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"So many folks in the FBI are doing all that they can to keep us safe. The reality of it is, is that they are two separate issues," Republican Senator Tim Scott said on CBS'"Face the Nation" program.

That's all that needs to be said about the FBI being "too focused" on a direct threat to American democracy so it f-ed up one of two tips about the shooter.

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Because the FBI isn't big enough to hold more than a single investigation at any one time... Okayyyyyyy

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That's all that needs to be said about the FBI being "too focused" on a direct threat to American democracy

A democracy that can be threatened by fake Facebook posts isn't much of a democracy to begin with. It's missing the educated populace part.

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Mueller's indictment said the Russians adopted false online personas to push divisive messages and staged political rallies while posing as Americans.

Are any of those illegal?

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Trump has on several occasions, however, questioned whether Russia was behind efforts to interfere in the 2016 election.

Trump's unable to keep track of all the things he's said. Is that because he’s so narcissistic that he thinks everything he says must be true? 

Is it because he knows his followers will believe everything he says? 

Is it because he’s an old man who’s slipping and can’t remember what he’s said? 

Is it because he’s a master “4 D chess player” who knows if he continues to waffle, flip-flop and seesaw on issues that he’ll baffle everyone, distracting them to such a degree that he and his family will be able to continue their globalist influence peddling, conflicts of interest, among other misdeeds so he can play golf in peace and won’t be asked about his taxes and history of sexual predation.

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Just when you thought Trump had reached rock bottom, that it was impossible for him to sink any lower, up he steps and surprises you. The saddest thing is that his fan base will believe this nonsense.

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Are any of those illegal?

Under the terms of services for many social networking platforms a false online persona is. Facebook for example. Also... are the identities of real Americans being used falsely... That would be identity theft which is rampant but still illegal.

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@cmmenteer A democracy that can be threatened by fake Facebook posts isn't much of a democracy to begin with. It's missing the educated populace part.

Coming from an autocratic system probably gives you a different perspective on democracies. Democracies allow dissent, personal freedom and liberties. They’re messy. Democracies expect individuals to take responsibilities for themselves. They allow individuals to access a full range of information from a range of sources. That combination makes democratic systems much more vulnerable to attacks than autocracies. 

In an autocracy, social media, a very powerful tool, is strongly controlled by the state. Factor in in the US and I’m sure elsewhere many of those using social media are as you imply ‘poorly educated’ and because of their 'intellectual vulnerability' believe alt right messages found on social media and you end up with a president like Trump being elected. His followers fear personal freedoms and responsibilities. They believe the alt right’s memes. They want Trump to make choices for them. Just like Putin does for his people.

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It only takes a spark. It only takes one woman on a bus. And the world can change.

Go, high schoolers! Do what your parents do not have the guts to do.

The children will lead us because the men live in fear. It is cowardice that got us here. Most people do not need a gun, and far too many of them have arsenals. That is pathetic, weak and it is nothing but fear. All of the AR 15 owners who aren't in law enforcement are COWARDS! no one needs that weapon.

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A democracy that can be threatened by fake Facebook posts isn't much of a democracy to begin with. It's missing the educated populace part.

An educated populace is not a requirement of a democracy; it is a benefit to one.

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Big surprise, Trump makes this about himself as the victim.  No wonder the people close to the shooting are angry at his selfish comments.  I'm afraid Trump can't help saying what he really thinks,  which always centres around himself.

"Let's make 'ME' great (again)."  That's what we are all thinking he really means!

Let's show sympathy for the families of the victims!

Also, let's focus on the lack of 'gun control' that has made it possible for pretty much anyone in the US to hold a gun.

In Japan, the reality is that school children/students are safe so we never even think about this except as a sad problem in America.

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Why can't these high school students understand?! This is not about their lost 17 friends and relatives and the many more injured. It has nothing to do with their innocence so suddenly yanked away and the demons that will now dwell in their PTSD futures. There is no relation with future, identical events bound to occur due to inaction.

It is about Trump.

It is about how magnificent Trump is.

It is about how unfairly maligned Trump is.

So you high school students had better grow up fast. Your feelings - not to mention your lives - are simply a tool in Trump's self-narrative.

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Oh well ,maybe trump is going to go back to mar-a-lago and play some golf in honor of all the victims.:-/

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Burning Bush: Are any of those illegal?

Hahaha! Really? You think the FBI gets grand jury indictments against people for legal actions? Give your head a shake.

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Well, the students certainly smacked Trump in he mouth.

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Comments like these by a president would have been a death sentence up until Trump. Bush or Obama might have been assassinated if they made shocking comments like these after a mass shooting.

Now America is too divided and I think even Trump opponents are getting used to his vulgarity. I don’t really see any way back for the country as he has set a permanent precedent for all future Presidents to compare to.

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Maybe there was some failure by the FBI but since the killer had not broken any laws until the mass shooting what could have been done. Trump blames the special investigation when in fact only three FBI agents are involved leaving more than 35,000 other ones for further business.

Trump is still up to his usual denier tricks. Now he claims he never said Russia wasn't involved in the hacking, just that he has not. Quick check of his tweets reveal that he said about Russia and Putin.

The mass shooting happened because a young person of 19 years was able to purchase a number of guns including assault rifles when the were no kind of checks in place. Old enough to buy killer weapons but too young to buy a beer.

The Trump campaign received about $25 million from the NRA so not a word about guns or the control of them. No! Just a statement, "it's insanity not guns, stupid!"

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March 24th.

Brave, brave kids. They will march in their thousands, hundreds of thousands and they will be vilified.

Trump's comments were disgusting. That's what happens when the NRA "invests" millions in a politician.

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Trump in his tweet even said "I was a great candidate!"

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Every time Trump says something like this - and this is low, even for him - I think to myself that surely, even his most rusted-on supporters will have to recognise him for the morally corrupt, shallow, unsympathetic egomaniac that he really is.

Surely they will - won't they?

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Surely they will - won't they?

Absolutely not. They'll be along soon to deny or deflect. They're just waiting to get their talking points from Fox news.

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Absolutely not. They'll be along soon to deny or deflect. They're just waiting to get their talking points from Fox news.

Agreed. The only way to deal with them is to not interact with them because that just allows them to further deny and/or deflect

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@bubu They're just waiting to get their talking points from Fox news.

Plus it takes time to get youtube videos published.

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This is about the surviving victims of the mass shooting, the students and teachers and their families and the local community. Its about their hurt, sadness, anger and nothing about Trump, his supporters or the special investigation.

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This is about the surviving victims of the mass shooting, the students and teachers and their families and the local community. Its about their hurt, sadness, anger and nothing about Trump, his supporters or the special investigation.

Exactly. The students should be angry. This tragedy is being used by him to further his own agenda yet had zero to do with what he is claiming. I hope these students can help to force a change in the system... it's been needed for a long time.

I imagine if any change could happen though that Trump would try to claim it as one of his successes. He is that kind of man.

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Maybe there was some failure by the FBI but since the killer had not broken any laws until the mass shooting what could have been done.

There is no MAYBE. The FBI were tipped off numerous times, when you get THAT kind of intel, you act on it, shoving the blame off to the President is out of this orbit, it defies the mind, not to mention hilarious.

Trump blames the special investigation when in fact only three FBI agents are involved leaving more than 35,000 other ones for further business. 

Like fictitious investigations, I mean, witch hunts. Yeah, they really fumbled the ball on that one.

