world

Macron to Muslims: I hear your anger, but won't accept violence

27 Comments
By Sarah White and Michel Rose

The requested article has expired, and is no longer available. Any related articles, and user comments are shown below.

© Thomson Reuters 2020.

©2021 GPlusMedia Inc.

27 Comments
Login to comment

There is no excuse for violence.

3 ( +5 / -2 )

This is from a guy who launched cruise missiles on civilian Syrians based on Western govt-funded support for Terrorist Al Nusra and Al-Quida under the guise of fake White Helmet justification.

-5 ( +1 / -6 )

Macron and his failed nation state civic nationalism has nothing to fight this with, nothing. Liberalism is hoist by its own petard.

-5 ( +1 / -6 )

Nobody can 'hear' others' anger adequately or appropriately. They need to feel (apart from seeing the raging behavior) the burning anger of those in fury.

Of course, Macron does not want violence to damage France. Nonetheless, for those whose voices are never heard, they do not know what else to do.

Nobody wants to condone irrational recklessness, let alone wild killing of innocent. There must be a better way out. Any idea?

-4 ( +1 / -5 )

Macron needs to do something about radical Islam or we're going to end up with the nutters in power like in the US. And we've all seen the "success" over there.

2 ( +4 / -2 )

The cartoons and suchlike are insensitive, sure - but if one's faith is strong, surely it should be able to overcome some unfunny caricatures?

Liberalism is hoist by its own petard.

Ironic, that. Have you seen your violent avatar?

2 ( +5 / -3 )

Macron needs to do something about radical Islam or we're going to end up with the nutters in power like in the US. 

It’s a very good point. If moderates like Macron doesn’t do something about this, you can end up with the electorate turning to leaders and policies as intolerant, narrow-minded and exclusionary as you find in the Muslim world.

Europe needs to be a place where tolerant people should be allowed in to escape intolerance.

3 ( +5 / -2 )

So they speak of tolerance but have none, they speak of inclusion but they offer none, they offer violence and demand acceptance !

Europe is long gone and everyone knows it, let it be an example to the rest of the world that this ideology does not integrate and does not play well with others.

-3 ( +2 / -5 )

 this ideology does not integrate and does not play well with others.

Never mind that it is a small percentage of people who practice Islam that commit acts of violence. The including that in discourse requires nuance, which is alien to conservatives.

1 ( +3 / -2 )

Madverts

Macron needs to do something about radical Islam or we're going to end up with the nutters in power like in the US. And we've all seen the "success" over there.

Err, what? Seems to me the nutters are in power in France, Germany, and Sweden, and not in the US.

-3 ( +2 / -5 )

There are millions of Jihadists willing to kill and die, God willing. Even young children are trained. It's an honor for them to kill and die. How do we deal with that?

0 ( +2 / -2 )

P. Smith

 this ideology does not integrate and does not play well with others.

Never mind that it is a small percentage of people who practice Islam that commit acts of violence. The including that in discourse requires nuance, which is alien to conservatives.

Read again. The quote was about "ideology" and not "percentage of people". The majority of CCP, Boshevik, or Nazi party members were not radical Gulag guards either but rather only followers. The "majority" excuse does not hold.

-2 ( +2 / -4 )

Read again. The quote was about "ideology" and not "percentage of people". The majority of CCP, Boshevik, or Nazi party members were not radical Gulag guards either but rather only followers. The "majority" excuse does not hold.

So, an ideology is capable of integrating and playing well with others? Sure, that makes complete sense.

The fact that a majority of those who follow the ideology of Islam aren’t violent or intolerant is not an excuse; it’s a fact. I know you rightists are allergic to facts, but they still exist.

1 ( +4 / -3 )

There are millions of Jihadists willing to kill and die, God willing. Even young children are trained. It's an honor for them to kill and die. How do we deal with that?

Remove the motivation that causes them to be willing to kill and die.

2 ( +4 / -2 )

There are millions of Jihadists willing to kill and die, God willing. Even young children are trained. It's an honor for them to kill and die. How do we deal with that?

Remove the motivation that causes them to be willing to kill and die.

You mean remove freedom of speech and expression when it comes to Islam?

It isn’t just cartoons. It can be novels, films, scholarly articles about the authenticity of the Koran, opinions about Mohammed and others which can result in murder and mayhem. Theo Van Gogh was butchered for a film, Salman Rushdie escaped execution but a translator of his novel didn’t, Ayaan Hirsi Ali lived in bazooka-proof accommodation for her apostasy and criticism of the faith in the Netherlands etc.

Just say nice things about this particular faith which does seem to result in a lot of the things liberal people like myself are against?

2 ( +2 / -0 )

P. Smith

So, an ideology is capable of integrating and playing well with others? Sure, that makes complete sense.

