Trump rejects removing names of Confederate leaders from U.S. bases

Dear leader, trump has found a cause to fight for, that of perpetuating racism and it’s allied institutions.

Watch out for trump and his followers to shamelessly appeal to their racist base!!!!

In a series of tweets, Trump argued the bases have become part of a "Great American Heritage."

Maybe one of those able to interpret Trump's word salads and dog whistles can correct me if I understand him to be saying slave ownership and fighting against the republic are part of a 'Great American Heritage' that needs to be preserved.

Changing military base names as a way to show distancing from America's ugly racial history, especially military bases where Americans of all races and ethnicities serve, would be one more step among hundreds more needed in dealing with racial divides.

Fort Bragg, Fort Hood, Trump Tower - all places named after traitors to the United States who were responsible for the deaths of thousands of Americans. 

Steve Schmidt, long-time Republican strategist, just said on MSNBC that Trump is the second president of the Confederacy.

The party of Lincoln is long gone.

https://www.msnbc.com/deadline-white-house/watch/steve-schmidt-calls-trump-the-second-president-of-the-confederacy-84836933503

And to think that the Confederates were Democrats at the time!

Good point. Times have definitely changed. Now those honoring the confederacy and waving confederate flags at far right gatherings tend to be Republicans, many still so opposed to the republic they wear 'I'd rather be Russian than Democrat' T-shirts.

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Trump rejects removing names of Confederate leaders from U.S. bases

Because he's racist.

These comments from a common "draft dodger"

Here are the names I propose:

Fort Benning, GA should be renamed Fort Sherman. Sherman sorta liked Georgia, you know.

Fort Lee, VA should be renamed Fort Grant (obvious reasons)

Fort Bragg, NC should be renamed Fort Ridgeway. Mathew Ridgeway was the first commander of the XVIII Airborne Corps.

Fort Hood should be renamed Fort Patton, since Hood has a history with the III Armored Corps, and Patton is famous as an armored commander.

Fort Gordon should be renamed Fort Greely, a Brigadier General who was awarded the MOH for a life of service to the Signal Corps. As Gordon is the home of the Signal Corps, it makes sense.

Polk should just be renamed the JRTC, Joint Readiness Training Center, because that's what it already is. All units at the site are basically supporting the training mission of the JRTC.

Fort Rucker, as home of Army Aviation, should be renamed Fort Benjamin O. Davis. Benjamin O. Davis Sr was the first African American to be promoted to a general's rank, and his son, Benjamin O. Davis Jr, was a Tuskeegee Airman who commanded Army Air Corps units with distinction before joining the newly created Air Force post-World War II.

There are others, of course. But the fact is that there is plenty of non-traitors who these installations can be renamed for or after that would honor not only the historical usage of the facilities, but also actual American military heros, and not traitors to their country.

with This train of thought, they should change the name of the capital from Washington, because he was a traitor to England.

they should also change anything names after Grant & Sherman, because they massacred 10’s of 1000’s of Native Americans

Thank God he’s not not submitting to the racist and fascist mob. Tell these Southerners they don’t have the right remember or honor their historic past and figures.

Thank God he’s not not submitting to the racist and fascist mob. Tell these Southerners they don’t have the right remember or honor their historic past and figures.

Oops

With an election just around the corner Trump will do and say anything to stir up his base and hold ground on the dwindling supporters he currently has.

For someone who says he loves America and peddles nationalism for the "good" of the country, he seems to forget the history of the confederate flag and its treason to the U.S., channeling the ridiculous excuse of Southern heritage. Trump is King of the Divided States of America. Divided from reality, logic, and education.

> bass4funkToday  08:15 am JST

Thank God he’s not not submitting to the racist and fascist mob. Tell these Southerners they don’t have the right remember or honor their historic past and figures.

Ah yes, let's honor those traitors to their nation, men who fought for a 'cause' that, in their very own articles of secession, and by statements of the Vice President of the Confederacy, was primarily about slavery.

https://portside.org/2013-11-04/absolute-proof-civil-war-was-about-slavery

So yes, let's continue to honor traitors who lost in their defense of slavery, dishonor every single African-American service member who works on or is stationed at one of these bases, and ignore the contributions of dozens of other deserving real American heroes who actually fought for the United States and the Constitution.

Then again, the fact that you declare 'these Southerners' while discounting the views or fact that a large percentage of the population of the Southern states might not want forts named after slavery defenders... well, that says a lot, doesn't it?

