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Trump ran for office in 2016 pledging to build a wall on the southern U.S. border with Mexico to keep migrants out, and has fought Congress to get funding for it.

Pledge? I thought it was stronger than that - "mark my words, mark my words" I believe was the direct quote. And just look at that "Yuge" wall on the border all paid by Mexico...

Trump's plan includes proposals to beef up security at the border to try to prevent people from crossing illegally and legal changes aimed at curbing a rise in Central American migrants seeking asylum.

With one special special exemption for all the illegal immigrants that work at his properties....

A Guatemalan toddler who had been held in U.S. Border Patrol custody and then released died in a hospital this week, adding to the tally of children who have fallen ill or died on the border because of the harsh conditions of the journey and in detention.

And the blood of this child and the others that have died while in detention is on Trump's and the Repubs hands - and it won't wash off...

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The Republicans will NEVER vote for anything that violates their open-borders policy.

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Once in the country, the Democrats don’t do anything to help better the lives of these people at all. Just turn and look all over the major States in California and New York to witness how bad these people are living.

Its worthless to argue this way...Republicans won't do anything to help better the lives of forced families after they ban abortion, and these are actual American citizens we are talking about!

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Its worthless to argue this way...Republicans won't do anything to help better the lives of forced families after they ban abortion, and these are actual American citizens we are talking about!

I don’t see Democrats helping or changing the lives of the people once they get into the US. You can go to every major city where they are regulated to and the liberal elites do not care one iota.

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I don’t see Democrats helping or changing the lives of the people once they get into the US. You can go to every major city where they are regulated to and the liberal elites do not care one iota.

The people care, where as Republicans as a whole don't give a dam about Americans forced into lives of poverty because abortion is not an option. Why don't Republicans want to make America great? Why don't Republicans want to help and support their neighbors?

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The people care,

Yeah, when I drive through Compton, East L.A., Inland Empire, Riverside, Oakland, I see it in the poverty, they are shoved into the minority communities and then left, if that’s caring, I wonder what their hatred would look like.

where as Republicans as a whole don't give a dam about Americans forced into lives of poverty because abortion is not an option.

Hmmmm...Planned Parenthood isn’t doing a lot for the homeless period and why don’t they take care of the homes in these Blue States?

Why don't Republicans want to make America great? Why don't Republicans want to help and support their neighbors?

Maybe if the Democrats would allow strong border security, cap illegal immigration, create a merit based system, help these people to become self-reliant, self value and financial independence, we would see less of that. But as they say, they don’t need Republican ideas. Well, continue the entitlement program and allow for more poverty to continue and get out of control.

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Yeah, when I drive through Compton, East L.A., Inland Empire, Riverside, Oakland, I see it in the poverty, they are shoved into the minority communities and then left, if that’s caring, I wonder what their hatred would look like.

Are you suggesting that conservative states would do something differently if they were flooded with immigrants? I doubt it, in fact you'd probably see a lot of violence.

Hmmmm...Planned Parenthood isn’t doing a lot for the homeless period and why don’t they take care of the homes in these Blue States?

I'm not talking about homeless. I'm talking about health care, child support, education, etc. Conservatives want to protect a baby till birth, and then they could feed it to the wolves for all they care.

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Didn't Trump's wife get her family here by chain migration? Or did they have some kind of special skill?

And doesn't Trump import low skill labor to work at his resorts so he can pay them less than Americans?

Trump fans support it, so why can't others do it?

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Or did they have some kind of special skill?

No special skills, just rich white man to sponsor them.

And doesn't Trump import low skill labor to work at his resorts so he can pay them less than Americans?

Yea, but its ok if your rich, white, and conservative.

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Are you suggesting that conservative states would do something differently if they were flooded with immigrants?

“If they were?” I don’t know since in most states in the state where I live in very strict when it comes to illegal immigration, especially along the border and ICE is not blocked here.

I'm not talking about homeless. I'm talking about health care, child support, education, etc.

How, the Democrats don’t even push these people to learn English! I feel like, I’m forced to speak Spanish when I visit most cities in California, so many don’t assimilate and won’t. The poverty rate in California and many major cities is going up, not down. And all the entitlements that

Conservatives want to protect a baby till birth,

Yes.

and then they could feed it to the wolves for all they care.

So now encouraging self-reliance is a bad?? Oh...

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Didn't Trump's wife get her family here by chain migration?

Was he President then? And he can’t evolve? Obama was against same sex marriage and he evolved. People change their positions all the Biden, Wallace, Gellibrand....

Or did they have some kind of special skill?

Modeling, she is hot though!!

