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Democrats condemn Trump at trial as threat to American democracy

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Well said Mr Schiff. Quite a speech. Far more honest than

"The answer is elections, not impeachment," Sekulow said.

Elections that can be tampered with. Elections that don't allow millions of Americans to vote.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/feb/03/americans-shut-out-iowa-caucuses

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It’s not just Donny that’s a threat to our democratic republic; the GOP condoning Donny’s corruption is also a threat.

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calling him a man with no ethical compass w

Too PC. He's much worse than that. But his devout followers still claim his lack of an ethical compass, dishonesty, a/immoral behavior, nepotism (besides Jared and Ivanka, why do Giulliani's and Barr's sons work in the White House), insider trading (how have Jared and Ivanka got richer while serving Trump), allowing foreign states to meddle in US affairs, et. etc. are perfectly acceptable to them. They just want 'the media' to stop reporting what he does and says, they prefer media controlled by the state like China, Russia and its partner Iran, Saudi Arabia and other states led by a dictator have.

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This sham of an impeachment drive is the culmination of a three year long screeching hissy fit by Democrats and thier media cohorts in the wake the crushing loss in 2016 by thier former darling Hillary Clinton, who was exposed as the corrupt, lying elite she's always been.

This unconscionable effort to overthrow the president who has brought jobs and food on the table to the poor worker will not go down well with the electorate.

Elitist Democrat leadership and thier media goons have absolutely no sincerity or concern for the working class at all, which is why voters turned their backs on them in 2016 and will do so again in 2020.

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This unconscionable effort to overthrow the president

It’s a little early to staff with the lies.

Elitist Democrat leadership and thier media goons have absolutely no sincerity or concern for the working class at all, which is why voters turned their backs on them in 2016 and will do so again in 2020.

Your definition of the voters turning their backs in the Dems is a bit odd given three million more voters voted for Hillary. Let’s not let facts get in the way of your hyper partisan screed though.

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calling him a man with no ethical compass who must be removed from office to protect American democracy.

They're repeating verbatim what they said the morning of 11/9/16. They'll have to come up with something original if the dems want my vote.

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I can't be the only non-American who finds this all a bit baffling.

I mean, it's a kind of trial but the Republicans can prevent witnesses with clear evidence of Trump's guilt from speaking and the the "jury" is a Senate with a Republican majority. Obviously they're not going to find him guilty, so what's the actual point? Is it just a token effort or does it have some real worth?

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A president free of accountability is a danger to the beating heart of our democracy," Schiff said.

No, what is a threat to a democracy is a media elite and a political group who have deemed the president guilty from day 1 of his term. The man could never get a fair trial, as everything he does is "wrong" and he was labeled guilty before even given a trial. Therefore the trial was a sham, and those who created this waste of time witch hunt should be on trial themselves for wasting national treasury and time that should of been devoted to more worth causes. Schiff and Pelosi will become 2 of the most despised politicians, too dumb to realize they created their own demise.

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Trump's supporters don't care if he genuinely was guilty of the crimes he was accused of our not - to him he is a demi-God, above the law and untouchable. If he abolished democracy and declared himself President for life I think a lot would cheer him on.

These last few years American democracy has been dying, visibly wilting before his eyes. Those who will suffer most appear to be those cheering him. Irony is probably a concept not many of them understand.

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@Chip Star

Your definition of the voters turning their backs in the Dems is a bit odd given three million more voters voted for Hillary.

My point is that working class voters in states like Ohio, Michigan, Pennsylvania, etc, which were once Democrat friendly, turned thier backs on Hillary and the Dems and put Trump in the White House. And Trump has delivered on his campaign promises to give them jobs. And the idiotic Dems having not learned from this now want to overthrow him!

Like Trump or not, to the people of Ohio, Michigan, Pennsylvania, etc, this is akin to assassination of thier hero. This simply will not go down well.

How in the world are the Dems going to win those workers over? Bernie is the only sincere one amongst the candidates, and yet the lying Dem leadership and thier media goons are doing every trick in the book to undermine him. Like last election, many Bernie Bro's will stick it to thier party and vote Trump out of spite.

This all spells further disaster for Dems.

For thier own and the people's sake Dems need to get off thier identity politics infested, moral high horses. They need to ditch the men, white people and worker hatred and support for the brutal slaughter of the unborn at 40 weeks. They need to focus on the needs of the working class with policies that bring jobs, raise the minimum wage, improve access to health care and ensure border security.

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Yeah cause he will give Alaska to the Russians or something. Such stupidity, even from Schiff.

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The indubitable, political democratic real world truth, to remove Donald Trump from office is The Democratic Party must state a clear full policy agenda, immigration, education, inequality, climate change, etc etc

Focus, channel President Trumps alleged "high crimes and misdemeanors" But do so at the ballot box.

That's democracy.

Have the courage to fight an Election, let the American people decide.

This whole process of impeachment is a foolish and wasted journey, affording Donald Trump and most importantly his advisors a platform, free of charge, to beat his political opponents over the head at will.

There are no political short cuts.