And if you want to argue that portside is a left/liberal leaning site (it is), and therefore discounted despite quoting directly from the source material, try this one as well

https://www.historynet.com/which-states-referred-to-slavery-in-their-cause-of-secession.htm

Ah yes, let's honor those traitors to their nation, men who fought for a 'cause' that, in their very own articles of secession, and by statements of the Vice President of the Confederacy, was primarily about slavery.

Liberals are fools if they think the North was warm and welcoming to Blacks and it was smooth sailing for them, quite the opposite. The difference is, they just didn’t allow slavery, but otherwise, they hated Blacks and thought of them less than human as much as the South did.

So yes, let's continue to honor traitors who lost in their defense of slavery, dishonor every single African-American service member who works on or is stationed at one of these bases, and ignore the contributions of dozens of other deserving real American heroes who actually fought for the United States and the Constitution.

Hmmm...I disagree. All this faux whitewashing of people’s history and relatives who fought and died for will not help the overall racial divide, that’s a promise, in fact, it might cause racial unrest. Saying, you need to be ashamed of your historical past even if YOU don’t share a shred of those views. But because some confederate soldiers blood runs through your veins you are by default a racist. Yeah, that makes real sense. Smh....

Then again, the fact that you declare 'these Southerners' while discounting the views or fact that a large percentage of the population of the Southern states might not want forts named after slavery defenders... well, that says a lot, doesn't it?

Yes, liberals are out of their minds, officially.

.Liberals are fools

The biggest fools are the racists who still live in the 19th century .

but otherwise, they hated Blacks and thought of them less than human as much as the South did.

No they didn't but the racists think they did !!

trump thinks the confederates won the civil war!!!!

Somebody needs to teach him some history !

no, Dems are just politicizing this to continue the "you are a racist if you dont do...(X)"

There is little to no public support for renaming all these bases. Its a politically manufactured problem.

All this faux whitewashing of people’s history and relatives who fought and died for will not help the overall racial divide, that’s a promise, in fact, it might cause racial unrest. Saying, you need to be ashamed of your historical past even if YOU don’t share a shred of those views. But because some confederate soldiers blood runs through your veins you are by default a racist. Yeah, that makes real sense. Smh....

Too bad that's not what's being said at all. It's a simple statement: if someone fought against the United States, then they should not have a US military installation named after them. It's as ridiculous as having a Fort Benedict Arnold. This is why Fort Arnold (which is near West Point) was renamed Fort Clinton after Arnold turned traitor in 1780.

Nowhere in that simple declaration is that anyone who had a Confederate ancestor a genetic racist. That's a ridiculous strawman of an argument that literally makes no sense nor connection to the question at hand.

Thank God he’s not not submitting to the racist and fascist mob. Tell these Southerners they don’t have the right remember or honor their historic past and figures.

They can remember it all they want but it doesn't change the fact that it is a past filled with hate and violence toward black people but I'm sure you and them alike don't feel the need to remember that part. Trump may be around at most for four more years but I guarantee you that change will happen after he's gone and we can get the names of those traitors removed from those bases. Your time is running out.

tooheysnewToday  08:10 am JST

with This train of thought, they should change the name of the capital from Washington, because he was a traitor to England.

Did you actually think this out prior to posting it? Scary.

We went through this last time in 2017.

that day: "No one wants to rename anything named for Washington or Jefferson- dont be ridiculous".

The next week: "Why we must rename the Washington Monument and the Jefferson Memorial".

This is another one of these where does it end, and who is the judge of who is worthy to have something named after them.

Trump rejects removing names of Confederate leaders from U.S. bases

Because he's racist.

Pffft! Well of course Trump is against renaming these American fortresses where literally some of these men and women who lost their lives as they went out to Europe and Afghanistan and Iraq and all across this world to win wars on behalf of freedom, a lot of times the very last place in the U.S. they saw was one of these forts, and to suggest that these forts were inherently racist and their names suddenly need to be changed is a complete disrespect to the men and women, who the last bit of American land they saw before they went overseas and lost their lives, were these forts.

no, Dems are just politicizing

In a Reagan voice 'there you go again' saying the opposition political party in a republic built on democratic principles shouldn't be 'political'. Unless the Trump/barr coup succeeds in fully undermining the republic to establish their form of national socialism, expect 'political' parties to be 'political'. BTW An election will be held in November: expect to see all sorts of politicians and their parties being 'political' between now and then, and hopefully after. Would Trump's followers prefer a system like China, Iran, Saudi Arabia, North Korea, and Russia have?