And doesn't Trump import low skill labor to work at his resorts so he can pay them less than Americans?

Hmmmm...he doesn’t. But now that he found out, I’m very sure management fixed it. But yeah, the media will try and run on that, I get it, everything else failed so far, so why not try with this one.

Trump fans support it, so why can't others do it?

We don’t and we understand people evolve all the time.

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Didn't Trump's wife get her family here by chain migration? 

Was he President then?

They got their citizenship just last year, so yes, he was President then.

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And doesn't Trump import low skill labor to work at his resorts so he can pay them less than Americans?

Bass: Hmmmm...he doesn’t. But now that he found out, I’m very sure management fixed it. 

Ladies and gentlemen, I present to you, the bubble.

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So now encouraging self-reliance is a bad?? Oh...

Exactly the same could be the response when you're complaining about the immigrants and Democrats doing nothing. But a baby is supposed to be able to be self reliant? Ok cool.

I see so much "Democrats don't give a damn" but what the hell do the Republicans do? Nothing.

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This plan doesn't do anything to remove the carrot that has millions trying to jump the border illegally. DoA.

I don't have any issue with legal immigrants who follow the rules, pre-apply, and don't just show up on the doorstep.

As for how many the US needs, a little more or a little less, I don't know.

Immigrants who show up with job offers for 2x the normal rate for the position should be at the top of the list. We want the best the world has to offer. We don't want to put existing Americans out of work by bringing in average workers just because they are cheaper. I've seen hundreds of US workers fired because a company decided to outsource to another company across the town/street who uses exclusively H1-b visa workers for much below the going rate for the position. Something to fix this isn't included either. DoA.

I'm not opposed to seasonal worker visas for extremely menial work that nobody else will do at 3x the pay, provided they are required to leave after the season to be with their families.

Where are the penalties for hiring illegal workers? The CxO and BoD need to be held personally accountable and fines need to be extremely stiff - at least 2x the annual salary, plus automatic deportation of the worker.

If they are going to overhaul the system, then address the rules so that a $20B wall isn't needed because nobody in the US without a proper work permit can get a job.

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Trump who claims his father was born in Germany, mother in Scotland. Melania's parents became U.S. citizens in 2018 using chain migration.

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Or did they have some kind of special skill?

Modeling, she is hot though!!

Actually, Trump sponsored her visa. And the question was about her parents, neither of which are models, or hot.

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zichi: Melania's parents became U.S. citizens in 2018 using chain migration.

And Trump fans love it.

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Immigrants who show up with job offers for 2x the normal rate for the position should be at the top of the list. 

Under which circumstances no local would ever, nor should be expected to accept anything less than 2x the normal rate... and thus 2x the normal rate would become the new normal.

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And Trump fans love it.

No, we love the rule of law and despite the mistakes of the past, the President can evolve as all Presidents do.

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No, we love the rule of law and despite the mistakes of the past, the President can evolve as all Presidents do.

In other words, chain immigration was ok last year for one rich white man but we've evolved past that.

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What do Trumps parents offer to America, Bass? Other than they freeload of their son in laws money. Immigrants are supposed to offer technical skill to Americas workforce, what are they doing?

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Where are the penalties for hiring illegal workers? The CxO and BoD need to be held personally accountable and fines need to be extremely stiff - at least 2x the annual salary, plus automatic deportation of the worker.

And I can think of a CEO and his family members on the BoD for Mar-A-Lago and Trump golf courses that this would be especially applicable to...

For years, and into Trump’s presidency, the president’s golf clubs employed undocumented workers as waiters, groundskeepers and housekeepers, according to the accounts of more than 35 former workers and supervisors who spoke to The Post. In doing so, Trump reaped the financial benefits of using undocumented employees — an ability to pay his employees lower wages and fewer benefits — while reaping the political benefits of attacking it.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/7-questions-about-trumps-use-of-undocumented-workers-at-his-golf-courses/2019/01/28/47de03ba-22ff-11e9-ad53-824486280311_story.html?utm_term=.75a7a8cda032

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In other words, chain immigration was ok last year for one rich white man but we've evolved past that.

Yes, as humans, we can do that.

What do Trumps parents offer to America, Bass? Other than they freeload of their son in laws money. Immigrants are supposed to offer technical skill to Americas workforce, what are they doing?

You can ask that question about most people and give an answer to your own personal viewpoint.

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No, we love the rule of law and despite the mistakes of the past, the President can evolve as all Presidents do.

Not a very nice thing to say about Melania.

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Yes, as humans, we can do that.

I know, its called discrimination and elitism.

You can ask that question about most people and give an answer to your own personal viewpoint.