Trump is still up to his usual denier tricks. Now he claims he never said Russia wasn't involved in the hacking, just that he has not. Quick check of his tweets reveal that he said about Russia and Putin.

And?

The mass shooting happened because a young person of 19 years was able to purchase a number of guns including assault rifles when the were no kind of checks in place. Old enough to buy killer weapons but too young to buy a beer.

The mass shooting happened because other people weren’t doing their jobs, the FBI, the gun shops that were fooled while doing a background check that he passed and should have never been able to.

The Trump campaign received about $25 million from the NRA so not a word about guns or the control of them. No! Just a statement, "it's insanity not guns, stupid!"

And the teachers unions gave almost $26 million to the Democrats, so what, these unions and campaign donors are going to support the party that represents their values and interest, as to why you are shocked about his, blows my mind.

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bass4funk

There is no MAYBE. The FBI were tipped off numerous times, when you get THAT kind of intel, you act on it, shoving the blame off to the President is out of this orbit, it defies the mind, not to mention hilarious.

So was illegal action did the mass shooter do prior to the mass murder. Could the FBI or police locked him up or taken away his weapons?

Trump blames the FBI because of its Special Investigation but that only involves three FBI agents.

Like fictitious investigations, I mean, witch hunts. Yeah, they really fumbled the ball on that one.

Nothing fictitious unless you have missed the part when a Grand Jury just indicted 13 Russians. When previously Trump said on many occasions that he didn't think Russia/Putin were involved. That is now changed to Trump wasn't involved crooked Hilary?

The mass shooting happened because other people weren’t doing their jobs, the FBI, the gun shops that were fooled while doing a background check that he passed and should have never been able to.

Was that the same with the Las Vegas mass shooter too?

Here are some facts about the gun laws in the Sunshine State, from the Giffords Law Center to Prevent Gun Violence and the National Rifle Association's Institute for Legislative Action: 

*The right to bear arms is found in the first article of Florida's constitution: "The right of the people to keep and bear arms in defense of themselves and of the lawful authority of the state shall not be infringed..."

*You don't need a permit or license to buy a gun, nor do you have to register a firearm.

*You don't need a permit to conceal carry a rifle or shotgun, although you do need it to conceal carry a handgun.

*The state Department of Agriculture and Consumer Services must issue a concealed weapons license to an applicant as long as the person meets a certain set of requirements, including being a US citizen, being the age of 21 or older, not having a felony conviction and demonstrates competence with a firearm.

*You can buy as many guns as you want at one time, because Florida doesn't regulate that either.

*Gun sellers don't have to get a state license to sell firearms.

*The state does require a three-day waiting period before you can buy a gun.

*And Florida does not regulate assault weapons, .50-caliber rifles and large capacity ammunition magazines.

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@bas4 And the teachers unions gave almost $26 million to the Democrats

How is this even remotely on topic? Whataboutery is the only response?

The mass shooting happened because other people weren’t doing their jobs, 

That's the alt right/pro-Trump's deflection. Innocents were slaughtered by a person using a gun that NO civilian should have.

As an NRA member, you've previously written you think there should be 'tweaks' to reduce the number of gun slaughters. Could you expound on what you think some of those tweaks might be? Specifics, please, something more than some vague statement about mental health. And spare me the libsdemsobama.

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He is a despicable human being.

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"Oh my god. 17 OF MY CLASSMATES AND FRIENDS ARE GONE AND YOU HAVE THE AUDACITY TO MAKE THIS ABOUT RUSSIA???!!,

Audacious in the sense of rude and impudent. Not audacious in the sense of brave. Trump is in no way gambling by sending out rancid tweets. His supporters will defend pretty much any dumping of trash, stupidity and self-centered crap from him and deflect any criticism of the truly radioactive stuff.

This tweet won’t shake them. Nothing will.

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So was illegal action did the mass shooter do prior to the mass murder. Could the FBI or police locked him up or taken away his weapons?

There are many things they can do, intervention, detain him, interrogate him, we are talking about the FBI, they can do anything, if they can’t do that, then we should do away with the agency.

Trump blames the FBI because of its Special Investigation but that only involves three FBI agents

Which investigation?

Nothing fictitious unless you have missed the part when a Grand Jury just indicted 13 Russians.

That’s the Russians and how do they manage to haul them in? Putin will hand these men over willingly, right? Lol

Florida Gun Laws

STATE CONSTITUTIONAL PROVISION - Article 1, Section 8.

“(a) The right of the people to keep and bear arms in defense of themselves and of the lawful authority of the state shall not be infringed, except that the manner of bearing arms may be regulated by law. (b) There shall be a mandatory period of three days, excluding weekends and legal holidays, between the purchase and delivery at retail of any handgun. For the purposes of this section, “purchase” means the transfer of money or other valuable consideration to the retailer, and “handgun” means a firearm capable of being carried and used by one hand, such as a pistol or revolver. Holders of a concealed weapon permit as prescribed in Florida law shall not be subject to the provisions of this paragraph. (c) . . . anyone violating the provisions of subsection (b) shall be guilty of a felony. (d) This restriction shall not apply to a trade in of another handgun.” Article 1, Section 8.

The legislature of the State of Florida, in a declaration of policy incorporated in its “Weapons and Firearms” statute, recognizes that adult citizens of the state retain their constitutional right to keep and bear firearms for hunting and sporting activities and for defense of self, family, home, and business and as collectibles.

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@Bass

Can I just check if you think Trump was justified in dragging the Russia investigation into this?

Cheers.

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@bas4 There are many things they can do

Here’s something that can be done: As an NRA member you can work within the organization to have them push to bring back rules restricting sales of guns to the mentally ill. Caution: by doing that you’d be going against Trump etal. 

http://fortune.com/2018/02/15/trump-shooting-mental-illness/

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Trump is blatantly ignorant and oblivious to anything that is going on, his entire administration seems to be full of either completely incompetent buffoons or unethical yes men and women.

Even as some of the most tragic events are happening, no one seems to be the least bit responsible for implementing any strategy or oversight, they seem more bent on doing damage control whenever the pompous orange colored moron makes his latest gaffe. This administration has no accountability or morals.

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we are talking about the FBI, they can do anything

You mean like the KGB? What happened to accountability and the rule of law?

Not even in America can the authorities drag a person off the street and incarcerate them 'just in case', surely. It's only just over a week ago you were lamenting about 'the left' not needing proof: 'an allegation for them equals facts and that’s all they need to ruin your life'. But you would be quite happy to have the FBI going round picking people up off the streets or out of their homes and locking them up on someone else's hearsay, as if the Minority Report were already here.

The FBI acknowledged on Friday that it failed to investigate a warning that Cruz possessed a gun and the desire to kill.

From bass's quote from the Florida State Constitution, it appears that 'possessing a gun' in no way makes a person odd or a legitimate subject of investigation - it's normal. Investigating everyone in the state of Florida in possession of a gun would create a backlog of cases the FBI would never dig itself out of. In this particular case the 'desire to kill' did translate into a real tragedy, but it seems Cruz was only one of very many potential killers: anyone owning a gun has the potential to go crazy.

It says something about the state the state/country that reports of a person owning a gun and wanting to kill do not immediately raise warning flags. Same old same old.

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The special counsel could have simply waited to announce the latest indictments. No one was arrested and all the people still in Russia, why the sudden rush?

