowd here! Very different from those who live in the EU, who are very divided, and not just in the UK, for example polls in Italy have indicated that less than half of people would vote to stay if asked. I guess you're just smarter right? That's always been the least helpful part of this debate: calling those who voted to leave stupid.

Seems to me there are wider implications for this kind of thinking and Tusk's comments. If, after clear instruction from the British public to leave, two years of working towards it results in an extension of Article 50 or a Brexit In Name Only, the message seems clear: you CAN'T leave. Somewhere in between a 1975 referendum to stay in the common market and now we've become irrevocably intertwined and permanently sacrificed sovereignty. If so, massive implications for democracy and what it means, on who's watch did it happen? why were the public not consulted or even made aware of it? and are EU member states now effectively hostages? A no-deal Brexit should be preferable to facing these questions.

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I guess the hundreds of billions of dollars and millions of British lives spent creating, protecting and helping to liberate Tusk's Poland and Juncker's Luxembourg (twice) doesn't really count for anything in Europe. Such a sad mess.

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A special place in hell is still going to be better than a crappy place in the EU membership list!

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As I said before, you made your bed, Britons. You voted for this stupid woman, and you voted for Brexit. Now you're getting exactly what you wanted. I Don't understand why they believed they would be able to keep all they have now without being a part of the EU anymore. I really Don't. I know a lot of people didn't think about it at all beyond the racist cries for a "stronger Britain" with Trump-like rhetoric for keeping others out, but now they are going to get a weak Britain pummeled by all the other nations of Europe. Well done!

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Toasted Heretic, 1.7 million more people voted to leave than those who voted to remain. Hardly a small number.

I voted to leave - I've watched my country and my own family, suffer as rights were denied to British people, jobs lost, benefits gone, NHS destroyed, because of the EU's effects on our great culture and way of life.

Deal or no deal, it's good bloody riddance!

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Switzerland has no border checks with the EU and it is NOT a EU member.

So why have a border between Northern ireland and the Republic of southern irelend ?

Such border checks will hurt the Republic more than the UK.

If the EU can not stop the UK from leaving, other countries who are thinking of leaving may follow.

So the EU is trying to make it as hard as possible for the UK with demands that they know will not pass in Parliament .

How many other EU countries are thinking of leaving ?

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@smithinjapan

I've noticed you always say "Britons". Is there any particular reason why? British people don't usually use the word.

You voted for this stupid woman

No. In the UK, people vote for a party not PM. The vast majority of people don't want her to be PM (Including Tories).

you voted for Brexit

Yes.

Now you're getting exactly what you wanted

No we aren't. We are getting May's version of Brexit which just so happens to be "Remain-even-harder-than-EU-Membership."

racist cries for a "stronger Britain"

Sigh. Really? I mean, really?

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I guess the hundreds of billions of dollars and millions of British lives spent creating, protecting and helping to liberate Tusk's Poland and Juncker's Luxembourg (twice) doesn't really count for anything

You're right. The Brexiteers don't seem to give a damn.

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Solution: reunite Ireland. Tax England. Give immigrants boats. Confiscate English holiday homes in the warm Mediterranean coast. OR...give up this crap and live in peace.

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Play stupid games, win stupid prizes.

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I voted to leave - I've watched my country and my own family, suffer as rights were denied to British people, jobs lost, benefits gone, NHS destroyed, because of the EU's effects on our great culture and way of life.

You are sounding like a socialist.

I think 3 of the things you are blaming the EU for started in the Thatcher years. I’ve got my gripes with the EU but the things you are complaining about were self-inflicted.

Remember 3 million on the dole?

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Federalism is at the heart European Integration, the union, council and institutions, supranational in nature with little or no political mandate. That is not remotely politically, or culturally in UK interests.

There will undoubtedly be economic consequences. However to remain in such a union could have far reaching disastrous political ramifications for UK parliamentary lead democracy.

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@Belrick

rights were denied to British people

What rights were denied to British people because of the EU?

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AzzprinToday  12:49 pm JST

Switzerland has no border checks with the EU and it is NOT a EU member.

So why have a border between Northern ireland and the Republic of southern irelend ?

UK is not part of Schengen area, Switzerland is.

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@Tangerine2000

Thanks for those sources, very informative. I just want to make clear that my original post was an inquiry only, based on what I found doing a search on the subject, and not an opinion on whether Ulster should remain within the UK. I left the UK a long time ago and it's not my place as a non-resident to offer an opinion on that one way or another, although as far as the Brexit vote is concerned if I were still living in the not-so-UK I would certainly have voted Remain.