Good to see your values of making America great include freeloading and not working.

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Melania's parents don't even speak English, nor do they have technical degrees/skills. What makes them any more applicable to become US citizens than immigrants from South American countries?

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The Republicans will NEVER vote for anything that violates their open-borders policy.

This statement has no basis in reality.

Border facilities - like the overcrowded station at McAllen, Texas, where migrants sleep on the floor, sometimes for days, before being processed and released - have been overwhelmed.

A Guatemalan toddler who had been held in U.S. Border Patrol custody and then released died in a hospital this week, adding to the tally of children who have fallen ill or died on the border because of the harsh conditions of the journey and in detention.

Wall, anyone to prevent most of this? Nah...

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In other words, chain immigration was ok last year for one rich white man but we've evolved past that.

Yes, as humans, we can do that.

Interesting way to spin a clear flip-flop and a "do as I say, not as I do"....

I guess we've "evolved" on China's unfair trade too, given Trump has his clothing line and Ivanka has her shoes made there - giving jobs to Chinese factories at the expense of US workers...

But hey, in 2012, Trump was a Democrat, pro-choice, and said Hillary was "smart" and a "hard worker"...

Instead of evolving, it looks like Trump has "devolved"...

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When so many Americans speak Spanish. Trump supporters having to do overwork on this racist change.

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This statement has no basis in reality.

Other than the Republicans refusing to pass any border legislation for the six years they controlled both houses (two of which where they held the presidency). There was literally nothing other than their refusal to pass immigration legislation other than their open-borders policy.

I'm sorry it bothers you when people point out reality, instead of spreading your Trumpaganda, but that doesn't change the fact that Republicans refuse to pass immigration legislation because it is against their open-borders policy.

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Other than the Republicans refusing to pass any border legislation for the six years they controlled both houses (two of which where they held the presidency). 

You're including the RINOS, Stranger. We have to get rid of them too.

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@Sarge--yeah, I overdid it with the part about Slovakian used car dealers. Actually Trump's FIL is a retired Slovenian used car salesman. But either nationality sounds pretty funny as a punchline, don't you agree?

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I know, its called discrimination and elitism.

Liberals have always a problem with that.

Good to see your values of making America great include freeloading and not working.

Well, Democrats have made California a very nice 3rd world Entitlement Socialist State. Now if Democrats cared about California and sealing the border and for immigration, legal instead of illegal, we could get somewhere, but as they keep being the party of open borders, I can foresee Trump sliding easily into a second term, especially on this issue alone. But I want to know besides talking which is what liberals do well, how do they want to tackle illegal immigration while sealing our borders. A straight answer will do, none of the emotion is needed, please.

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@bass--kinda embarrassing to constantly complain about your home state on here. Why is Califas no bueno? A valid answer will have no open or veiled put-downs of people with another shade of skin coloration, and no creepy tangents about where the state's pockets of neo-Nazis are hiding out.

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I know, its called discrimination and elitism.

Liberals have always a problem with that.

Yes, Liberals do have a problem with discrimination and elitism. Unlike the GOP who welcomes it with open arms.

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Oh, yes!!! That's it!

A knowledge test is all it takes.

Actually Trump should take such a test first, with his knowledge I am sure he is going to fail instantly!

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kinda embarrassing to constantly complain about your home state on here. Why is Califas no bueno? A valid answer will have no open or veiled put-downs of people with another shade of skin coloration, and no creepy tangents about where the state's pockets of neo-Nazis are hiding out.

What?

Yes, Liberals do have a problem with discrimination and elitism. Unlike the GOP who welcomes it with open arms

California is full of the snobbiest and most elite people that you can find in a State that is hugely racially segregated.

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California is full of the snobbiest and most elite people that you can find in a State that is hugely racially segregated.

Have you seen the attitude of red states? Wonder why there are so few minorities there? Hmmmmm. They chase them out with death threats and refuse to hire. Why do you think minorities are mostly liberal, living in liberal states? Because they aren't accepted by a majority of America's conservative party.

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@FizzBit--there must be some reason for minorities moving to those states then. Good fishing? Nice weather?

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minorities move to those places because that is where they want to live and its their right to do so as legal citizens of the USA. If those places were so bad and full of "rednecks" and hate as liberals want to think, no one would live there except the horrible "white people".

In fact most of those places the supposed minority is actually the majority.

If the USA is so racist and undesirable to immigrants, why are there 100,000 illegals captured every month at our border.