There are ideologies that can, and there are ideologies that can not. That is fact.

The fact that a majority of those who follow the ideology of Islam aren’t violent or intolerant is not an excuse; it’s a fact. I know you rightists are allergic to facts, but they still exist.

As I pointed out, it is an excuse. Because the majority members of any ideology are passive; it is always the activist believers we have to worry about. So excusing a virulent ideology by saying they are not the majority is a cop-out.

-4 ( +1 / -5 )

You mean remove freedom of speech and expression when it comes to Islam?

No. I mean remove the causes that create poverty in the countries I’m which radical Islam is espoused. People living in poverty are prime targets for radicalization.

The intolerance is a byproduct of the radicalism.

Personally, I think it is the responsibility of the media in every country that values freedom if the press and religious freedom to reprint the caricature.

2 ( +4 / -2 )

Jimizo

It isn’t just cartoons. It can be novels, films, scholarly articles about the authenticity of the Koran, opinions about Mohammed and others which can result in murder and mayhem.

Actually, the cartoons themselves are really "opinions". There are no photographs of Mohammed, it is only the believers that somehow recognize him in some illustrations. So if I draw a stick figure and call it Jesus, no problem. If I change title and call it Mohammed, I get threats of beheading. For the same stick figure.

So the cartoon issue are really about speech.

-4 ( +1 / -5 )

There are ideologies that can, and there are ideologies that can not. That is fact.

Ideologies, like firearms, cannot act without human intervention.

As I pointed out, it is an excuse. Because the majority members of any ideology are passive; it is always the activist believers we have to worry about. So excusing a virulent ideology by saying they are not the majority is a cop-out.

The ideology itself is no virulent. It has been made so by a tiny minority of practitioners.

2 ( +4 / -2 )

P. Smith

Ideologies, like firearms, cannot act without human intervention.

What is "intervention" supposed to mean? Ideologies are belief systems and determine human behaviour.

The ideology itself is no virulent. It has been made so by a tiny minority of practitioners.

The same applies to Communism and Nazism. Do you make the same argument for those?

-4 ( +1 / -5 )

P. Smith

No. I mean remove the causes that create poverty in the countries I’m which radical Islam is espoused. People living in poverty are prime targets for radicalization.

Poverty? Like in Saudi-Arabia, home of Osama Bin Ladin, most of the 9-11 pilots, and a large part of ISIS?

-2 ( +1 / -3 )

Muslim's, Christian's and Jews have been killing each other for thousands of years. There are rich muslim countries like all those in the Middle East which have great wealth but extremism survives in them. Sunni muslim killing Shia muslim.

It's very difficult to try and educate one billion people away from their basic beliefs in Quran just as it is with the Jews and Christians with their beliefs.

0 ( +1 / -1 )

zichi

It's very difficult to try and educate one billion people away from their basic beliefs in Quran just as it is with the Jews and Christians with their beliefs.

.,,,alas this is the false equivalency that is so typical in the West. Among the 3 belief systems you mention, there is only one that has the concept of Jihad and of Dar-al-Salam (i.e. the final goal of submitting the whole world under Sharia). The two others have accepted the separation of religion and state.

-3 ( +0 / -3 )

.,,,alas this is the false equivalency that is so typical in the West.

You have overlooked the Iraq and Afghan wars and the bombings of Libya. The Israeli attacks against the Palestinians and their continued oppression.

On the America dollar it says "In God We Trust!" America accepting Saudi because of oil and their mass buying of American weapons. Ignoring that the 9/11 terrorists came from there.

Who sells the weapons to the muslims.

1 ( +1 / -0 )

It's a good thing that people draw the pictures of mohammad, as these drawings are absolutely imperative to maintaining all life on this planet, for if someone decided not to draw one of these images, a portal would open up to hell, demons would spill out, and literally kill all life on this planet, including the Muslims.

So of course we MUST draw these pictures, and we MUST keep on offending Muslims. The alternative is obliteration of humanity.

-1 ( +0 / -1 )

Europe is long gone and everyone knows it

That's odd. It was still there, the last time I went home. Has anyone checked behind the sofa?

let it be an example to the rest of the world that this ideology does not integrate and does not play well with others.

I agree, the ideology that Europeans don't integrate is a non-starter. But maybe your Muslim friends/colleagues/neighbors disagree?

0 ( +1 / -1 )

There were Jihadist attacks prior to the cartoons.

0 ( +0 / -0 )

Login to leave a comment

Facebook users

Use your Facebook account to login or register with JapanToday. By doing so, you will also receive an email inviting you to receive our news alerts.

Facebook Connect

Login with your JapanToday account

User registration

Articles, Offers & Useful Resources

A mix of what's trending on our other sites