It seems that the meeting between Gens. Grant and Lee at Appomattox Court House in April 1865 only decided a temporary cease-fire, and not the surrender of the Army of Northern Virginia. "Die-hard" is not just a series of Bruce Willis movies.

I can see arguments for not changing the name.

I definitely like seeing Trump take this one on as one of his issues though - it’s very decisive and works in the Democrats favor.

I did hear Trump is considering changing some names of our military bases....

He's planning to name some after the great Soviet and Russian Generals in history...

They're more in line with his views on democracy...

not at all. Who is going to vote for Biden just because Trump wont change the name of a base? no one.

Liberals, you probably want "Fort Lt. Col Alexander Vindmann".

it’s very decisive and works in the Democrats favor.

These bases were named during the Jim Crow era. The army needed large swaths of land, so they accepted name suggestions from local residents, who were keen to revive some of that down-home Confederate racist pride.

Trump is courting the same types of people.

they hated Blacks and thought of them less than human as much as the South did.

Singularly and ignorantly wrong.

Blacks weren't allowed to read or write in the South. They thought of Blacks as animals who could not think for themselves. Systemically it was completely different from the allowance of education in the North. You're talking of the North thinking less of and disrespecting blacks in the same light as in the South? Ridiculous.

Trump has been endorsed by the KKK from the beginning. That is because his father was a KKK

supporter. So it is no surprise that Trump wants to defend the traitors to the USA who were willing to

die to keep slaves. And no surprise as well is the shallow response from the rightwing hacks who everyday apologize for the immoral and irrational acts of the most incompetent President ever.

Steve Schmidt, long-time Republican strategist, just said on MSNBC that Trump is the second president of the Confederacy.

So funny and so true. Schmidt predicted the disaster the Trump WH would become from day one. He was so right to see that. Democrats of course saw it clearly but Schmidt is a Republican. He was honest enough to call out the obvious whereas most republicans and going to go down with the ship in the upcoming wipe out election in November. After embracing Trump the Republican Party deserves to die.

Who is going to vote for Biden just because Trump wont change the name of a base?

Probably no one. But he’s divisive on the matter which turns off independents. It’s why his ratings are dropping like Mili Vanilli’s credibility right now, because in a time of national turmoil, he’s got no tools of unification in his toolbox. The car is broken on the side of the road and the driver has no idea how to fix cars.

If you're the type of man who voted for a guy twice proven to discriminate against blacks, you probably hate the idea of removing racist symbols.

Liberals, you probably want "Fort Lt. Col Alexander Vindmann".

As long as we are rewriting history we might as well name it as Fort Cadet Bonespurs trump, you know the great Vietnam war hero!!!

Its irrelevant and is a manufactured issue to push the racist narrative and cause division.

People care about jobs, the economy and national security. No one cares about an Army base name.

You guys most definitely have to make the naming of these bases an election issue.

Its irrelevant and is a manufactured issue to push the racist narrative and cause division.

Nah, that's just a conspiracy theory. It's something that has naturally come about through Trump's divisiveness. But the Democrats certainly should poke Trump and the right's buttons on the matter as much as they can. It just exposes Trump's inability to unite the people, and the more that people can remember that on election day, the better.

People care about jobs, the economy and national security. No one cares about an Army base name.

Then why are we talking about it? Clearly a lot of people care a lot about it.

Now, I don't see people caring enough about base names to vote for Trump or vote for Biden based on the matter. But I do see that Trump's divisive reaction on the matter will turn off independent voters and anyone who is tired of the president arguing with over half the country.

I did hear Trump is considering changing some names of our military bases....

He's planning to name some after the great Soviet and Russian Generals in history...

Sure, lincolnman, just make up stuff and post it. Jeez...

Liberals, you probably want "Fort Lt. Col Alexander Vindmann".

If they're going to make a statue of him, they're going to need a lot of bronze.

America needs to do something about the guns on the streets.

What! With defunding/abolishing the police? You want us to be totally defenseless against Antifa? Jeez....

Next election will have 2 ballot box choices. White or Black.

Dem liberal media taking advantage of what happened to push anything and everyThing that has a racial component. thats why.

Then why are we talking about it? Clearly a lot of people care a lot about it.

People care about jobs, the economy and national security.

I agree. For most people those are the highest priorities.

No one cares about an Army base name.

No one? Zero? Once again the all - in the above case 'people' - or none. And if some in the military 'care', that would be more than zero. But I know: most partisan extremists can only present arguments as all or none, a variation on the soviet playbook. Curiously still used by many from former soviet lands and by neo-U.I.'s.