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@Blacklabel--I'm so relieved to hear that all types of people are welcomed with open arms in the American south. I guess our misconception of the closed minded southerner doesn't match the reality. So it's a mystery why Mr. Obama didn't set up his Presidential Library in the welcoming bosom of Alabama or Texas, given that the locals hold him in such high regard, always singing his praises and begging him to relocate there.

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I think the most important trait in a citizen is loyalty. For generations we got that on the cheap with family based immigration. 

The US is a place where immigrants see a chance to make a better life for themselves. They want is a chance and not even a fair one. They put up with the dirty looks, slurs, and hard jobs because they know the US rewards hard work over time. They tell their kids this is a great country and pass on their work ethic and appreciation of country to them. There is nothing that bonds people to a country more than having family living with them. It's these people who will rush to our defense, not the "talented" ones who have high expectations and ability to leave when it gets hard.

To imprison asylum seekers, separate them from their children, and deny them entry, may put such a foul taste in their mouths, we will lose their hearts and their loyalty when needed the most.

Embedded in our immigrants, whether legal or not, are persons of talent, discipline, and great intelligence who only want a chance. They renew us. They have always returned this chance with love of country.

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You're including the RINOS, Stranger. We have to get rid of them too.

I'm talking about the Republicans, who have an open-borders policy, and refuse to pass legislation. If that's different members of your team, that's your problem. You're all the same team. And your team, whether you like it or not, has an open-border policy, and refuses to pass immigration legislation.

Sorry the truth hurts.

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Have you seen the attitude of red states?

I live in one. The attitudes are fine, but I’m well aware the media wants to make them seem as if they’re all backward hicks and that’s the problem with people, they watch too much TV and cling to their smart devices too much. Ignorance is bliss.

Wonder why there are so few minorities there? Hmmmmm.

Media driven stereotypes. Example California is a great place to live, except they don’t tell you about the property taxes and the homeless problem getting out of hand and that more and more people are leaving the State and being replaced by poorer non-skilled immigrants. They don’t tell you that.

They chase them out with death threats and refuse to hire.

You have that in Blue States as well, in fact, that is one of the reasons why so many minorities can’t find work, less skilled qualifications.....or so they say or they’ve met their quotas.

Why do you think minorities are mostly liberal, living in liberal states?

I wonder that as well because I’ve never seen a minority predominantly prosperous black city under Democratic leadership, so why is that?

Because they aren't accepted by a majority of America's conservative party.

Yes, before 1988 the GOP did a horrible job recruiting minorities, but that was then. Democrats used to be the party of the poor, now they’re the party of the progressive elite, my how times changed.

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Yes liberals do have many misconceptions, not only about this. Let me clear one up, the dislike of Barack Obama has nothing to do with his race.

He was given a wonderful opportunity to bring everyone together but he was divisive and played racial and identity politics at every chance instead.

And would his library be in a place he has no personal ties to?

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So the people building a wall to keep people out are the ones with an open border policy, huh? I think you are confused by the meaning of the word “open”.

So what does that make the anti-wall people?

Super duper open border policy?

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He was given a wonderful opportunity to bring everyone together but he was divisive and played racial and identity politics at every chance instead.

Perhaps.

Do you think Trump retweeting dodgy videos from racist groups is a better approach to bringing people together?

I just want to know what you think is the best approach.

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Embedded in our immigrants, whether legal or not, are persons of talent, discipline, and great intelligence who only want a chance. They renew us. They have always returned this chance with love of country.

Amazing that illegal immigrants are more respectable than the president.

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So the people building a wall to keep people out are the ones with an open border policy, huh? I think you are confused by the meaning of the word “open”.

Yes, the party that not only refused to create legislation even while holding all the power, but that same party that actively blocked immigration legislation.

Now you guys can try to pretend with your word-games otherwise, but the facts are right there: the pubs refused to pass border legislation, and actively blocked it. That sir is an open-border policy.

Keep trying to spin it, and I'll keep pointing out those facts.

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"he was divisive and played racial and identity politics"--Huh, can't tell if you are talking about Obama or Trump, who barely has a clue how to unite his own party, something Obama seemed much better at. Who was the Obama-era equivalent of George Conway, for example? If there was none, shouldn't you consider why?

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I just want to know what you think is the best approach.

Merit based, end chain, migration, visa lottery, catch and release, birthright citizenship, have some sort of I didn’t qualifiable skills, have a decent level in English. Of course build the wall where it is needed, allow people to apply in their home country of origin for asylum in the States, deport anyone that isn’t a citizen, breaks our laws or commits a crime...

For starters.

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Liberals really can’t frankly speaking.

Because they somehow keep making the mistake of being relevant.

