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Trump blocks release of Russia memo drafted by Democrats

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President Donald Trump on Friday blocked the release of a classified memo written by congressional Democrats to rebut a Republican document that he allowed to be made public last week that claimed FBI and Justice Department bias against him in the federal probe of Russia and the 2016 U.S. election.

The Republican president's decision -- the latest controversy relating to an investigation that has hung over his year in office -- infuriated Democrats. Senate Democratic leader Chuck Schumer said, "Millions of Americans are asking one simple question: what is he hiding?"

White House Counsel Don McGahn said the Justice Department had identified portions of the 10-page memo written by Democratic members of the House Intelligence Committee that"would create especially significant concerns for the national security and law enforcement interests" of the country.

The White House also released a letter from the FBI director and the department's No. 2 official voicing concern about its release in relation to protecting U.S. intelligence sources and methods.

A week earlier, Trump had overruled similar objections from the Federal Bureau of Investigation and Justice Department about releasing the memo written by the same committee's Republican members that took aim at senior law enforcement officials.

"The president's double standard when it comes to transparency is appalling, Schumer said.

Trump on Feb. 2 allowed the release of the memo written by the committee's Republicans with no redactions. Democrats said the Republican memo mischaracterized highly sensitive classified information and was intended to discredit Special Counsel Robert Mueller's investigation of potential collusion between Trump's 2016 campaign and Russia.

Mueller is also investigating whether Trump has committed obstruction of justice in trying to impede the Russia probe.

McGahn said the president would be willing to reconsider the release of the memo if the committee decides to revise it "to mitigate the risks" identified by the Justice Department.

The committee's top Democrat, Adam Schiff, said the memo Trump blocked puts forth facts that the public needs to know, including that the FBI acted properly in seeking permission from a special court for surveillance of Carter Page, a Trump campaign adviser with ties to Russia.

Schiff said the committee's Democrats "take seriously" the Justice Department and FBI concerns and will review their recommended redactions. He said he hopes the matter can be resolved quickly so the committee can return to the Russia investigation.

The Intelligence Committee voted unanimously on Monday to release the document drafted by the panel's Democrats, contingent on the Republican president agreeing to reclassify it.

"Although the President is inclined to declassify the Feb. 5 Memorandum, because the memorandum contains numerous properly classified and especially sensitive passages, he is unable to do so at this time," McGahn said in a letter to Devin Nunes, the Republican chairman of the House panel.

The White House also released a letter sent to McGahn by FBI Director Christopher Wray and to Rod Rosenstein, the No. 2 Justice Department official, expressing concerns about the memo's release "in light of longstanding principles regarding the protection of intelligence sources and methods, ongoing investigations, and other similar sensitive information."

Democratic Representative Ted Lieu wrote on Twitter that Trump's action was outrageous, adding that he read the memo and is convinced that Trump "is now intentionally hiding relevant information from the American people in order to mislead the public. An innocent person would not block the memo."

The Republican memo portrayed the Russia investigation as a product of political bias at the FBI and Justice Department against Trump. The president said the document "totally vindicates" him in the Russia investigation, a claim disputed by Democrats and some Republicans.

Democrats last week warned Trump against using the Republican memo as a pretext to fire Rosenstein, who hired Mueller and oversees the investigation, or to remove Mueller himself. The Republican memo singled out Rosenstein and several other officials by name, including former FBI Director James Comey, who Trump fired in May 2017, as the agency investigated the Russia matter.

Mueller took over the investigation from the FBI.

U.S. intelligence agencies have concluded that Russia interfered in the 2016 presidential campaign using hacking and propaganda, an effort that eventually included attempting to tilt the race in Trump's favor. Russia denies interfering in the election. Trump denies collusion with Moscow.

The Republican document asserted that a dossier of alleged Trump-Russia contacts compiled by former British spy Christopher Steele, and funded in part by U.S. Democrats, formed an"essential part" of requests to a special court to be allowed to conduct electronic surveillance on Page, an oil industry consultant with numerous contacts in Russia, that began in October 2016.

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Haha BIG surprise,....NOT!!

trump is so two faced its beyond pathetic, he doesn't give a DAMN about his country, certainly NOT about national security.

The sick sick joke continues unabated!!

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Playing with his hand.

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"Quick Mike! Make a scene in Korea!"

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What an absolute farce!

How can any support this type of behavior??

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Time someone said, failed to meet the Criteria YOUR FIRED.

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What's Trump afraid of? What's he trying to keep hidden?

I’m going to assume the majority of Americans, those who favor their country’s traditional, Constitutionally based systems, especially the Constitutionally based separation and balance of powers, will start to worry even more that Trump is once again trying to take greater control of the country. It’s pretty hard not to think he’s abusing his executive powers in his latest attempt to cover something up.

I’m going to also assume the minority of Americans who are Trump supporters, those who’ve been advocating for doing away with traditional systems and replacing them with a ‘strong’ leader will be pleased with what Trump’s doing. They’ll glory in Trump’s ‘sticking it’ to the system. 

Any foreign governments trying to weaken the US can now focus their attentions on their own country knowing Trump and his supporters are doing a better job of bringing down the country than they ever could.

