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Trump defends response to Charlottesville violence; hints at pardon for Arizona sheriff

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Yeah and the 'peaceful' protestors couldnt find any so called racists so they waited until it was done and started the rock and plastic bottle (with urine?) attacks against the police again.

http://www.politico.com/story/2017/08/23/trump-phoenix-protesters-241928

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Well, that was weird.

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It appears lots of people STILL don't have jobs, otherwise, who would have the TIME to run around like this ?

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This was weirder (and much funnier, too)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oS-t-rdgDfg

So I guess your normal peaceful Antifa protester now shows up with a backpack for items, bottles or cans of something for both hands, and a gas mask. Didnt help this dude at ALL though.

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Blacklabel - If I could meet the officer who made that shot, he'd have himself a steak dinner on me!

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There are now 2 groups of people in America, Trump supporters and America supporters.

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Yes, what are these people thinking that you can just actively fight against the police?

This Antifa thing only worked for them the one time that they got lucky and the other side actually had a few KKK/Supremacist type guys. That allowed them to clear their name and get a free pass from all their previous violent and anti-free speech acts on college campuses.

But, when it is just a bunch of misfits screaming and trying to attack regular people who simply want to practice their right to peaceful assembly and hear our President speak, their movement is a total failure. Easily identified for what it is: a violence prone anti-free speech anti authority anarchy group.

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Trump is such an embarrassment, it really isn't funny. This idiot is like a spoilt kid who says stupid things when he doesn't get his way.

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I've just watched about half an hour of this whining, idiotic, incoherent gibberish.

He has the emotional maturity of a child of eight. A pathetic excuse for a man.

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The left is just beyond ridiculous by now. A sports announcer named Robert Lee was removed from broadcasting a Virginia football game and assigned to another game. Why? Because ESPN felt that it might not be appropriate considering what is happening in Virginia with the Robert E. Lee statue. People might be triggered by the similarity of this person's name to the recently categorized as a racist 150 years later Confederate.

You know, the announcer Robert Lee, who is of Asian descent. This is another reason why you cant let these people be in charge of ANYthing.

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Are any Trump supporters going to deal with what he said in the speech instead of focusing on the admittedly inexcusable violence outside?

I'd recommend watching it. It's mindless, divisive, petulant trash. It really is.

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Arpaio clearly committed a crime and he must pay for it.

So much for a "law and order" president.

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I'd recommend watching it

Life is way too short.

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He accused "truly dishonest people in the media and the fake media" of "trying to take away our history and heritage" because, he said, they "don't like our country".

That's some spin, even from Trump.

I'd say the truth is that they don't like what America is sliding into. The most patriotic and healthy thing is to question one's leaders and what's happening in one's country.

"This is what I said on Saturday: 'We're closely following the terrible events unfolding in Charlottesville, Virginia,' - this is me speaking. 'We condemn in the strongest possible terms this egregious display of hatred, bigotry and violence.' That's me speaking on Saturday, right after the event," he said.

But what he actually said on 12 August was: "We condemn in the strongest possible terms this egregious display of hatred, bigotry and violence on many sides, on many sides."

Just can't help the lies, falsehoods and flip flopping.

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-41020779

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Of COURSE Trump wants to pardon a criminal and flat out bigot... birds of a feather.

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I'd recommend watching it. It's mindless, divisive, petulant trash. It really is.

Not surprising given his penchant for trashy behaviour and divisive statements.

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So lets follow the CNN narrative of the 'but he didnt say many sides' and that one of the 'sides' he mentioned was a peaceful natured group falsely accused of violence.

Yet, right after he was done speaking that same exact peaceful 'side' was right outside the arena. What were they doing you ask? Well, committing acts of violence against police officers because they couldn't find anyone else to attack.

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Oh the safe spaces are going to be crowded tonight. I hope they have enough comfort puppies.

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There are videos of left wing agitators fighting,spitting, punching cameras etc

There were two sides but some choose not to see......

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http://heavy.com/news/2016/12/obama-pardons-2016-prisoners-criminals-by-state-list-race-clemency-crimes-commutations-sentence-reduction/

1,324 cases of clemency issued for serious drug and guns offenses and you guys wont even let Trump do ONE?

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I'd recommend watching it. It's mindless, divisive, petulant trash. It really is.

so in other words, his opinions are different from yours

That's not it. I actually spend more time reading things which challenge my opinions rather than reinforce them. The point is I will respect people who put forward intelligent, well thought out and well presented ideas. Watching Trump speak is like releasing a balloon and watching it fly around the room making fart noises.

Watch this speech. It's mindless, divisive petulant trash. This isn't a left/right thing. It's a disgrace that the US president is spouting this idiotic drivel which can be seen by the world.

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"I didn't say I love you because you're black, or I love you because you're white,"

I love you if you slavishly support me. If not, I'll come down on you like a ton of bricks.

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BlacklabelToday 03:55 pm JSThttp://heavy.com/news/2016/12/obama-pardons-2016-prisoners-criminals-by-state-list-race-clemency-crimes-commutations-sentence-reduction/

1,324 cases of clemency issued for serious drug and guns offenses and you guys wont even let Trump do ONE?

you seriously have no clue as to what obama actually did. you bring up data that supposedly supports your position without really understanding the main goal. for the most part, obama commuted the sentences of people jailed for marijuana use or possession during the heydey of the war against drugs. these people were given lengthy prison sentences for minor offenses. so obama commuted their sentences. but no one is arguing that trump doesn't have the right to use his clemency power. but there is debate on the worthiness of granting clemency for arpaio, who is a blatant racist, and the timing of it so soon after charlotteville.

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Oh my Trump winning all the time...

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I'm subjecting myself to this rambling, drivel peppered with soundbites to make the idiots whoop and holler. I'm 11 minutes into this so-called speech, when he says,

"I wish the camera could get a look at you guys, all those red hats, and White hats."

I'm sure he really meant red caps and white hoods.

Uurgh and don't get me started on that vomit inducing intro song.

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Oh my Trump winning all the time...

Is alienating citizens a win?

Not sure how that works. His response, at best, to the Charlottesville nazis was insensitive, partisan and unprofessional.

This is a watershed in his Presidency and the consequences will have a long and lasting legacy. For good, or bad - it's too early to tell but how anyone can see it as a win is beyond comprehension.

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 but there is debate on the worthiness of granting clemency for arpaio, 

And there would have been debate about the worthiness of granting clemency for cocaine, marijuana and crack dealers. But there was no debate about it because Obama just did it without asking for any input or feedback from the people in the communities these criminals were or will be released back into. That is the 'power of a pardon and Obama used it, a lot.

these people were given lengthy prison sentences for minor offenses.

Oh yeah minor offenses like:

Bank embezzlement/Conspiracy to export cocaine/Conspiracy to possess, possession with intent to distribute over 1,000 pounds of marijuana/Distribution of heroin/Involuntary manslaughter

So we have an 85 year old law elected enforcement officer while in the performance of his duties was found in 'contempt' when he harshly interpreted what he was and was not allowed to do in his job. Specifically in questioning people about their immigration status. That is all he was convicted of, everything else is speculation.

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Is this topic about Trump or someone who's not President anymore?

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 His response, at best, to the Charlottesville nazis was insensitive, partisan and unprofessional.

So I take it you were not satisfied with this FIFTH response concerning this? Nothing more he can say by now.

Is alienating citizens a win?

If they are illegal aliens it is. Or violent Antifa who attack police.

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Is this topic about Trump or someone who's not President anymore?

Half of the topic is about the pardon of the Arizona sheriff that was discussed in the speech. Some on the left seem to be against that. Even though it is a Presidential power that the last President used over 1,300 times for much more serious offenses than what Sheriff Arpaio did. Thanks for reminding me that guy isnt President anymore though.

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So I take it you were not satisfied with this FIFTH response concerning this? Nothing more he can say by now.

Oh, he defintely will say more. But it's plain to see which responses are the ones he believes he said the right thing.

If they are illegal aliens it is. Or violent Antifa who attack police.

I'm not talking about illegal aliens. Or people who stand up what they see as a murderous organisation.

I'm talking about people who are disgusted by his comments towards women, Mexicans, Muslims, disabled people. People who are disgusted by his enablement of the nazis to come out of the stones they live under.

Thanks for reminding me that guy isnt President anymore though.

He will always be President to many people in the US and outside of it. Even if his party is just a degree more acceptable than the Republicans. But anyway, this is about Trump. Not Obama.

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There were two sides but some choose not to see...

We see it. But there's two sides to almost every issue. Be it immigration, BLM, or other issues, Trump has always been decidedly one-sided, but all of a sudden and of all issues, he chooses the racists vs. anti-racists to be "fair and balanced" at a time when a person has been killed. That's why we criticize.

I don't condone violence, but what the respective sides are fighting for makes all the difference in the world. I hate to use the Nazi card, but the Neo-Nazis and white supremacists were encouraged by Trump's response to Charlottesville and emboldened by his presidency in general. The people in article are protesting against a president who knowingly dog-whistles to those truly deplorable groups.

There may be some bad eggs in the "anti" protesters side, but there's certainly no "good people" on the white-supremacists side.

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There may be some bad eggs in the "anti" protesters side, but there's certainly no "good people" on the white-supremacists side.

Succinctly put, MrB.

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Are the liberals/leftists on JT going to unequivocally condemn the antifa black flag anarchists who can be seen in videos fighting,spitting, punching cameras, throwing bottles filled with urine and using slingshots with golfballs with nails hammered into them?

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Are the liberals/leftists on JT going to unequivocally condemn the antifa black flag anarchists who can be seen in videos fighting,spitting, punching cameras, throwing bottles filled with urine and using slingshots with golfballs with nails hammered into them?