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 deport anyone that isn’t a citizen

That means deport anyone who is a legal immigrant as well...doh

have some sort of I didn’t qualifiable skills, have a decent level in English

Not good news for Trump's inlaws...

Of course build the wall where it is needed

What, you've backed off building across the entire border?

breaks our laws or commits a crime

Don't you think they should specify which laws? I don't think we should be deporting legal immigrants for going 3mph over the speed limit...

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A guy in CONGRESS yelled at him “you lie” while he was lying. That’s much more clear than some guy talking nonsense from the safety of Twitter while spending the paycheck his wife gets from the person he is badmouthing.

Who was the Obama-era equivalent of George Conway, for example? If there was none, shouldn't you consider why?

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Don’t care about “dodgy videos”, never understood why you are so hung up on those. Hundreds of examples of false media stories and misrepresented videos for liberal sources don’t seem to bother anyone.

Everytime a liberal says something horrible they just deflect to the reaction of others. They just claim those people are having a reaction based on racism not on the actual inappropriate words they said.

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Don’t care about “dodgy videos”

The question wasn’t whether you care about them, it’s whethwr you think it’s a better approach to bringing people together than Obama’s, which you decried.

So what do think? Does tweeting dodgy videoes bring people together better than Obama’s approach?

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Everytime a liberal says something horrible they just deflect to the reaction of others

Heh says the guy who brought up Obama in this thread.

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My point is that Obama did identity politics against Americans. Used it to divide Americans against each other by skin color. I don’t see Trump doing that. As illegal aliens are not Americans.

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My point is that Obama did identity politics against Americans. Used it to divide Americansagainst each other by skin color. 

Ok. So do you think Trump has shown Obama up, by posting dodgy videos? Is that a preferable approach to Obama’s?

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Wtong. 3:22pm and not me, Obama appears as “proof” of the supposed racism of the South.

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Don’t care about “dodgy videos”, never understood why you are so hung up on those.

I’m just interested in your vision of bringing people together which you clearly and rightly see as something to aspire to. You saw Obama’s identity politics as the wrong approach. I’m just wondering what you think Trump is doing to bring people together, and I thought circulating dodgy videos from a racist organization was an example of an unorthodox approach to this.

How would you evaluate Trump’s approach to bringing people together?

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As I said the dodgy videos did not affect or portray Americans. And Trump was not elected solely on “Hope” and “change” to unite the American people like Obama was.

Trump was elected as a disruptor to change the status quo and get rid of RINOs and various swamp creatures.

Biden was a Senator for 36 years and VP for 8 yet he blames Trump for America’s problems? Ridiculous

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The Republicans will NEVER vote for anything that violates their open-borders policy.

Both parties love illegal immigrants.

The Republicans want cheap labor.

The Democrats want voters.

The two parties are an illusion; they're heads on the same coin. That's why everyone was so vehemently against Trump from the day he announced until today. He wasn't playing the Demopublican game.

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Trunp was not elected to “unite the people”.

He was elected as a direct result of Obama’s failed identity politics. He was elected to build a wall, put the citizens of America first over “people” and to protect and defend OUR country.

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OBAMA was elected to unite people. He failed. So if the great multiracial Obama couldn’t do it, no one can.

So we moved on to a new guy and a new purpose.

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@Blacklabel

Oh, I see. Bringing people together isn’t what Trump is there for, but you seemed to imply bringing people together was a good thing.

Maybe wait until Trump is out of office until the goal of bringing people together can be pursued again, eh?

Fair enough.

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Trump election has nothing to do with Obama. He was elected on his own populist policies.

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Bringing people together is an honorable goal. We tried that for 8 years with the best guy imaginable to do it. A guy I voted for not once but twice, hoping he could do it.

But this is just one thing of many that can be a point of focus. That failed and people moved on.

to protect our people from crime, drugs and illegal aliens we have to protect our borders. So that is the focus now and to do it we have to exclude others and take care of Americans first.

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So do you feel that Trump is moving us towards that goal when he tweets these dodgy videos? And why are you trying to avoid commenting on this? It comes off as if you’re avoiding it because it’s unjustifiable.

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@Blacklabel--"we have to protect our borders" rhetoric--too bad you have militia types playing border patrol and getting arrested themselves, like that guy in NM a few weeks ago. Vigilantes are just making more work for law enforcement by stirring up trouble. How many newcomers ran through while the authorities were occupied arresting the faux-border patrol dudes and impounding their fortified camper?

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Did Trump just say the country is full?

https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politics/our-country-is-full-trump-says-migrants-straining-immigration-system

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Yep private citizens shouldn’t have to do that.