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Bok bok bok bOOOOOOK! That's the sound a chicken makes, and the clucking is all Trump. No specific sounds for a hypocrite, but he is very much the epitome of that, too, as are anyone who claims to support transparency but lets one paper through and not another (haha... and HE claims bias!).

In any case, I have no doubt he'll chicken out on his vow to meet Mueller, too. Coward.

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Where are the conservative posters to tell us all that this was a good decision? Have they become intellectually honest enough to not blindly support Trump on this?

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Where are the conservative posters

They're waiting to hear Hannity, Limbaugh and their youtube guru's opinions before they commit something to print.

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The MSM sure did get this out there fast so the peacocking can begin. Of course those wonderful, honest, family values Dems wouldn't dare leave sensitive classified material in the memo pretty much guaranteeing that it would not be released. Nope. They wouldn't do that, would they?

I think it's best for me to laugh this Dem/Rep game off as pathetic power games. If I did take it more seriously I'd probably get depressed and start drinking a lot of vodka and aquarius at how these two friggen idiotic partys are tearing the country apart for their own selfish games,

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Democracy being eroded before your very eyes and still the faithful applaud. Watch this space.

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@fizxThe MSM sure did get this out there fast

which is what is expected with a free, for profit press.

If I did take it more seriously I'd 

understand that you have no deeper insights into what might be happening than any other poster, that you're expressing your opinions using this 'MSM' forum like they rest of us..

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Trump will eventually be forced to release a redacted version, and he has Nunes to thank for this. He'll also be soon forced to testify in front of Mueller. And he'll likely be impelled to fire his chief of staff, Kelly. Beware the Ides of March.

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I have a life outside this place.

so let me get this straight. You think Trump is going to release a document that has secret information in as determined by the FBI and the guy in charge of Mueller(Rosenstein).

Just to avoid criticism from Dems and MSM who hate him either way?

You don’t know Trump.

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I guarantee within 5 mins of releasing that some liberal and that Schiff guy would be on TV. They would trying to extend the Mueller investigation another 2 years to go investigate why Trump mishandled classified information.

Or is it ok to release anything now? A weak man would release it as is and say it’s the Dems responsibility if anything wrong with it. But not trump, he is a leader.

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DOJ and FBI signed a letter telling them what needs to be changed. Trumps lawyer simply sent that letter. Makes the changes and Trump will surely release it.

Or are Wray and Rosenstein in on it now too and can’t be trusted? The same Rosenstein that brought in Mueller and the same Wray that protected McCabe? Uh huh ok.

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President Trump is (again) correct no matter how the dishonest alt-left media spins it. A memo sloppily written (probably in crayon) in a hurry and complete serious national security concerns.

What the low information leftists shrieking "what is he hiding" haven't yet realized is that President Trump's legal team has had a full week with Shiff's memo, which he now has to trot over to the DoJ to help him redact, guaranteeing that the his memo won't be released anytime soon.

In the meantime, more and more information against the real collusion with Russia during the last election cycle involving the Obama administration, HRC and the DNC is being released every hour. Of course, low information liberals do not know what I'm writing about because they believe part and parcel in everything they read and see in an alt-left MSM that refuses to do their job as "journalists" and inform their readers/viewers what's going on outside their echo chamber.

President Trump continues to snag the leftists in his OODA loop.

Bravo, Mr. President. Well played. . . .

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dishonest alt-left 

constant misuse of the meaning

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Tex, some have been paying attention enough to spell names correctly. Others are paying very close attention to legal issues, one of which is at the moment of deep concern to Trump: Obstruction of justice. Somewhere, a checksheet has just been marked and documents filed. All will come out eventually (except for the tax info, which Trump will take to his grave).

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Boy bok bok bOOOOOOK! That's the sound a chicken makes, and the clucking is all Trump.

Yes, so every Republican voted for it to be released, but most Dems didn’t want Nunes memo released. Trump wanted the darn thing released as well, so who’s being transparent? Not Spliff that’s the sure.

No specific sounds for a hypocrite, but he is very much the epitome of that, too, as are anyone who claims to support transparency but lets one paper through and not another (haha... and HE claims bias!). 

Hmmm....the left loved Edward Snowden, praised him and Banning as heroes for being whistleblowers and now, the left worry so deeply about National security? You just can’t make this stuff up. ROFL

In any case, I have no doubt he'll chicken out on his vow to meet Mueller, too. Coward

Why should Trump walk in a perjury trap? If Trump learned anything of his once decent relationship with the Clinton’s it’s never put yourself into a perjurer yourself. He should NEVER meet with Mueller.

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so let me get this straight. You think Trump is going to release a document that has secret information in as determined by the FBI and the guy in charge of Mueller(Rosenstein).

That's exactly what he did with the Nunes memo.

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Why should Trump walk in a perjury trap?

It's only a purjury trap if Trump isn't honest.

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What the barely literate, uninformed, extremely ignorant cowboy conservatives don't seem to remember is they were cheering the release of the Nunes memo despite the exact same objections by the FBI and DOJ.

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Schiff can be forgiven for preparing his hastily written memo; he was too busy chasing people who had "nekkid Thrump" (Russian accent) pictures of our president . . . ..