Personally, I'm not a liberal/leftist, so I can only speak for myself.

I condemn all violence but I'm not so disingenous that I can't say I understand why this response is happening.

America today is brutal, toxic and on the edge. The current WH incumbent has legitimised white nationalism and emboldened old hatreds to bubble to the surface.

So, when the nazis come stomping into your town - tooled up, chanting racial slurs and murdering innocent protesters... it's hardly surprising when battle lines are drawn.

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Is alienating citizens a win?

The people that hate him, probably.

Not sure how that works. His response, at best, to the Charlottesville nazis was insensitive, partisan and unprofessional.

Explantion, please?

This is a watershed in his Presidency and the consequences will have a long and lasting legacy.

I think the left have very serious problems and now they have to attack his son about what he wears? This is just madness.

For good, or bad - it's too early to tell but how anyone can see it as a win is beyond comprehension.

I think he did as best as anyone could. He talked and rallied his base which he was supposed to do, talked to the American people, some like and some may not, the Trump haters will never like it, but you can't please people all the time and he should stand his ground and shouldn't be apologetic about referencing both groups that caused this riot last week.

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There may be some bad eggs in the "anti" protesters side, but there's certainly no "good people" on the white-supremacists side.

Sure, but the white supremacist rally is done. But Antifa was showing up before that and now still after that, in places where there are no white supremacists.

So now its one-sided violence Antifa vs. the police and one-sided violence Antifa vs. college campus free speech.

They dont look so good now with their plastic bottles of urine, masks and weapons.

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The people that hate him, probably.

And it's ok to alienate people who fear his Presidency? People he made promises to like the LGBT voters?

I don't think anyone hates the man. How can you hate a cartoon character?

Explantion, please?

His response was insensitve - someone had been murdered and apportioned blame on her fellow marchers.

It was partisan - in the sense that he couldn't bring himself to blame the actual culprits - the nazis. Couldn't call them what they are.

It was unprofessional for the above reasons and for the subsequent lie that he waited for the facts before mentioning the nazis. He has no problem calling out Islamist terrorism.

I think the left have very serious problems and now they have to attack his son about what he wears? This is just madness.

I literally have no idea what you're talking about. Has the left, en masse, rounded on Don Jnr for a sartorial outrage? Yes, that's petty.

and he should stand his ground and shouldn't be apologetic about referencing both groups that caused this riot last week.

Well, I'm sorry that you don't get why people are riled up over nazis and white supremacists. Apart from the usual myriad of worthy publications on the whole movement and WW2, I can recommend an excellent Pullitzer Prize winning book *Slavery by Another Name**: The Re-Enslavement of Black Americans from the Civil War to World War II* by Douglas A. Blackmon.

It's not an easy read but by zeus, everyone should try it.

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Sure, but the white supremacist rally is done. But Antifa was showing up before that and now still after that, in places where there are no white supremacists.

The POTUS that panders to the Neo-Nazis and white supremacists is still in the White House. If that's not worthy of protest, I don't know what is.

So now its one-sided violence Antifa vs. the police and one-sided violence Antifa vs. college campus free speech.

Like I said, I don't condone violence... but protesting against a speaker on a college campus IS free speech. It's when school officials cancel the speakers that free speech is obstructed (which I also don't condone btw).

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Toasted heretic: "Is this topic about Trump or someone who's not President anymore?"

hahaha... don't expect them to understand or respond to that one. Hell, GOP leaders are starting to bring up Obama's birth country issue again! haha. And lest we forget, 99% of Trump supporters start their sentence with either "Hillary" or "Obama" (the other 1% it is the second word).

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Are the liberals/leftists on JT going to unequivocally condemn the antifa black flag anarchists who can be seen in videos fighting,spitting, punching cameras, throwing bottles filled with urine and using slingshots with golfballs with nails hammered into them?

But, but, but they're holding up "Stop Hate" signs, so they must be good, right? Right?

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The POTUS that panders to the Neo-Nazis and white supremacists is still in the White House. If that's not worthy of protest, I don't know what is.

Sure, people can protest against anything they want. But why the VIOLENCE? Every protest they physically attack someone. Today was no one there to attack, so they made the bad choice to attack the police. The other day they were fighting with BLM people who are supposedly on the same 'team' they are.

Like I said, I don't condone violence... but protesting against a speaker on a college campus IS free speech. It's when school officials cancel the speakers that free speech is obstructed (which I also don't condone btw).

Once again, protest all they want. But why the violence and weapons? Setting fires, destroying public property, attacking attendees of the speeches? You make it sound like the school officials cancel the speeches voluntarily as they disapprove of the speakers or something, but they dont. They cancel it out of fear of the previous violence they have seen from Antifa or because Antifa threatens violence if the person is allowed to speak.

If you dont condone violence as the left loves to say, then you shouldn't condone violent groups either.

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Hey Blacklabel,

dont worry about the negative votes.

You'remaking the most sense here.

The anti-Trump crowd are just voting down and throwing insults.

But its not about Trump. If they assassinated Trump, they'd just start on Pence.

Its getting so ridiculous over there.

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Sure, but the white supremacist rally is done. But Antifa was showing up before that and now still after that, in places where there are no white supremacists.

Would you put money on no white supremacists being at a Trump rally?

Be honesr.

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And lest we forget, 99% of Trump supporters start their sentence with either "Hillary" or "Obama" (the other 1% it is the second word).

Its a good measurement of hypocrisy to use those names for comparison. Like when Trump does something once and people complain but then we find out Obama did the same exact thing 100 times and no one cared and actually supported it.

Comparison makes it very easy to see if there should be true outrage about something or if it is just manufactured outrage based on hatred for Trump.

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Would you put money on no white supremacists being at a Trump rally?

There were none today. There were none in Boston. Thats why Antifa is starting to look really bad and people are starting to see through their heroic Nazi fighters illusion they made for themselves to cover their true violent, anti-free speech natures.

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There were none today. There were none in Boston

Maybe not parading around with swatikas or chanting anti-Semitic filth, but I'd put money on at least some white nationalists attending Trump rallies.

He's popular with this particular crowd. I've never seen so much gush from them towards a US president.

Why is that?

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My mistake

White supremacists, not white nationalists.

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And it's ok to alienate people who fear his Presidency? People he made promises to like the LGBT voters?

He never made any promises to the Transgender community that they could serve or not in the armed forces.

I don't think anyone hates the man. How can you hate a cartoon character?

If anything that's the perfect description of congress. Even "Howard the Duck" was more entertaining.

His response was insensitve - someone had been murdered and apportioned blame on her fellow marchers.

Not her, but apparently, she wasn't part of the anarchists ANTIFA that were causing all the mayhem with the idiot Neo Nazis, they both deserve each other.

It was partisan - in the sense that he couldn't bring himself to blame the actual culprits - the nazis. Couldn't call them what they are.

He did and at this point, he should give up, if he came himself up as a sacrificial offer, it wouldn't matter to the left. They would still say the man is not contrite. He denounced it, let's move on. The haters will never be happy.

It was unprofessional for the above reasons and for the subsequent lie that he waited for the facts before mentioning the nazis. He has no problem calling out Islamist terrorism.

Give me a break! ROFL

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This is where the liberal arguments fall apart always. You can't prove anything and no one can see any evidence of it, so you just invent it.

Maybe even one of the police officers who was attacked is a secret white supremacist too? So by inventing characteristics of people that they don't even have, anything can be justified as you attack them.

For example, Trump needs to be impeached for "reasons". Not sure which reason exactly but I'm sure he is one of those things that would make him unsuitable.

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One thing James Clapper said stood out... why was Trump so anti the "Nazi" intelligence community in America and yet so reluctant to call out actual wannabe Nazis. Didn't want to upset his base I think.

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But, but, but they're holding up "Stop Hate" signs, so they must be good, right? Right?

No, good people are those who allow nazis to spread their poison, take root and become mainstream.

Good people sit by and do nothing.

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No, his base is against Nazis too.

Clapper just trying to distract from getting caught personally lying to the American people about spying on them for no acceptable reason.

The only thing more important to an American than the right to privacy is probably the right to free speech. He not only allowed the government to spy on its citizens, he seemed to actively support it.

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The one thing I can say, is that I have not seen any non-Japanese White / Black Racism here yet - the Communities appear to live together well. ... Perhaps its because we are both in the same boat together ?

If only some of the deleted posts could be dredged up!

I get what you're saying but racism comes from all corners. It's getting to the root of it all. Who benefits from division?

From rising up against the real oppressors of the ordinary people, working class people of all colors and creeds?

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Hey Blacklabel, 

dont worry about the negative votes. 

You'remaking the most sense here.

Most definitely.

The anti-Trump crowd are just voting down and throwing insults. 

Trust me, you'll wear it like a badge of honor.

But its not about Trump. If they assassinated Trump, they'd just start on Pence. 

You know they would and it wouldn't matter how he would govern, in fact, I think it would be far worse since he is a skilled politician and a strong Bible Belt conservative Christian. Also, you would have a melding of Trump and Pence policies that would make the left go completely apoplectic.

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He never made any promises to the Transgender community that they could serve or not in the armed forces.

He promised jobs for all and to protect LGBT people. He is a liar.

If anything that's the perfect description of congress. Even "Howard the Duck" was more entertaining.

Presumably you mean the comic books and not the dreadful film...

Not her, but apparently, she wasn't part of the anarchists ANTIFA that were causing all the mayhem with the idiot Neo Nazis, they both deserve each other.

Nazis and supremacists come in all shapes and sizes and different parts of the political rainbow. Just like the soldiers who fought against nazis in WW2. Or the activists who fought against segregation.