Just proves there IS a crisis, that a wall is needed and that the amount of money given to secure our borders to fund the actual border patrol is not sufficient.

If actual Law enforcement let illegals run across while focusing on this, they were negligent.

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Just shorten it to "private citizens shouldn't impersonate law officers." There's no "have to" needed.

As for the wall, Trump said he prefers it painted black. Wouldn't an unpainted wall be more cost effective? What percent of undocumented arrivals come over the existing fence system anyway? Why did Bush spend money on fence construction if it's not doing the job? What comes after the wall proves ineffective? Are politicians giving us legit solutions or just political posturing?

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Just after his in-laws get green cards via chain migration. Allbur ine of Trump's children are anchor babies, in the words of our compassionate conservative friends.

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New trump merit based immigration policy will have disparate impact(s).

If you are Indian, Chinese, Filipino... need not worry.

But if you are from latin America... you’re outta luck.

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Yep private citizens shouldn’t have to do that. 

They don't have to do that, they wanted to do that.

Just proves there IS a crisis, that a wall is needed and that the amount of money given to secure our borders to fund the actual border patrol is not sufficient. 

No, it does not prove any of that. It proves there are some rightwing gun nutters (felons) that had too much time on their hands.

Don't you know that the vast majority of undocumented immigrants enter through ports of entry where a wall will do zero good? I thought that was elementary knowledge.

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He was elected to build a wall, 

At Mexico's expense.

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Donald "Do as I Say, Not as I Do" Trump;

Against chain migration - unless it's his in-laws..

Against employing illegal immigrants - unless it's at his properties...

Against sending US jobs to China - unless it's his and Ivanka's clothing line...

He has to be laughing at all his supporters...

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lincolnman - How come the Democrats were for a physical barrier on the border before Trump became president?

Do you know why Trump doesn't wear glasses?

Because he has 2020.

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lincolnman - How come the Democrats were for a physical barrier on the border before Trump became president?

Do you know why Trump doesn't wear glasses?

Because he has 2020.

Weak dodges - anything of these untrue?

Against chain migration - unless it's his in-laws..

Against employing illegal immigrants - unless it's at his properties...

Against sending US jobs to China - unless it's his and Ivanka's clothing line...

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Do you know why Trump doesn't wear glasses?

Because he has 2020.

You posted a link the other day which had polls showing Biden would spank Rump in 2020 if he was nominated.

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Blacklabel; put the citizens of America first

Except for his resorts. And his manufacturing. And his construction projects. And his wives.

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lincolnman - How come the Democrats were for a physical barrier on the border before Trump became president?

Republicans weren't for any type of immigration reform before Trump whipped up their ignorance-driven fear, which is evidenced by them having killed not one, but two immigration reform bills in 2013.

Do you know why Trump doesn't wear glasses?

He has contacts?

Because he has 2020.

Oh, snap. Sick burn, bro.

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To so you constitutional originalist that want to remove birthright citizenship, you must agree that we have to take it all the way regarding why birthright citizenship is the law of our land.

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Do you know why Trump doesn't wear glasses?

Because he has 2020.

You posted a link the other day which had polls showing Biden would spank Rump in 2020 if he was nominated.

You must be talking about the results of a RealClearPolitics poll I posted on the New Hampshire Democratic primary showing Biden beating the other hapless Democrats.

Here's a fact: At the current pace by the end of this year we will have caught and released almost one million migrants into the United States.

No other country puts up with this amount of illegal immigration. Trump is working on seeing that we don't either. The Democrats and the RINOS don't care about U.S. citizens, they just want to keep wages low by bringing more competition for workers. They will not do anything to stop this problem.

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You posted a link the other day which had polls showing Biden would spank Rump in 2020 if he was nominated.

You must be talking about the results of a RealClearPolitics poll I posted on the New Hampshire Democratic primary showing Biden beating the other hapless Democrats.

Yes. The same site whose polls you evidently trust has Biden beating Trump.

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Yes. The same site whose polls you evidently trust has Biden beating Trump.

By golly, they do! And the same site that showed Hillary beating Trump in 2016! haha

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The Democrats and the RINOS don't care about U.S. citizens, they just want to keep wages low by bringing more competition for workers.

You know, like Trump does at Mar-A-Lago and his golf courses...Trump loves paying them cheap wages, no benefits, no taxes - and he gets to cheat US workers out of a job...just like he does with his clothing line made in China...

And as for polls, we're sure you'll enjoy this one - from your favorite site....

Biden also performs best in hypothetical 2020 matchups. Among all registered voters, he leads Trump by 11 points (49-38 percent), up from a 7-point advantage in March.