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Sometimes life paints such a beautiful tableau that there are no words to express the beauty. All you can do is look in wonder.

BlacklabelToday  05:37 pm JST

I have a life outside this place.

so let me get this straight. You think Trump is going to release a document that has secret information in as determined by the FBI and the guy in charge of Mueller(Rosenstein).

Just to avoid criticism from Dems and MSM who hate him either way?

You don’t know Trump.

> BlacklabelToday  05:43 pm JST

I guarantee within 5 mins of releasing that some liberal and that Schiff guy would be on TV. They would trying to extend the Mueller investigation another 2 years to go investigate why Trump mishandled classified information.

Or is it ok to release anything now? A weak man would release it as is and say it’s the Dems responsibility if anything wrong with it. But not trump, he is a leader.

> BlacklabelToday  05:48 pm JST

DOJ and FBI signed a letter telling them what needs to be changed. Trumps lawyer simply sent that letter. Makes the changes and Trump will surely release it.

Or are Wray and Rosenstein in on it now too and can’t be trusted? The same Rosenstein that brought in Mueller and the same Wray that protected McCabe? Uh huh ok.

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The brilliant thing about this is Trump is screwed now no matter what he does. It's well known that the Nunes memo was a fat load of nothing that was over-hyped by Trump's cheering section. It's also well known that the FBI asked him not to release the Nunes memo because it would potentially compromise US intelligence. So he can't claim that he won't release the Democrat memo without looking like a total hypocrite.

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The short-fingered vulgarian may still get his hands burnt on this one.

He's hiding or afraid something, otherwise the memo would get the go-ahead.

Not all Trump supporters are blind or stupid. There's only so much the people can take.

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Actually, it's a good thing that Trump prevented its release. He's just digging a deeper and deeper hole for himself. Trump still hasn't released his tax returns and, just like any other US citizen, he can be ordered to release them. Mueller is obviously being very careful and thorough but there'll be bombshells coming soon. Supporting this idiot blindly is sad to watch. If people think Trump can see out his first term in office, they really have rocks in their heads.

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I think we all saw this coming so it's not much of a surprise. It's in Trump's best interests to release select information that makes it look like there is bias against him, and it's also in Trump's best interests to block information which counters that view. Trump before country.

Lets hope this will end the practice of memo releasing altogether. Weaponizing our classified information for political purposes is a road that we don't want to go down as a country.

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It was a setup by Schiff from the beginning. He is mad cause he got caught trying to get naked pics of Trump from.....russians! Him and his buddy Warner pretty active with people they been blaming others for talking to.

good call by Trump. If he redacts or changes even 1 thing they will lie and say he changed even more and he can’t prove he didn’t. Send it back to owner and they can edit it.

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President Trump is of course correct in protecting national security.

But lets sit back and enjoy the constantly outraged heads explode yet again.

It NEVER gets old!

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Trolls galore lowering the level of discussion for sure:

A memo sloppily written (probably in crayon

What the low information leftists shrieking

> Of course, low information liberals do not know 

You guys sure don't like it when others play your game.

Buh-bye, cowboy . . . Don't get your six-shooters snagged on your tack as you mount up, pardner.

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Bass: He should NEVER meet with Mueller.

Well, yeah. When Trump said he would love to talk to Mueller under oath you thought it was a brave move by your strong leader, and we all kind of laughed that you fell for it. Of course he won't talk to Mueller. It just took you a while to figure it out.

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 it’s never put yourself into a perjurer yourself.

What does this even mean? How can someone honestly claim to be a journalist yet constantly write stuff like this?

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President Trump is of course correct in protecting national security

Unless he's passing classified information to the Russian foreign minister or approving the release of a republican memo, eh.

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enjoy the constantly outraged heads explode yet again.

Somebody else's social conscience is so funny, oh yeah. Cracks me up when a dingbat president who has no business being where he is threatens the foundations of the world's most powerful and influential democracy. Ha ha ha!

It was a setup by Schiff from the beginning.

Yeah, man. It was Schiff who was behind the murder of Vince Foster, the rise of George Soros, the Trojan horse presidency of the foreign-born Muslim socialist dictator Obama, and the creation of the liberal deep state fake media multiplex. Dig?

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Plastic: Too funny.

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Heh, the DoJ sent the dems a memo last night stating Schiff's rebuttal memo cannot be released due to “security” concerns.

Liberals never get tired of losing because losing is the only thing they are good at. . . .

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good call by Trump.

Brilliant move. History's great geniuses always make you believe that they're complete idiots. Trump is tops!

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It's only a purjury trap if Trump isn't honest.

So Mueller could make anything that Trump says and turn it into a perjury.

What the barely literate, uninformed, extremely ignorant cowboy conservatives don't seem to remember is they were cheering the release of the Nunes memo despite the exact same objections by the FBI and DOJ.

Barely literate and uninformed and ignorant? You just described the entire Pelosi, Chucky Klan. Wow! Be that as it may, the funny Dems led by spliff and his merry ilk of minions, were up to their arms screaming and begging for the Nunes memo to not be released and the Republicans said, go for it. Yes, Democrats are as transparent as a black tarp.