He did and at this point, he should give up, if he came himself up as a sacrificial offer, it wouldn't matter to the left. They would still say the man is not contrite. He denounced it, let's move on. The haters will never be happy.

Do you truly believe he was being contrite?

Give me a break! ROFL

Looks like I got you there; he has no qualms when it comes to Islamic terrorism - he'll tweet and mention travel bans and so on. But no such luck with the nazis.

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he is a skilled politician and a strong Bible Belt conservative Christian. Also, you would have a melding of Trump and Pence policies that would make the left go completely apoplectic.

And you'd be fine with his brand of Christianity? A Christian nation with extreme Christian values?

A theocracy, if you will.

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blacklabel: Sure, people can protest against anything they want. But why the VIOLENCE? 

You've probably condemned Antifa about 100 times since Charlotte. You've condemned the right-wing murderer in Charlotte exactly zero times. I'm not sure what you'd like us to make of that.

So we have an 85 year old law elected enforcement officer while in the performance of his duties was found in 'contempt' when he harshly interpreted what he was and was not allowed to do in his job.

I'm not sure whether to call this whitewashing, fake news, or both. I live in Arizona. Arpaio ignored a court order telling him to stop his racial profiling. His response was that the judge's order was "confusing." Everyone laughed. He was convicted, as everyone knew he would be. There was nothing unfair about his conviction, no injustice. He never even denied what he did. He appealed and he lost.

His approval ratings are less than half of what they used to be. In the last election he was soundly beaten by a Democratic candidate in a red state. It was a bipartisan effort to remove him from office.

That's a polite was of saying take your Trump mania and get the hell out of my state. Arpaio violated the civil rights of Arizonans and there is no reason whatsoever to overturn his conviction. If your response is to attack attack attack Obama, then I'll know you haven't a leg to stand on.

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I will condemn the "murderer" after a jury tells me that he is guilty as charged. I want to be sure that it was his intent and not simply a panicked response to his car being surrounded by armed protestors.

My response about Arpaio is that the previous guy pardoned a lot worse people who did a lot worse things so if Trump determines he should be pardoned then so be it.

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Oh by the way didn't Trump win "your" state? Even the popular vote so I don't have to hear all the usual electoral college excuses.

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He promised jobs for all and to protect LGBT people. He is a liar.

No, he never promised the Transgender community that they would be allowed to serve in the armed forces, especially if there are a lot of complaints coming from the men and women and from the top that it's serious problem for the overall morale then the president needs to take that into account what is best for the armed forces. Again, he was listening to his generals. That's what a leader does, they listen.

Nazis and supremacists come in all shapes and sizes and different parts of the political rainbow. Just like the soldiers who fought against nazis in WW2. Or the activists who fought against segregation.

You can make that same argument for fascists and communists.

Do you truly believe he was being contrite?

I do.

Looks like I got you there; he has no qualms when it comes to Islamic terrorism - he'll tweet and mention travel bans and so on. But no such luck with the nazis.

When the Nazis start blowing people up on a scale we see in Europe and travel abroad to engage in violent acts of international terrorism like the jihadists. Now it's true, the Nazis and the ANTIFA are domestic terrorists that should be condemned in the strongest terms. He's done that.

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It's mindless, divisive, petulant trash. It really is.

You label it perfectly. This is how normal people feel about the so called antifa. Garbage day is coming ...

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You label it perfectly. This is how normal people feel about the so called antifa. Garbage day is coming ...

Explain to me, what is "normal"?

What are you hinting at, as regards people who defy racism?

Are they not "normal"?

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Would you put money on no white supremacists being at a Trump rally?

White supremacists and Nazis have nothing to do with this. Antifa are just paid hate-filled thugs. They wrecked the Berkley campus protesting Milo, a homosexual Jew who likes black men, not exactly what I would call a typical white supremacist.

In Charlottesville, I suspect they sent the Nazi stage actors to try to give Antifa some legitimacy.

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The problem with a healthy democracy is that it requires a discourse amongst opposing views. Theocracy and tyranny only allows one view. 

To state the obvious point, our civil liberties are meaningless if they don’t protect unpopular views. It’s not the mob but the mob’s targets that need protection. More relevant is the principle that large mobs are more dangerous than small mobs, and likely to harbor more psychopaths. And any shortage of opponents will always be corrected by expanding the definition. 

Why not simply collect the neo-nazi and antifa groups, ship them off to a remote island, arm them, and allow them act out their hostilities on a pay-per-view reality television series. It could result in a budget surplus.

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You know what happens to the trash on garbage day, right?

A minority of Americans elect it president?

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They wrecked the Berkley campus protesting Milo, a homosexual Jew who likes black men, not exactly what I would call a typical white supremacist.

There is no typical facist or anti-fascist.

It is possible to be pro-Israel and an anti-semite.

Look at Bannon, for example.

http://www.haaretz.com/opinion/.premium-1.754073

http://www.timesofisrael.com/stephen-bannon-5-things-jews-need-to-know/

And Milo is a disgrace. A bigot and poster boy for the alt-right.

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I was stupid enough to watch the whole thing. What I learned (I know, I'm slow) is that one Trump rally is like any other. A bit read off the teleprompter, and a whole lot more ad libs sprinkled between to appeal to the Trump bots in the audience.

First off, let's forget the scripted bits. It's not Trump. Nobody -- left, right, center -- believes that Trump really believes in common ground, harmony, love, etc. It's so obviously fake. Just look at the facial reactions of the morons standing behind him. They tune out unless they get a bit of red meat thrown their way.

As for the ad lib parts, they were all about Trump, vacuous promises and boasts, and bullying vitriole against (especially) the media, Democrats, and Republicans who don't kiss Trump's royal backside.

I still can't believe that we actually have to comment on this guy. America's president is a total nut job.

Trump outright lied about his Charlottesville comments and the media's coverage of them. And pathological, narcissistic liars like Trump love taking their time doing so. Bored even his flock.

BTW, love the way Team Trump chose one of the few black people in the audience to stand right behind him holding up signs of BLACKS FOR TRUMP, and GOP IS NOT RACIST in the wake of Charlottesville. Real class.

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Nobody -- left, right, center -- believes that Trump really believes in common ground, harmony, love, etc. It's so obviously fake.

Any more than anyone believes that the so called antifa is working for 'common ground, harmony, love etc'. Its two groups of extremist idiots wrecking society for everyone else. Just sickening.

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No, he never promised the Transgender community that they would be allowed to serve in the armed forces, especially if there are a lot of complaints coming from the men and women and from the top that it's serious problem for the overall morale then the president needs to take that into account what is best for the armed forces. Again, he was listening to his generals. That's what a leader does, they listen.

His generals didn't even know about his proposed ban.

http://www.news24.com/World/News/pentagon-not-aware-of-trump-transgender-ban-20170726

http://edition.cnn.com/2017/07/27/politics/trump-military-transgender-ban-joint-chiefs/index.html

And as I said; he promised jobs for all. Why did he renege on that by singling out LGBT people?

You can make that same argument for fascists and communists.

Yes; that's what I meant when I said all shapes and sizes.

I do.

Clearly you have a different idea of what being contrite entails. Trump was anything but. He was visibly angry that people questioned his botched statements.

When the Nazis start blowing people up on a scale we see in Europe and travel abroad to engage in violent acts of international terrorism like the jihadists. Now it's true, the Nazis and the ANTIFA are domestic terrorists that should be condemned in the strongest terms. He's done that.

You haven't heard of David Copeland, Anders Breivik or Thomas Nair?

Antifa are not domestic terrorists and neither were the soldiers who fought the first wave of nazis in the war.

And he condemned the nazis in a beligerent, scolded child way.

That's no President. That's a disaster of disasterous proportions.

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In Charlottesville, I suspect they sent the Nazi stage actors to try to give Antifa some legitimacy

I think you posted you were "convinced" of this recently. Now you "suspect" it may be the case.

It's good to see you slipping in your conviction, but what leads you to suspect this?

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James Clapper, a former director of U.S. national intelligence, expressed concern at Trump's performance, calling it "downright scary and disturbing."

Yeah, not only Clapper, but the whole world is taking notice. Trump is a piece of work who can't even put together a proper speech. But there are some things he is admittedly good at: lying, falsifying information, bending the truth, backtracking on his previous assertions, spewing venom at the media that do not unconditionally support him but reveal the truth about him, kindling hate of minorities. The man is a danger to the nation and the world. He can't help himself, but he is a ticking time bomb who is probably going to be shut down by his own party before something catastrophic occurs.

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Any more than anyone believes that the so called antifa is working for 'common ground, harmony, love etc'. Its two groups of extremist idiots wrecking society for everyone else. Just sickening.

Oh, if only folk would leave those lovely nazis alone.

Civil Rights activists were demonised back in the day. Sadly, nothing changes.

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It's like Alan Dershowitz said, if the alt-right has to claim and be responsible for the actions of extremist white supremacists then the alt-left has to claim BLM and Antifa as the extremists on their side.

“Antifa is a radical anti-American, anti-free market, communist, socialist, hard, hard left censorial organization that tries to stop speakers on campuses from speaking,” Mr. Dershowitz said. “They use violence. And just because they’re opposed to fascism and to some of these monuments shouldn’t make them heroes of the liberals.”

http://m.washingtontimes.com/news/2017/aug/22/alan-dershowitz-violent-antifa-movement-is-trying-/

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then the alt-left has to claim BLM and Antifa as the extremists on their side.

Only if one believes that black people's lives don't actually matter and that resisting the tide of fascism is a bad thing.

Only if one is blinkered enough to equate nazism with the fight against nazism.

