Second whistleblower in Trump-Ukraine scandal comes forward

"I doubt if the China comment was serious to tell you the truth,"

Says it all about Trump: any time he speaks, anything he says, no one knows whether he's serious or telling the truth. Given how many times he's flip-flopped on what he'd previously said and given how many times he's flat out lied, he can't be taken seriously.

Critical to being an effective leader in any organization, especially a leader of a nation, is being an effective communicator. And Trump clearly isn't either an effective leader or communicator.

What you see is what you get: Trump's always been dishonest. Corrupt businessman, corrupt politician. Leopards and spots.

Stand strong, whistle blowers. You are in the right!

Courage is contagious. 

Thank you for working for the government of the people, by the people, and for the people .............. unlike this president* and his administration that only work for themselves.

What does it tell us when there are more whitstleblowers speaking out than republican senators.

What does it tell us when there are more whitstleblowers speaking out than republican senators.

One possible answer is the whistle blowers care more than the senators about the nation's laws and the fundamental principles it was built on.

Another is most Republican senators see their duty first and foremost is to protect the wealth of the country's wealthiest, especially those contributing to their campaign war chests.

In other words, the whistle blowers say country first, the Republican senators say the money they're making and getting from those in their elite class comes first. The Republicans know Trump cares next to jack anything about the country, only about his family wealth.

What does it tell us when there are more whitstleblowers speaking out than republican senators.

I think it is the silence of the republican senators that is starting to worry Trump.  In my view many of them are starting to distance themselves from him.  Not criticising him at this time, but less and less are coming up with ridiculous defences of his corrupt conduct.  Come the day that senate votes whether or not to convict Trump, Mitch will be desperately working the phones to make up the numbers.  Problem for Trump is within US politics he has no real friends.  No one who can say Don is a good man and I'll stand by him.

Will there be enough whistles to go around? And already in the near distance we can hear the bells, too, tolling for the demise of the festering Trump franchise riddled with shabby corruption and mendacious cant.

If he’s serious about asking Xi to dig dirt on Biden, it would be a massive gift of leverage in the Trade negotiations - to use against Trump. The Chinese are done with Trump though and will wait. A year and a few months will go by in no time.

@burningbush  if the US was secretly

'If'. Lots of whatabouts to be asked. So many ways to distract and deflect from the case at hand. Hopefully that tactic, one that's been used by the global alt right can be ignored in Trump's latest debacle and truth will be allowed, not pointing at shiny squirrels, alt facts and fake news.

Funny, the Democrats don’t know when they keep getting plunked by this President and they fall for it every single time. If you believe he wants China to investigate the Biden’s you have been drinking too much Cuervo.

Stand strong, whistle blowers. You are in the right!

Courage is contagious. 

So is deep State cowardice. These spies think they can change the perception of the fallout, good luck. But as Trump said, bring it on. Love that tenacity!

Thank you for working for the government of the people, by the people, and for the people.............. unlike this president and his administration that only work for themselves. *

You say often the most hilarious things. I’ll reverse what you said, these spies think they can somehow try pass on information that they know the Democrats will pick up, but in reality can’t use effectively against this President, cheap and cowardly, anyway their identities will come out sooner or later. It’s Washington, remember.....

What does it tell us when there are more whitstleblowers speaking out than republican senators

More Obama government holdovers busy bees....lol

@bas4f

spies

Obama

deep State

Terms straight from the global alt right glossary, terms parroted by true believers and other followers of corporatist authoritarianism bent on undermining principles of nation's built on democratic principles. When's Trump's next beer hall rally?

"I doubt if the China comment was serious to tell you the truth," U.S. Senator Roy Blunt, a Republican member of the Senate Intelligence Committee, said on CBS' "Face the Nation."

I think it was completely serious. His apologists must be pretty desperate if they're trying to spin it as a joke, but I imagine the usual lot will soon be saying how they love it when he trolls liberals.

More Obama government holdovers busy bees....lol

Hardly, likely a Bush hire....as was mentioned yesterday, more and more Repubs are finding their spine and turning on Donnie.