They knew by doing so that the news cycle would change away from both the shooting and the FBI role in missing signs and tips that could have 100% prevented it. If that wasn’t their intention, they should have waited.

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How is this even remotely on topic? Whataboutery is the only response?

Exactly, who cares what or who the NRA contributes to? The same goes for the Teachers Unions, they contribute to the Dems, so be consistent, I don’t like the unions anymore than you libs hate the NRA. Organizations can give money to anyone that supports their causes.

That's the alt right/pro-Trump's deflection.

More like the radical Alt/Lefts deflections at work it seems.

Innocents were slaughtered by a person using a gun that NO civilian should have. 

Why, because you say so? That’s your opinion. My opinion is, we should have metal detectors and an armed security in schools, no one should be allowed on campus so easily and we need to look deeper into mental treatment options. If Congress wants to limit the amount of ammunition, the amount of AR-15 a person can buy, maybe, but banning it, won’t happen.

As an NRA member, you've previously written you think there should be 'tweaks' to reduce the number of gun slaughters.

Yes, but not banning them, it won’t solve anything.

Could you expound on what you think some of those tweaks might be? Specifics, please, something more than some vague statement about mental health. And spare me the libsdemsobama.

I just did and No, I won’t spare you just because you don’t want to hear that the Dems had two years to come up with something and they didn’t. They had their chance.

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Anything to attack Trump. It’s disgusting that CNN would put emotional children on tv whose friends have just been murdered.

He been saying for months FBI at the leadership level was distracted and biased and only focused on him and not their job. Now something happens that proved that, what’s the liberal response? Blame Trump for being right.

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"Oh my god. 17 OF MY CLASSMATES AND FRIENDS ARE GONE AND YOU HAVE THE AUDACITY TO MAKE THIS ABOUT RUSSIA???!!," Morgan Williams, a 16-year-old junior, tweeted in response to Trump's message. "HAVE A DAMN HEART."

More sense from that 16-year-old than all those trying to defend the use of assault weapons.

Exactly, who cares what or who the NRA contributes to? 

Ten and tens of millions of Americans and other want to know what money the NRA gives to Trump and those in congress claiming to be working for the people. I want to know.

Other organizations and unions like teachers having nothing to do with the sale and use of deadly weapons.

My opinion is, we should have metal detectors and an armed security in schools, no one should be allowed on campus so easily and we need to look deeper into mental treatment options.

So let the NRA and gun manufacturers pick up the tab for running it then. Paid for by those making the profits.

Yes, but not banning them, it won’t solve anything.

Oh! but it will by reducing the numbers of mass shooting and mass murders just like happened in Australia which banned assault weapons 20 years ago and not a single mass shooting since.

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There are millions of unemployed veterans who already have gun training. Give them jobs and make the school have one way in and one way out with armed guards at the checkpoint.

That can be implemented this week.

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Blacklabel

There are millions of unemployed veterans who already have gun training. Give them jobs and make the school have one way in and one way out with armed guards at the checkpoint. That can be implemented this week.

So who will pay them. The NRA and gun manufacturers? Why are there millions of unemployed veterans that does not sound right and proper? Many VETS themselves have mental issues including serious cases of Post-traumatic stress disorder (PTSD) mental health conditions triggered by their terrifying events.

The VETS would need vetting and retrained because their training was being on a battlefield killing the enemy. There is a big difference when on civi street which is another behavioral problem for many VETS.

So instead of gun control on the deadly assault weapons you prefer to turn the schools into places of learning under siege?

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There are armed guards, dogs and checkpoints at the airport are there not? They even have security at concerts and ball games, so why are schools wide open?

You know why there are so many unemployed vets? people like you who want to claim that many of them have PTSD and other behavioral problems and that they are just trained killers with no other use in society. I would want no one else protecting my child at school.

Who would pay them? We of course budget it. Much cheaper than any liberal program to buy back guns or to have forces deployed to go try to take guns away from people.

I dont feel liberals or Dems want a solution. You just want to use it for political purposes. You had the Presidency, Senate and House and did nothing. Still dont want to do anything, just "oh look at that kid, he totally told the orange dotard off on Twitter! go kid!"

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There are armed guards, dogs and checkpoints at the airport are there not? 

I'd heard early rumblings of this argument yesterday. There is a fine point where democracy diverges to fascism. Hiring unemployed military veterans to guard schools so that some fanatics can continue with their insane love affair with killing machines kinda broaches that point.

Listen, we don't need to abolish the Second Amendment. We don't even need to rewrite it. We simply need to interpret it in the way that it was (arguably) originally meant to be interpreted: a well regulated militia being necessary to the security of the states is the part that gun nuts always ignore.

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"Oh my god. 17 OF MY CLASSMATES AND FRIENDS ARE GONE AND YOU HAVE THE AUDACITY TO MAKE THIS ABOUT RUSSIA???!!," Morgan Williams, a 16-year-old junior, tweeted in response to Trump's message. "HAVE A DAMN HEART."

Bless these kids, but instead of being brainwashed by the media that plays the Russian card non-stop.

More sense from that 16-year-old than all those trying to defend the use of assault weapons.

Really, glad you think so.

But I prefer this...

http://www.newsweek.com/florida-shooting-we-need-armed-teachers-and-superior-fire-power-schools-808557

Ten and tens of millions of Americans and other want to know what money the NRA gives to Trump

Trump is not handed a suitcase of money.

and those in congress claiming to be working for the people. I want to know.

Why?

Other organizations and unions like teachers having nothing to do with the sale and use of deadly weapons.

No, but they don’t teach our kids properly either, particularly the public school sector.

So let the NRA and gun manufacturers pick up the tab for running it then. Paid for by those making the profits.

Dear lord....lol

Oh! but it will by reducing the numbers of mass shooting and mass murders just like happened in Australia which banned assault weapons 20 years ago and not a single mass shooting since

Uh-huh, we are not Australia, don’t want to be them or any other nation, but my own and to address your point, they can never get 300 million guns off the streets, never going to happen.

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Black, this took me all of two seconds to find:

The gunman who terrorized a quiet Houston neighborhood Sunday before a SWAT officer shot him dead was an Army veteran who served in Afghanistan

Who is going to vet the vets? Not only is your solution undesirable, it is impracticable.

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Oh my god. 17 OF MY CLASSMATES AND FRIENDS ARE GONE AND YOU HAVE THE AUDACITY TO MAKE THIS ABOUT RUSSIA???!!," Morgan Williams, a 16-year-old junior, tweeted in response to Trump's message. "HAVE A DAMN HEART."

Bless these kids, but instead of being brainwashed by the media that plays the Russian card non-stop.

The kids didn’t bring up Russia. Trump brought up Russia. Brainwashing has nothing to do with it. They were responding to his latest foul blast on the potty.

Do you think Trump was justified in bringing the Russia investigation into this issue? You don’t seem to want to answer this question.

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bass4funk

Bless these kids, but instead of being brainwashed by the media that plays the Russian card non-stop.

I don't think those survivors and victims have had time to inclination to spend their time even watching or reading the media. Mostly likely they have been text messaging with their other school friends.

The constant quoting and blaming on the Special Investigation on Russia is just a straw man since it as zero to so with the mass shooting by assault weapons.

Arm the teachers. I know from the BBC News that there are teachers wanting guns but I don't know how many. Even armed teachers would not have prevented the Florida mass shooting but probably might have led to his death.

Trump is not handed a suitcase of money.

