Virginia police investigate Muslim girl's killing as 'road rage' incident

Oh dear. Narrative busted.

Police are now calling it a road rage incident and the suspect; Darwin Martinez Torres is an illegal alien from El Salvador. 

A horrific crime and more proof that President Trump's hard line stance against illegals and sanctuary cities is the right thing to do. 

Hopefully this will silence the race-baiters.

I am so sorry for this family's loss. Whatever the reason he killed that girl, no parent should suffer that pain.

Police are now calling it a road rage incident and the suspect; Darwin Martinez Torres is an illegal alien from El Salvador. 

A horrific crime and more proof that President Trump's hard line stance against illegals and sanctuary cities is the right thing to do. 

Hopefully this will silence the race-baiters.

I totally agree, having said that, No parent should have to lose their child to violence and hate. As a father I really feel for the parents, doesn't matter what race or religion the person is, there should be No room for hate and intolerance.

Also, as you pointed out we are once again dealing with the issue and that's: illegal immigration and once again why we need a hardline stance to dismantle all sanctuary cities and withhold all federal funding unless they comply, enough of the political correctness. Now we have another American murdered by an illegal alien, sad as this tragedy is, this will probably help Trump and his argument to strengthen our borders and take a more aggressive approach.

Road rage. Kill a girl and dump her body. Is that normal in America?

Sadly it was gone from all the websites and TV once it wasn't a Trump supporter and it was an illegal immigrant.

Road rage. Kill a girl and dump her body. Is that normal in America?

Almost every country I've visited had some amount of Road rage going. Has nothing to do with America, sadly people are being murdered and bodies dumped everywhere, not just the US.

This was a tragic event. Some of you could honor this person's life by not spreading falsehoods regarding the need to crackdown on undocumented immigrants and sanctuary cities.

Oh dear, some facts:

Immigrants commit less crime than citizens.

https://mobile.nytimes.com/2017/01/26/us/trump-illegal-immigrants-crime.html

Yes, it was a tragic event which the left couldnt wait to use to make points against Trump. But now that he could make points from it, he is expected to refrain from that and take the high road. Hopefully he will do that.

Just because something is not being investigated as a hate crime does not mean that hate wasn't involved. Yikes. The lack of logic defies belief.

If you are talking to me, I said in the other thread I think it IS a hate crime. But somehow because the killer is an illegal immigrant of Hispanic descent, police have already have decided he cant do hate crimes.

@Black:

I wasn't comment to you. Apologies I wasn't more specific. I saw your other post.

I just wish we didnt live in a world where each attack and death is a chance to score political points or a chance to advance a policy or agenda. Both sides do it and I dont know how we can get it to stop. Frustrates me more than anything in the world that there are no longer very many common goals or purposes between races, religions and genders.

We don't want to attach too much political identity to murderers. This also happens when the person is in the military, which is mentioned when they are, then people start analyzing that instead.

On the flip side, there has been an increase in anti-Muslim violence, and on the flip side to that, anti-Semitism is usually in the lead and no one talks about it.

"I just wish we didnt live in a world where each attack and death is a chance to score political points or a chance to advance a policy or agenda. Both sides do it and I dont know how we can get it to stop. Frustrates me more than anything in the world that there are no longer very many common goals or purposes between races, religions and genders."

Very well said and I totally agree. However you have to ask yourself, do you support all Americans or only the rich few? When policies are made are you thinking, will this really make America great again or this will only serve the already better to do few and to hell with everyone else? Does this sanction of another country truly help America as a whole, or is it only serving the intrests of the elite few? Does doing business as usual with a country who has one of the worst track records and who funds world wide terrorism, while we accuse and bully others while they do much less really the right thing to do?

However how was this road rage? Does that not mean at least two people in two different vehicles? Or was this about jay walking while he was driving by? Also how do we know he is not a Trump supporter? Simply because he is an illegal? I mean one would assume he was not a Rep supporter, but was it actually stated some where he did not like Trump?

But simple road rage does not add up. And the rest of the group just watched him assault her and not try to help?

As far as the road rage, I cant confirm it but I read the girl was with a large group leaving the mosque. The alleged murderer drove by and some of the boys in her group made fun of the quality of his car, taunted him and blocked his way with the bicycles they were riding. If true, then those boys share at least some of the blame. What he did is of course not justified, but that seems to be the start of it all.

When policies are made are you thinking, will this really make America great again or this will only serve the already better to do few and to hell with everyone else? 

Yes, I like to think I do. There was an election and these policies were presented by the winning side and the other side presented different policies. Then based on the election results, one set of policies and one political way of thinking emerged. So why do we have the losing side dictating what can and cant be done? They lost, so the new administration should be allowed to implement their policies. Then, if they dont work, we can of course change them or the people who did them can be voted out. Obama was allowed to implement his policies, why not the new administration?

@smithjapan Check the other thread when this was first reported. The first few comments were almost giddy about when trump would have to tweet about this thing that obviously he would need to disavow and apologize for. Or speculating that he would ignore it in order to not have to take personal responsibility for the hateful acts that he and his rhetoric caused.