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They meant it to be used rarely, but they put it in the Constitution for a reason. For a man who would sell out his country for a political favor. For a man who would (undermine) the integrity of our elections. For a man who would invite foreign interference in our affairs. For a man who would undermine our national security and that of our allies. For a man like Donald J Trump," Schiff said.

Well said.

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Obviously they're not going to find him guilty, so what's the actual

point? Is it just a token effort or does it have some real worth?

It is purely political. Dems will use it for their campaigns at all levels of govt.

In the 1990s, I was taught by Dems that a liar President was acceptable.

I'm still extremely unhappy with how they broke my health insurance costing us over 4x more than before. Monthly health insurance premiums are, by far, our largest bill. Higher than our mortgage or cars.

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And so the death of American democracy is complete. Time of death is about to be announced by the senate.

The world is worse off now that America can not be trusted by friend or foe alike. Americans voted for a lying egotist and may well do so again, showing those who vote that way have no brains, care nothing for fellow Americans or for anyone else in the world. By voting for Donny they actually show they do not even care about themselves or their families.

I weep for my American friends, literally. I weep for the world. At a time when world leadership is so desperately needed, America collapses in a heap and one of the voices piercing the darkness comes from a 15 year old girl (Greta Thunberg). America has failed itself and the world. Pandemic, climate change, Bird flu re-emerges. How many things can go wrong at once when we have no leader to pull us through it all.

The death of American democracy will have wide ranging negative effects on us all. Things seem about to get much much worse. Stay tuned for November 2020, if the pandemic doesnt get you that is. Good luck.

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So now the Dems are pushing “censure” just so they can say that there was no acquittal.

nope, you could have censured months ago but you chose to waste our time and money instead.

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Dems are disparaging Donny’s über ignorant bass because dems know there is not deprogramming those people and getting them to see reality for what it is.

Sure, those who don't fall in line need to be deprogrammed. And Donny's "base" is 62 million people. Hardly a fringe group. And you guys with your paper-thin humanities degrees that are worthless in the job market keep on drinking your "sustainable" soy lattes while looking down and sneering at real working people. I'm sure it'll win your team the white house again like in 2016.

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The Republican cultists betrayed their oath to render impartial judgment, refused to do the right thing and allowed their rogue leader to slip the noose of justice, but not to worry since the Dems have given the demented Don enough rope to finish the job himself before November.

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Rush Limbaugh announce he is dying of lung cancer, this worry Trump more

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Oh the reality that you have few to no actual policies and the ones you do have are pie in the sky things that you can’t explain how you will pay for.

that the secretary of education will be vetted by a transgender elementary school child and half the cabinet will be people of color, women or non binaries(!?) regardless of ability to do the job. That reality?

getting them to see reality for what it is.

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Sure, those who don't fall in line need to be deprogrammed. And Donny's "base" is 62 million people. Hardly a fringe group. And you guys with your paper-thin humanities degrees that are worthless in the job market keep on drinking your "sustainable" soy lattes while looking down and sneering at real working people. I'm sure it'll win your team the white house again like in 2016.

Looking at the current Democrat field, they don’t have a clear message, none of their ideas will come to fruition, they’re more focused with beating Trump over searching for a candidate that inspires and can tackle the issues that many Democrat voters care about. None of these old white candidates with their radical liberal socialist policies can beat Trump.

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Oh the reality that you have few to no actual policies and the ones you do have are pie in the sky things that you can’t explain how you will pay for.

Pie in the sky like building a wall, deporting all illegals, banning all Muslims entering and getting rid of the debt?

On the subject of the debt, why are you worried about paying for things when you support Trump piling on more debt while the economy is good?

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> Oh the reality that you have few to no actual policies and the ones you do have are pie in the sky things that you can’t explain how you will pay for. 

Since you’re a registered Dem, you me “we,” not, “you.”

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My point is that working class voters in states like Ohio, Michigan, Pennsylvania, etc, which were once Democrat friendly, turned thier backs on Hillary and the Dems and put Trump in the White House.

By falling for Putin's influence campaign...and Donnie's lies...

And Trump has delivered on his campaign promises to give them jobs. And the idiotic Dems having not learned from this now want to overthrow him!

I'm from Ohio - tell that to Ohio farmers who needlessly suffered under his stupid tariffs. And did you see 2019's GDP? A measly 2.3% - and fourth quarter was 2.1%. The facts are clearly showing Trump's handling of the economy is far worse than President Obama, who had a 5.5% quarterly GDP in FY 2014.

https://www.statista.com/statistics/188185/percent-chance-from-preceding-period-in-real-gdp-in-the-us/

Like Trump or not, to the people of Ohio, Michigan, Pennsylvania, etc, this is akin to assassination of thier hero. This simply will not go down well.

Utterly and completely ridiculous... And leave it to a Trumper to invoke violence.

How in the world are the Dems going to win those workers over? Bernie is the only sincere one amongst the candidates, and yet the lying Dem leadership and thier media goons are doing every trick in the book to undermine him. Like last election, many Bernie Bro's will stick it to thier party and vote Trump out of spite.

Just look at the Trumpers, "We love Bernie"...what a crock. Yea, you loved Bolton too - now he's a "Backstabber" and a "tool of the left". I hate to break this to you but Dems could care less about your clueless analysis...