The brilliant thing about this is Trump is screwed now no matter what he does. It's well known that the Nunes memo was a fat load of nothing that was over-hyped by Trump's cheering section.

If that were true, even a little bit, Spliff would have said, release it, get the memo out, he didn’t the FBI didn’t, they got embarrassed, they knew they got caught, they looked like a bunch of keystone cops.

It's also well known that the FBI asked him not to release the Nunes memo because it would potentially compromise US intelligence.

What a bunch of BS, there was nothing in the memo that compromised anything, other than pointing that the FBI lied in order to drum up a smear dossier in order to oust a duly elected President, but who cares what the left thinks, Nunes is now trying to find the transcripts in order to see who, what and how it was written and good on him for doing it, then that will take all of the doubts away and we don’t have to worry about Dem spin.

So he can't claim that he won't release the Democrat memo without looking like a total hypocrite.

It’ll come out, the Dems should be more worried, but we shall see. Once the Nunes gets his hands on those transcripts.

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Trumps America so much for free speech..

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So Mueller could make anything that Trump says and turn it into a perjury.

You clearly have no clue how perjury works.

Yes, Democrats are as transparent as a black tarp.

Is that why Trump refused to allow the rebuttal memo to be released? Is that why Trump has released his taxes?

 they got embarrassed, they knew they got caught, they looked like a bunch of keystone cops

Much like your view on facts, your view on the Nunes memo is way out there.

What a bunch of BS, there was nothing in the memo that compromised anything, other than pointing that the FBI lied in order to drum up a smear dossier in order to oust a duly elected President

This statement does not accord with the facts. Once again, the FBI did not lie. The FBI was not trying to oust the president, it was investigating Russian interference and possible collusion. Reading comprehension clearly isn't your strong point.

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Liberals never get tired of losing because losing is the only thing they are good at. . . .

Touché.

the funny Dems led by spliff and his merry ilk of minions, were up to their arms screaming and begging

You're right. You win. I can't beat that argument. Spliff? Too funny!

there was nothing in the memo that compromised anything, other than pointing that the FBI lied in order to drum up a smear dossier in order to oust a duly elected President

How do you know if it compromised anything. Do you work for the FBI? Did you read the entire FISA application? You trust a junior congressman (a guy who depends on votes for his job) over a career law enforcement professional (a guy who depends on doing what he's been assigned for his job)?

Once the Nunes gets his hands on those transcripts.

History will not treat "the Nunes" very kindly, I assure you.

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 Once the Nunes gets his hands on those transcripts

Is "The Nunes" any relation to "The Dude?" They are both from California, just like you. Are you really "The Bass4funk?"

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Schiff drank the kook-aid (spelling intended), believing the radical alt-left MSM that President Trump is mentally unstable, and he could trick him into releasing classified information.

Instead, Schiff walked into PDJT's OODA loop and got snagged.

Congratulations, President Trump.

MAGA

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Buh-bye, cowboy . . . Don't get your six-shooters snagged on your tack as you mount up, pardner.

What?

What does this even mean? How can someone honestly claim to be a journalist yet constantly write stuff like this?

What was that what you just wrote? Lol

Well, yeah. When Trump said he would love to talk to Mueller under oath you thought it was a brave move by your strong leader, and we all kind of laughed that you fell for it. Of course he won't talk to Mueller. It just took you a while to figure it out

Better late than never.

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Sure. Schiff thought he could trick Trump into releasing classified info because Schiff knew that only Trump would review the memo.

Yikes. It's obvious what passes for facts in Texas.

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Schiff drank the kook-aid (spelling intended),

Very clever.

believing the radical alt-left MSM that President Trump is mentally unstable

Truth is so much weirder than an Ed Wood movie, isn't it?

MAGA

Ave, Imperator, morituri te salutant

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Oops, I forgot: MAGMA.

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Not surprising really, the MSM keeps everybody clicking like a metronome

Apparently you included.

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Ya know, you Dems have a LOT of big problems.

Did I ever say I was a Democrat?

By the way, your order for your cigars and the blue dress will be delivered tomorrow.

Cool!

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Buh-bye, cowboy . . . Don't get your six-shooters snagged on your tack as you mount up, pardner.

What?

Six shooters are handguns commonly known as revolvers.

Tack is the leather items used for riding a horse or using it for work.

To mount up means to get on a saddled horse.

Pardner is how people in Texas pronounce partner.

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Blacklabel: "You don’t know Trump."

Yes, we do... that's why we knew the coward would not release it when he was caught off-mic, having not read the Republican memo, saying "100%" it would be released and then Sanders struggling to talk about the vetting process and how honest it is. Oh, we know him. A coward.

bass4funk: "Trump wanted the darn thing released as well"

Yeah... ummm... except he is the person who refused it. So.... so much for your entire argument.

"He should NEVER meet with Mueller."

Yeah, because you guys are scared, and rightly so. Because you certainly aren't for transparency (you guys ARE transparent, though), honesty, and not at all for democracy. You don't want him meeting Mueller because you want him to hide.

"What was that what you just wrote? Lol"

Ah, the nervous "lol"s.

"Better late than never."

