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Trump accuses impeachment witness of lying, defends use of Giuliani
By Lisa Lambert and Steve Holland WASHINGTON©2024 GPlusMedia Inc.
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takeda.shingen.1991@gmail.com
Lulz The witnesses all testifies under oath, Donny, which you refused to do. Who to believe, who to believe? :D
David Varnes
Petulant man-child throwing a tantrum and whining now.
CrazyJoe
This impeachment inquiry isn’t just an indictment on Trump’s criminality, it’s an indictment of the whole GOP.
takeda.shingen.1991@gmail.com
Between a lying coward who refuses to testify under oath and career public servants, hell yes, I'll stick with the public servants.
Chip Star
"I guarantee you that never took place," Trump told Fox News Channel's "Fox & Friends" program.
Given this came from Donny, we know it did happen. Donny has as much credibility as R. Kelly.
SuperLib
Do Trump fans really believe this garbage? Or do they think Trump is being a nutjob?
Chip Star
They believevwhatever Donny tells them to believe. It's partly loss aversion.
No, they think, despite the mountains of evidence to the contrary, that Donny is intelligent.
SuperLib
And hats of to Schiff who played this perfectly. Not only did he expose corruption, he exposed those who were willing to lie for Trump.
Now the GOP will be forced to hold a sham trial before letting their guilty President walk free because party before country.
Embrace the humiliation.
Chip Star
Ome has to have a measurable amount of integrity to feel humiliation. This precludes Trumpophiles from feeling humiliation.
bass4funk
What crime?
Hmmm....not looking like, this is all backfiring so bad on the Democrats and next month it’s going to get worse on revealing the Dems criminality...real criminality it would seem.
Ah_so
Time to call Giuliani to Congress to help in three impeachment enquiry. It looks to me that there is enough on him for the police to get involved with his role in trying to use a foreign power to manipulate US elections.
Yubaru
Sadly because there is no clear cut "smoking-gun" type of evidence to actually prove Trump guilty of bribery here, the odds of him getting kicked out of office by the Senate are pretty slim to me.
Trump does not care if he is impeached, yet it also seems like he is setting up Giuliani to be his fall guy!
bass4funk
You are joking? I know you didn’t say that with a straight face.
Wait until the Senate show how the Dems would lie and upstage the Presidency as well as the Constitution.
Lol, you read my mind and that we can all go to Chucky Cheese and celebrate!
Embrace the humiliation.
CrazyJoe
Bottom line: "We're committed to protecting the president and his many crimes, we just wish he'd stop making it so much more uncomfortable for us."
The Republicans only care about the rule of law when it is used against their opponents. This one sided rule of law is the stuff of tyranny and the end of a democratic republic.
SuperLib
You said that about the last one, then when the report showed that you got duped, you simply chose to not believe it.
So either way you should be fine.
Kobe White Bar Owner
“saying Giuliani's crime-fighting abilities were needed to deal with a corrupt country” pot calling the kettle black!!!!
u_s__reamer
The picture of self-hugging Trump is that of a man who is beginning to finally understand the minatory adage, "be careful what you wish for" and yet continues to spew nonsense in an attempt to avoid responsibility for his self-made predicament. The ludicrous reputation of Rudy "America's Mayor" Ghouliani is a total fabrication of the media which scrambled to cover up the tragic and unnecessary deaths of over 300 firefighters who were ordered into the towers without the proper instructions and with malfunctioning phone devices and equipment that made communication impossible and sealed the fate of most of those firefighters. The New York mayor was praised for his "leadership" while he in turn praised the "heroic" firefighters whose deaths were largely on account of his abysmal lack of preparation and his half-baked decisions. Sondland knows the real Rudy: "Rudy f---s everything up". Wake up, America! (I said that)
bass4funk
Actually, it didn’t.