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I can see a hatred for nazis. You see what you want to see.

are you really still trying to say the main purpose of Antifa is to fight Nazis? so all the police attacked today are now Nazis too?

See alan derschowitz comments above for what they really are.

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In Charlottesville, I suspect they sent the Nazi stage actors to try to give Antifa some legitimacy

I think you posted you were "convinced" of this recently. Now you "suspect" it may be the case.

Wow, you actually take note of what I write! Anyway, indeed, I used "suspect" because in this case I do not have direct proof that that is what happened, but I do suspect it.

but what leads you to suspect this?

Well, in the past, groups like the ADL have been caught funding so called Nazis. And the American Nazis seem to have a habit of coming out whenever there is discussion of introducing hate-speech legislation.

So I do believe the Nazis and groups like Storm Front are fake, although I am sure they have some sincere. albeit mentally challenged, followers.

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So the police and others Antifa have attacked this year (to include BLM in Dallas) were simply attacked because they were either white supremacists or fascists?

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Where was all this neo Nazi hatred when Obama was putting Ukrainian neo nazis in positions of power?

But I guess as long as you're a democrat supporting neo nazis all is cool bra!

Just wanted to point that out. I know it doesn't matter. If the corporate MSM started reporting tomorrow that Bush Baby's are evil, we would see the same names here trying to convince us that Bush Baby's are evil and must be eradicated.

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A minority of Americans elect it president?

Coming from the left, that's means: we have nothing else to go on And zero policies of our own. Keep trying, shouldn't have squandered the last 8 years.

First off, let's forget the scripted bits. It's not Trump. Nobody -- left, right, center -- believes that Trump really believes in common ground, harmony, love, etc. It's so obviously fake.

Says the far left. Ok, we got it. Lol

Just look at the facial reactions of the morons standing behind him. They tune out unless they get a bit of red meat thrown their way.

I can go on YouTube and find knuckleheads from the previous candidate and the previous president that had piles of morons coming out of the woodworks. A lot of smh moments.

I am reall staring to feel bad for the left. Ouch!

As for the ad lib parts, they were all about Trump, vacuous promises and boasts, and bullying vitriole against (especially) the media, Democrats, and Republicans who don't kiss Trump's royal backside.

Who cares what the Washington establishment thinks, they don't have to kiss his backside, he's the president, not the king, we had that already.

I still can't believe that we actually have to comment on this guy. America's president is a total nut job.

Get used to it. Now the left understands what many of us felt with the previous president and even if he were to get kicked out of office, you guys would really lose yourselves with Pence. Careful now....

Trump outright lied about his Charlottesville comments and the media's coverage of them. And pathological, narcissistic liars like Trump love taking their time doing so. Bored even his flock.

What did he lie about? Oh, what great unforgivable sin are the left accusing him of this time?

BTW, love the way Team Trump chose one of the few black people in the audience to stand right behind him holding up signs of BLACKS FOR TRUMP, and GOP IS NOT RACIST in the wake of Charlottesville. Real class.

The GOP are not racist, they emancipated the slaves, the Dems didn't even want to sign the civil rights act, put Blacks on permanent government dependence. The worst thing that could have ever happen to Blacks is the Democratic Party. Ever since LBJ's great society, the social economic situation of Blacks has worsened over the years. The Dems would never teach self-reliance.

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Wow, you actually take note of what I write! Anyway, indeed, I used "suspect" because in this case I do not have direct proof

Yes, I remember because I asked for evidence of a very serious claim which would have changed the perspective of the argument.

When someone is "convinced", I expect very, very good evidence.

Your evidence is very poor here as it was zero then.

You want to believe this idea and if you're honest with yourself, you'd admit it. Why you want to believe it is another question worth asking yourself.

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are you really still trying to say the main purpose of Antifa is to fight Nazis? so all the police attacked today are now Nazis too?

Take a look at the strike breakers, the agent provocateurs, the politically alligned ward cops, the Pinkertons, the self-avowed racists, the sheriffs in the south following the civil war, the cops who fire on students, the cops who murder, who fit up innocent people. Not unreasonable for people to see them as the enemy.

Of course there are plenty who sign up with admirable hopes to change the system and fair play to them.

See alan derschowitz comments above for what they really are.

Mmm. I've linked earlier to Bannon and Alan. Strange bedfellows. And very far removed from what's happening.

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Jimizo, do you have any evidence the nazi groups are sincere?

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Coming from the left, that's means: we have nothing else to go on And zero policies of our own. Keep trying, shouldn't have squandered the last 8 years.

Coming from the left, coming from the left...humm, so for you... nobody from the right is against hate and racism ?

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Wow, you actually take note of what I write! Anyway, indeed, I used "suspect" because in this case I do not have direct proof that that is what happened, but I do suspect it.

Ah; gut feeling. Must be right. Not conspiracy theory at all...

Well, in the past, groups like the ADL have been caught funding so called Nazis.

Uh oh. Alarm bells.

And the American Nazis seem to have a habit of coming out whenever there is discussion of introducing hate-speech legislation.

A bit more often than that but go on..

So I do believe the Nazis and groups like Storm Front are fake, although I am sure they have some sincere. albeit mentally challenged, followers.

Nazis are fake? Stormfront was just an imaginary organisation?

Ok, I'm calling it a day. Over to the night shift :-)

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There is a mental sickness in our society.  It's just a lot more noticeable these days to those with some actual sanity and firm grasp of reality these days.  

A healthy society is the foundation for a healthy and strong country.   Our society is NOT healthy, and our country is spiritually and morally weak which leads to our current lack of leadership, integrity, and dignity the world over.   The rest of the world see's this and our country will pay very dearly for it.   Keep up the stupidity, it's how failed governments destroy themselves.

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Jimizo, do you have any evidence the nazi groups are sincere?

No, I don't. I'm working from the assumption that people parading around with swatikas are sincere until it's proven otherwise. Would you accept an argument stating that Antifa are insincere and planted by the right to give the left a bad name? No? Neither would I.

The onus is on you to support your claim which would change the focus of this argument dramatically.

You haven't offered anything at all substantial to back up your claim.

Drop the "I'm convinced that" or "I suspect that", and go with the more honest "I'd prefer to believe that" on this issue.

It's more appropriate and accurate.

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Blacklabel: My response about Arpaio is that the previous guy pardoned

Your response about Trump's position on Arpaio is to ignore Arpaio. Just as your response to white supremacists is to ignore them. Just as your response to the murderer is to ignore him, too.

Again, I'm not sure how you'd like us to take that. It seems when a white person murders or a white person strips minorities of their civil rights, you start talking about black protestors and the previous black president.

I think you have some soul searching to do about your part in the racial divide in the US right now. You just can't seem to stop attack minorities, even when your guys are in the headlines for doing bad things.

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The GOP are not racist, they emancipated the slaves

This is not the 1860s.

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Everybody should protest against hate and racism it is a worldwide duty of the modern citizen, we are all watchdog(s) to avoid history to repeat itself, left or right does not matter...only haters and racist will refuse to protest against hate and racism.

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A definition of what might be called "Trumpism" is rapidly evolving. It contains a law and two corollaries. The law is absolute obedience to Trump. The first corollary is that this will not necessarily save you - he'll throw you under the bus in an instance if it suits his mood. The second corollary is that there exists no ideology. When you hitch your car to this train, you will never know your destination.

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"A house divided against itself cannot stand" may be true...

But by this point it's clear Trump not only wants to bring down the house, he wants to personally burn it down by fanning the flames of hate to do the job.

America's always been on a razor's edge but just enough right people on both sides kept it aloft, then Trump came along and gave a great big shove.

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The problem with racists is that they think if they're nice people then they can be racist.

https://thenypost.files.wordpress.com/2017/08/gettyimages-830617844.jpg?quality=90&strip=all&w=1328&h=882&crop=1

"I hope that the people sharing the photo are willing to listen that I’m not the angry racist they see in that photo. I came to this march for the message that white European culture has a right to be here just like every other culture."

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Take a look at the strike breakers, the agent provocateurs, the politically alligned ward cops, the Pinkertons,

Funny how the GOP had to go to war with Democrats to free the slaves and once again in 2017 they're trying to break the chains of government social dependency.

the self-avowed racists, the sheriffs in the south following the civil war, the cops who fire on students, the cops who murder, who fit up innocent people.

Ok, since the Klan was the creation of the left and that this group strived to keep Blacks at the end of the bus and now they think they they courted almost 13% of them that they are friends of Black community? Blacks and the Dems have nothing in common to be honest. Most Blacks are against abortion, church going people, are against gay marriage. Nothing in common at all.

I think you have some soul searching to do about your part in the racial divide in the US right now. You just can't seem to stop attack minorities, even when your guys are in the headlines for doing bad things.

Relax....It's all in the imaginary Unicornverse

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bass4funkToday  09:53 pm JST

Take a look at the strike breakers, the agent provocateurs, the politically alligned ward cops, the Pinkertons,

Funny how the GOP had to go to war with Democrats to free the slaves...

You mean those Southern Democrats who were all won over by the Republicans at the end of the 60s?

...and once again in 2017 they're trying to break the chains of government social dependency.

But not doing a very good job. Of anything.

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Where was all this neo Nazi hatred when Obama was putting Ukrainian neo nazis in positions of power?

But I guess as long as you're a democrat supporting neo nazis all is cool bra!

Uhh, Neo-Nazis were never cool, bra. We didn't need the MSM to tell us that either. Most people probably weren't aware about the Ukranian neo-Nazis. I admit, I wasn't. Were you before Assange's recent tweets?

I'm sure you can understand why Americans would be more aware of and concerned about neo-Nazis gathering in the cities where they live. I'm also sure that Obama had reasons to "support" those Ukrainian neo-Nazis that were a bit more complex than filling seats at rallies.