We enjoy watching the Civil War - keep dissing each other - RINOs, con-men, fake conservatives...

We love it - it's called fratricide - makes 2020 so much easier.....

Hey Repubs, Trump just called Romney a pompous a$$ - Trumpers, Romney said Donnie's conduct was appalling....

This is almost as entertaining as the 2016 Repub clown debates...

Of course, since Donnie has already admitted to Abuse of Authority X2, and more and more Whistle Blowers are speaking out about the cover-up, the RINOs have the upper hand...

Second whistleblower in Trump-Ukraine scandal comes forward

oops!

The complaint, filed with the inspector general on Aug. 12, cited information received from half a dozen U.S. officials expressing concern that Trump was using the power of his office to solicit interference from a foreign country as he seeks re-election to a second term in 2020

Which we know he did via the transcripts. At this point the whistleblowers are showing how many people are concerned about his actions.

What concerns me is what he's willing to do for another country who promises to help. He'd sell us all out because that's the type of man he is.

Today Lindsey Graham said on Fox that he will expose the identities of the whistleblowers by making then testify in Congress. That's a clear message to anyone else who might want to speak up. Banana republic stuff.

And thank God for the Washington Post.

Anyone can be a whistleblower at this point as everyone now has at least second hand knowledge of this. Another word that is losing its meaning thanks to Dem abuse.

For whistleblower to have any meaning these people will have to come forward and put their names and credibility out there.

for all we know, these people are Comey and Brennan.

@blacklab another word that is losing its meaning

Losing its meaning to Trump backers? Perhaps it's being replaced by 'spies', 'hoax', 'scam', 'scandal', 'witch hunt', etc. I do agree with you that the global alt right have used their own word spins to appeal to their followers, especially words that are easily remembered and easily parroted. Words to be shouted at beer hall rallies.

Ah “beer hall rallies” huh? Why don’t you just say what you mean instead of misusing words?

There have been no rallies in beer Halls. Just near capacity arenas not selling beer.

for complaining about the “truth” all the time liberals sure have no relationship with it.

Blacklabel:. Anyone can be a whistleblower at this point as everyone now has at least second hand knowledge of this. Another word that is losing its meaning thanks to Dem abuse.

Absolutely incorrect. The claims are reviewed by the IG to determine if they are urgent and credible. "The Dems" are not involved in the process.

Except when “the Dems” were contacted before the claim was even filed.

Except when the Dems encouraged the claim to be filed, sent staffers to Ukraine, tweeted the allegations weeks prior and recommended to get a (Clinton) lawyer. Then feigned surprise when the IG announced the claim.

except all that, not involved at all.....

Anyone can be a whistleblower

No. A whistleblower must be a person in a position to know what is happening. Furthermore, their accusations are against those above them - one can simply fire a subordinate but not a superior. That is why their identity must be protected. To take such responsibility is an extremely brave act.

Another CIA employ who coordinated his tale with Adam Schiff, like the first one?

But of course, in the world CNN the deep state corruption is irrelevant.... it is all about orange man bad, all the time, non-stop.

Today Lindsey Graham said on Fox that he will expose the identities of the whistleblowers by making then testify in Congress. That's a clear message to anyone else who might want to speak up. Banana republic stuff.

Exactly - which is not surprising - it's the exact reason Putin launched his sweeping and systemic influence campaign - to elect a known pervert, liar, con-man, and moron - who would then lead the US from its preeminent position to that of a third world country.

And all the Repubs are following right in line - marching to Russia's tune. Well, all except Romney.

Amazing isn't it - the once staunch anti-communist/anti-Soviet Republican Party now the "Guardians of Putin"....

So an elected president can be removed by anonymous hearsay from a partisan Democrat who worked in the Dem White House? (IG said so)

The person never needs to even come forward? Cause Orangeman bad or something?

It will not matter to Trumplets, they have been dyed Red by Comrade Putin and can just see red everywhere.

Even when we get evidence of donny handing over national secrets to Putin, the intellectually challenged Trumplets will still find a way to justify it.

@blacklabelAh “beer hall rallies” huh? Why don’t you just say what you mean instead of misusing words?