I did, but I think you saw something different as most liberals do, the same way you think Hillary won and even act as if she’s the President, because she won the popular vote. Lol
I’m always fine and seeing the Presidents poll numbers still steady in the 40’s even after this farce and even rising and having more money than the Democrats poll numbers rising in Wisconsin by 2%...with the exception of Bloomberg who’s going nowhere and soon as this goes to the Senate and they can call their witnesses and we’ll get to finally see Hunter and E....I mean, the whistleblower and maybe even Schiff, but yeah, I’m happy.
bass4funk
Dems protected Holder, he protected Obama and the Dems protected Hillary, so what’s your point? Bottom line?
If only that were true, historically, the Dems always had the activist judges and the SC on their side, that’s all changed now, get used to it, we did.
SuperLib
Sondland is a Democrat? And the other witnesses, too?
Blacklabel
Sondland tricked all of you.
https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/opinion/columnists/ambassador-sondlands-slick-move
remember how I kept telling you about his “presumptions”.
Strangerland
This whole story is a mess.
A competent president would know not to use his personal lawyer to do state business, because it can lead to problems exactly like the one we are seeing now. The very fact that Trump is having to defend Guiliani is due to the fact that he was stupid enough to use him in the first place. Trump says he was the right man for the job, ignoring the fact staring us all right in the face that if he was the right man for the job, we wouldn't be having this discussion right now. Trump once again literally saying the opposite of the reality we all live in, even if some would choose to deny that.
I usually speak of Trump speaking falsehoods, not lies, because a lie requires intent, and a lot of the time I think Trump is too stupid or too uninformed to even know he's speaking a falsehood, therefore we cannot know if he had intent to spread that falsehood, or truly believed it.
When someone is falsely accused with a lie, they will defend themselves. After all the other person is accusing them of intentionally spreading a falsehood - it's an attack on the person's moral character.
Trump is defending himself in the above quote... except that he's not. He doesn't say he didn't do it, he says he 'guarantees' that 'never took place'. Not 'I didn't do that', just that the event didn't happen. A person defending their honor against accusations of lying does not separate the incident from themselves. They will frame the statement directly on themselves; 'I did not do/say that'. Trump doesn't defend himself, he states that an incident didn't happen - very weird wording for someone accused of a lie.
And, he guarantees it didn't happen. A guarantee? That's a promise that if something doesn't meet an expected requirement, rectification of some sort will be provided. Which is a particularly strange way to defend yourself from an accusation of moral indiscretion. 'If it turns out I was lying, I'll rectify it somehow'. Again, the usage of the word disconnects himself from the action being discussed.
He never once denied he was on this phone call. And he did not promise he wasn't either. He said some incident didn't happen, and if it did, he'll provide some sort of rectification.
We cannot know for sure if he is a liar, but the words above are those a liar would use.
Serrano
Democrats also are looking into whether Trump abused his power by withholding $391 million in security aid to Ukraine as leverage to pressure Kiev into digging up dirt on his political adversaries
Trump said Ukraine is "known as being the third most corrupt country in the world."
"Are we going to be sending massive amounts of money to a country and they're corrupt and they steal the money and it goes into everybody's bank account?
It's already been proven the Ukrainians didn't know the know the security aid was going to be withheld, and when it became apparent that Zelensky was indeed taking steps to combat corruption, the aid was released, which is far more useful to fight the RUSSIANS with than the pillows and blankets Obama sent.
The Republican president took issue with testimony on Thursday by David Holmes, a U.S. embassy official in Ukraine. Holmes said under oath that at a Kiev restaurant he overheard a July 26 cellphone conversation in which Trump loudly pressed Gordon Sondland, the U.S. ambassador to the European Union, for details on whether Ukraine would carry out politically motivated investigations the president was seeking.
Yeah, sure, no doubt David "Bat Ears" Holmes heard that conversation. He's got the ears of a bat, I bet he can hear a pin drop on the other side of a room even when Maxine Waters is screaming for Trump's impeachment.
In any case, he can't prove anything.
"I guarantee you that never took place," Trump told Fox News Channel's "Fox & Friends" program.
How dare Trump defend himself! Impeach! Impeach! lol
bass4funk
No, but he was all over the place, but he didn’t help the Dems at all...strange man....I have to admit his testimony was the oddest.
