Trump calls for two-step process on immigration, pushes bipartisan deal

"If you want to take it that further step, I'll take the heat, I don't care," Trump told lawmakers of a broad immigration bill. "You are not that far away from comprehensive immigration reform."

Translation: Like EVERY single other topic, Trump knows absolutely nothing about the issues and wants Congress to give him something to sign so he can strut around declaring victory. Pathetic.

@bss4 Unfettered open borders,

Exaggeration.

not allowing the police to work with ICE, 

Exaggeration.

giving amnesty for breaking the law

Exaggeration.

This is what drives me insane about liberals,

This is what drives me crazy about some posters. Instead of dealing in facts, which some of them say are subjective, they seem to be so unsure of their own beliefs ( is this why they blindly follow leaders, not principles?) they resort to exaggeration to make their case. And instead of addressing a specific poster's point, they broad brush and attack a group they imagine to be enemies because they have different perspectives.

they don’t care about the country, they just care about expanding their base.

The above statement a case in point.

bss@4  I could care less what the liberals are trying to force feed me, 

Thank you for reposting what I'd written. Are you now saying you're being victimized by 'liberals'? It seems that that group really has a hold on you. But if you really mean people who have perspectives that differ from yours, and if you really think they're out to force something on you, you need to be reminded that the US is a democratic republic and people are allowed to have and express different political beliefs.

Here we go, if you oppose illegal aliens and illegal migration you just have to be racist. There’s just no other way. Lol

Is that comment apropos of something that was written by another poster, an exaggeration, a deflection, or is it another of your fears? And why is it some posters always bring up the race card. LOL SMH Oh my!

or a border wall with Mexico that Democrats have opposed

Didn't Trump say Mexico was going to pay for it?

The wall's estimated to cost more than $30 billion. Is building a wall what Trump and the Republicans call spending on infrastructure, which they promised to do? Bridges, highways, mass transit, wastewater management, drinking water, etc. etc. all in various states of disrepair and being ignored so Trump and the GOP can appeal to their base, who'll ignore his promise to make Mexico pay for the wall because many of them still think their political messiah can do no wrong.

Fortunately he's losing members of that base as each day he's in office it becomes clearer he's just another member of the global elite, the ruling class who want to keep the world dependent on gas and oil and perpetuate military conflicts to maintain their power and control.

@bss4 filling the country with illegals and willing to look the other way to give them freebies. 

Exaggeration. Posters who cannot recognize the gray areas between extreme black and points lose all credibility. 

But these people are opposed to the wall......demented.

The wall, as projected today, will cost upwards of $30 billion. Its overall effectiveness at preventing illegal immigration is questionable at best. Making its construction such a high priority means less money for infrastructure repair and rebuild, healthcare (how's Trump's funding for the opioid problems coming along?), public education, and the myriad other issues that need financing, especially now that tax revenues will be even lower.

I agree: the idea of wall is demented.

USA. 17,250 reported murder and non-negligent manslaughter cases in the U.S. in 2016. (323million people)

Mexico. 20,878 murders nationwide in the first 10 months of 2017 (127million people)

if you had compassion, would you send children back to such a place when they can make a good life in america?

A wall? But don't they have to tear out the existing fence first? Trump the master negotiator is going to hold talks to persuade AZ senate candidate Joe Arpaio to pay for the whole wall using his three or four government pensions, in exchange for lots of free golf and schmoozing at Mar-a-lago. What a steal of a deal!

Just like Japan, infrastructure is past-by-date. needs massive investment which will create jobs. A wall? a few drones would do the job.

@clamz Nope. Factually wrong

For the first phase they're asking $18 billion. Homeland Security has estimated $22 billion. Government costs estimates are usually way off. Add in annual maintenance and operating costs. Add in legal costs etc etc.

But to me the greatest costs will be to the US public in general. Instead of putting money into projects that will be of benefit to them, the money will go to a wall that might reduce illegal immigration.

If American businesses are to remain competitive and grow, the infrastructure needs fixing. Among other things.

When you buy a house, do you immediately pay for the estimated upkeep over an estimated 10 years all at once?

When you buy a house, do you pretend that it's not going to cost a cent after you have paid for it?

Saw most of the meeting that was televised. Trump came across as wanting to please everybody. His decision making process seemed to be something like: "OK...Everybody in this room is really smart, so come up with something . . . anything . . . and I'll sign it." Does he understand that he's the captain of the ship?

Republicans are worried that they may lose the advantage they have in the electoral college and through gerrymandering by being outnumbered! I guess even they realize they can only stack the deck in their direction so far before they are simply overwhelmed.

Boo hoo. Try creating policies that benefit the people instead of the rich. Treat people like humans. Drop the judgementalism and open your minds a little. Then you won’t need to worry about becoming irrelevant to the majority.