You are right. I'll no longer use that term. Trump's rallies have yet to be held in a beer hall. However, the resemblance to those held in the 1930's is remarkably similar. Find 'others' to assail, glorify the leader, and provide lots of slogans to be repeated. Maybe it's best to describe Trump's rallies simply as infomercials, perhaps advertisements for Trump (paid for by US taxpayers), maybe other opportunities to fuhrer push the global alt right agenda.

second whistleblower

When that one fails watch them bring out a third one. Hey, they brought out a third Kavanaugh accuser.

The Democrats have made the House of Representatives a total joke.

The Chinese are done with Trump though and will wait. A year and a few months will go by in no time.

For the Chinese, the next year and few months will not go by quickly. And then they'll have another 4 years to go. They'll make a deal.

BlacklabelToday  10:16 am JST

So an elected president can be removed by anonymous hearsay from a partisan Democrat who worked in the Dem White House? (IG said so)

The person never needs to even come forward? Cause Orangeman bad or something?

I don't know what you're getting so worked up about. If that's all it is then surely the Senate will vote to exonerate Trump.

@blacklabSo an elected president can be removed by

That's one way of looking at it. I'd say he should be removed if he's found to have been involved illegally with foreign nations (Russia, Ukraine, China, Australia, etc.). And especially if he's found to have laundered money and committed other crimes. That Tramp has got his supporters convinced they should believe the Kremlin's reports and not those of US and other 'western' nation's intelligence services may not be criminal, but does say a lot for Trump and his followers' loyalties.

Didn't know that US law allows intelligence officers to anonymously release classified information.

It seems it all depends on whose side you're on.

Manning, Assange, Snowden, Seth Rich = bad

Anti-Trump wistleblowers = good

Blacklabel:. Except when “the Dems” 

Irrelevant to your factually incorrect statement. If you have to mislead, then you're on the wrong side.

So an elected president can be removed by anonymous hearsay from a partisan Democrat who worked in the Dem White House? (IG said so)

Again, factually incorrect. If you have to mislead, then you're on the wrong side.

No matter how many "whistleblowers" the democra/socialists say they have, President Trump should use every on-camera opportunity to say, "We will only cooperate with formal impeachment proceedings that take place after a floor vote in Congress. Not before. You want it? Vote for it."

Texas A&M AggieToday  10:53 am JST

No matter how many "whistleblowers" the democra/socialists say they have, President Trump should use every on-camera opportunity to say, "We will only cooperate with formal impeachment proceedings that take place after a floor vote in Congress. Not before. You want it? Vote for it.

Why? If you don't take the whistleblowers seriously it doesn't matter, surely? Trump will be safe in the Senate, won't he? The only reason I can see for not playing along is if there is actually a lot more incriminating stuff that might come out.

TheLongTermerToday  11:48 am JST

But what I cant understand is why CNN keeps repeating the same narrative that "joe biden and hunter did absolutely nothing wrong. zelch. zero proof."

Its not a stretch to conclude that there are issues with Hunters habitual...

Conclude what you like. Doesn't mean anything without tangible evidence.

Problem for Trump is within US politics he has no real friends.

Ha ha , you get it all wrong

Its not the repubs that count, its their constituents, and they are showing up huge numbers to support Trump.

Nobody cares anymore about a repub or dem; basically the same thing.

Useless

I do like it that no one is even bother to waste time on this Biden's son conspiracy theory that they're bleating about. Previously, people wasted time dealing with their conspiracy theories. Now we just point out how silly they are. We can't be wasting time on pretending like their conspiracy theories deserve an equal voice over actual real issues.

In the end they're the team who cried wolf, except that it turns out that on top of there not having been a wolf when they cried, there isn't one now either, and in fact, they have some weird thing going on where they think everyone everywhere is a wolf all the time.

Whistle blowers are not participants of partisanship and treason. Whistle blowers expose unconstitutional acts and acts that leaders want to keep a secret. They are absolutely necessary. Trump's ways are really more suitable to Japan and China, top down, but it really isn't the spirit of the American government whose laws are written to prevent the abuse of powers. Kudos to calling Trump out.