Is that your defense of calling Trump a "lunatic" then lapping up everything he says a few months later? You can't possibly claim to be a journalist with flip-flopping morality and ideals every few minutes, not to mention believing in alternative facts and wanting the truth hidden just for spite.

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You clearly have no clue how perjury works.

I do.

How do you know if it compromised anything. Do you work for the FBI? Did you read the entire FISA application?

No, I did not, but you seem so convinced and so do I, we just come from different perspectives.

You trust a junior congressman (a guy who depends on votes for his job) over a career law enforcement professional (a guy who depends on doing what he's been assigned for his job)?

Well, I don’t trust the FBI and the DOJ

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I don’t trust the FBI and the DOJ

Because they're investigating your man. Face it. You can't put even simple objective reasoning or social concern above that?

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What happened to transparency? Release it and let people decide and think for themselves

If national security and law enforcement were concerns, the intelligence agencies told him the exact same thing last week about the first memo - and Trump released it anyway (he already said he's going to release it at the State of the Union before he even got to read it) - so why use those reasons now when it wasn't a concern before

Doing this just devalues the significance of the first memo (because now people will always be asking about the 2nd memo) and just makes him look that he has something to hide

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Well, I don’t trust the FBI and the DOJ

So you then have no trust in the Trump appointed Jeff Sessions, Attorney General;

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Yikes. It's obvious what passes for facts in Texas.

What about Orange County?

Yeah... ummm... except he is the person who refused it. So.... so much for your entire argument. 

So, that’s good for Trump.

Yeah, because you guys are scared, and rightly so.

Not scared, just waiting.....gleefully.

Because you certainly aren't for transparency (you guys ARE transparent, though), honesty, and not at all for democracy. You don't want him meeting Mueller because you want him to hide. 

Oxymoron? The GOP wanted the memos released, Trump wanted them released, they didn’t do a Spliff hissy fit.

Ah, the nervous "lol"s. 

No, stomach clinching “lol”s

Is that your defense of calling Trump a "lunatic" then lapping up everything he says a few months later?

No, I’m calling Spliff one.

You can't possibly claim to be a journalist with flip-flopping morality and ideals every few minutes, not to mention believing in alternative facts and wanting the truth hidden just for spite.

I don’t claim, I am and I don’t flip or flop, you see what you want to see. Libs love creating seas of illusionary grandeur’s

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So you then have no trust in the Trump appointed Jeff Sessions, Attorney General.

No.

Because they're investigating your man.

Strzok, McCabe, Mueller, Rosenstein? Not at all and not only because of Trump, because they’re rotten to the core. Strzok’s Text Mails we’re abundantly clear.

Face it. You can't put even simple objective reasoning or social concern above that?

I can, can you? ROFL

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Hmm you seem to be saying there are big problems, but that the MSM has made it not a problem. So which is it?

You are exactly correct. The MSM has brainwashed the sheep into it NOT being a problem.

No problem with the DNC right? Who gives a sh#t! Let's tear apart the country because we hate the president! Yee Haaw!

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Sorry you don’t release classified material, sources or methods. If you do, that will be the one time Dems actually care. (See: Hillary, Huma, Weiner, Comey et al.)

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Um, they just did. Did you not see the Nunes memo?

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What was classified in the Nunes memo? All Dems and CNN said it was “nothing”, but somehow it was a “classified” nothing that will destroy America? Can’t have it both ways

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So of course no liberals have any interest in why Schiff was contacting Russians to get naked pics of Trump? Just a “joke”?

and Warner using Signal an encrypted messaging app to not leave a paper trail and setting up a foreign meeting to get “dirt” on Trump? A “joke” too?

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Let's tear apart the country because we hate the president! Yee Haaw!

Tbf, this tends to happen in countries when democracy takes a nosedive and authoritarianism takes over.

The dictator is eventually ousted by internal or external forces. And if he isn't, well, the DPRK isn't all that bad, is it?

The blocking of the memo is just another symptom of a greater malaise. Expect things to get worse before they get better.

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What does this even mean? How can someone honestly claim to be a journalist yet constantly write stuff like this?

I think they call it "alternative facts" these days.

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You guys still seriously want to call our elected President a “dictator”? So what’s the new liberal word for an actual dictator then?

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No problem with the DNC right? Who gives a sh#t! Let's tear apart the country because we hate the president! 

He was elected because he was a ‘disrupter’ who would tear stuff apart and drain the swamp. Sorry mate, but we’re just reacting to that.

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So what’s the new liberal word for an actual dictator then?

Dunno, you'd have to ask one.

A liberal, that is.

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You guys still seriously want to call our elected President a “dictator”?

Actually, we'd rather not, and that's why we're keeping the pressure on.

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You guys are forever mentioning CNN and MSNBC which we don't have in Japan? So we don't even watch them.

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Yep. Mueller's investigation will continue, and if there is any wrongdoing, he will find it. The memos are mostly just headline generating attempts to sway public opinion, but do not hold weight in a court of law.

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Oh I’m sorry some “liberals” don’t want to own all the negative parts of being a liberal so they are now claiming to be “independents”.

“Independents” that just happen to agree with all the liberal points every single time as well as hate Trump.