Never said he did, but his campaign received it and therefore had direct benefit from the $25 million. How much did the NRA donate to the Clinton campaign?

No, but they don’t teach our kids properly either, particularly the public school sector.

So the schools are not doing their jobs, according to you? Then that is an educational issue and nothing to do with mass killings.

Uh-huh, we are not Australia, 

Well when it come to banning assault weapons Australia is far smarter than America.

Blacklabel

so 100,000 schools with 5 VET security guards per school. Total of 500,000 new Fed employees costing $25 billion per year.

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Blacklabel: Anything to attack Trump. 

Yes, these heartless kids going after our President. They just couldn't wait to use their tragedy to go after Trump.

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Yes, these heartless kids going after our President. They just couldn't wait to use their tragedy to go after Trump.

I am talking about the media exploiting children to make partisan political points. By using their Twitter posts to write articles, inviting them on TV to talk about their emotional responses to the murder of their classmates and encouraging them to blame our President. Oh the media just LOVED that one girl mouthing off to the President if he "got in her face" or whatever she was saying.

so 100,000 schools with 5 VET security guards per school. Total of 500,000 new Fed employees costing $25 billion per year.

Oh, are you putting a price tag on the safety of our children? (I dont believe that, Im just responding like a liberal would).

Who is going to vet the vets? Not only is your solution undesirable, it is impracticable.

So you found one. This doesnt change my mind any more than your mind is changed when a lawful gun owner uses his gun to save the life of a child, his family or a law enforcement officer. Fine, keep waiting for guns to be banned while kids die. "The blood is on your hands!" (I would say, if I were a liberal). But as I am not, I will simply ask, whats your desirable and practical, realistic solution?

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Blacklabel

You know why there are so many unemployed vets? people like you who want to claim that many of them have PTSD and other behavioral problems and that they are just trained killers with no other use in society. I would want no one else protecting my child at school.

According to the U.S. Government Accountability Office, 2.1 million veterans received mental health treatment from the U.S. Department of Veterans Affairs in the five year period from 2006 through 2010. 

Oh, are you putting a price tag on the safety of our children? (I dont believe that, Im just responding like a liberal would).

Then cheaper more cost effective and the only way to reduce the number of mass shootings would be a ban on assault weapons which could happen without spending $25 billion a year.

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To anyone but the Russian paid contributors or a Trump cult member, sleazy Donald's pathetic claims just make that guilty sign around his neck a whole lot bigger....

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I thought liberals were AGAINST any stigma for mental health treatment? Another liberal/Dem core value thrown away just to prove an Anti-Trump, anti-military point I guess.

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Blacklabel: I am talking about the media exploiting children to make partisan political points. By using their Twitter posts to write articles, inviting them on TV to talk about their emotional responses to the murder of their classmates

How dare the biased media report what the victims of the shooting are saying. It's all an elaborate plot to hurt Trump. It has nothing at all to do with his own tacky statements trying to use the tragedy for personal gain.

and encouraging them to blame our President.

Because someone has the be the evil driving force behind anything bad said about Trump. You aren't going to insult the kids, so that leaves us with the media.

I suppose we can assume that the kids really don't feel this way and it's just the media crafting everything?

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The media treats emotional children as adults with viewpoints on adult issues during the most traumatic and vulnerable time of their lives. There is a reason why none of these children can vote yet.

All this just so liberals can have a group that no one can attack no matter what they say. Yet they had no problem mocking the guy whose daughter was killed just because he had a Trump shirt on.

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Just a few states have gun laws targeting threatening people. In Florida, that wasn't enough for relatives, authorities or his schools to request a judicial order barring him from possessing guns. Only five states have laws enabling family members, guardians or police to ask judges to temporarily strip gun rights from people who show warning signs of violence.

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Laguna

...the Second Amendment. We don't even need to rewrite it. We simply need to interpret it in the way that it was (arguably) originally meant to be interpreted: a well regulated militia being necessary to the security of the states is the part that gun nuts always ignore.

Oh for heaven's sake, so change the damn thing. Get rid of the ambiguity.

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The media treats emotional children as adults with viewpoints on adult issues during the most traumatic and vulnerable time of their lives. There is a reason why none of these children can vote yet.

So children can drive a car at 14. Own a gun at 18. Enlist at 17. But must wait unti 21 to buy a beer.

Age of Florida victims 14-49. Three were 17-18 years.

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Bless these kids, but instead of being brainwashed by the media that plays the Russian card non-stop.

Wow. How belittling to the young adults. Have some respect. Just because you and the rest of Trump's cheerleaders are susceptible to being brainwashed by the media outlets you frequent doesn't mean everyone is.

. . .

Yes, the answer is aed guards in schools bevause we want to react to these situations instead of preventing them.

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Bless these kids, but instead of being brainwashed by the media that plays the Russian card non-stop.

The kids didn't connect the Russia thing to the shootings, Trump and his cheerleaders did. The kids called you all out on that vileness, which ms means their alleged brainwashing has nothing to do with it.

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The media treats emotional children as adults with viewpoints on adult issues during the most traumatic and vulnerable time of their lives.

By reporting their words?

All this just so liberals can have a group that no one can attack no matter what they say.

Yes, liberals planned for a conservative to go shoot up a school, then forced Trump to make asinine comments that diminished what the victims and their families are going so the kids could respond to his vulgarity appropriately. That's exactly what happened.

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Oh for heaven's sake, so change the damn thing. Get rid of the ambiguity.

Reinterpretation is far easier than changing the wording.

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Coming from an autocratic system probably gives you a different perspective on democracies. Democracies allow dissent, personal freedom and liberties. They’re messy. Democracies expect individuals to take responsibilities for themselves. 

Well, yes, I did come from the US. But the election of Trump at least showed me it wasn't yet an autocratic country. After that, I agree with everything you say. I think "dissent, personal freedom and liberties" and individuals taking responsibilities for themselves are great ideas. That means people can say what they want, and people can decide for themselves what the truth is. This campaign against so called fake news seeks to take that decision away from the people.

His followers fear personal freedoms and responsibilities. They believe the alt right’s memes. They want Trump to make choices for them. Just like Putin does for his people.

Cartoonish and patently false aspersions like these are what makes political discourse in the USA impossible. And they reflect poorly on the person who expresses them. Try listening to people rather than projecting your assumptions upon them.

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Exactly, who cares what or who the NRA contributes to? 

Uhh . . . Bevause it tells us whether a politician will approach this debate in a reasonable manner. NRA contributions = thoughts and prayer instead of actual action.

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No, but they don’t teach our kids properly either, particularly the public school sector.

How do? Concrete examples instead of the vague assertion of which you are so fond.

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*How so?

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Black: The media treats emotional children as adults with viewpoints on adult issues during the most traumatic and vulnerable time of their lives. There is a reason why none of these children can vote yet.

Ah, so when the get older and mature a bit then they won't mind that Trump tied their tragedy into personal political points. Just like the rest of us adults wouldn't mind.

That being said, it's a good angle for Trump fans to take. I'm assuming you read it somewhere. You can discredit legitimate criticism as "emotional kids" and sidestep the issue without giving your personal opinion.

And naturally anything about the media will be believed. It's smart of you to say that the media is encouraged them because your people will believe it without any evidence. Low hanging fruit and all that.