Didnt turn out that way and the narrative blew up, and now its gone from the news cycle.

@Black:

Your 3:10 post was spot on.

Your 4:17 post had me until you stated, "Obama was allowed to implement his policies . . . " The GOP fought him tooth and nail, and you're smart enough to know some of the tactics were questionable. To be sure, I'm not condoning working against the people. However, the GOP controls all of the legislative government, which means they can - and we have seen it occur - confirm whom they wish and pass legislation they wish enacted.

I'm not seeing how Trump's failure to advance his agenda as aggressively as you would like is the fault of the democrats. Congress passes, the president signs into law. Yes, there is a "distraction," in the sense of an issue too many of us find interesting, but there are plenty of people working working those issues whilst we the people are on message boards arguing.

The investigations are in motion, none of us can stop them. Trump is president, none of us can stop that. We have to wait for events to unfold.

Your 4:17 post had me until you stated, "Obama was allowed to implement his policies . . . " The GOP fought him tooth and nail, and you're smart enough to know some of the tactics were questionable

I wasn't fully clear I think. Things like immigration laws (DREAMers), gay marriage, men able to use women's bathrooms, transgender/gay rights concessions in the military, women in combat units, favoring BLM over the police, countries he favored/disfavored with his policy, etc. The types of things a lot of people didnt want but he did anyway with little to no actual discourse. I worded that as that he was allowed to, maybe I should have just simply said he used tools at his disposal to DO it.

Agree with everything else you said.

So why do we have the losing side dictating what can and cant be done?

The losing side cannot, as is not, dictating anything, as the losing side has no power. Anything that is happening is 100% on the Republicans right now. They hold all the power.

Blacklabel, you are quite prolific today!

Happy the left can't exploit the situation? Good. Are you happy yourself to be able to exploit the situation?

I just wish we didnt live in a world where each attack and death is a chance to score political points or a chance to advance a policy or agenda. 

Oh, sorry my bad. Your posts are confusing regarding that remark.

Happy the left can't exploit the situation? Good. Are you happy yourself to be able to exploit the situation?

Yes I am happy about that, I am tired of left wing exploitation every chance they can get. The culture that Trump has created, they scream. I dont feel I have exploited this situation just identified the cast of characters.

Oh, sorry my bad. Your posts are confusing regarding that remark.

I was opining how I wish it was. The reality is quite different. If the other side is scoring points every chance they get you can still take the high road and feel morally superior. But you are still losing. That is Republicans 2017. Their lack of any fight on any issue is causing their President to not be able to do anything the people elected him to do. It is also causing the President to unnecessarily have to inject himself into things that should be taken care of on his behalf.

Yes I am happy about that, I am tired of left wing exploitation every chance they can get. The culture that Trump has created, they scream. I dont feel I have exploited this situation just identified the cast of characters.

It's what they do and it's the only thing that keeps them relevant politically, so it makes sense for them to do whatever it takes to keep themselves and their misguided Party alive

@Swift Justice

Immigrants commit less crime than citizens.

So what? The vast majority of Americans including Trump supporters are pro-immigrants, Trump's wife is an immigrant, after all. But here's what you and other liberals simply don't get: The issue is over people who sneaked into the country, who deliberately avoided the ;legal immigration process. Those people are NOT immigrants, and they appear to commit lots of crime, possibly like the chap above from El Salvadore

Try sneaking into, say, Japan or Singapore, and then work under the table. How many of the locals would call you an "immigrant"? Answer: zero. Even so, the liberals conflate the 2 in the case of the US, because, hey, it fits the (flawed) narrative. Who cares if it's true? (Well, I do, but anyway.....)

As for your link, which was trumpeted by the liberals, it's a useless sop -- more of that brainless conflation. To quote from it:

There is no national accounting of criminality specifically by people who are in the country illegally.

Come on now bass4funk. This is a game played well by both sides all the time but I wish for you it lasts as long as it can.

Blacklabel, DT didn't create anything. Just many people found a leader in him after hating the previous president for 8 years. The wheel turned. This is time for the opposite side to hate the current president.

Come on now bass4funk. This is a game played well by both sides all the time but I wish for you it lasts as long as it can.

I never said it wasn't, but the right doesn't go and never has gone apoplectic as what we have been seeing on the left.

How can this be road rage when only the perpetrator was in a car? This guy got out of his car to go beat a 17 year old girl to death.

So road rage is not a hate crime? I suppose road rage is a token of love, then.

Wth is "hate crime" supposed to mean anyway? A crime is a crime, period. If I feel love or hate while committing it should not be the governments business. Once the government has the privilege to regulate our feelings, we might as well move to North Korea, where people are punished for not grieving sufficienctly when a Kim dies.

The government is not regulating feelings/thoughts with hate crime legislation. It is telling you that acting out on those thoughts/feelings in a manner that physically has someone has severe consequences.