It's not the MSM's criticism of Trump that's the problem, it's their lack of it concerning Trump's desire to escalate tensions in Afghanistan and Pakistan. I don't see you complaining about that either.

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Trump was the elected representative of the peoples of the US.

The opposition appear to have hounded him from day 1 and have led to his Presidency being placed into Jeopardy.

Who is that helping ?

Certainly not the US ? Seems to me, they are now the laughing stock of the World - not because of Trump, but because of the reaction within the US by certain parties.

I somewhat feel sorry for the Guy. He had great plans, but those who he rallied against, have united against him, in order to protect their ways. What is Democracy these days anyway ?

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Seems to me, they are now the laughing stock of the World - not because of Trump

What world do you live in? It's because of Trump. Period.

I somewhat feel sorry for the Guy. He had great plans

Name one in detail. I can't blame you if you can't, because the man himself has never detailed one.

What is Democracy these days anyway ?

Seeing as how the less popular candidate with less votes won, flawed. But still salvageable.

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Trump and his people:

http://i2.cdn.cnn.com/cnnnext/dam/assets/170820100216-camp-david-twitter-photo-exlarge-169.jpg

There would be more minorities in the picture if they were smart enough to join the GOP. Or so that's what I'm told.

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You mean those Southern Democrats who were all won over by the Republicans at the end of the 60s?

Yeah, Dems try that, next you'll say that they freed and emancipated the slaves as well. ROFL.

The left created slavery? Are you serious?

Always am.

Slavery never ended in the south, btw. Laws were brought in to convict black people on the slightest of misdemeanours and were then sold to coal/industry as prisoners and worked to death. That's not left; that's your glorious capitalism.

So why did Democrats create the Jim Crow laws to continually oppress Blacks? Why doesn't the Democratic Party teach self-reliance and make it their cornerstone argument to create a strong and entrepreneurial community?

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Certainly not the US ? Seems to me, they are now the laughing stock of the World - not because of Trump, but because of the reaction within the US by certain parties.

No, it is Trump. It really is Trump.

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Were you before Assange's recent tweets?

Yes, from the beginning. That's why all this sudden stomach ache by the corporate war loving MSM and their followers is very pathetic to me.

http://www.moonofalabama.org/2014/02/a-few-ukraine-coup-links.html#comments

And I don't see Black Lives Matter or the war loving corporate MSM paying any attention to the 18 black people murdered in Chicago just this month.

As far as Afghanistan and Pakistan, it seems Trump has been neutered by the deep state war loving globalists bent on US hegemony, just as every US President has been going back to Ronald Reagan.

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That's why all this sudden stomach ache by the corporate war loving MSM and their followers is very pathetic to me.

Again, hating on neo-Nazi's isn't new. Them being emboldened by a president who needs to be pressured into denouncing them is. Sure the MSM should've covered the Ukrainian neo-Nazis more, but why is it pathetic that they cover the American ones?

And I don't see Black Lives Matter or the war loving corporate MSM paying any attention to the 18 black people murdered in Chicago just this month.

You clearly don't understand what BLM is about. Black people being murdered by criminals is different from black people being murdered by cops. Both are problems, but BLM focuses on the lives taken by people who are supposed to protect and serve and who, unlike criminals, have a pattern of not facing justice.

As far as Afghanistan and Pakistan, it seems Trump has been neutered by the deep state war loving globalists bent on US hegemony, just as every US President has been going back to Ronald Reagan.

Neutered? When was Trump anti-war?

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Neutered? When was Trump anti-war?

He was always against war, he pounced on Bush so many times, too many to count.

but BLM focuses on the lives taken by people who are supposed to protect and serve and who, unlike criminals, have a pattern of not facing justice.

That might be true to a point and there are some people in the movement that might be sincere, but overall, they have grown to be a group that inflames and invites violence on cops in universities. Shouting "what do we want? Dead cops! When do we want it? Now!" That carries a lot of wait and if you are not careful some people will literally take those words and act on them. Happened numerous times already. That group has members that hikacked it and now often aligning themselves with the ANTIFA. That's bad.

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Astonishing ... he became completely unglued and unhinged on live TV ... it was like the WWF, only the ring was missing ... it showed that TV is the only world he understands ... pathetic attempt to airbrush history -- pretty useless in the age of video (easy to show what you REALLY said) ... "I love everybody" -- and then he calls the protesters "anarchists" -- mister, they are trying to put a stop to YOUR anarchy ... the most un-presidential spectacle any American has EVER witnessed.

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Life is way too short.W

You pretend as if you are not involved here.

With each day that Trump is in power, the chance only increases that life is gonna be a whole lot shorter for a whole lotta people a whole lot sooner than anyone, except Trump's nihilist fan boys, want.

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Trump looked at a white supremacist rally where white supremacists were inspired by his rhetoric, where white supremacists believed his weak/late condemnations proved he was on their side, where a white supremacist murdered in cold blood an innocent woman and other white supremacists cheered it as a victory...

...and somehow imagined himself to be the biggest victim of it all.

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"I didn't say I love you because you're black, or I love you because you're white," Trump said. "I love all the people of our country."

Except for Muslims and Mexicans right?

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"I didn't say I love you because you're black, or I love you because you're white," Trump said. "I love all the people of our country."

Except for Muslims and Mexicans right?

When has he ever said otherwise about Mexicans and Muslims who are in the country legally and peacefully?

When?

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we find out Obama did the same exact thing 100 times and no one cared and actually supported it.

For example?

You pretend as if you are not involved here.

Because I don't feel the need to waste time watching a senile toddler having yet another tantrum? I don't need to watch Trump doing what he does yet again, to know that he's the worst president the US has ever had (I never thought I'd be saying that so soon after BabyBush). Any more than I need to repeatedly watch the gory videos of livestock farming, abattoirs and puppy mills that find their way into my inbox and FB page, to know that I strongly oppose all forms of animal abuse.

Better surely to spend time trying to stop the train crash, than simply watching the train careering down the track out of control. Not that there's much we non-Americans outside the US can do about the man child the American voters elected to put in the White House and who, judging by the posts on this and other threads, a goodly number still support bigly. Any helpful suggestions would be welcome.

When has he ever said otherwise about Mexicans and Muslims who are in the country legally and peacefully?

Off the top of my head - He didn't sound very loving towards the Mexican-American judge working the Trump University case.

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Trump looked at a white supremacist rally where white supremacists were inspired by his rhetoric, where white supremacists believed his weak/late condemnations proved he was on their side,

It did??? And your sure of this because......

Look, I used to think the left are just plain old sore losers, but now they are starting to freak me out with their whacked conspiracy theories.

where a white supremacist murdered in cold blood an innocent woman and other white supremacists cheered it as a victory...

No one claimed they're the smartest room in the bunch. But what about the fascist ANTIFA that wanted to fight the Nazis and were the catalyst that started the altercation and taunts? What bothers me about this is how the left are using this poor girls death for their political agenda and the woman was just a normal protester not radical

...and somehow imagined himself to be the biggest victim of it all.

Trump is the victim of a very nasty and politically driven establishment that is trying its best to oversee his downfall, most definitely.

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where a white supremacist murdered in cold blood an innocent woman and other white supremacists cheered it as a victory...

Bass: No one claimed they're the smartest room in the bunch. But

Woah. Did you just say they aren't the smartest? That's the strongest condemnation Ive heard from the right about the white supremacists on this entire message board since Charlotte.

How about that?

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Woah. Did you just say they aren't the smartest?

Yes, I did and that goes for ALL these protest groups from the Neo Nazis, fascists, anarchists, communists, BLM ALL of them.

That's the strongest condemnation Ive heard from the right about the white supremacists on this entire message board since Charlotte.

How about that?

That's because you were only focused on what you wanted to see and hear. I'm used to it, it's typical of the left to have selective hearing. But I have always from the beginning condemned the Neo Nazis AS WELL AS THE ANTIFA. Please mark that down so that we are clear. They are all low level deplorable degenerates.

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bass4funkToday  08:03 am JST

...and somehow imagined himself to be the biggest victim of it all.

Trump is the victim of a very nasty and politically driven establishment that is trying its best to oversee his downfall, most definitely.

What, the establishment that you said you needed sometimes although you wouldn't or couldn't explain why? Anyway, if anyone is trying to oversee his downfall he's giving them plenty of help.

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What, the establishment that you said you needed sometimes although you wouldn't or couldn't explain why?

I did explain it. Good morning, sir. I hate the establishment, I hate carrots, but sometimes you have to eat what's good for you even if you don't like or want it.

Anyway, if anyone is trying to oversee his downfall he's giving them plenty of help.

No, it's just the left can't get over their loss and are still crying about it. Leave the forests alone! I like trees.

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All of you Trump supporters who are trying to blame the 'left' for attacking the nazi's, let me just say this to you. If a fascist group comes marching into your town, or indeed any town, trying to intimidate the local minorities and shouting their hate, they totally deserve to get attacked. They should be beaten down and chased out of town. This is not a fight for free speech, it's a fight for decency.

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Trump has many flaws. Many. He's a terrible politician. He’s a horrible person (probably). What scares me, though, is that the left are using Trump’s flaws as their excuse execute and expedite an agenda (currently, of hatred & control) that will change America forever. It happened the moment he won the election. The fear and rage coming from the left. It’s almost like Trump was put in place for this to happen (not that I think this is true). It’s fascinating to watch it happen. I wonder how quickly it will spread? Scratch a liberal and a fascist bleeds.

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Bass: Yes, I did and that goes for ALL these protest groups from the Neo Nazis, fascists, anarchists, communists, BLM ALL of them.