So here's what you need to do next, and it's right out of Putin's playbook: Find one student to discredit, and then you can use that to discredit all of them. Dig through their social posts and find one who said something bad about Trump before the tragedy. Link one of the parents to Democratic donors or positions in the Democratic Party. Find one reporter who acted unprofessionally to discredit the entire reporting.

All you have to do is find a single incident, and you have a ton of kids as potential resources. In no time you can build a statement: These kids, paid off by the evil media, their statements scripted, their parents huge, biased Democrats, are all following a liberal ploy to discredit our president.

You aren't blaming the kids themselves because they too are victims of corrupt anti-American deep state forces. How am I doing, Bush?

The play is to make everyone else corrupt and have your guy as the hapless victim to people who want to destroy America. Throw in something about ANTIFA (that will come soon), militant liberals, Mueller (I see you've done that already), the media, mix it all up, then serve it hot.

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Super: Astute analysis. It's almost as if you've seen conservatives do this before.

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He been saying for months FBI at the leadership level was distracted and biased and only focused on him and not their job. Now something happens that proved that, what’s the liberal response? Blame Trump for being right

Yes, because the FBI leadership answers the tip lines.

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Tommy Jones

It has been reinterpreted a bunch of times. And here we are, another 17 school kids in the ground.

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It has been reinterpreted a bunch of times. And here we are, another 17 school kids in the ground.

Not a bunch of times. Anyway, that doesn't change the fact that reinterpretation is far easier than amendment.

We seem to be in agreement that something needs to happen. I could care less whether it's amendment or reinterpretation, just do something beyond thoughts and prayers.

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Tommy Jones

Right on. I just feel reinterpretation is TOO easy. Amending it is a more permanent move I feel. But whatever, ain’t gonna happen.

By ‘something’ what do you mean though? President Obama’s move to restrict mentally ill people’s access to firearms was a step in the right direction, instantly erased by the next guy. It seems those who would, can’t.

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I gave my opinion.

The media is using traumatized children to try to sway public opinion about a partisan political issue.

If you want to actually do something other than talk, then protect our schools with armed guards. The 2nd amendment isn’t magically changing and won’t be allowed to be reinterpreted like liberals did with illegal aliens= undocumented immigrants.

Trump is within his rights to question why the FBI can’t seem to focus on their job. They have yet to tell us how this happened so until then a lack of focus is at least possible.

If the choices for blame are lack of gun control, the FBI mishandling a tip or Trump why are liberals ok with “trump” being the answer?

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If the choices for blame are lack of gun control, the FBI mishandling a tip or Trump why are liberals ok with “trump” being the answer?

They aren't. It's not about Trump. Never was. That's the point. He's making it about him and the FBI when it has nothing to do with it. If he's not going to be a part of any solution he should just keep his mouth shut.

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The media is using traumatized children to try to sway public opinion about a partisan political issue.

How did the traumatized children become linked to that partisan political issue?

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Reinterpretation would stand long enough to demonstrate it brought down firearm violence without harming anyone significantly. It would be the baby step to re-writing, which is highly aspirational given how highly unlikely it will be reinterpreted any time soon.

Actually, it wouldn't take either. All that needs to occur is a federal law that would pass strict scrutiny as decided by SCOTUS. The bar is extremely low if reasonable voices prevail.

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They aren't. It's not about Trump. Never was. That's the point. He's making it about him and the FBI when it has nothing to do with it. If he's not going to be a part of any solution he should just keep his mouth shut.

Sums it up nicely. Back to the Studio 54 themed disco party Trump attended after all the photos in Florida.

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The kids didn’t bring up Russia. Trump brought up Russia. Brainwashing has nothing to do with it. They were responding to his latest foul blast on the potty. 

The kids brought up Trump, let’s see, what do most schools play for news in the public school system? CNN. Of course they did.

Do you think Trump was justified in bringing the Russia investigation into this issue? You don’t seem to want to answer this question.

I could care less either way, that is my answer.

I don't think those survivors and victims have had time to inclination to spend their time even watching or reading the media. Mostly likely they have been text messaging with their other school friends.

And every single student thinks like a collective? Sure, right.

The constant quoting and blaming on the Special Investigation on Russia is just a straw man since it as zero to so with the mass shooting by assault weapons.

How would you know? I mean, how would you?

Arm the teachers. I know from the BBC News that there are teachers wanting guns but I don't know how many. Even armed teachers would not have prevented the Florida mass shooting but probably might have led to his death.

Yes, nor banning the AR-15

Never said he did, but his campaign received it and therefore had direct benefit from the $25 million. How much did the NRA donate to the Clinton campaign?

Don't know, but the teachers union did. Seriously, you think the NRA would donate to the Democrats? Even though millions of liberals are registered gun owners.

So the schools are not doing their jobs, according to you? Then that is an educational issue and nothing to do with mass killings.

Not just according to me. But yeah, that’s the problem, they aren’t getting an education.

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The kids brought up Trump,

One cite or cut and paste that shows this is correct. Just one.

let’s see, what do most schools play for news in the public school system? CNN. Of course they did.

If you can show me a cite or cut and paste evidence that the survivors linked their tragedy to Trump before Trump's tweets, I'll engage in this argument.

One. Single. Cite.

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How would you know? I mean, how would you?

The same way you know a lot of things: omniscience.

Yes, nor banning the AR-15

No AR, no deaths from AR.

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Ah, so when the get older and mature a bit then they won't mind that Trump tied their tragedy into personal political points. Just like the rest of us adults wouldn't mind.

Most don’t, except liberals always have an axe to grind.

That being said, it's a good angle for Trump fans to take. I'm assuming you read it somewhere. You can discredit legitimate criticism as "emotional kids" and sidestep the issue without giving your personal opinion. 

Yes, highly emotional, but understandable.

And naturally anything about the media will be believed. It's smart of you to say that the media is encouraged them because your people will believe it without any evidence. Low hanging fruit and all that.

Most public schools use CNN so when you have the likes of Don Lemon and Paul Begala preaching doom and gloom and Armageddon, you can understand why the drum beats of that network ring like a perfectly synced echo chamber.

So here's what you need to do next, and it's right out of Putin's playbook: Find one student to discredit, and then you can use that to discredit all of them. Dig through their social posts and find one who said something bad about Trump before the tragedy. Link one of the parents to Democratic donors or positions in the Democratic Party. Find one reporter who acted unprofessionally to discredit the entire reporting.

What?

All you have to do is find a single incident, and you have a ton of kids as potential resources. In no time you can build a statement: These kids, paid off by the evil media, their statements scripted, their parents huge, biased Democrats, are all following a liberal ploy to discredit our president.

Well, I definitely buy that.

You aren't blaming the kids themselves because they too are victims of corrupt anti-American deep state forces. How am I doing, Bush?

The play is to make everyone else corrupt and have your guy as the hapless victim to people who want to destroy America. Throw in something about ANTIFA (that will come soon), militant liberals, Mueller (I see you've done that already), the media, mix it all up, then serve it hot.

Dude, relax....

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Most don’t, except liberals always have an axe to grind

You know most of the victims from the school shooting in Florida so were able to ask them? If not, another display of omni . . .

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No AR, no deaths from AR.

Then they’ll find something else, like a bolt action rifle

You know most of the victims from the school shooting in Florida so were able to ask them? If not, another display of omni . . .

No, but I do know the media and what the public schools watch.