Blacklabel
As far as David Holmes, his wife worked in Ukraine and is friends with the whistleblower. 40 min opening statement to tell us about 2 mins of a 10 min phone call. Once the topic changed from Ukraine he claims he supposedly couldn’t hear anymore. Sketchy.
SuperLib
The hearings in the House played out as I predicted. Our articulate, passionate diplomats explained in great detail about Trump's inappropriate actions. All of them said quid pro quo from Taylor to Hill to Holmes to Sondland to Vindman. And as I predicted, Trump and his fans attacked our patriots simply for standing up for what is right.
Have you guys seen this yet? It's Nunes reaction after Sondland testified: https://www.reddit.com/r/gifs/comments/dz6iv1/devin_nunes_after_ambassador_sondlands_testimony/. Some people have put it to music...."So you had a bad day...."
What are you trying to prove? That everyone who testified, all of them, were wrong about quid pro quo? That's just plain silly. Even you know he did it. You're just looking for a legal loophole to get your guilty guy off because Trump before country.
Unless, of course, you don't think Trump did it. Perhaps it's all just a misunderstanding. Perhaps there was never any real delay in the money and Trump didn't put conditions on it and Trump would never put himself before country. Is that what your believe in your heart?
Blacklabel
Everyone except Sondland actually answered no to quid pro quo. But don’t let that bother you. or the fact that the USA used to “offer” quid pro quo as part of Democrat military aid policy.
Restoration of military aid: United States offers quid pro quo
https://tribune.com.pk/story/238232/restoration-of-military-aid-united-states-offers-quid-pro-quo/?amp=1
Blacklabel
That quid pro quo wasn’t a problem at all. The Democratic Senator wasn’t investigated and neither was the president.
I wonder who was President in 2011? Hmmm....
SuperLib
You did? Sweet, so you agree with this:
"However, we did not find documentary or testimonial evidence that improper considerations, including political bias, directly affected the specific investigative decisions we reviewed.
(below is about the texts)
Our review did not find evidence to connect the political views expressed in these messages to the specific investigative decisions that we reviewed; rather, consistent with the analytic approach described above, we found that these specific decisions were the result of discretionary judgments made during the course of an investigation by the Midyear agents and prosecutors and that these judgment calls were not unreasonable."
https://docs.google.com/viewerng/viewer?url=https://www.justice.gov/file/1071991/download
Strangerland
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Good to see you admitting it.
I mean, we've all been able to see it clear as day, but until now you were putting forward a front.
lincolnman
And the Trumpers here giving us our daily dose of comedy....
"Holmes has big ears" - sure, great comeback after he nailed Donnie to the QPQ "How's the investigation coming"...
Anyone else spit out their coffee? Sure, take the Dimwit at his word - I mean he said Mexico will pay for the wall 67 times - "mark my words"...and just look how that has turned out...
And Donnie knows phony deals - he just had to pay a $2 million fine because his Veterans charity was just a slush fund for him to buy portraits of himself... Way to stick up for our Vets Cadet Bonespurs...
https://www.voanews.com/usa/judge-fines-trump-2-million-misusing-charity-foundation
And its on the record they talked at least 20 times...
As did the REPUB-led Senate Intel Committee under Repub Senator Burr - so come on Trumpers, don't believe your own REPUB report? Explain that...
And you're going to get one Donnie - and Pompeo, Pence, Mulvaney, Perry, and Bolton are all going to be subpoenaed and required to detail all the crime, corruption, and dirty deals you directed them to do. And after that, when you're impeached and thrown out in humiliation, the NYSD Attorney has another trial waiting for you - remember "Individual-1"?
Hey Stone, hang in there, you'll soon be getting a bunk mate...
bass4funk
It sure did.
https://www.businessinsider.com/trump-impeachment-tv-viewership-comparisons-2019-11
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/trump-impeachment-inquiry/impeachment-hearings-play-big-tv-less-so-viewers-n1081711
Judging by the lack of people watching, passion wasn’t enough to get people to watch. 13 million viewers?? Seriously? Even the last season of GoT had more than 126 million viewers.
They also said, presumed, overheard, not sure, quite possible...ok, so nothing concrete...again.