This all spells further disaster for Dems.

From the party that just foisted a sham trial on the public - and ignored their own Repub savior that had the goods on Donnie. But the truth will still come out; Bolton, Parnas, the e-mails - they'll all show what a blatant cover-up this was - and Repubs will be radioactive for decades.

For thier own and the people's sake Dems need to get off thier identity politics infested, moral high horses. They need to ditch the men, white people and worker hatred and support for the brutal slaughter of the unborn at 40 weeks. They need to focus on the needs of the working class with policies that bring jobs, raise the minimum wage, improve access to health care and ensure border security.

For their own sake, Repubs better Dump Trump and get Nikki Haley on the phone ASAP...

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Because the money is being well spent. Not by giving everyone free college while not reimbursing people who saved their money and worked hard to pay it themselves.

unmm the wall is being built btw.

if you are a politician you can’t give me a 32 TRILLION dollar program and then say “I don’t know” when asked how to pay for it. Then lie and say taxes won’t be raised.

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Looking at the current Democrat field, they don’t have a clear message, none of their ideas will come to fruition, they’re more focused with beating Trump over searching for a candidate that inspires and can tackle the issues that many Democrat voters care about. None of these old white candidates with their radical liberal socialist policies can beat Trump.

Me with my ultra sustainable nonfat soy latte with extra whip, and my degree in post-apocalyptic analysis of kumbayaa theory in modern interactions sitting on the table: " I concur"

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I'm sure it'll win your team the white house again like in 2016.

Don't worry. Trump will not leave the WH even if he loses the election. There is proof of that.

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Prime example of no policies from your liberal media:

(let’s not worry if someone will actually be a good president, let’s just use identity politics and wealth to buy the election). Cause orangemanbad.)

“Most Democratic voters are in no mood to take risks. Many do believe the president to be an existential threat to the nation and even the world. The task at hand is to pick the candidate best positioned to win. We can argue about policy after the election. The winning ticket is Michael Bloomberg andKamala Harris. This is not a judgment about who would be the best president. It is only about who is best positioned to prevail in the election.”

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The pathetic Democrats are just pissed off because they know whoever they nominate is going to lose to Trump, probably in a landslide, and they'll probably lose the House too.

Well said Mr Schiff. Quite a speech

You gotta be kidding, Toasted. Watch this. I know you won't, but I'll post the link anyway for others with an open mind.

Newt Gingrich calls out Schiff's 'lies' as 'deranged'

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jY5huU_SJok

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Many do believe the president to be an existential threat to the nation and even the world. 

What if there is a recession? Trump can't blame Hillary. At least GWB was pretty humble in 2008. If a recession happens Trump will just keep tweeting about Crooked Hillary without doing anything about it.

The winning ticket is Michael Bloomberg

Yes, MB is a much better candidate than Trump. Good point.

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Because the money is being well spent. Not by giving everyone free college while not reimbursing people who saved their money and worked hard to pay it themselves.

But you were talking about pie in the sky promises. Trump said he’d get rid of the debt, throw out all illegals and ban Muslims entering to country. Many of his supporters are angry about him not building the wall ( now it is bits of fence when he trash after he trash tweeted Jeb! making it clear it was a ‘wall’ ).

Trump was full of lies ( sorry, New York bs ) on the campaign trail.

I’m just surprised more of his supporters like yourself, who clearly don’t like pie in the sky, don’t call this out more often.

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Yeah let’s just sell the election to the highest bidder. Dems have not one, but two old white male billionaires. But will make sure to pick a minority woman as VP (but not Tulsi) to pay lip service to “diversity”

sure let’s take the candidate that dropped out months ago because nobody wanted to vote for her and make her VP of an almost 80 yr old President. good idea said no one.

with the advanced age of all these old white dudes, VP is key and shouldn’t be used for identity politics.

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This was common knowledge even before he become president.....

this from our favorite little Fox and Friends parrot......but I'll post the link anyway for others with an open mind...Har ROLF LOL and all that jazz......

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The facts are clearly showing Trump's handling of the economy is far worse than President Obama, who had a 5.5% quarterly GDP in FY 2014.

Not even close. What are the Dems reading???

https://www.marketwatch.com/story/this-is-the-most-prosperous-economy-the-world-has-ever-seen-says-jamie-dimon-and-its-going-to-continue-2019-11-10

Utterly and completely ridiculous... And leave it to a Trumper to invoke violence.

Congressman Steve Scalise was shot by a Bernie Supporter Antifa will attack anyone that doesn’t agree with their fascist politics, they never sit down and have an meaningful dialogue with people, they just want to scrap.

Just look at the Trumpers, "We love Bernie"...what a crock.

Trump haters, impeach the President, so what’s your point?

From the party that just foisted a sham trial on the public -

It was a sham impeachment, come on now..

and ignored their own Repub savior that had the goods on Donnie.

Not the Senate’s job to provide and call witnesses and do the job of the House of Representatives. They Had their chance, they screwed up, their loss. The only thing they can do at this point is invest in Kleenex.