But - as I've said here before - I believe the majority will has to be accepted. Even if you don't like what the majority is saying.

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@toasted

I think it's time you gave "The 6 counties" a rest. You are not from Northern Ireland.

With respect, until the Moderator says otherwise, I will continue to bring attention to this grave situation that affects the island of Ireland - North and South. It is entirely relevant to the topic which is not just the sole concern of British people. And how do you know where I'm from - I've never revealed anything of the sort.

Regardless of how much people "will" it to happen, Northern Ireland will not leave the UK unless a majority vote for it

According to current polling:

Does N. Ireland want to leave the UK to join R.O.I? No.

Do a majority of people in N. Ireland want to hold a referendum on this issue? No. Not even close.

I suggest you read Rita O' Hare's latest piece in An Phoblacht:

The writing is on the wall. In Summer 2018 former DUP leader Peter Robinson... argued that Unionists should prepare for a United Ireland... he predicted that the wider Unionist community would accept it, and look to the protections that the Good Friday Agreement guarantees to all.

She adds that :

Measured by nothing other than its proponents intention - the creation of a Protestant state for a Protestant people - partition is a manifest failure.

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Brexiteers deserve 'place in hell'

We're already there. It's called the EU. A dictatorial oligarchy that ignores the voices of the people, forces regulations upon them without even asking if they'd like to vote on regulations that impact them, and who throws around childish insults at anyone who dares to try to leave while simultaneously working hard to sabotage those seeking freedom. That sounds pretty close to Hell to me. It also emphasises why I was right to vote Leave. The EU are throwing an even bigger tantrum than Trump did when his Wall got blocked.

Veteran Brexiteer Nigel Farage retorted: "After Brexit we will be free of unelected, arrogant bullies like you - sounds like heaven to me."

"Heaven" might be stretching it a bit, but certainly it's preferable to being stuck under the thumb of said bullies. The same bullies who told us that we weren't allowed to start trying to strike up new trade deals until March 29th, while at the same time doing just that themselves in order to further weaken our position and try to force us to remain. I've seen tyrants employ some underhanded tactics in my time, and this is quite high up on the scale of being despicable. Not quite as high as voter suppression, vote rigging and other violations of Human rights, but still pretty high up. The EU has been showing the world its true colours ever since the referendum results were announced, and yet strangely, people still seem to sympathise with the EU. It boggles the mind.

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I voted to leave - I've watched my country and my own family, suffer as rights were denied to British people, jobs lost, benefits gone, NHS destroyed, because of the EU's effects on our great culture and way of life.

Job losses, austerity, interference with the NHS and all you mention is down to successive crap governments under the tories and Labour. The EU benefited you in trade, job creation, rights for the workers, reasearch funding (largest recipient in Europe) and much more.

How were your rights denied? Or is that just something Yaxley-Lennon said, without any basis in reality?

If you want to know about suffering, talk to the people of the occupied 6 counties who suffered generations of discrimination and brutality under the nightmare of partition.

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and who throws around childish insults at anyone who dares to try to leave while simultaneously working hard to sabotage those seeking freedom.

You've not been paying attention to Jacob Rees-Mogg or Boris Johnson's comments over the last couple of years, have you?

Childish doesn't begin to describe their commentary. Embryoish might be a better moniker for it.

I've seen tyrants employ some underhanded tactics in my time, and this is quite high up on the scale of being despicable.

The DUP holding the people of NI (and the UK) to ransom is underhanded, I'd say. 50 years on from the Civil Rights movement in the 6 counties seems to have taught them nothing. The British govt failing to enact a Bill of Rights for the North of Ireland as provided by the GFA is another. Failing to honor their promise in the same agreement to promote the Irish Language Act is another, and a direct cause of Stormont's current non-status.

Very underhand indeed.

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I've been wondering what that special place in hell looks like, for those who promoted Brexit

What a stupid, unhelpful and needlessly inflammatory comment.

Agree with Jimizo.

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Judging from the votes, very anti-Brexit (presumably local) crowd here! Very different from those who live in the EU, who are very divided, and not just in the UK.

Agree, but they're divided about 'going solo or not', not about 'this' badly planned brexit; Italian, French, Swedes, Dutch, German etc would-be It/Ger/Neth/Frexiters as well as brexiters themselves quasi-unanimously think that 'this' brexit isn't what they want/wanted, that it was poorly planned/executed/negotiated by a bunch of amateurs.