Democrats did the same to Petraeus, Flynn, Arpio, Clarke, West, Powell, Kelly and Bolton, or are you implying you are not allowed to attack a patriot that’s against Trump or a patriot that turns on Trump? Which one?
How is he guilty? The US legal system is not Japan’s legal system. In the US ”you are always innocent first until proven guilty.” So how would you know? You couldn’t possibly know whether the President is guilty or not, but as far as the public is concerned, they’re not convince or moved.
I think Trump was a bit wrong with the call, but it doesn’t even come close to being an impeachable offense and now the Dems want to further solidify this Presidents grip on power for next year. This is the worst thing they could have undertaken, but for Trump this is looking more like a coup and once the Senate calls witnesses and the timing of the IG report and the Senate hearings, this is so going to backfire on the Dems, but they idiotically wanted this.
Pukey2
In yoga, there's what you call the child's pose, or balasana.
With Trump, there's another child's pose. See photo at the top. This just about sums up the man-child.
Chip Star
Three days ago you claimed to not be watching the hearings.
bass4funk
I didn’t, but thanks to the marvel and science of YouTube, they actually saved my life....and my time as well.
SuperLib
All Sondland said was that everyone knew about it, everyone was in the loop, and it was no secret.
Vindman explicitly said that the Ukrainians understood they would get nothing if they didn't announce an investigation.
Fiona Hill: Q: Dr. Hill, you indicated earlier that you had understood that a White House meeting was conditioned on the pursuit by Ukraine of these investigations, is that right? A: Yes, that's correct.
Taylor knew because he was working with Sondland, the guy you said was the only one who said there was quid pro quo. Taylor was also told that if Ukraine didn't announce an investigation, we would be at a "stalemate."
Tim Morrison says it in his testimony: Q: And that that was essentially a condition for the security assistance to be released? A: I understood that that’s what Ambassador Sondland believed. Q: After speaking with President Trump? A: That's what he represented.
I'll just go ahead and stop there.
The right-wing politicians and media are pulling a sleight of hand with the "no quid pro quo" storyline. It goes like this exchange between Republican Elise Stefanik and Morrison:
Q: I wanted to start with a July 25th call between President Trump and President Zelensky. Mr. Morrison, you were on that call, and there was no mention of withholding aid on the call, correct?
A: That is correct, Councilwoman.
Q: And there was no quid pro quo, correct?
A: Correct.
So she's asking about one specific phone call and asking if there was quid pro quo mentioned and the answer is no. Not on that call. But look at the last two lines above. You could report that and technically you would be accurate.
u_s__reamer
... he was all over the place, but he didn’t help the Dems at all...strange man....I have to admit his testimony was the oddest.
The oddness of Sondland's shtick is easily explainable: he doesn't want to do time in a federal "hotel" and so the slippery gonif made sure to get the assurance of the Dems that they would protect his a$$ as long as he gave them enough dope for Trump's rope.
arrestpaul
Elected Democrats have been pushing their lackluster public relations impeachment campaign ever since they finally realized that Hillary had lost her 2nd attempt to become POTUS. Not one of their public hearing witnesses could provide anything other than conjecture as to any actual quid pro quo. The Democrats next step is to decide if they have created enough public support for their own party to survive an actual vote for impeachment.
1glenn
Trump claims everyone is lying except him. Got it.
SuperLib
Call it what it is: a form of psychosis.
"A severe mental disorder in which thought and emotions are so impaired that contact is lost with external reality."
Frank McCloud
takeda.shinden, Vindman testified under oath that he doesnt know the identity of the "whistle blower", when clearly he did - everybody knows. What does that tell us?
SuperLib
The fun part is that you can read your opening statements over and over again and still have no idea what the article is about:
Many Democrats, and Hillary worshippers, were convinced by Hillary's 2nd failure to become POTUS as the reason Trump should be impeached.
The "resist" movement started right after it became apparent that ol' Hillary had lost her 2nd attempt to become POTUS
The Democrats pet media outlets immediately proclaimed that Democrats had finally/once again discovered the smoking gun that they've been claiming to have ever since they discovered that Hillary had lost her 2nd attempt to become POTUS.