Well, I did hear Trump is going to re-name one base near Baltimore....

It will be named Fort Trump-Kushner

You heard wrong.

@mocheake

washington was a subject of the British Empire. He spoke with a British accent. He fought for the British as an officer in the French & Indian Wars - meaning he commanded British troops.

His father was British. His grandfather went to school in Great Britain. His great-grandfather was born there. His ancestors were from Washington, Tyne & Wear in England. The ancestoral home — (which still exists) is Washington Old Hall (now a UK National Trust Property)

If the British had captured him before the general agreement around the Declaration of Independence, he would have been put on trial and almost certainly hanged as a traitor

The Democrats need to find more of these issues that expose Trump's divisiveness, and poke him with them.

Trump's not dividing the country the Democrats have been and still are, and they need to get to work for the American people.

Trump's not dividing the country

Well that's up for debate.

But what's clear is he doesn't have the ability to unify the country while it burns down.

And who's going to vote for a loser who can't lead when facing a crisis? Especially when that loser picks fights like this.

So we need to find more issues that expose Trump's inability to unify the people.

This election is a referendum on his performance.

They were too busy re-building the economy from the smoking hole the last Repub President left it...

I wonder if he realizes that asking why the previous presidents didn't fix at the time it wasn't brought up, is akin to saying "why weren't all problems fixed before the current president?"

trump thinks the confederates won the civil war!!!!

Well, they did get all the airports, didn't they?

Of course he does, because Trump envies the more racist times they live in, and still seeks to create a second confederacy using his bigotry and ultra-racism, and his racist and bigoted followers (most of whom are uneducated) would die at his feet to have it.

Both sides of the American civil war were American. One side wanted to keep slavery and did not want to be dictated to by anyone on certain issues. The other side wanted to abolish slavery and wanted a system of Government that gave federal politics more power over the states.

Both sides fought for their sides with commitment and courage, their side being right or wrong. The issues are important to remember not just now but in the future. Removing all things confederate is a good way to bury the past and forget it. But those who forget history are doomed to repeat it.

Emotions are high right now and rightly so. Erasing reminders of the past is not the way to fix the present.

It really looks like the demented leftists are bent on a China-style cultural revolution in the US, destroying anything that has a connection to the past. It is sad to see that many opportunist politicians are caving in to them.

It really looks like the demented leftists are bent on a China-style cultural revolution in the US, destroying anything that has a connection to the past. It is sad to see that many opportunist politicians are caving in to them.

That’s pretty much it in a nutshell.

t really looks like the demented leftists are bent on a China-style cultural revolution in the US, destroying anything that has a connection to the past. 

It looks like the intellectually challenged right wing extremists want to take the US back to the 19th century. trump and his followers are desperately trying to divide the races in the hope of clinging to power.

That’s pretty much it in a nutshell.

The right wing nut jobs trying to cling on to the past will fall hard on their faces.

It really looks like the demented leftists are bent on a China-style cultural revolution in the US

And it could also be said it really looks like the demented rightists want a Russian-style system of national socialism brought to the US. Why else would organizations like the Russian Internet Research Agency pay its employees to fan flames in the US.

What about those airports Trump said were in the civil war, what should they be named?

I propose we name at least one after General Barr.

The airports after all are as real as Barr's integrity!!!

This brouhaha over naming military bases is the kind of showy distraction Trump loves to dig his heels into rather than deal with the serious work of a president. Rather than the superficial issue of remembering Confederate leaders it is the worrying militaristic mentality, uncomfortably redolent of fascism, that needs to be changed. Only a well-regulated citizen army and community policing can serve the cause of a truly democratic society. It is reassuring to think that in future there will be no Fort Trump!

The right wing nut jobs trying to cling on to the past will fall hard on their faces.

Actually, they won’t just wait until they liberals TRY and scrap the 2nd amendment.

Actually, they won’t just wait until they liberals TRY and scrap the 2nd amendment.

Gotta wait until after January when they hold both houses and the presidency.

Then they can enact all the gun control.

Gotta wait until after January when they hold both houses and the presidency.

That won’t happen, especially now with these thugs running amok and the economy if it continues on this latest trajectory.

Then they can enact all the gun control

As if any gun law abiding citizen would vote for any liberal wanting their guns. Lol

That won’t happen

I'm sure you hope not!

As if any gun law abiding citizen would vote for any liberal wanting their guns. Lol

Yeah, it would definitely be bad for your team! Keep your fingers crossed.