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Most public schools use CNN so when you have the likes of Don Lemon and Paul Begala preaching doom and gloom and Armageddon, you can understand why the drum beats of that network ring like a perfectly synced echo chamber

Compared to which network or news source? The ones you utilize? Mind sharing with the rest of us?

Dude, relax....

Yeah, dude, relax. Better yet chillax. We're only discussing the aftermath of 17 people being murdered at a place of learning and supposed safety, No biggie, dawg; there'll be anotha along shortly. We can send more clearly effective thoughts and prayers again then, brah, Dude, just relax . . .

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Then they’ll find something else, like a bolt action rifle

A bolt action compared to an AR? And you claim to be a firearm collector and avid hunter.

No, but I do know the media and what the public schools watch.

Then there is no possible way you could know how most of the victims and their families thinknand feel.

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A bolt action compared to an AR?

Yes

And you claim to be a firearm collector and avid hunter

Yes, so spare the dry fig humor, it’s a waste of time. But seriously, you ban these guns and let’s say, some crazy kid, man or woman uses a bolt action rifle, then what? Please just answer the question, this isn’t that hard.

Then there is no possible way you could know how most of the victims and their families thinknand feel.

Judging by their outbursts, I can pretty much imagine.

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Blacklabel: The media is using traumatized children to try to sway public opinion about a partisan political issue.

Donald made an insensitive, self-serving, I'll-advised statement used to do advance his own unrelated political partisan issue. The kids responded.

Man up and tell your guy he was wrong instead of finding the next boogeyman who is responsible for everything.

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Bass: Most public schools use CNN

So the public schools and CNN are responsible for Trump's idiotic statement.

Keep hammering the media for Trump's mistakes, then hunker down in the bubble until this blows over. You should be able to get through this without having to criticize the Dear Leader for doing something you personally don't support.

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Well Australia banned all assault rifles 22 years ago and since then not one single mass shooting so something worked that could also work in America. The second point was that the law was changed within 12 days of a mass shooting in 1996.

At the heart of the push was a massive buyback of more than 600,000 semi-automatic shotguns and rifles, or about one-fifth of all firearms in circulation in Australia.

Don't even bother replying if you can only state "this is America!"

So many die just for the minority of gun owners. Sad Day!

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So the public schools and CNN are responsible for Trump's idiotic statement.

As bad as I feel for these kids, screaming Trump do something is a bit off, if they want to get mad at anybody it should be congress, take it up with them. Smart kids?

Keep hammering the media for Trump's mistakes,

No, I hammer the media for being unfair and bias as...

then hunker down in the bubble until this blows over. You should be able to get through this without having to criticize the Dear Leader for doing something you personally don't support.

No, but I’m not giving these kids a pass and will call them out for nonesense like with anyone else.

Well Australia banned all assault rifles 22 years ago and since then not one single mass shooting so something worked that could also work in America.

No, it wouldn’t.

The second point was that the law was changed within 12 days of a mass shooting in 1996.

Good for the Australians!

At the heart of the push was a massive buyback of more than 600,000 semi-automatic shotguns and rifles, or about one-fifth of all firearms in circulation in Australia.

Ok, we have 300 million guns, we can’t even kick out illegal aliens properly, so how on earth could they ever get back 300 million guns? If you think that’s going to happen, boy do I have a bridge to sell you. Never in a million years.

Don't even bother replying if you can only state "this is America!"

You cut me to the quick, but that’s right.

So many die just for the minority of gun owners. Sad Day!

45% a minority? I see. Lol

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The FBI is running hundreds of investigations. Killings, bank robberies, lots of bad things THAT ALREADY happened. Not thought police exercises that lead nowhere 99.9999% of the time.

A non-specific threat is next to impossible to prosecute. Threaten the POTUS and action can be taken.

The FBI isn't to blame. They have limited resources and do the best they can to allocate efforts to crimes they can prosecute.

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Bass: No, I hammer the media for being unfair and bias as...

The students read Donald's self-serving statement and responded with outrage. At the very least Trump should apologize.

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45% a minority? I see. Lo

not according to government stats that estimate only 22% to 27% of the population own a gun so that is a minority with the majority of households not owning a gun. Whats more further stats show that more than 50% of all guns are owned by less than 5% of the population which is a tiny minority owning more than 150 million weapons.

300 million guns include all guns not just the assault type.

46% of the population are dissatisfied with current gun laws.

There are less than 3 million assault rifles.

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> A bolt action compared to an AR? 

Yes

And you claim to be a firearm collector and avid hunter

Yes, so spare the dry fig humor, it’s a waste of time. But seriously, you ban these guns and let’s say, some crazy kid, man or woman uses a bolt action rifle, then what? Please just answer the question, this isn’t that hard.

What is the maximum rate of fire of a bolt action? What is the rate of fire of an AR?

What is the maximum capacity of a bolt action? What is the average capacity of an AR?

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Where are those cites showing that the victims mentioned Trump first?

You've posted four times since I challenged you for evidence of the victims mentioning Trump first. Well?

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not according to government stats that estimate only 22% to 27% of the population own a gun so that is a minority with the majority of households not owning a gun.

Sorry, but not buying it at all. Way more and a lot of unregistered guns lurking around as well. So it’s way more, so as far as registered, yes, but unregistered, you are totally wrong.

Whats more further stats show that more than 50% of all guns are owned by less than 5% of the population which is a tiny minority owning more than 150 million weapons.

Doesn't matter, you...well, I mean, all the gun hating Americans are never going to get the 2nd amendment abolished.

300 million guns include all guns not just the assault type.

I wasn’t talking about assault types, which are illegal.

46% of the population are dissatisfied with current gun laws.

Who was surveyed and which demographic, which age group, gender, give me specifics please.

There are less than 3 million assault rifles.

Ok, and?

What is the maximum rate of fire of a bolt action? What is the rate of fire of an AR?

Doesn’t matter if it’s 10 rounds or 300, rapid or bolt action or pump action, 1 person or 17 people, bullets have no names. Banning the AR-15 won’t make a bean of difference, ban that, they can use a rifle and then what?

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In New Zealand, there are very few (if any) limits to the type or number of weapons or ammunition that one person can have. Various endorsements on one’s license are required though and the process of getting them is very long and arduous.

Number of mass public shootings since laws were changed after the Aramoana massacre in 1990? Zero.

Here’s a piece by a couple of gun loving Americans who moved there and got themselves some weapons. It’s long so I’ll give you an excerpt.

http://www.seattleglobalist.com/2012/08/06/getting-strapped-in-new-zealand-shooting/5740

And unlike in the States, gun legislation rarely becomes mired in the political fog, despite the fact that the country has a similar frontier mentality and outdoorsy culture to the US.

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The kids didn’t bring up Russia. Trump brought up Russia. Brainwashing has nothing to do with it. They were responding to his latest foul blast on the potty. 

The kids brought up Trump, let’s see, what do most schools play for news in the public school system? CNN. Of course they did.

Trump releases his gas on Twitter. You don’t need CNN. You can smell this for yourself. People of this age are well aware of Twitter and Trump’s regular air biscuits on this medium.

I know you couldn’t care less about Trump bringing the Russia investigation into this matter, but these kids clearly do care.

Trump’s past Twitter behaviour has included birtherism, instructing people to watch a non-existent sex tape, retweeting dodgy racist videos and Kennedy assassination idiocy.

If Trump followers couldn’t care less about these outrages to decency, truth and sanity, your ‘couldn’t care less’ is no real surprise.

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In New Zealand...