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Oh I’m sorry some “liberals” don’t want to own all the negative parts of being a liberal so they are now claiming to be “independents”.

Some of us don't need labels or monolithic elitist parties to define who we are. Some of us can think for ourselves and make choices outside of the box. There's a whole spectrum of politics and ideologies out there. A world full of them, in fact.

You can have your 2 party politics in perpetuity, if that's what you really desire but don't expect others to buy into it.

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quite sure you read those, where else would you get s the liberal talking points?

No I don't read those media or Fox or any other mainstream American media. Most of what I read are from the Japanese and British media arriving on my desktop with my RSS feeds. Very selective about what I read and watch.

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I don’t claim, I am and I don’t flip or flop

I’m not sure how bad flip-flopping is if it’s based on consideration. I’ve changed or modified my ideas after reading more and being convinced by intelligent arguments made by people more intelligent than myself.

You were a pro-TTP globalist who described Trump as the leader of a lunatic fringe. Your conversion would rival that of Saul of Tarsus.

As I wrote earlier, I understand having opinions changed by intelligent argument, but you, an educated man and an elite journalist writing on financial issues with a resume including the Washington Post, had your ideas on trade turned 180 degrees by a man specializing in making audiences make whooping noises and chant “lock her up”.

It’s not considered or well reasoned stuff, is it? Sounds like bandwagon jumping to me.

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A major and very serious problem with American politics is the tunnel vision of only seeing every in terms of republican and democratic parties but even all Americans don't belong to one or the other.

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Oh so anyone who dislikes trump is a liberal I get bit to hard to get your head around things .We all know that saying how does it go tool shed something like that...

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Same reason I’m not a “Republican”. I’m not owning all that McCain/flake/Ryan/McConnell nonsense.

an independent doesn’t hate Trump and is not against him every.single.time if you are, you are a liberal. Me, I just support what Trump is trying to do. I was a “democrat” until they gave up all their core values over Trump hate.

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Me, I just support what Trump is trying to do.

Like letting Russia influence your country? Or backing wife beaters, teen abusers and racists?

if you are, you are a liberal.

Such absolutism. It's just got to be one or the other. I must say, I do find it amusing when an American cannot differentiate between liberal and left. Not to mention limiting political ideologies to the narrow confines of Republican/Democrat.

I reckon you'd be pretty gobsmacked if you met an actual "leftist" or whatever it is you like to call them.

A lot of them despise liberals even more than you do. Not all, of course because that end of the spectrum is as varied and as wide as can be.

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Oh I’m sorry some “liberals” don’t want to own all the negative parts of being a liberal so they are now claiming to be “independents”.

I suppose I’d fall into the ‘liberal’ category or be placed on the ‘left’. There are things coming from certain elements of the left which I attack with as much vitriol as some ideas coming from elements of the right. Get me started on political correctness and I’ll write you an epic diatribe. I don’t belong to a tribe and don’t ‘own’ anything I see as stupid or wrong.

You don’t ‘own’ Trump’s very frequent outbursts of stupidity and trash.

Break the chains. Call them out. It’s very hard work defending them.

Just be honest.

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Me, I just support what Trump is trying to do

That's also what the Russians say about Putin, just supporting what he's trying to do?

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Lol - full transparency - what a joke

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Nunes is free to generate whatever headlines he thinks will help Trump, but he doesn't have the same legal authority Mueller does. Nunes' function is to create talking points for Trump supporters to use in the event indictments come down on Trump or his family. To put it another way, his job is to lend credibility to Trump when he obstructs the investigation or to discredit any findings Trump fans don't like. But a judge doesn't have to listen to him.

By the way, have you guys decided on a reason as to why Comey announced the reopening of the Clinton investigation days before the election? I believe you said it was because he hated her, but others are saying he wanted to protect her and his hand was forced. At the end of the day it seemed like you guys were just using your imaginations to fill in a plot hole, not necessarily speaking based on any evidence you'd seen. Let me know if you've all settled on something because it's important to present a unified front.

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Nunes is free to generate whatever headlines he thinks will help Trump, but he doesn't have the same legal authority Mueller does.

And Mueller can pretend all he wants and continue his charade, he knows the clock is ticking on him and he knows exactly and full well if he can’t get Trump to talk to him, it’s game over and because the President has nothing to hide and is willing to talk to Mueller in his naiveness of being transparent he doesn’t see the trap the man is leaving for him. When you have Joe Biden saying, he wouldn’t sit down and talk to Mueller, every light in your head should be lit and on fire.

Meanwhile, the squirrelly Dems and Spliff try as best as they can to boot, defy and block as much information from Nunes as they can and it’s proving less and less affective. Now he’s diligently pressing on to the State Department and trying to obtain court records on exactly who ordered the FISA and why.

Nunes' function is to create talking points for Trump supporters to use in the event indictments come down on Trump or his family.

Mueller’s main function in the bigger scheme of things is to get Trump on an obstruction charge on him by any means necessary as part of the Washington establishment cabal to overturn the election and to take out a duly elected President.

To put it another way, his job is to lend credibility to Trump when he obstructs the investigation or to discredit any findings Trump fans don't like. But a judge doesn't have to listen to him.