But the truth will still come out; Bolton, Parnas, the e-mails - they'll all show what a blatant cover-up this was - and Repubs will be radioactive for decades. 

Yeah, yeah, yeah, you guys keep saying that...yaaawn.....

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"When you get inside Donald Trump's head, all you're going to discover that you'd find there is a putter, a cheeseburger, a porn video and somebody else's credit card."

Tim O'Brien, Senior Advisor, Bloomberg 2020 Campaign

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unmm the wall is being built btw.

Ever heard the song the answer is blowing in the wind?

https://www.businessinsider.com/trump-new-border-wall-fell-over-wind-mexico-video-photos-2020-1

Yeah let’s just sell the election to the highest bidder. Dems have not one, but two old white male billionaires. But will make sure to pick a minority woman as VP (but not Tulsi) to pay lip service to “diversity”

Well, one Trumper has already invoked violence (assassination), now it's race...two of their favorite topics; just ask Trump supporter David Duke...

Newt Gingrich calls out Schiff's 'lies' as 'deranged'

Now that's funny - Newtie talking about lies and deranged - the first speaker ever to be punished by the House for ethics violations. The House voted overwhelmingly, 395-28, to reprimand Gingrich and to fine him $300,000. What a Loser...

Me with my ultra sustainable nonfat soy latte with extra whip, and my degree in post-apocalyptic analysis of kumbayaa theory in modern interactions sitting on the table: " I concur"

Concur that KC is in Kansas? Yep, I believe it...

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Another nail has been hammered to the coffin of democracy in the United States of America (U.S./USA).

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I hear Trump plans to air an infomercial after the State of the Union...

Did you see it? Did you like it? Don't you have to have one?.....

Yes, now for the first time, you can get your own personal Trump "Scarlet I" red tie...

What better accessory to show your support for our Sainted Leader and Omnipotent King,. er.. we mean President...

Wear your Scarlet I tie with pride - prefect match for your scarlet MAGA cap...

And as with all Trump clothing products, it's made with care and craftsmanship at a sweatshop factory in China...

Yes, you can own a Trump Chinese-made product - wear it and cheer at your next Trump rally as our courageous President rails against those unfair Chinese traders stealing American jobs...

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Such obscene theatrics are completely undignified, but to be expected. In any case, there is an election in the wings, so why don't the Dems put the decision to remove Trump up to the electorate? One suspects it is because they might get an answer they don't like.

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Lets hope and pray that Trump gets another 4 years; there is still lots to be done. Even if the radicals win, Trumps term will have set a precedent that nobody else can reach. The cat will be out of the bag, so to speak and will never return. It will be the new benchmark that they never can reach.

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Ever heard the song the answer is blowing in the wind? 

Nothing that cement reinforcement can’t fix. Thank God for the Romans.

Well, one Trumper has already invoked violence (assassination), now it's race...two of their favorite topics; just ask Trump supporter David Duke...

Don’t worry, the stay home Antifa fascists outnumber 5 to 1 any racist....oops, they’re racist as well, they attacked an Asian gay journalist...so much for identity politics talk...

Now that's funny - Newtie talking about lies and deranged - the first speaker ever to be punished by the House for ethics violations. The House voted overwhelmingly, 395-28, to reprimand Gingrich and to fine him $300,000. What a Loser...

Don’t worry Schiff won’t get his wish. But his closing arguments today were hilarious! Definitely should have been a comedian.

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Impeachment is so last week. You have to downplay it in the media now so people miss the acquittal.

please pick Bloomberg and Harris. That will only get you New York and CA which you already have.

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Lets hope and pray that Trump gets another 4 years; there is still lots to be done. Even if the radicals win,

How? Sanders doesn’t attract enough minorities, the same for the good mayor Pete and Warren, Biden does better with minorities, but doesn’t poll well with younger people, Amy won’t ever be President, neither will Bloomberg, the man that wants to tell people what and how to eat and drink. So I wouldn’t worry about Trump getting another 4 years.

Trumps term will have set a precedent that nobody else can reach. The cat will be out of the bag, so to speak and will never return. It will be the new benchmark that they never can reach.

Most definitely.

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The facts are clearly showing Trump's handling of the economy is far worse than President Obama, who had a 5.5% quarterly GDP in FY 2014.

Not even close. What are the Dems reading???

Uh, how about Donnie's Dept of Treasury...

4th quarter 2019: 2.1 percent

3rd quarter 2019: 2.1 percent

https://www.bea.gov/news/glance

And 2nd Qtr 2019 - 2.0% - great trend huh?

CY 19 GDP was only 2.3% - pathetic... And 2018 was only 2.9%. Which as everyone can see is a downward trend.

Get the facts - right from Trump's own Treasury Dept.

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I thought I was reading The Onion when I saw Schiff's remarks about Trump selling Alaska to the Russians. Then I learned he actually did say that. These fascists are comedy gold.

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Uh, how about Donnie's Dept of Treasury...

4th quarter 2019: 2.1 percent

3rd quarter 2019: 2.1 percent

Until you peel that onion.

https://www.vox.com/2017/1/11/14233248/obama-solved-economic-crisis-middle-class-haunts-him

Get the facts - right from Trump's own Treasury Dept.