Yes, all 4 million people. The population of a medium size city in the US. New Zealand solutions can hardly apply to a nation 100 times its size, with a far more diverse population.

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I agree there’s a difference commanteer, but the last mass public shooting in NZ was 28 years ago. In America? Oh, what is it now, 5 days? And the one before that...6 months maybe?

But yeah, Americans know best about gun control.

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Last big shooting was Oct. 1, last year. Too many people were killed in Vegas.

Vegas Convention centers haven't got Weapon Convention this year.

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I know you couldn’t care less about Trump bringing the Russia investigation into this matter, but these kids clearly do care. 

And you care so deeply, right?

Trump’s past Twitter behaviour has included birtherism, instructing people to watch a non-existent sex tape, retweeting dodgy racist videos and Kennedy assassination idiocy.

Ok, so what?

If Trump followers couldn’t care less about these outrages to decency, truth and sanity, your ‘couldn’t care less’ is no real surprise.

I could say the same about the left and their intolerance of truth, lies and deception and insanity, the left doesn’t care and there’s no hope for the MSM.

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Banning the AR-15 won’t make a bean of difference

Tell that to the recent congressman Steve Scalise whose body was torn up and who has to poop in a bag for the rest of his life and that his armed staff had trouble fighting him all. AR bullets are a lot more destructive than pistol bullets (NRA 101). It is very hard to fight against an AR or similar semi auto rifle. There were armed security in the Orlando nightclub and 50 people were still killed.

Then they’ll find something else, like a bolt action rifle

They fire slowly. There is no automatic mechanism. In Las Vegas or Orlando it would have meant very few casualties.

Yes, nor banning the AR-15

How about bump stocks or real military grade weaponry like grenade launchers? Remember 2A says ...shall not be infringed. Don't be a closeted Liberal here. You are either NRA2A or not NRA2A.

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I could say the same about the left and their intolerance of truth, lies and deception and insanity, the left doesn’t care and there’s no hope for the MSM.

You are talking about partisans on both sides. You are an avowed non-partisan. You don’t belong to either group. You see the garbage of the partisan left and the partisan right - CNN and Fox to name two.

To just post ‘So what?’ to the appalling trash I listed from Trump isn’t honest, and saying the left do it doesn’t excuse it.

Just be honest about it. Whataboutery isn’t honest. Trash is trash.

Do you think Trump was justified in using the Russia investigation in this way. I know you don’t care, but just offer an honest opinion on it.

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CNN is neutral. MSNBC is anti Trump. MSFOX is pro Trump. Others concentrate on details of news, competing how fast.

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CNN is neutral

Not from what I’ve seen. It’s clearly anti-Trump in the same way Fox is pro-Trump.

I’d say CNN assumes a higher level of intelligence from its audience than Fox, but both insult the intelligence.

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HuffPo on the left is more in line with Fox News on the right, just not as underhanded.

Trump went after CNN because of their reach and viewership. It's in his personal best interests to discredit them so he can make up his own narrative, which he often lies about, like saying he never said it wasn't Russia. If AXY Corp (made up) was a heavily read news source then he would discredit them just the same. It's an influential body that fact checks so he would make moves against them.

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It only takes a spark. It only takes one woman on a bus. And the world can change.

Go, high schoolers! Do what your parents do not have the guts to do.

The children will lead us because the men live in fear. It is cowardice that got us here. Most people do not need a gun, and far too many of them have arsenals. That is pathetic, weak and it is nothing but fear. All of the AR 15 owners who aren't in law enforcement are COWARDS! no one needs that weapon.

Wayne LaPierre of the NRA is a panic-inducing lying motormouth terrorist. These militias are racist terror hate groups. The Trump administration is illegal in everything they do. It's time to reclaim the right to not live in fear. And it's time to end the xenophobia too. GO, HIGH SCHOOLERS, GO!

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Bass:

Where are those cites showing that the victims mentioned Trump first?

Just going to gloss over this one?

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I could say the same about the left and their intolerance of truth, lies and deception and insanity, the left doesn’t care and there’s no hope for the MSM.

The stock, emotion-driven answer when this poster lacks any retort with substance.

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It’s pretty amazing that a high school student is more Articulate and well informed than the so-called president of the USA.

The orange clown said he would sit down with some of the students...bet he won’t sit down with Emma Gonzalez.

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Why is the right to bear arms to defend oneself even mentioned in cases like these?

How is Nikokas Cruz defending himself? And from what?

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Leave it to Donald Trump to be SO insecure that he turns a mass shooting into criticism about how people see him. And HE calls Cruz a mental case??

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Just going to gloss over this one?

Not gloss, but don’t see the importance of it.

The stock, emotion-driven answer when this poster lacks any retort with substance

Not at all, I never use emotion to engage in any debate. I leave that to liberals.

It’s pretty amazing that a high school student is more Articulate and well informed than the so-called president of the USA.

I don’t think she’s that articulate, especially the comment where I will learn the issue and will be better at debating the issues of guns over anyone? The guy is upset and highly emotional, but she needs a lot of years before she can play in the big leagues.

The orange clown said he would sit down with some of the students...bet he won’t sit down with Emma Gonzalez.

How would you know that, but if this smart woman starts screaming and gets emotional, for what point would it serve to sit down with someone like that?

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"Very sad that the FBI missed all of the many signals sent out by the Florida school shooter. This is not acceptable," Trump wrote. "They are spending too much time trying to prove Russian collusion with the Trump campaign - there is no collusion," he added.

Said the traitor. And Trump spent the weekend in Florida playing golf. He IS a DISGRACE to MY country! His neglect of disaster relief - esp. in Puerto Rico reflects his anti-Hispanic bigotry. At least 13 of his co-collaborators got indicted, 17 students are dead due to hate and negligence and Trumpyboy has to shift the blame on everybody else - even the students! He's not even half a man, not fit to govern a city dump, not fit to clean the latrines in the Obama Presidential Library or to lick-shine the shoes of George H W Bush. Today is celebrated as President's Day in America but that's an empty holiday this year because America has no President. He usurped the White House with Russian assistance and I'm grateful that I'm not in the military now because Trump is not the President and I do not take or obey orders from quislings.

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"This is the REAL NEWS. You came to Florida & didn’t talk to me, my students or my coworkers. You had a photo op & played golf. YOU are a disgrace to MY country."

Would have to agree on this point.

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It’s pretty amazing that a high school student is more Articulate and well informed than the so-called president of the USA.

The orange clown said he would sit down with some of the students...bet he won’t sit down with Emma Gonzalez.

Of course he won't! Trump can't handle a strong thinking intelligent woman. Emma may be 18 but she's very bright, observant, independent thinking and she already has more maturity than many people 3 times her age. He ain't got the guts to talk with her because she wouldn't handle his BS, lies or his uncouth behavior.

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I know you couldn’t care less about Trump bringing the Russia investigation into this matter, but these kids clearly do care.

Trump’s past Twitter behaviour has included birtherism, instructing people to watch a non-existent sex tape, retweeting dodgy racist videos and Kennedy assassination idiocy.

It's about time that everybody of every age in the US starts caring because Trump is the greatest danger to American democracy today, and with him shooting his irresponsible foul mouth all the time (esp. w/ NK but also with Venezuela and his semi-secret wars in the Middle East and Africa where he's making a profit), he's also the biggest threat to all humanity itself. Today is President's Day in America but we have no President. I am an American and I am ashamed of this obnoxious orange criminal who poses as the President.