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/fox-news-poll-biden-up-by-double-digits-in-democratic-race

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Gotta love those polls, lincolnman, thanks!

If you think Sleepy Joe is gonna beat the Trumpster, I have a bridge in Nigeria I'd like to sell you. Are you sure he's gonna be the nominee? What about that articulate, young handsome gay Mayor Pete Buttigieg?

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Trump needs reading glasses and is photoed wearing them.

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/photo-of-trump-peering-over-glasses-turns-heads

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zichi - That's it then - Trump is toast! haha

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Gotta love those polls, lincolnman, thanks!

You bet - Fox News too so has to accurate, right?

If you think Sleepy Joe is gonna beat the Trumpster, I have a bridge in Nigeria I'd like to sell you. Are you sure he's gonna be the nominee?

Fox News thinks so....turning against your preferred network?

And you've dodged this 3 times - any untrue below?

Against chain migration - unless it's his in-laws..

Against employing illegal immigrants - unless it's at his properties...

Against sending US jobs to China - unless it's his and Ivanka's clothing line...

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Oh my. Trusting pollsters when they say something you like and dismissing the same pollsters when they say something you don’t like.

Judge Jinny or whatever her name is would dismiss your testimony as inconsistent, Serrano.

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When the Democrats finish reading the Mueller report, can they get to work on the issues facing the country like BORDER SECURITY, please? Thanks a whole lot in advance.

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When the Democrats finish reading the Mueller report, can they get to work on the issues facing the country like BORDER SECURITY, please? Thanks a whole lot in advance.

The Republicans will never let any legislation pass that threatens their open-borders policy.

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As much as I think Trump is a disaster, it's hard to argue with this immigration idea and with his China views. He is still a disaster but these two things he has got right.

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No, it does not prove any of that. It proves there are some rightwing gun nutters (felons) that had too much time on their hands.

Yeah, too much time Apprehending illegal aliens entering the country at an astonishing rate.

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/03/05/us/border-crossing-increase.html

More than 76,000 migrants crossed the border without authorization in February, an 11-year high and a strong sign that stepped-up prosecutions, new controls on asylum and harsher detention policies have not reversed what remains a powerful lure for thousands of families fleeing violence and poverty.

“The system is well beyond capacity, and remains at the breaking point,” Kevin K. McAleenan, commissioner of Customs and Border Protection, told reporters in announcing the new data on Tuesday.

Don't you know that the vast majority of undocumented immigrants enter through ports of entry where a wall will do zero good?

Not according to the lying NY hating Times

I thought that was elementary knowledge.

It should be....it should be, but alas.....

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Against sending US jobs to China - unless it's his and Ivanka's clothing line...

But stay silent on Feinstein employing illegals, I see....

Trump needs reading glasses and is photoed wearing them.

Did the bored news media write an article of him blowing his nose as well?

Biden also performs best in hypothetical 2020 matchups. Among all registered voters, he leads Trump by 11 points (49-38 percent), up from a 7-point advantage in March.

Ok, and?

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Against sending US jobs to China - unless it's his and Ivanka's clothing line...

But stay silent on Feinstein employing illegals, I see....

Weak dodge, are the clothes made in China; yes or no?

Cites NY Times to prove his point....

Yeah, too much time Apprehending illegal aliens entering the country at an astonishing rate.

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/03/05/us/border-crossing-increase.html

Calls it this in the same post....

Not according to the lying NY hating Times

I guess the hypocrisy doesn't dawn on them....

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Ladies and gentlemen, I present to you, the bubble.

yep the bubble of illusion, delusion, confusion, collusion all mixed together, then you've got a nice big batch of Trump MAGA kool aid, cheers

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Weak dodge,

that’s why we have you to remind us non-stop.

are the clothes made in China; yes or no?

Which clothes aren’t?

Cites NY Times to prove his point....

Because liberals always believe in the truth. lol

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yep the bubble of illusion, delusion, confusion, collusion all mixed together,

And Mueller said, they was none, bubble bursted.

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Which clothes aren’t?

All the labels in the Trump and Ivanka clothes have made in China lables.

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All the labels in the Trump and Ivanka clothes have made in China lables.

Ok, so which clothes label do we all wear that isn’t made in China?

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The Democrats and the RINOS don't care about U.S. citizens, they just want to keep wages low by bringing more competition for workers. They will not do anything to stop this problem.

You've changed your tune on undocumented immigrants from democrats want more voters to democrats want to keep wages low. Odd that it's always Dems pushing for a higher minimum wage.

And Mueller said, they was none, bubble bursted.