Yeah, get the facts right.

https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2015/01/where-was-obama-when-the-middle-class-needed-him-114502

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Trump wins again. He is winning so much that Dems are getting tired of it. Looking forward to seeing the Dems mopping at tomorrow’s State of the Union address. I am guessing that they will have to impeach him again to prevent him from being re-elected.

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Noidall: And you guys with your paper-thin humanities degrees that are worthless in the job market keep on drinking your "sustainable" soy lattes while looking down and sneering at real working people.

Keep dreaming of revenge on those TV show characters.

bass: Not even close. What are the Dems reading???

You don't really know much about economics so you've been consistently wrong on this. You keep mixing up quarterly GDP with annual. For example, you won't believe this: Trump has never had over 3% annual GDP.

bass: https://www.marketwatch.com/story/this-is-the-most-prosperous-economy-the-world-has-ever-seen-says-jamie-dimon-and-its-going-to-continue-2019-11-10

And here is the brilliance of the GOP.

The issue is that the Top 10% of America are getting a lion's share of the wealth. Stock market is up? Great, something like 16% of Americans own stock. Good for the rich, but wages for the working man are flat. So you're cheering the rich getting richer because they tricked you into thinking you were included in all this new wealth. You aren't.

Wages have been flat for decades and that impacts the working class more than anything else.

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Uh, how about Donnie's Dept of Treasury...

4th quarter 2019: 2.1 percent

3rd quarter 2019: 2.1 percent

Until you peel that onion.

https://www.vox.com/2017/1/11/14233248/obama-solved-economic-crisis-middle-class-haunts-him

Get the facts - right from Trump's own Treasury Dept.

Yeah, get the facts right.

Wait a minute - are you saying Trump fudged his own numbers on his own Treasury Dept website? They aren't accurate? We can't trust his data? Maybe its a con-job?

Tell us more about this...

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Trump wins again. He is winning so much that Dems are getting tired of it.

Dang straight - he sure showed them Dems by acing that geography test after the Super Bowl...

If showing you're an imbecile is "winning" - keep going for it Donnie! We know you will...

And speaking of imbeciles, where's Pence? That guy folded up about a month ago and disappeared. What's he hiding for - afraid someone might ask him a question about what went on with Ukraine while he was "in the room"?

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WolfpackToday  11:07 am JST

Trump wins again. 

If that's what you call getting bailed out by obliging GOP lackeys in the Senate.

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You don't really know much about economics

Evidently liberals don’t either, that’s why they didn’t create a booming economy. Regulations, tax increases, Wall St. doesn’t agree with you and neither do the people, none of the Socialists can beat Trump on the economy.

The issue is that the Top 10% of America are getting a lion's share of the wealth.

Go to Silicone Valley and ask them, they may hate Trump these rich liberals, but they would never vote for this idiots, they want to make money, not lose it.

Stock market is up? Great,

Yes, sir!

something like 16% of Americans own stock.

Add to that people are spending a lot more which is what you want in a vibrant economy. More spending, more taxes are recycled into the economy, embrace Trump.

Good for the rich, but wages for the working man are flat. So you're cheering the rich getting richer because they tricked you into thinking you were included in all this new wealth. You aren't.

Wages have been flat for decades and that impacts the working class more than anything else.

And the socialists solutions are income redistribution, raising taxes and increasing the minimum wage? Good luck with that.

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"We have proven Donald Trump guilty. Now do impartial justice and convict him," 

Sorry, the party of angry old men is still searching for their balls!!!

They gave up searching for their brains long time ago.

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If that's what you call getting bailed out by obliging GOP lackeys in the Senate.

So as a foreigner you are saying in my country will should just burn the constitution and get rid of the President because liberals and liberals abroad don’t like him? Yeah, that makes sense....lol

Wait a minute - are you saying Trump fudged his own numbers on his own Treasury Dept website? They aren't accurate? We can't trust his data? Maybe its a con-job?

I don’t think so...lol

https://www.forbes.com/sites/peterferrara/2013/11/27/did-the-bls-give-obama-a-major-election-2012-gift/#dba0794583bb

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And the socialists solutions are income redistribution, raising taxes and increasing the minimum wage?

Home schooling, evidently, doesn't turn out economists!!!!

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Trump wins again.

Yes, and even if he loses the election he will refuse to leave the WH.

Yes, sir!

It better stay up. Otherwise his followers will turn against him. He can't just blame Hillary. What if it's 2007/8 all over again?

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Mr Schiff is the only threat to American Democracy.

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Wait a minute - are you saying Trump fudged his own numbers on his own Treasury Dept website? They aren't accurate? We can't trust his data? Maybe its a con-job?

I don’t think so...lol

https://www.forbes.com/sites/peterferrara/2013/11/27/did-the-bls-give-obama-a-major-election-2012-gift/#dba0794583bb

Wait a minute. I provided data from Trump's own Treasury Dept directly from its website. It shows;

2nd Qtr 2019 GDP was 2.0% 3rd Qtr 2019 was 2.1%, and 3rd Qtr was also 2.1%.