Many have now realised that the 'let's take back control' mantra was a lie, same with 'reclaiming our sovereignty'. What does that even mean? Reclaiming sovereignty from Brussels? Or from the many immigrants who've moved to the uk (& most euro countries) in the last 50 years, or both? Does it mean more/less capitalism, more support/money for 'ordinary' ppl or a us-style 'free entreprise' system? Brexit/leaving the EU means different things for different ppl and no one, in the uk or elsewhere (all fka eurosceptics), has offered a decent/workable alternative yet.

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1.7 million more people voted to leave than those who voted to remain. Hardly a small number.

4% of the vote. Hardly a gigantic mandate.

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I've been wondering what that special place in hell looks like, for those who promoted Brexit

If this is what Tusk said than a lot of the reporting is quite inaccurate.

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@BigYen

It's no problem at all. And you were right - I should have posted links to polls in my original post!

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Prime minister May is a very intelligent person. She tried to help British stands on their own 2 feet. Look at smaller countries in the E.U, these countries cannot do anything for themselves. In politics , look at Japan for example, everything is imported and what is left of the good things ???. Think British people, help yrself stands on yr own 2 feet.

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The EU is in stalker mode.

hows that!? its the UK that keeps coming back even while the EU says its final. seems like the UK is the stalker

How many other EU countries are thinking of leaving ?

why would they want too, the EU has made it perfectly clear that they'll make staying in the EU more advantageous that leaving, its just the UK seems to want their cake and it it also, EU member countries will never allow the UK to keep the advantages of staying in the EU while throwing out the requirement they don't like, and rightly so. hard Brexit here we come, 800 billion pounds in capital flow out of the UK into the EU and rising.

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A special place in hell is still going to be better than a crappy place in the EU membership list!

trying stating that again in a couple years when all those UK jobs are reloacted to the EU.

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Holding a referendum advocating withdrawal from the European Union?

I doubt any of the twenty seven remaining member states would even contemplate such a proposal.

But withdrawal from the Eurozone, I am not so sure.

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Think British people, help yrself stands on yr own 2 feet.

Agreed. But oddly enough, nobody seems to be in favor of extending the same courtesy and good wishes to the people of Ireland who are also affected by Brexit.

Look at smaller countries in the E.U, these countries cannot do anything for themselves.

I think the days of the British dictating to Irish people are over. No more give it a rest/shut up/do what you're told etc.

Fair enough?

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Look at smaller countries in the E.U, these countries cannot do anything for themselves.

What is it they can't do? I don't get the feeling that Danish, Dutch and Belgian people are suffering from tyranny or lacking freedom. OK, so they are perhaps unable to invade or bomb neighboring countries these days. Was that what you were meaning?

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Bullying with strength is most common any where in the world.

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Below are the Irish Government revenue customs detailed Brexit research reports.....published 1st Aug 2018.

Please pay particular attention to

Ireland-uk-tax-and-customs-links pdf

brexit-and-the-consequences-for-irish-customs pdf

https://www.revenue.ie/en/corporate/information-about-revenue/research/research-reports/brexit.aspx

Sooner rather than later both the British and Irish governments will need to consider bi-lateral talks. Presumably before 29th March

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Bullying with strength is most common any where in the world.

And how does this answer my question to you in relation to 800 years of bullying and oppression of the island of Ireland?

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@vinarius@pm.catv.ne.jp

Do you wish only for the UK to stand up for itself & does Ireland have to remain the lesser, the ignored?

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Over are times when UK could blackmail EU. Enough of special treatment. UK is not "more equal" than the rest.

Therefore, I wish UK gets out. Let them then join back... without any of the concessions.

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1.7 million more people voted to leave than those who voted to remain. Hardly a small number.

4% of the vote. Hardly a gigantic mandate.

True, it was close. But if to remain was such a great idea, how come they didn't get a majority of the votes?

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I7m irish.What Tusk said was so wrong as a diplomat.Just getting the tory/we are britain backs up.

Time for the brits to wise up.This is a mess you made it because you didnt have a clue wht you were going to do.I lived in Northern Ireland at that time.It was a nightmare.Now isso much better.Dont use the backstop as your excuse for having no ideas

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A bit outside of the topic, but this Brexit referendum shows very well the risks of direct democracy. I am not an expert of UK but I somewhat understand the 4 entities of the UK have different perspectives, challenges and needs. To acknowledge it the referendum should have been made with double majority win, i.e. people plus 3 UK entities.