Now with the spotlight on the FBI and DOJ once Nunes obtains all the necessary records in order to NOT seem bias, contrary to what the left want the people to think, the judge will indeed read the findings as now talks about launching a second counsel to to investigate the FBI and DOJ are developing. Now that we know this has reached all the way to the anointed one himself, the scrutiny, the pressure, the damning text messages from Strzok and Page is the final nail in the coffin to opening up the mystery of the Mueller witch hunt expedition and bring it to its screeching conclusion.

By the way, have you guys decided on a reason as to why Comey announced the reopening of the Clinton investigation days before the election?

By the way, why did McCabe sit for 3 weeks of newly found Clinton mails and did nothing? Why was it that Comey exonerated Hillary before even charging her. Why would Comey take it upon himself to not issue an indictment when it wasn’t his call to make?

I believe you said it was because he hated her, but others are saying he wanted to protect her and his hand was forced.

This is the million dollar question. Comey hated Trump, but he also hated Hillary as well, so what his angle was is anyone’s guess.

At the end of the day it seemed like you guys were just using your imaginations to fill in a plot hole,

The way you guys are doing now with this Mueller farce?

not necessarily speaking based on any evidence you'd seen. Let me know if you've all settled on something because it's important to present a unified front

Right back at you, buddy.

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and Warner using Signal an encrypted messaging app to not leave a paper trail and setting up a foreign meeting to get “dirt” on Trump? A “joke” too?

Warner was doing his job trying to get the players before his committee. Have some intellectual honesty.

You make it sounds as if Warner was hiding his contact from the committee, not even Fox News was that dishonest:

An aide to Burr, the Republican chairman, told Fox News that Burr was aware of the "contact" Warner made with Steele's representative

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And Mueller can pretend all he wants and continue his charade, he knows the clock is ticking on him and he knows exactly and full well if he can’t get Trump to talk to him, it’s game over and because the President has nothing to hide and is willing to talk to Mueller in his naiveness of being transparent he doesn’t see the trap the man is leaving for him

Nice nonsensical run on sentence. Very journalistic. How do you know what Mueller knows? Talk to him often? How do you know Trump has nothing to hide? Are you aware of every aspect of Trump's life? Your omniscients is impressive.

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He should be impeached and thrown out of office.

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President Trump is of course correct in protecting national security. yet he started the whole debacle of releasing classified memos part of the FBI investigation. hypocrite much!

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an independent doesn’t hate Trump and is not against him every.single.time if you are, you are a liberal. Me, I just support what Trump is trying to do.

An independent also does not blindly support Trump.

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He should be impeached and thrown out of office

Thats not going to happen, now what?

President Trump is of course correct in protecting national security.  yet he started the whole debacle of releasing classified memos part of the FBI investigation. hypocrite much!

Oh, please when Snowden and Banning were putting peoples lives in danger by outing them, the left cheered, now with Trump in office, the is not appalled, oh, my...how could he? Don’t be hypocrites.

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Thats not going to happen, now what?

Well, all his other failures. It looks like he will sign illegal amnesty with no wall like with Reagan (big Trump failure). And looks like the deficit is going to beat a trillion. It's all on Trump (Another Trump failure). He is the failed negotiator. There is some chatter that Trump wants to start wearing General uniforms and enjoy his military parade circus- all at taxpayers expense when that money could be used for injured vets. Kind of reminds me of my old grandfather enjoying the thrill of watching elephants at the circus.

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So the republican memo which was lackluster to say the least was approved but the dems memo ...Baaaaaad very very baaaad not good fake very fake news :-/

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That’s not entirely true.

It is once Trump signs the amnesty bill like Reagan did.

but I took it all on the chin like a man.

What was the problem? Other than thinking he was born in Kenya. Trump is failing at everything. What has he accomplished? And the deficit will hit 1T$. Stock market is down. It's happening under Trump's watch. I can't wait for Trump to come out of the WH wearing a General's uniform. That will be funny.

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It is once Trump signs the amnesty bill like Reagan did.

As long as the Dems plan an end to chain migration and the visa lottery program and funding for the wall, then yes, the Dems refused, DACA wasn’t included in the budget deal.

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It is time for normalization.

Foreigners have always been involved in others countries elections and bills. US with CIA and NSA and diplomacy and money are still a driving teaching force in the matter.

This is just democrat tactics because they have nobody to put in front of Trump now that their Kennedy failed.

My understanding is that the publicity about Trump from the beginning is outrageous and made of lies and above. This was dangerous from US to have lied that much to the fourth power. In many countries, it took a year to realize the underlying truth. A year is a long time in diplomacy.

My other understanding is that during the decade, US have affect Russian election and diplomacy with more wrong than good for no reason. That force Russia on an aggressive standing to defend herself above normal.

This is not cold war anymore. They more pressing matter than old revenge stupidity. Talking with Russian is not a big deal. It is now time democrate put a real show to proove the world - like republicans - they are a peacefull and driving force again. Republican made peace with the new Russia but my guess is that democratc have not.

Perso, I find the "all against russia" illogic and borderline insane.

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As long as the Dems plan an end to chain migration and the visa lottery program and funding for the wall, then yes, the Dems refused, DACA wasn’t included in the budget deal.