It also showed 2018 GDP was 2.9% and 2019 was 2.3% - a clear downward trend.

So, is this data provided by Trump's DoT false?

Why are you providing a Fortune link that's over two years old and addresses 2012 that has nothing to do with today.

Tell us why in 2018 or 2019, Trump failed to achieve even a paltry 3.0% growth and why we are on a clear downward trend in GDP?

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Mr Schiff is the only threat to American Democracy.

I'm sure this would not be said if the economy goes south.

was 2.3% - a clear downward trend.

Attention Trump people. Why is this? Is it Hillary's fault?

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Bass: And the socialists solutions are income redistribution, raising taxes and increasing the minimum wage? Good luck with that.

Trump promised 5% growth. He can’t even reach 3% with massive tax cuts and interest rate cuts.

Do you disagree?

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@bas4fAnd the socialists solutions are income redistribution

Are you calling Trump and ilk national socialists? Their income redistribution plan ensures the rich can get even richer by providing tax cuts and more subsidies for the corporations they control. The country's income gap continues to widen as a result, while working and middle class families see their costs of living increase and their buying power decrease.

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MSNBC's Steve Kornacki reports:

"We've heard from the Iowa state Democratic Party... They say that they are doing, quote, 'quality control on the results that they've received.' They say they are doing it, quote, 'out of an abundance of caution." #RiggedElection?

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Home schooling, evidently, doesn't turn out economists!!!!

Neither does increased tuition

Mr Schiff is the only threat to American Democracy. What a lying sack of.

You’re being way to kind to the fool.

Wait a minute. I provided data from Trump's own Treasury Dept directly from its website. It shows;

No, you didn’t really and there’s this also:

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/02/01/business/economy/independent-voters-economy.html

Basically, Trump not only crushes Obama, but he expanded on his overall economic success.

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/opinion/yes-trump-deserves-credit-on-black-unemployment

Again, the Dems have no hope, but there’s always 2024. Get crankin’!

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@commenteerThese fascists are comedy gold

I assume you're using 'fascists' as a pejorative. It is an ugly term. But when posters who push for authoritarians to have greater power, push for opposition to be stifled, i.e. push anti- democratic messages, I have to think they don't understand what 'fascist' might mean, beyond being a negative term. If you want an example of a current system similar to fascism, look at Russia, that darling state of the globe's far right.

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No, you didn’t really and there’s this also:

This is pathetic. lincolnman gave you statistics from Trump's own Treasury Department directly, and you put your fingers in your ears and throw out worthless opinion pieces?

The modern GOP: as scared of maths as they are of Mexicans.

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dems are flipping coins and picking names out of hats by now. Yay “democracy”.

Trump has over 30,000 caucus goers in support of him when it doesn’t even matter.

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but he expanded on his overall economic success.

Health insurance costs going up in 2020. Look at the debt. Also, no wall

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Trump has over 30,000 caucus goers in support of him 

26,000 isn't over 30,000. Why can't Trump cultists count? We've got two examples in this threat alone of GOP numberphobia. Do you all have PTSD from failing your math class?

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bass4funkToday  11:50 am JST

"If that's what you call getting bailed out by obliging GOP lackeys in the Senate."

So as...

As a person who appears to be just a bit stupid, perhaps deliberately, you might very well think that.

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I believe it is defining Liberal/Libertarian dereference (third-person singular), past and present, in relation to The Democrats, referring to current 2020 Candidates miscellany, to highlight a political paradox.

The point in question is where does the liberation fit, or stand on the same hustings philosophically as the ideologically progressive socialist?

It is the square peg Mike Bloomberg, and the round hole Elizabeth Warren?

Both have a political target pinned to there backs, tailor made for Donald Trump advisors to aim at.

Cannon fodder for Trumps early morning twitter frenzy.

Interestingly generational voting habits could came into play.

To explain why socialism is still attractive, we must look at why liberalism is not.......

https://blogs.lse.ac.uk/politicsandpolicy/socialism-liberalism/

2020 Candidates

https://edition.cnn.com/election/2020/candidates

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Because your 26000 number is based on not all of the votes being counted yet. Oops.

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Wait a minute. I provided data from Trump's own Treasury Dept directly from its website. It shows;

2nd Qtr 2019 GDP was 2.0% 3rd Qtr 2019 was 2.1%, and 4th Qtr was also 2.1%.

It also showed 2018 GDP was 2.9% and 2019 was 2.3% - a clear downward trend.

So, is this data provided by Trump's DoT false?

Answer the question - is this data on Trump's own DoT website bogus?

Why are you providing a Fortune link that's over two years old and addresses 2012 that has nothing to do with today.

Answer the question...

Tell us why in 2018 or 2019, Trump failed to achieve even a paltry 3.0% growth and why we are on a clear downward trend in GDP?

Answer the question...

No, you didn’t really and there’s this also:

I took the data directly of the bea.gov website - so again, it this data false?

Basically, Trump not only crushes Obama, but he expanded on his overall economic success.

Not according to his own Dept of Treasury data; from 2017 to 2019 GDP has DECREASED each year, and for the past two years has failed to even achieve a paltry 3% GDP growth rate.