In such a case the latest Brexit referendum would have been rejected but a real debate would have been engaged for a later - and informed - decision.

Direct democracy taken as a poker game is not democracy but populism.

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UK will head to a no deal, simply because they cant really make their mind up... it's not just British Politicians, but Globally. Political matters appear to have become of late, rather bipolar globally, not just in the UK but in the US and elsewhere... there's rarely a middle ground, and this doesn't really bode well for the future ... especially if nothing gets done, and in the UKs case, exits hard by default.... maybe that was the original plan ?

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Tusk is right. Brexiteers are taking it as a personal insult when in fact Tusk was pointing the finger at those who PROMOTED Brexit and then ran away - Cameron, Gove, Johnson, Davis, Farage et al. Utter scumbags.

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Therefore, I wish UK gets out.

Europeans weren’t particularly happy when we joined, they weren’t especially pleased when we were in it, now they seem annoyed that we are leaving. Tough crowd.

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Will I get more bang for my buck before or after a hard Brexit? That's what I want to know. And will this stop any sort of Spice Girls reunion? I hope it does.

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I've noticed you always say "Britons". Is there any particular reason why? British people don't usually use the word.

Yes, we do. Stop pretending you are an authority on the UK and the British people.

I noticed foreigners prefer 'Brits', often used in a pejorative manner.

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Other countries elect representatives for the European Parliament.

The UK is just archaic with the House or Lords which hereditary for example.

All member states, currently including the UK, elects Members of the European Parliament.

The Lords are not hereditary, Blair changed that.

Stop making things up, it's poor trolling.

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Time for the brits to wise up.This is a mess you made it because you didnt have a clue wht you were going to do.I lived in Northern Ireland at that time.It was a nightmare.Now isso much better.Dont use the backstop as your excuse for having no ideas

Sorry, buchailldana but it seems that the British have learned zilch from the dark years of the armed struggle. Or at least, the cheerleaders and apologists for loyalism and partition. Did you see Bertie on the BBC this morning? I'm no fan of FF but he was spot-on. There is a significant risk of violence, once again.

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@Luddite

Yes, we do. Stop pretending you are an authority on the UK and the British people.

I am from the UK, Luddite.

I am sorry to disagree with you, but British people really don't often use the word "Briton" very often when talking about themselves. They are far more likely to say "British people" or "Brits". In fact, even in your own comment you chose the expression "British people". Some might try to use the word "Brits" in a pejorative manner, but the word itself has no negative meaning at all.

The only time we really ever use the term "Britons" is when singing "Rule Britannia", but as you know, that's not something we do even on a remote basis.

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Some might try to use the word "Brits" in a pejorative manner, but the word itself has no negative meaning at all.

It does in Ireland. As in the rather simplistic "Brits out". There's also another negative term "west-Brit" which is applied to certain sections of the media and denizens of D4. I've never used either, myself but expect to hear it a lot more often from more fervent advocates of Irish nationalism.

I tend to stick with the far more effective tiocfaidh ar la.

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Back on topic please.

President of the European Council Donald Tusk is a living breathing example of an appointee (The Eurocrat) without any noticeable democratic political accountability.

Donald Tusk suggestions attempt to legitimise a cynical and crass disrespect for elected government mandate.

As EU federalisation continues unabated the ability for national governments to legislate will wither away without the consent of the people.

"Leaving the EU is a democratic and not a nationalist argument”........Tony Benn

Benn was clear in his 80's diaries, “Britain is now, in law and in practice, a colony of this embryonic west European federal state”

Tusk tells May that Corbyn’s plan could break Brexit deadlock......

https://www.politico.eu/article/donald-tusk-tells-theresa-may-that-jeremy-corbyns-plan-could-break-brexit-withdrawal-plan-deadlock/

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Toasted HereticFeb. 7 09:46 am JSTUnfortunately, many posters here with opinions on Brexit have never lived in the UK to understand just why the UK populace opted out of the EU and most never will.....

I did. For many years.

And whatsmore, the vote was split. Almost half the electorate voted to remain.

And 56% the people of the occupied 6 counties voted in favor of remaining.

And now they will be denied representation in the EU parliament.

> Toasted HereticFeb. 7 06:08 pm JSTThink British people, help yrself stands on yr own 2 feet.

Agreed. But oddly enough, nobody seems to be in favor of extending the same courtesy and good wishes to the people of Ireland who are also affected by Brexit.

It's time for the 6 counties to exit, those people there are not really treated as equal Britons.

Give Ireland Back To the Irish.

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