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These students will prevent another Trump-like candidate from getting into office in the future. Heck, a few years from now, many of them are eligible to vote in 2020.

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Broward County schools intentionally created polices from 2010 through 2016 that culminated in the 2018 mass school shooting in Parkland. 5 years ago Broward County Florida school board members were warned this could happen.

In 2012 and 2013 research findings into Trayvon Martin shooting, there were discoveries of an alarming set of school policies being enacted in Miami-Dade and Broward County Florida. The policies were called “diversionary programs” and were essentially about stopping High School students from being arrested. Law enforcement was instructed to avoid arrests and defer criminal conduct to school administrators.

Students who engaged in violence, drug sales, robberies, burglaries, theft and other various crimes were intentionally kept out of the criminal justice system. County administrators and School Superintendents told local and county law enforcement officers to stop arresting students.

Unfortunately, the school board mandated policies came into conflict with law and order. The problem of the conflicted policy -vs- legality worsened over time as the police excused much more than misdemeanor crimes. Over time this culminated in police officers falsifying documents, hiding criminal activity, lying on official police reports and even hiding stolen merchandise police retrieved from high school students. In 2012 Trayvon Martin was one of those students.

FOIA requests were made to the Miami Dade School Police Department which revealed the secret discipline and diversionary program Trayvon Martin was granted to avoid a criminal record.   The School Board and M-DSPD kept trying to hide the issue; they delayed responses and FOIA information inquiry charges up to few thousands.

Specifically Trayvon Martin’s criminal conduct was hidden behind school discipline. Stolen jewelry was recorded as random ‘found items’ (the jewelry just intentionally placed in storage with no investigation), Trayvon’s possession of marijuana was similarly obfuscated, and all of the incident reports were intentionally falsified by officials and School Resource Officer, Daryl Dunn, to avoid the Criminal Justice system.

And it wasn’t just Trayvon Martin, there were hundreds of similar actions taken by conflicted School Resource Officers – totaling thousands of crimes over the course of just the first few years of these programs (2010 through 2013). Miami-Dade School District, every single school board member, and the Broward County School District was contacted– to warn them of what was taking place.

Thousands of pages of sworn affidavits and transcribed testimony from law enforcement. Several thousand dollars were spent locating, transcribing and assembling the documents and evidence; and hundreds more hours compiling all the information all sent to both school districts and both school superintendents. Their response: “go away!”.

The school board’s in Miami-Dade and Broward County had created a disastrous scheme and it didn’t take long to see where this was going.  The scheme was supported by President Obama’s federal education policy, and executive orders

https://obamawhitehouse.archives.gov/the-press-office/2012/07/26/executive-order-white-house-initiative-educational-excellence-african-am

In August of 2012 President Obama issuing an “executive order” establishing the White House Initiative on Educational Excellence. Effectively placing “quotas” on school discipline based on race. Broward County, even went one step further. They stopped arresting students and then changed the policy of suspension. Broward enhanced their program in 2013.

http://prospect.org/article/reversing-broward-countys-school-prison-pipeline

So what happens when you stop arresting students for clear criminal conduct and then lessen the school punishment therein?…. You get this:

The Department Of Justice – Civil Rights and School Discipline October 21st 2010

http://blogs.justice.gov/main/archives/997

*2010 **– In recent years, many school districts across the country have begun to adopt strict zero-tolerance discipline policies that impose increasingly harsher punishments for seemingly minor infractions. These disciplinary measures – in-school or out-of-school suspensions, alternative school placements, expulsions, and referrals to police departments and juvenile authorities – disrupt a student’s education and diminish their chances for success.*

For too many students, these school-imposed sanctions lead to the criminal justice system, a pathway commonly referred to as the School-to-Prison Pipeline. Regrettably, studies have shown that children of color are disproportionately affected by zero-tolerance policies, a trend that increases already significant disparities. (read more)

2010 – ERIC HOLDER – Never before have our two agencies come together in this way – or brought together such a large and diverse group of partners – to discuss the best ways to ensure that civil rights and educational opportunities are protected for every student, at every level, and in every community…But it is just the beginning of what I know – and I pledge – will be an ongoing conversation about how we can better understand the causes, and most effectively remedy the consequences, of disparities in student discipline. I want to assure all of you that for me, for Secretary Duncan, for the agencies we lead, and for the administration – this work is a top priority.

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@Bass

you are loyal trump supporter so I expected that response.

you do a better job than his press secretary.

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If a foreign country killed 17 US students and teachers by bombing a School there would be serious consequences. If a foreign country killed large numbers of US Students by frequent bombings of US Schools there would be war.

When there are mass shootings by American's, frequently killing large numbers of US students and teachers, there are platitudes and condolences and NO OTHER ACTION.

What is wrong with that scenario? If foreigners kill our people look out we will move heaven and earth to stop it. But if we kill our own people then its just hard luck and there is nothing we can do to stop it.

EXCEPT introduce better firearm laws.

EG. Cant buy more than 2 guns every 12 months. NO military grade weapons for civilians who have not had active service in the military and they must present the weapons every 12 months for inspection to ensure they still have them. They must also be in the Military reserves. Perhaps Government organized civilian militia units, one rung under Reservists.

Background checks for all purchases with minimum 7 days waiting from purchase to collection.

Apart from collectors no more than 4 guns per person (even that is extreme).

Gun buyback every 12-24 months to get rid of excess guns in the community.

It can be done if you want to save your children and your people. That has been proven in other places around the world. Ask for help if you need to.

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Not gloss, but don’t see the importance of it.

You asserted incorrectly that the victims mentioned Trump first as a way to legitimize his vile.

You also made the asinine assertion the bolt action rifles are as dangerous as an AR. No retortto my corrections? You're slipping.

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On Saturday, Trump tweeted, "Very sad that the FBI missed all of the many signals sent out by the Florida school shooter. This is not acceptable. They are spending too much time trying to prove Russian collusion with the Trump campaign - there is no collusion. Get back to the basics and make us all proud!"

There’s nothing in this tweet that’s disrespectful to the 17 depths and the FBI is at fault for not releasing information they’ve had all along concerning the collusion investigation which has go on far-far to long, wasting taxpayer $$$ and impending the administration’s Forward progress. 18 months into this administration an many nationwide appointments are still unable to be filled due to Democrats road blocks, still the Trump administration has began to improve the downward spiral of the economy, began cutting regulations that held up production in many areas which in turn has the job market opening once again. Teenagers slamming Trump are being edged on by adult intervention not because they’re in fear on their lives or care one iota about gun control. Smoke & Mirrors !!!

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So while some people were attending funerals trump was...playing GOLF!

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Get smart, American schoolteachers: you had better quit your job IMMEDIATELY and find another profession. You are a SITTING DUCK for shooters, who may even have military assault rifles. Not worth getting yourself killed. 18-year-olds are allowed to buy AR-15s!! And you are EXPECTED to "take a bullet" for the sake of the students. It is more than obvious that NO ACTION WHATSOEVER shall be taken by the president, the Congress, state government, or local government in regard to guns -- SO DO NOT SACRIFICE YOURSELVES! Save yourselves from a hail of bullets!

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Gun manufacturers have the GOP in their hip pocket. Trump alone took $30,000,000. of their money. How much money can teenagers afford to use for bribes?

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The students are SMARTER than the traitor Trump! Hooray!

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