Again, the Dems have no hope, but there’s always 2024. Get crankin’!

If that's true, then answer the questions above...

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Neither does increased tuition

A proper education does, but then home schooling isn't one..

You’re being way to kind to the fool.

Even if we are kind to Donny he is still a fool.

Mr Schiff is the only threat to American Democracy.

Loyalty to a bigot instead of loyalty to the country is the biggest threat to American Democracy!!

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Where did my math class guy go? Disappeared after proven wrong.

and yes one internet posters opinion overrides 30,000 voters. Or not.

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Because your 26000 number is based on not all of the votes being counted yet. Oops.

Fair enough, that's my bad.

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Where did my math class guy go?

What math? Healthcare costs and debt? Also, how long is Trump's wall in miles? Also, what is GDP? If there is a recession is mathematically Hillary's fault? Trump swears and brags about the American economy. What will he do if it goes south? Also, There is the Trump tax (tariffs).

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Ok fair enough, it happens.

now they are blaming some app crashing. Are “the Russians” far behind in the blame game?

Was the app hacked? says liberal Juan Williams at Fox. Thanks for the input Juan. Anything to distract from Biden being in4th or 5th place I guess.

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Where did my math class guy go?

Now let's do a subtraction exercise. How many miles of Trump's wall exist after the wind blew some of it down? Trump's wall is garbage. You don't even need ladders. Just let mother nature bring down Trump's wall. Who built that thing anyway? It's not even new border. It's replacement and the old one is better.

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Democrats condemn Trump at trial as threat to American democracy

Pretty ironic, seeing that the only threat to democracy here is there continued fake impeachment attempt. But I notice this is a continuing tendency among the swamp: Accuse others of what you are doing.

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Loyalty to a bigot instead of loyalty to the country is the biggest threat to American Democracy!!

But remember, many of Trump's hardest core followers have said all along they want him to undermine US systems. Remember, many of them want 'foreign' states to meddle in US affairs. Many have expressed their disdain for the democratic principles the republic's built on. Many have said they have disdain for democratic principles in part because 'the others', i.e. those NOT from their demographic, have a say in things. Remember, many of them have Tshirts saying 'I'd rather be Russian than Democrat'. Remember, many of them have lauded Putin.

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This is pathetic. lincolnman gave you statistics from Trump's own Treasury Department directly,

Yeah, he’s says a lot...a lot...anyhoo, The most important thing that you have to go by that you can go by is how are things right now and that’s all that matters and you see the economy flourishing you see people buying you see people investing you see small business is growing, you see record unemployment for blacks things that you didn’t see within the last administration.

all the other stuff that liberals are trying to throw in the mix doesn’t mean anything as to what is happening now. Ask any economist. This is a reason why none of these clowns will be able to be Trump

and you put your fingers in your ears and throw out worthless opinion pieces?

You guys do the same thing, exactly the same thing, so.....

The modern GOP: as scared of maths as they are of Mexicans

No, not at all. Really! Good luck Democrats. ROFL!

The modern socialist doesn’t even understand mathematics.

https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2019/dec/30/high-marks-for-the-trump-economy/

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A proper education does, but then home schooling isn't one..

Ahh, so that’s why young kids earn less than their parents. Yes, great public liberal education.

Even if we are kind to Donny he is still a fool.

”If?” Would never happen, therefore he doesn’t need be nice to liberals either.

Loyalty to a bigot instead of loyalty to the country is the biggest threat to American Democracy!!

Liberals want to be loyal to to Democrats, the very people that use race in order to get elected....interesting. Lol

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Economy or no, it's hard to see Trump surviving this. He was an unknown in 2016, but now he is a known quantity and the American people don't like sleazy politicians. The midterms were a wake-up call. And let's not forget that Trump's base are old, white, male, rural and poorly educated.

What's less clear is the future of the GOP senators who vote to acquit. History may not be kind.

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https://www.forbes.com/sites/chuckjones/2020/02/01/trumps-economic-growth-is-slower-than-obamas-last-3-years/#304d467b4fed

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don't like sleazy politicians. 

The Jesus evangelicals like him because he saves fetuses.

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Trump's base are old, white, male, rural and poorly educated

and hear we go! The trump haters touting out the lines from 2018 about beeing porly ebucaded.

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Trump's base are old, white, male, rural and poorly educated

All of my friends except for one are moderate highly successful with white collar jobs living in the burbs. They all voted for Trump. Your blindness to the reality of the corruption of the two party system will be painful again in November. I hope you have stockpiled tissues.

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Natiuonal debt it at 23 trillion gdp currently 2.1% worse than Obamas last 3 years suppose that is what you get when you put a bankrupt conman as a president...Go on Americans give him another 4 years you will be well and truly screwed then...just like the guy in deliverance..

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Trump's base are old, white, male, rural and poorly educated

And they still propelled him to victory, on the other hand you have the omnipotent holy chosen Democrats that can’t even win general elections.

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Noidall: And you guys with your paper-thin humanities degrees that are worthless in the job market keep on drinking your "sustainable" soy lattes while looking down and sneering at real working people

Somebody doesn’t have a degree.