No. Mueller said their was not enough evidence to convict on conspiracy charges, but he detailed quite a bit of collusion. You must still think Dems forced all those people on Trump's team to meet with Russians.

that’s why we have you to remind us non-stop.

At least you're owning your dodges. It's a step in the correct direction.

Ok, so which clothes label do we all wear that isn’t made in China?

Answering questions with questions in an attempt to obfuscate. Where other clothes are made does not matter in relation to Donny's utter hypocrisy in having his clothes made in China.

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As far as I am aware there is no official language in USA.

Discrimination against constitution? Nothing new with Trump!

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These militia scumbags are nothing but criminals. The border is ragged and dangerous to cross.

Democrats refuse to work with this President to seal it, talk to Nancy.

It was never that easy for anyone - this 'protect our borders' rhetoric is a crock of hateful crap made up and amplified out of proportion by a racist motormouth Mussolini.

So you’re saying, we should allow anyone and everyone in just because they want to? No sane country does that and the ones that due are suffering a political backlash because of it.

I can't believe how anyone can take this idiot seriously by now.

If they didn’t, he would have never made it to the Presidency.

He has shown, expressed and done nothing but express his moronic hatred and bigotry towards Hispanics, even to the point of kidnapping thousands of their children and holding them in concentration camps! Justify THAT! You can't.

That is absolutely not true. There is nowhere that you can show me Trump said, he hated Hispanics. Just because he advocates strong borders and legal immigration doesn’t make him a racist. He can’t be. If he were, he would never allow his daughter to marry a Jew or change her religion. As for the kids, Obama did the same thing in 2014, Yeah, the media kept a lid on it because of their love affair for him, but his administration did separate children. If people don’t want that they shouldn’t come illegally and expect they can get in. We all want and like immigration as long as it’s legal.

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Democrats refuse to work with this President to seal it, talk to Nancy.

Incorrect. Dems are willing to seal the border, just not with an ineffective wall.

When did immigration become such a priority for conservatives? They weren't interested in it in 2013 when they killed two immigration reform bills. They didn't want to take any action, not even get the ball rolling.

So you’re saying, we should allow anyone and everyone in just because they want to? No sane country does that and the ones that due are suffering a political backlash because of it.

No, that is not what was being said. Re-read the comment you quoted. Pay careful attention to the first seven words.

He can’t be. If he were, he would never allow his daughter to marry a Jew or change her religion.

You're trying to apply logic and rationality to a racist! Too hilarious.

As for the kids, Obama did the same thing in 2014,

Incorrext. Obama did not have a policy of separating children from their families.

Yeah, the media kept a lid on it because of their love affair for him,

Is that why we can easily find articles that tell us Obama was not separating children from their families?

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Incorrect. Dems are willing to seal the border, just not with an ineffective wall. 

I see, so they’ll do it with some invisible barrier or bullhorn to chase them back. Funny, none of the liberal networks ever talk to Homeland, ICE or CBP ever. The Democrats think they know and have the answers, but refuse to talk to the people that do the very job to keep the borders safe and we know why. Nice try.

When did immigration become such a priority for conservatives? They weren't interested in it in 2013 when they killed two immigration reform bills. They didn't want to take any action, not even get the ball rolling.

No, immigration was and has always been an issue for conservatives since 1986 and yet, the democrats refused to completely stop chain migration, stop the visa lottery program stop catch and release and stop birthright citizenship, they are not willing to do that and that is exactly what the Republicans want.

You're trying to apply logic and rationality to a racist! Too hilarious.

No, I have known and met racist people and most don’t make exceptions for one minority over another. Either they hate them or they don’t. I know the media is trying so hard to drill that narrative, but it won’t work. Omarosa knows that.

Incorrext. Obama did not have a policy of separating children from their families.

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2018/06/24/obama_dhs_sec_jeh_johnson_we_detained_children_it_was_necessary.html

They were detained and yet, the media tried very hard to keep it on the low. And still after that the administration wasn’t willing to change the laws to stop illegal immigration.

If they can stop chain migration, stop the visa lottery program, stop catching release and stop birthright citizenship the Republicans will be on board immediately

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No, immigration was and has always been an issue for conservatives since 1986

Yes, and Reagan inked 3M green card amnesty around that time.

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2018/06/24/obama_dhs_sec_jeh_johnson_we_detained_children_it_was_necessary.html

That means Trump is weak and gave illegals and kids greenlight to come across the border. OK, argument settled. Obama started snatching kids and Trump finished it (which makes Trump the weak one). If I were a Trump person I would be very mad at Trump.

The Trump wall is a joke. They will just use ladders and ropes and shovels. Also, drones for the drugs. It will continue to get worse.

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