Me too.

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"I didn't say I love you because you're black, or I love you because you're white," Trump said. "I love all the people of our country."

@John Brown

I recommend you watch the speech, at least the part where your quote was taken from. You see, this is why we call it "fake news", because he didn't JUST say black and white, but many MANY other races and nationalities. This REUTERS article has decided to edit that part. Why? Gee, I wonder.

Maybe you dislike Trump, that's OK. But I hope you might discover how the corporate MSM are creating this divide and then trying to blame, this divide, on Trump. If you need solid proof of this corporate/deep state division attack against Trump, just go to Yahoo news page with an open mind, and you see all you need to know.

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Trump has many flaws. Many. He's a terrible politician. He’s a horrible person (probably). What scares me, though, is that the left are using Trump’s flaws as their excuse execute and expedite an agenda

Maybe those fears have some grounds, but I think you should focus for now on the clear and present danger this atrocious character poses to our world.

His flaws are terrifying.

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 If a fascist group comes marching into your town, or indeed any town, trying to intimidate the local minorities and shouting their hate, they totally deserve to get attacked.

That's the corporate MSM talking. Those crazy neo-nazi's have been doing this, getting permits first, for 3 decades, with counter protestors showing up. Most of the time in the past it's just a shouting match because the police keeps the peace.

So, what changed Charlottesville?

In Charlottesville, the police were ORDERED to stand down after making sure these two groups were face to face. Very odd wouldn't you say? Please take a moment and think about what was going through the Mayor of Charlottesville's mind when he, FIRST, declared the Robert E. Lee statue protest to be illegal and made the protestors leave the park, and then Second, told the police to stand down, causing these two groups to face each other in the streets. Very odd for some people, very clear for me what was planned.

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His flaws are terrifying.

Really? Such as?

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bass4funkToday  08:03 am JST

But what about the fascist ANTIFA that wanted to fight the Nazis 

Yeah. "What about" the people who wanted to fight Nazis? America spent ~200,000 lived defeating the Nazis in World War 2, the only war in living memory where America fairly unambiguously held the moral high ground. Maybe you and Trump are right, and the problem with this whole conversation is we've not spent enough time considering the feelings of fascists who want to deny other Americans the right to exist if they don't have the right (reich) ancestry. Why yes, when you put it like that, it does sound like both sides were at fault. /roll

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You see, this is why we call it "fake news"...

There you go again... Do you call Trump "fake president"? Because while the MSM might leave certain details out, Trump makes details up and tells boldfaced lies. Regularly.

he didn't JUST say black and white, but many MANY other races and nationalities. This REUTERS article has decided to edit that part.

And Trump edited out the part where he said there's good people among the neo-Nazis when quoting himself. Funny how he demonizes the news media in broad strokes, but looks for the good among bigots after one of them kills someone. He also claimed that the media is trying to take away our history and heritage (i.e., lied and sowed more division).

If you need solid proof of this corporate/deep state division attack against Trump...

If division is part of some deep state agenda, Trump is giving them a really easy time. I agree, there's problems with the MSM, but their criticism of Trump isn't one of them. He's was always a terrible, divisive choice for the office, and the media had nothing to do with that.

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Maybe you and Trump are right, and the problem with this whole conversation is we've not spent enough time considering the feelings of fascists who want to deny other Americans the right to exist if they don't have the right (reich) ancestry. Why yes, when you put it like that, it does sound like both sides were at fault. /roll

Nonesense, nowadays between the idiot Neo Nazis and the ANTIFA is that they are both violent and need to be shunned and condemned in the strongest terms, is im that sense they are the same and they both deserve each other.

And if the left doesn't want to acknowledge these moonbats, we will be here to remind them.

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His flaws are terrifying.

Really? Such as?

He's ignorant.

He's a spoiled brat who reacts like a child to criticism.

He's spiteful.

I regard these three as his most critical flaws but I could go on.

What about Obama? Is not an answer.

Where are the dems these days? Is not an answer.

ROFL/LMAO/LOL at least shows you are dealing with the points made in some way.

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He's ignorant.

You just summed up pretty much every politician. And?

He's a spoiled brat who reacts like a child to criticism.

To a point, but Hillary and Obama were equally acting like spoiled brats

All three have big egos, nothing new.

He's spiteful.

Anyone would be if you have 98% of the media desperately trying to pull you down and have a party so unhinged that they gave up every moral and ethical and decency codes to undermine, put you down and get you out of office, slandering you at every step, criticizing every single move you make, yeah, I don't blame him one bit and glad that he's not taking it, he shouldn't, I wouldn't that's for sure.

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What about Obama? Is not an answer. 

Bush wasn't either and yet for 8 years you guys talked about him daily as if he had never left office and now, the left doesn't want Obama's name mentioned? It makes them feel bad?

Give me a break!

Where are the dems these days? Is not an answer. 

I see, but where are they? They keep shouting and whine non-stop, but where are they and where is their master leader Perez? Lol

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More info about our noble Antifa Nazi fighters in the 'peaceful' Boston rally.

http://www.bostonherald.com/news/local_coverage/2017/08/violence_at_common_rally_detailed_at_arraignments?amp

As cops in riot gear began pushing back the crowd with their batons and shields, “they were met with violent resistance,” the reports state. One riot cop’s face shield was cracked, while protesters tried to rip off the officers’ protective gear and grabbed one officer’s radio.

arraignment yesterday of 18 of the 33 people who were arrested Saturday indicate a large-scale outbreak of violence in what was otherwise widely hailed as a peaceful protest by 40,000 counterdemonstrators.

When police used pepper spray to disperse the crowd, Pettey began throwing punches at the police and reached for a knife, the report says.

....allegedly bloodied his knuckles after punching several people in the crowd on Boston Common, police said. He is also alleged to have had a large folding knife in his pocket.

After being arrested, the police stated, another man defecated in a holding cell, smeared feces on the walls and kicked and banged the door of the cell.

The alt-left needs to disavow such violence against police and free speech demonstrators.

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Antifa even beat up a fellow Antifa member based only on how he looked, they 'thought' he was a Nazi then later found out he was on their side.

http://www.dailywire.com/news/20089/oops-antifa-beats-hell-out-fellow-protester-they-amanda-prestigiacomo#exit-modal

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Trump makes details up and tells boldfaced lies. Regularly.

All of them do that. C'mon. I don't want to go back and forth please. If we can't have a reasonable logical discussion them I'm out.

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The war loving corporate MSM has NEVER gone after a President like this before.

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Maybe those fears have some grounds, but I think you should focus for now on the clear and present danger this atrocious character poses to our world.

His flaws are terrifying.

I think the reaction to his flaws (mass hysteria) is more of a danger.

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wow a lot of Antifa love in here. 6 downvotes for a video that shows Antifa people mad at each other because someone beat up the wrong guy? Of course predictably, the ACLU is now suing for the rights of Antifa:

The ACLU said it has “received many complaints” from individuals who were “taken by surprise when the police bombarded them with chemical irritants, with no warning.”

Yes, I bet they were surprised. Antifa is supposed to be allowed to attack anyone and everyone they want while the police are ordered to 'stand down'. Not this time fellas.

“The health risks associated with deploying so-called ‘nonlethal’ weapons cannot be understated. Tear gas and pepper spray can have devastating health effects.”

Yes, the health effects are that those make your brain function in a different way. The way that your brain tells you that you shouldnt be attacking police and should go home.

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Oh, very last thing. The guy in the picture at the top of this article who is holding the big sign that says 'Stop Hate'.

I saw a better picture of this elsewhere. You know what his T-shirt says? Its a hateful message personally against Donald Trump. You cant make this up.

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All of them do that. C'mon.

Not like Trump. False equivalency.

The war loving corporate MSM has NEVER gone after a President like this before.

We've NEVER had a president like Trump before. Day one in office, he lies about his inaugural crowd size and goes off on the media for calling him out. He makes false claims about election fraud when HE WON. He has to be pressured into denouncing the KKK... C'mon. And that's not even the half of it. The media's failure in the criticism department is that it can't keep up.

I don't want to go back and forth please. If we can't have a reasonable logical discussion them I'm out.

What reasonable logical discussion? It seems like you just want to tell us how much smarter you are than the rest of us MSM sheeple. If you want reasonable logical discussion, try actually responding to my points. "All politicians are liars" and "everything the MSM says is fake" are not reasonable or logical and are cop outs to actual discussion.

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Many posts here commenting on the drivel of incoherent mess emanating from Trump. Unfortunately, his rally speeches don't need to be coherent. They only need to contain certain key words & phrases repeated over and over - the exact same words and phrases being used over and over on Breitbart. It's an act of mass hypnosis, and this is how it's done; the intended audience is the 30-something percent who believe anything he says, and the goal is to keep them that way. In that light, his absurd 'speeches' are actually very effective, with the proof in the pudding.

@blacklabel

Its a good measurement of hypocrisy to use those names for comparison. Like when Trump does something once and people complain but then we find out Obama did the same exact thing

Haha. Indeed. Like when Obama did something, Trump attacked him on Twitter for it, and then did the same thing himself once elected, laying his hypocrisy bare and yet his 'hypocrisy hating' supporters don't mind Trump's hypocrisy.

It's like Alan Dershowitz said, if the alt-right has to claim and be responsible for the actions of extremist white supremacists then the alt-left has to claim BLM and Antifa as the extremists on their side

False equivalency. There is no such thing as the 'alt-left', whereas the alt-right is the name white supremacists have chosen for themselves in an intentional rebranding.

The alt-left needs to disavow such violence against police and free speech demonstrators

Asking a non-existent entity to do something is unlikely to produce results.