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And they still propelled him to victory, on the other hand you have the omnipotent holy chosen Democrats that can’t even win general elections.

Too right! More people voted for Trump than Hillary!

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Democrats that can’t even win general elections

And you accused the democrats of being bad at maths but they won two out of three of the last presidential elections.

Even if the last one the democrats won the pop vote.

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Trump's base are old, white, male, rural and poorly educated

Tell that to some of the most beautiful woman in the U.S. that voted for him.

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Too right! More people voted for Trump than Hillary

But she didn’t win the EC that’s the only thing that counts in the US ELECTION.

And you accused the democrats of being bad at maths

Yes, they can’t even run the Iowa Caucus correctly, accurately and efficiently. What a mess!

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Yeah, he’s says a lot...a lot...anyhoo, The most important thing that you have to go by that you can go by is how are things right now and that’s all that matters and you see the economy flourishing you see people buying you see people investing you see small business is growing, you see record unemployment for blacks things that you didn’t see within the last administration.

This is feels over facts nonsense. Statistics are more important and a better indicator of reality than what you feel is happening. But you refuse to even consider the statistics. Why?

You guys do the same thing, exactly the same thing, so.....

Wrong: you were given numbers, not a feeble op-ed piece. You just refuse to engage because it proves you wrong.

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trump is business for himself, expecting democarcy from trump ???.

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All of my friends except for one are moderate highly successful with white collar jobs living in the burbs. They all voted for Trump.

Bill Gates is my friend and he voted for Hillary.

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2nd Qtr 2019 GDP was 2.0% 3rd Qtr 2019 was 2.1%, and 4th Qtr was also 2.1%.

It also showed 2018 GDP was 2.9% and 2019 was 2.3% - a clear downward trend.

So, is this data provided by Trump's DoT false?

Tell us why in 2018 or 2019, Trump failed to achieve even a paltry 3.0% growth and why we are on a clear downward trend in GDP?

Not according to his own Dept of Treasury data; from 2017 to 2019 GDP has DECREASED each year, and for the past two years has failed to even achieve a paltry 3% GDP growth rate.

Well, I guess we won't be getting any answers to our questions today - but we did prove that one of Trump's biggest lies is that he is somehow a master of the economy - what a fairy tale...

Data from his own Dept of Treasury prove GDP has DECREASED from 2018 to 2019. And after touting he'd have annual GDP growing over 3%, he's never achieved that; 2017: 2.6%, 2018: 2.9%, 2019: 2.3%...

Trump has been an abject failure on the economy - according to his own measure.

Let the truth be told - Trump tried to bribe a foreign government to interfere in our election - and if you're willing to overlook that because you think he's great for our economy, look at the data on his own DoT website - it tells a very different tale...

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Bill Gates is my friend and he voted for Hillary.

Kinda obvious, don't you think?

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This is feels over facts nonsense. Statistics are more important and a better indicator of reality than what you feel is happening.

That’s not what people go by. The people feel good, growing prosperity overall and that hasn’t happened for many years and even black Americans are admitting this.

But you refuse to even consider the statistics. Why?

Because I watch the markets, I invest and right now as we speak if anything that is going great for Trump it’s the economy and as long as that holds strong, he’ll be reelected again.

Wrong: you were given numbers,

Yeah, yeah, yeah, you guys also gave us numbers in 2016 and polling after polling about he will never get elected and Mueller, impeachment he’ll go to prison, he’ll be impeached and removed and impending doom and gloom. ROFL! Too, too funny.

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Democrats hold onto the numbers as long as they want to, that’s the only thing that will make them smile and that’s the only thing that they have or just numbers intangible numbers that mean nothing to the average American, but it helps give warmth to Democrats

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Ahh, so that’s why young kids earn less than their parents. 

Not sure where you live, but in the rest of the civilized world kids learn more than their parents.

”If?” Would never happen, 

I believe in forgiveness for those who repent, don't you??

 therefore he doesn’t need be nice to liberals either.

Nobody cares, a bigot being nice to you isn't really the top of our priorities right now.

Liberals want to be loyal to to Democrats, the very people that use race in order to get elected....interesting.

What card do you think the bigots use??? ROFL!!

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Democrats hold onto the numbers as long as they want to, that’s the only thing that will make them smile

Pity the nutters cannot count, they don't even have numbers to hold on to.

ntangible numbers that mean nothing to the average American,

Maybe not to the home schooled ones, but for the rest with a decent education they do.

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Not sure where you live, but in the rest of the civilized world kids learn more than their parents.

No one disputed that? Huh?

I believe in forgiveness for those who repent, don't you??

Something new from liberals. We live in hope.

Nobody cares,

Exactly and he doesn’t care either.

What card do you think the bigots use??? ROFL!!

Not the race card for starters.

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All of my friends except for one are moderate highly successful with white collar jobs living in the burbs. They all voted for Trump. Your blindness to the reality of the corruption of the two party system will be painful again in November. I hope you have stockpiled tissues.

And that base is growing. We have yet to see some of these socialists that can pack a stadium with over 20,000 people.

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