What a train wreck of a sentence. No immigration issues were included in the budget deal.

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As long as the Dems plan an end to chain migration

The Dems pulled a fast one on Reagan and took advantage of his Alzheimer's at his old age. Result due to Reagan's Alzheimer's: 3M amnesty. Same with Trump. All they have to do is shower Trump with admiration and Trump will fold and let all those illegals in with no wall. It worked for China.

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And Mueller can pretend all he wants and continue his charade, he knows the clock is ticking on him and he knows exactly and full well if he can’t get Trump to talk to him, it’s game over and because the President has nothing to hide 

How do you know what Mueller knows? Talk to him often? How do you know it's game over if Trump doesn't talk to Mueller?

How do you know Trump has nothing to hide? (If he had nothing to hide, we'd have seen his taxes by now.)

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How do you know Trump has nothing to hide? (If he had nothing to hide, we'd have seen his taxes by now.)

Liberal superhero Rachael Maddow already showed President Trump's taxes. She showed the world he paid a higher tax rate than most Americans to the tune of $38 million.

Even Geraldo Rivera was embarrassed for her.

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taxes $38 million?

So funny it's a crime!

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Liberal superhero Rachael Maddow already showed President Trump's taxes. She showed the world he paid a higher tax rate than most Americans to the tune of $38 million.

Oh dear.

I've no idea who Ms. Maddow is, but according to Bloomberg what she showed is not 'President Trump's taxes', i.e. the tax returns every other US president going back yonks has released voluntarily as par for the course. What she produced was two pages of a tax return from 2005, that showed he paid $38 million tax on an income of $150 million: an effective tax rate of 25%, low for such a high income. In the same year Hillary Clinton paid a rate of 31%.

$31 million of that $38 million was incurred due to the 'alternative minimum tax', which Trump has pledged to scrap. That year he claimed a $105 million deduction and paid only $5.3 million in federal income tax.

https://www.bloomberg.com/view/articles/2017-11-02/surprise-trump-could-save-millions-from-gop-tax-plan

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Liberal superhero Rachael Maddow already showed President Trump's taxes. She showed the world he paid a higher tax rate than most Americans to the tune of $38 million.

One day comservatives on this site will learn that they cannot get away with spreading falsehoods because there are enough of us intellectually honest posters that will fact check them, just like Cleo did.

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haha! This is too good. The constantly outraged pivot from "He doesn't pay taxes!!" one second, to "He didn't pay enough!!" the next.

If he had nothing to hide, we'd have seen his taxes by now

one second later; this

an effective tax rate of 25%, low for such a high income

One day, left wing Professional Outraged on this site will learn that they must learn to cope with loss and not getting one's way

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No one knows about Trump tax payments since 2005? That was actually 13 years ago!

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No, it started with the Hillary campaign

*There is no evidence that Clinton or her 2008 campaign ever floated the theory. While Clinton supporters circulated the allegations the last time she ran for president, *they had no ties to either the candidate or her staff.

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2016/sep/16/donald-trump/fact-checking-donald-trumps-claim-hillary-clinton-/

He didn’t lie, the FBI lied to the judge, big difference.

Did the FISA application disclose that the dossier had been compiled with funding from Democrats?

*We can’t definitively answer this question without seeing the FISA application, a classified document that hasn’t been made public. However, *Republicans and Democrats now agree that there was some language in the application about political backing to the dossier.

https://www.factcheck.org/2018/02/qa-nunes-memo/

Someome's omniscience is failing them. Of course these facts won't stop that poster from repeating those falsehoods again and again.

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haha! This is too good. The constantly outraged pivot from "He doesn't pay taxes!!" one second, to "He didn't pay enough!!" the next.

This:

If he had nothing to hide, we'd have seen his taxes by now

does not mean this:

"He doesn't pay taxes!!"

Not to mention you are conflating me with a different poster. Let's try to keep a modicum of intellectual honesty in the conversation.

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funding for the wall, then yes, the Dems refused, no Dems decided wall funding and making sure Americans can keep doing their jobs and get paid are two separate issues, it was Trumps welcoming another shut down which held the rest of the country to ransom.

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From what I read in the non-biased media, Trump says that they will work with the Democrats upon redacting what isn't deemed as sensitive to the security of the Nation.

US Politics is messy.

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"the damning text messages from Strzok and Page'

another fantasy...here's what the wall street journal said after going through all the texts

"Texts critical of Mr. Trump represent a fraction of the roughly 7,000 messages, which stretch across 384 pages and show no evidence of a conspiracy against Mr. Trump. Rather, a broader look shows an unvarnished and complex picture of the lives of an FBI agent and lawyer who found themselves at the center of highly charged probes.


A longtime spy-hunter, Mr. Strzok was tasked with helping supervise the Russia probe. After Robert Mueller was appointed special counsel for the probe on May 17, he joined his office as its top agent.

Yet, he was ambivalent about taking the job.


the entire article can be viewed here

https://www.wsj.com/articles/inside-the-fbi-life-of-peter-strzok-and-lisa-page-as-told-in-their-text-messages-1517589380

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Mr. FizzBit. I challenge you to show where what I say is not correct.

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