@Raw Beer

indeed, I used "suspect" because in this case I do not have direct proof that that is what happened, but I do suspect it.

On the say-so of Alex "Performance Artist" Jones? Don't worry, I'm sure he sells he some hormone pills you could use a substitute for the complete lack of substance or evidence for the claim.

@Fizzbit

Where was all this neo Nazi hatred when Obama was putting Ukrainian neo nazis in positions of power?

It was absent because that only happened on Russia Today.

@bass

He was always against war, he pounced on Bush so many times, too many to count

Indeed. And he then pounced on Obama for inheriting Bush's mess and not getting out of it. And now, lo and behold, Trump then inherits the same mess and declares he's going steaming back in. Shameless hypocrisy from a man with no shame whatsoever.

Anyone would be if you have 98% of the media desperately trying to pull you down

You seriously make Fox News and Breitbart out to be only 2% of the media?

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There is no such thing as the 'alt-left',

Yes, I understand your side would like that to be true. But if there is an alt-right where the extremists on one side are, then there has to be an alt-left when the extremists on the other side are.

Otherwise, you have to tell everyone that BLM and Antifa are part of the mainstream Democratic party and their ideas, rhetoric and propensity for violence are accepted and supported by you all. Is that the case? Probably not as I dont see Chuck Schumer or Nancy Pelosi marching with Antifa or BLM. So alt-left it is.

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http://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-sf-white-protest-20170823-story.html

I like how the media and the police seem to have already determined that any protest that Antifa shows up at, the other side is automatically white supremacists. Despite the group holding the rally saying:

“no extremists will be allowed in” to its Liberty Weekend events. It continues: “No Nazis, Communists, KKK, Antifa, white supremacists, i.e. or white nationalists.”

Joey Gibson, the Patriot Prayer’s leader, says the group supports “freedom, love and peace.”

As a commenter there said 'So is any group that protests in the name of something that the left despises, like liberty, faith, conservatism, etc. to be labeled "white supremacist" speech?'

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The war loving corporate MSM has NEVER gone after a President like this before.

Screw the MSM you love to lay all fault on.  I'm an unaffiliated non-partisan US citizen, and as I've said since the beginning to the end, he's not fit to be president.   He's made it pretty obvious himself.  

He's petty, arrogant, narcissistic, selfish, inexperienced and incomprahensive when it comes to even the most basic social problems in our country.    Some thought that having a business man would magically make our country run like a business, which once again is not how a COUNTRY works... at all.   I tried to give him a chance when he won the "election".

People need to be educated, he put a wealthy crone in the Department of Education to push her agenda for to make more federal (taxpayers) cash to "for profit" schools, when her main duty in the Department of Education is to make sure US citizens are educated well enough for competitive jobs and ensure continued economic growth in the future.   FAIL.

US Citizens need access to clean water, habitable environments that keep people HEALTHY.   He puts another wealthy corporate hack in the EPA to tear down those pesky regulations so US citizens can quite easily become less healthy and suffer from MORE sickness due to the industrialists not having to pay as much attention to their hazardous wastes and other byproducts of manufacturing because "It saves them money!"  Never mind that it costs the health of the people who may buy their products/services, and causes more workers health problems who work for them so they'll end up paying for their healthcare in the end due to job related illnesses, or contaminated lands that are no longer habitable.   FAIL.

Then the Department of Energy... another wealthy corporate hack whose only goal is to promote non-renewable and increasingly obsolete fossil fuel usage so he ends up being shocked when he finds out that's not what that job position does.  FAIL.

Then Trump tries to pass a budget plan that screws over every single US citizen in this country that doesn't make a 6 figure income after taxes because, "He doesn't see any results" as in "I thought these were for profits... there are no profits".    They were federal programs meant to uplift and support those struggling with various setbacks and opportunities that many need to even survive.  There are federal programs that are meant to encourage inspiration (Arts), innovative thinking and new ideas(educational/intellectual programs),   He fails to understand that it's not for financial profit at all.   It's for making sure our citizens are supported so they can become better, and potentially more productive in the future.  FAIL.

He stated he was going to replace ACA instead of fixing it . Which the GOP arrogantly tries to pass as Obamacare, and yet they were the ones that negotiated it to be what it is right now to get it passed by Obama in the FIRST PLACE.  So while he's going around crapping that up. Insurance becomes so costly that even corporations are complaining about the costs.

He opens his mouth during diplomatic travels and completely embarasses our nation as the REPRESENTATIVE of the PEOPLE of our country!  Even Bush Jr. had more tact than this fool ever has, and I really didn't have any grudge or utter dislike for Bush despite some of his shortcomings.   But with Trump I've never despised such a foul human being somehow managing to become the "leader" of our country and leading it to ruin because of it.

Don't even try to pull that BS that Trump is being bullied.   He's an ignorant golden spooned spoiled brat that is so used to a life of luxury, he doesn't know what's really going on with the US citizens that work for a living from the working poor to the middle class.   Ignore it if you will, but as I said, I really really get enraged when people try to promote destruction of the very structure that tries to promote our country towards a productive, healthy, happy society towards a better future to a despotic political wasteland filled with ignorant rubes glorifying a foolish and ignorant dimwit.    

As a Gen X'er, who still wants to see a future for himself, Gen Y, Gen Z, and even the Millennial generation (and the ones that come after).   I'm tired of this ultra regressive baby boomer BS.   We want a FUTURE that is not a man made hell on earth.

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I understand your side would like that to be true

This sentence merely indicates what you want to be true, not that you understand anything. "Your side"... and what "side" would that be? Who am I? What ad hominem group are you inserting me into as a way of avoiding the point I made?

if there is an alt-right where the extremists on one side are, then there has to be an alt-left when the extremists on the other side are

There is no truth or sound logic to this statement. The existence of one does not make the existence of the other a reality.

The alt-right are a self-declared, self-labelled group, formed with the mission statement of repackaging white supremacy as an acceptable mainstream position. We know who they are because they told us. There is no comparable "alt-left"; rather than being anything if substance, that is just an attempt to create a label which can then be used for ad hominem attacks.

Otherwise, you have to tell everyone that BLM and Antifa are part of the mainstream Democratic party and their ideas, rhetoric and propensity for violence are accepted and supported by you all

I have to do no such thing.

"You all"... who all?

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"Your side"... and what "side" would that be?

The side who desperately wants to claim there is no 'alt-left' while at the same time blaming all conservatives for what only the 'alt-right' did.

formed with the mission statement of repackaging white supremacy as an acceptable mainstream position.

But it isnt and will never be, that is why they are called the 'alt-right', to distinguish them from the mainstream conservatives and the GOP.

Ok, so your point is the Antifa and BLM are part of the core of the Democratic party along with everyone else. No extremists on the liberal side? Ok, thats fine but your whole party now owns their behavior, rhetoric and ideology.

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Alan Dershowitz is a Democrat and a very smart man. If he says BLM and Antifa are the hard, hard left it seems you should listen. Make a name for those type of extremist Democrats so that your core Democratic supporters dont have to be connected with them.

But then again Schumer, Pelosi, et all have never really disavowed either group or the violence they bring so maybe this is just how the Dem party thinks? Anti-free speech and physical violence against any dissenting opinion, 'Nazi' or regular conservative. Just beat up anyone who disagrees with you, especially in Dem run cities where the leader can make the police stand down.

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if there is an alt-right where the extremists on one side are, then there has to be an alt-left when the extremists on the other side are

There is no truth or sound logic to this statement. The existence of one does not make the existence of the other a reality.

Added to which, even if the 'extremists on the other side' do exist, it doesn't follow that anyone who doesn't support one side must support the other; or that anyone who is not a fully-paid-up member of one side must be a fully-paid-up member of the other side.

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"all fault on." ??

Hardly

Nice post though. I recommend you copy and save it, and post it three and a half years from now. Until then, anyone but Hillary. Who, if it slipped your mind, stole the nomination from Mr. Sanders, which the war loving MSM hardly made an issue out of.

Here's a question. If Hillary had won, and it later came out that she illegally stole the nomination from Sanders, would that not be grounds for impeachment?

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The war loving corporate MSM has NEVER gone after a President like this before.

Takes two to tango. Trump pretty early on declared all out war on all media which didn't like him. Corporate, war-loving MSM Fox News soon joined his fold and they are, I assume, not 'fake news' in his eyes.

He also declared all out war on decency, dignity, mature behaviour, knowledge, facts and pretty much anything regarded as presidential conduct.

I know you process things much more deeply than the brainwashed sheep here. Please give us links to your sites so that we can join you on your lofty perch.

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The war loving corporate MSM has NEVER gone after a President like this before.

NEVER!

Takes two to tango. Trump pretty early on declared all out war on all media which didn't like him. Corporate, war-loving MSM Fox News soon joined his fold and they are, I assume, not 'fake news' in his eyes. 

The the difference with FNC like them or not, at least they give him a fair shot and pundits like him and some don't. You won't get that from any other media because the left wants everyone to follow them like lemming off a cliff.

He also declared all out war on decency, dignity, mature behaviour, knowledge, facts and pretty much anything regarded as presidential conduct. 

No, he's declared war on corporate and Washington lies, greed, political correctness, identity gender politics, progressive indoctrination and everything that the left think makes you worthless of life.

I know you process things much more deeply than the brainwashed sheep here.

I'll admit this as bad as the GOP are, they at least don't follow in lock step. That could be seen as either a plus or a negative. They could follow the Democrats way and just all fall in line no matter what or no matter the consequences.

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I know you process things much more deeply than the brainwashed sheep here. Please give us links to your sites so that we can join you on your lofty perch.