Ot you could try to build a wall to keep out people who won’t eventually vote for you once they’ve received the ability to do so. Trump will thank you when his companies get rich building it.

I've never understood why someone should be rewarded for breaking the law.

OTOH, should any child have to pay for the mistakes of their parents? Should children born to inmates be incarcerated for the remaining time of their parents?

So, we should penalize the parents, somehow. Deportation and blocking them from ever returning. If the kids aren't adults, they stay with the family. Breaking up a family would be unkind.

Amazing television today. President Trump conducted the entire meeting while the MSM cameras were rolling. The democrats were forced to show their cards -- which were blanket amnesty for DACA and no end to chain migration -- for all American voters to see.

It was brilliant of President Trump to allow us taxpayers to witness -- unfiltered by the alt-left media DNC Super PAC -- that all the democrats are interested in is to replace an underclass they have relied upon for generations via government handouts in exchange for votes who are becoming more self-sufficient and thus leaving them in droves.

Instead of actually coming up with a viable plan to woo them back to the democrat plantation, their strategy is to instead replace that voter base with illegals who are in this country. . . .

'Tis time for a fair but strict immigration program to be established in the U.S. Where are the Democrats on this issue? Have yet to see any useful ideas sprouting from that political party.

Zichi - just curious. When you buy a house, do you immediately pay for the estimated upkeep over an estimated 10 years all at once?

oh dear...

The wall, as projected today, will cost upwards of $30 billion.

Nope. Factually wrong

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/trump-border-wall-gets-18-billion-price-tag-in-new-request-to-lawmakers/2018/01/05/34e3c47e-f264-11e7-b3bf-ab90a706e175_story.html?utm_term=.20701e63f88a

18 billion for the wall, zichi. It’s there in black and white.

And 18 billion is a mere pittance considering what it will save the US over time in both money, security and illegal voting

So, we should penalize the parents, somehow. Deportation and blocking them from ever returning. If the kids aren't adults, they stay with the family. Breaking up a family would be unkind.

No one should be given permanent status until the wall is completed, e-verify is implemented for all employers/employees, and all parents of underage illegal aliens are deported. If Americans are expected to obey the nations laws than certainly adults in the country illegally can do the same.

As for children, they need not be separated from their parents - they can stay with their parents in their home country. It’s not as if foreign countries are by definition unlivable places. Be responsible and that your children home and when they are adults they can either live in their parents country or in America. There is nothing wrong with Americans living in a foreign country. When they are adults it is their choice.

If Democrats don’t give Trump the wall and other restrictions on immigration, I hope he immediately starts rounding up the dreamers and deporting them in March.

Translation: Like EVERY single other topic, Trump knows absolutely nothing about the issues and wants Congress to give him something to sign so he can strut around declaring victory. Pathetic

As if liberals know the issues, they can’t run on anything, so this is probably THE most important thing to their polical survival. Unfettered open borders, not allowing the police to work with ICE, giving amnesty for breaking the law. This is what drives me insane about liberals, they don’t care about the country, they just care about expanding their base.

Now that’s not only pathetic, it’s disgusting!

Trump bending on this will be disastrous. Reagan did in the 80’s and called it his biggest mistake.

Dont give in Donnie!

Unfettered open borders,

Exaggeration.

Not at all

not allowing the police to work with ICE, 

Exaggeration.

California will not, thank Jerry for that.

giving amnesty for breaking the law

Exaggeration. 

Not at all. That’s the end goal.

This is what drives me insane about liberals,

This is what drives me crazy about some posters. Instead of dealing in facts, which some of them say are subjective, they seem to be so unsure of their own beliefs

I tend to agree you, so that’s why I’m saying this. I could care less what the liberals are trying to force feed me, not you nor anyone else can tell me, someone who has worked and did interviews along the border and in Mexico what the liberal politicians of California want.

( is this why they blindly follow leaders, not principles?) they resort to exaggeration to make their case. And instead of addressing a specific poster's point, they broad brush and attack a group they imagine to be enemies because they have different perspectives.

Here we go, if you oppose illegal aliens and illegal migration you just have to be racist. There’s just no other way. Lol

Save it, dude.

Thank you for reposting what I'd written. Are you now saying you're being victimized by 'liberals'? It seems that that group really has a hold on you.

It’s the West Coast, what do you expect?

But if you really mean people who have perspectives that differ from yours, and if you really think they're out to force something on you,

Not getting me, filling the country with illegals and willing to look the other way to give them freebies. But these people are opposed to the wall......demented.

you need to be reminded that the US is a democratic republic and people are allowed to have and express different political beliefs.

I hope you remember that as well, dude.