Ha. Touche

He also declared all out war on decency, dignity, mature behaviour, knowledge, facts and pretty much anything regarded as presidential conduct.

presidential conduct eh?

I'd like to ask you Jimizo, which do you hate more, Trump or war. If you hate Trump more, then I really don't know what to say. If you hate war more, then how can you or others criticize Trump for what he's doing internationally. Bush, Clinton, Bush Jr., Obama. These are all liars and war criminals IMO, backed up by the MSM always. It wasn't until just a few days ago when Bannon left and Trump gave the war powers to the Generals. The MSM did not fire a salvo at him. Why? Gee....I wonder. The only difference about Trump and Hillary is that troop increases to Afghanistan would have happened 6 months ago IMO. Sanders? Probably not. Would I have voted for Sanders? Possibly, after getting a feeling of the voters during the Presidential runoff, meaning, would the country get behind him enough that he could actually pass his legislative ideas. Would I have voted for a different Republican? No friggen way. I know it's easy to lump me in as a "FOX" boy, but your wrong. I live in Japan and they don't have FOX news. Sure I could go to their website, but I don't. Just I don't go to CNN, MSNBC, ABC, etc. I understand the Trump hatred. I felt the same towards Obama after he sold out to big pharma and big medicine. If you or others cannot see or understand how the MSM controls, manipulates and lies to the public every day, that's not my fault. I see it, and many others do as well. I would recommend you search out some blogs, not right or left, but issue based, then choose some that seem to make intelligent observations about current issues.

If you're really interested and not just trying to start another round of "back-n-forth", then try this for starters. I visit this site. It has great info on Obama's Syrian adventure among other issues including Yemen, Iraq, and US domestic.

First I'll link the bio of this persons blog, then I'll link the home page.

http://turcopolier.typepad.com/about.html

http://turcopolier.typepad.com/sic_semper_tyrannis/

He also declared all out war on decency, dignity, mature behaviour,

I could say the same about some posters on here with their snide and childish one-liners.

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The war loving corporate MSM has NEVER gone after a President like this before.

NEVER!

Wake me up when you hear something at the level of rancid, racially-charged trash like birtherism. If the MSM sinks as low as that, all decent people should be repulsed.

Trump has wallowed in trash. I have very little sympathy for a specimen like this complaining about 'fake news' and 'bias'. Trump is a human trash tabloid.

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Wake me up when you hear something at the level of rancid, racially-charged trash like birtherism.

We are sooooo beyond that.

If the MSM sinks as low as that, all decent people should be repulsed. 

They are lower than a snakes belly.

Trump has wallowed in trash. I have very little sympathy for a specimen like this complaining about 'fake news' and 'bias'. Trump is a human trash tabloid.

Watching 3 min of CNN, their panels are so filled up with so many guests, they're talking over themselves to see who talk and hurl the worst vitriol against Trump. There isn't enough Bufferin on the planet that could handle that craziness.

Zucker is trying his best, I get it, it's all about ratings but what they are doing is beyond low and any normal rational person with a functioning brain can see that.

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@blacklabel

That was like a game of fallacy bingo. You've got ad hom & straw man, but no sound arguments:

The side who...

Whatever "side" you make up, and watever "side" you assign me to, is irrelevant to the point I made. That point being, alt-right is a label designed and worn with pride by the very group it describes, and is therefore a useful way of referring to said group. "Alt-left" is merely a label made up by Trump and the Breitbart-led alt right media sphere which has no worth in debate and no use other than in ad hom attacks, which are themselves worthless.

...wants to claim there is no 'alt-left' while at the same time blaming all conservatives for what only the 'alt-right' did

Straw man. "All conservatives" are not being blamed.

Ok, so your point is the Antifa and BLM are part of the core of the Democratic party along with everyone else.

Another straw man. You are well aware that that was not my point.

No extremists on the liberal side?

Straw man. That is not my contention.

Ok, thats fine but your whole party now owns their behavior, rhetoric and ideology.

My party? And who is "my party"? You're making some major assumptions - incorrect ones, and even then "my party" is ad hom reasoning and irrelevant to the points made.

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Blacklabel: *arraignment yesterday of 18 of the 33 people who were arrested Saturday indicate a large-scale outbreak of violence in what was otherwise widely hailed as a peaceful protest by 40,000 counterdemonstrators.*

So 33 out of 40,000 were arrested? Or am I reading that wrong?

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"I didn't say I love you because you're black, or I love you because you're white," Trump said. "I love all the people of our country."

Except for Mexicans and Muslims right?

"If we have to close down our government, we're building that wall," Trump said."

Does that mean you stop being our president then Mr Trump? Well lets shut er down! We can not be off much worse, especially with a President who does not care about the American people as a whole.

"One vote away. I will not mention any names - very presidential. And nobody wants me to mention your other senator, who's weak on border, weak on crime. Nobody knows who the hell he is! See, I haven't mentioned any names, so now everybody's happy," he said.

Is this his normal state of mind, that of a child? Good grief. Who voted for him!?

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Many posts here commenting on the drivel of incoherent mess emanating from Trump. Unfortunately, his rally speeches don't need to be coherent. They only need to contain certain key words & phrases repeated over and over - the exact same words and phrases being used over and over on Breitbart. It's an act of mass hypnosis, and this is how it's done; the intended audience is the 30-something percent who believe anything he says, and the goal is to keep them that way. In that light, his absurd 'speeches' are actually very effective, with the proof in the pudding.

The mass hypnosis is happening on both sides. What you're describing happens everywhere.

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This thread is a perfect microcosm of what is happening in the West right now.

A few brave and thankless few are being drowned out by a growing mass hysteria of whiny little brats who see injustice and offense in every. single. thing.

I truly believe historians will look back at this period a century from now and wonder how the populace became so weak so scared, and so spineless.

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mass hysteria of whiny little brats

None greater than the whiner-in-chief Trump, and his mass of followers with their ridiculous persecution complex.

I truly believe historians will look back at this period a century from now and wonder how the populace became so weak so scared, and so spineless

Well, it's only 30-something percent displaying fear and spinelessness, but the way they got that way is the drip drip drip of Fox News / Breitbart alternative facts and fearmongering. We don't need future historians to tell us this.

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Yoshitune - I don't know a single supporter of President Trump who feels prosecuted. He won the Presidency. He and his followers are in power and are taking the culture back from the brink from the fascist left.

This is a time of celebration, believe me.

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I don't know a single supporter of President Trump who feels prosecuted

How does one feel prosecuted? You can't possibly feel prosecuted. ;)

He and his followers are in power and are taking the culture back from

Yas, by talking smack on twitter and threatening to shut down the government if they don't get their way. So smurt, so turf ;) Hilarious!

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Steve Cannon said it best about the whiny, spineless left;

"The longer [the Democrats] talk about identity politics, I got 'em. I want them to talk about racism every day. If the left is focused on race and identity, and we go with economic nationalism, we can crush the Democrats."

It won Trump the Presidency, and will win him another in 2020.

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How does one feel prosecuted? You can't possibly feel prosecuted. ;)

Since Trumpologist identify with their leader and the leader may well end up being prosecuted; it's probably a foreshadowing of events to come.

One thing is certain; the far right have shown their desperation in villifying the brave men and women who chased off the nazis.

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Japanese Americans are siding with Trump, since the blacks and Latinos are ADDING 150 to 200 points to their SAT scores and DEDUCTING 50 points from Asian's scores.

This was covered in an article in the LA Times.

Alex Jones went to Seattle and said that Japanese and Chinese Seattle residents greeted him with fondness and said they are watching his shows and enjoy them.

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I don't know a single supporter of President Trump who feels prosecuted

Trump may well end up feeling prosecuted.

Of course, I'm sure you meant 'persecuted', as the word I used was 'persecution'.

And yes, all this whining about PC and the poor downtrodden white man comes from a ridiculous sense of persecution.

Steve Cannon said it best about the whiny, spineless left

I agree with you and Bannon on that - the left really does need to drop the kind of absurd identity politics which sees them shutting down museum kimono events etc

But if you think the right aren't playing identity politics, you're having a laugh. This whole Trump presidency is based on the whining spineless identity politics of the poor downtrodden 'persecuted' right wing white folk, which Bannon evidently knows how to exploit with great skill.

Seems to me that the US - all of it, left and right - is utterly obsessed with identity and race. Trump and Breitbart are indeed playing on that to great personal benefit, though to great detriment of a once-great country.

@Leila

Alex Jones went to Seattle and said that...

He also said under oath in court that nothing he said should be taken seriously because he's a performance artist. He also said he can sell you some snake oil for 100 dollars a bottle from his website to make the nasty PC fairies go away.

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How can the President deem it worthy to support a group which had its founding in sedition and secessionism?

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How can the President deem it worthy to support a group which had its founding in sedition and secessionism?

what group is this that the President is supporting?

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Call me a racist, but all those Klan members look the same to me....

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Convicted criminal Arpaio has been pardoned by Trump, before he ever served on day of his six month sentence. Traditionally, except in very rare and high profile cases, such as with Nixon, criminals are not pardoned by a president until they have served at least 5 years of their sentence.

It was a vagary of the US Constitution that allowed Trump to become President, although he got millions fewer votes that the other candidate.

It is also a vagary of the US Constitution that a sitting president can be removed from office by Congress, without any charges of a crime being brought against him. If a majority of the House of Representatives starts impeachment proceedings, and if 2/3rds of the Senate vote to remove him from office, he is no longer president. I think the time has come to remove him from office.

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I think the time has come to remove him from office.

1glenn - its gonna be a long 8 years for you. Better keep your outrage in reserve rather than blow it all at once.

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Why do you insist on seeing 'outrage' in posts where there is only rational argument?

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