Democrats have been dividing the U.S. voters since it finally occurred to them that Hillary could, and did, lose her 2nd attempt to become POTUS.
stormcrow
What a corrupt cast of characters! Flynn, Manafort, Stone, Giuliani along with his Russian mobster friends and Trump sitting on his throne at the top of it. Put 'em all in orange jumpsuits.
I'm happy that Trump is holding on to Giuliani because Giuliani is like a long rope for this president to get all hung up on, so give Trump more rope.
nandakandamanda
Quote: Holmes said under oath that at a Kiev restaurant he overheard a cellphone conversation in which Trump loudly pressed Gordon Sondland, for details on whether Ukraine would carry out politically motivated investigations the president was seeking.
"I guarantee you that never took place," Trump told Fox News Channel's "Fox & Friends" program.
"*That was a total phony deal*," he added.
Nice joke, Mr President!
Strangerland
Yeah, this is the narrative the Hillary Haters would have you believe, because admitting Trump is treasonous would prevent them from enacting retribution on America for not hating Hillary as much as they did in the 2016 election. We all know that if it had been a man who ran against Trump, they would be admitting his treason. It's simple hatred of Hillary that has driven them and Trump's entire presidency.
Chip Star
Cool. So instead of getting the complete picture you're getting some distortion that was filtered through some rightwing hacks. This goes quite far in explaining how wildly inaccurate your posts are.
bass4funk
Jim Jordan-Sondland:
The Ukrainians got a call from the President.
The Ukrainians got a meeting with the President.
The Ukrainians got security assistance from the President.
What did the President get in return? Nothing. No quid pro quo.
Vindman explicitly said that the Ukrainians understood they would get nothing if they didn't announce an investigation.
JORDAN: Why didn't you go directly to your superior with your concerns?
VINDMAN: It was a really busy week. Also the lawyer told me not to talk to anyone else.
JORDAN: And yet you talked to your brother, to George Kent, and a CIA person you won't name.
What we’ve learned so far during this farce.
1 DON'T KNOW ANYTHING! 2 HEARD SOMETHING? 3 WAS NEVER THEIR ! 4 GOT 2,3,4nd Hand Information! 5 NEVER HEARD OF THIS OR THAT ! 6 NO "QUID PRO QUO"! 7 Ukraine’s Did Interfere!TheLongTermer
so lets get this over to the Senate, reprimand Trump, give the Dem cry babies a bone, then get back to the real world.
The Dems will continue with their cannibalism of each other during their silly debates, Hilary will step in, loose the election big time to Trump once again, then Dem clowns will find another reason to impeach Trump, again.
bass4funk
Mark Meadows
My Republican colleagues argue that aid is held up all the time, for all sorts of reasons.
I asked Volker and Morrison if they had ever seen military aid withheld because a president wanted investigations into a political rival.
Volker: "No, I have not seen that"
Morrison: "No"
Yes. Because there was nothing.
So what was this farce about again?
Frank McCloud
Ive noticed that Bass gave straight facts about Vindmans testimony that Trump haters are aggressively giving gnoring.
Chip Star
Bass: You've learned what Fox "News" has told you, not thecreality of the situation. You demonstrate this in every mistake-laden post.
bass4funk
that’s why other people in TV and YouTube they get paid quite a bit of cash to take the headache away so that we get all the good stuff and the most important and relevant details end it also goes to show why liberals are so often wrong on this, they just keep talking and talking and talking, that is one of the reasons why people aren’t watching this farce.
Exactly.
First of all, FNC is not the only network, so right from the starting gate you’re completely wrong.
Strangerland
Heh, sure it's not the only network. Just the only network you get your news from.
Chip Star
The posts here demonstrate that thosevof is who watch the proceedings or read transcripts ourselves are not inaccurate and not repeating blatant inaccuracies like you Trumpophiles do because you get told what happened instead of learning what happened firsthand.
But you do get it via satellite here in Japan, right?
Chip Star
This again? Ratings do not determine credibility, they determine popularity.
That Vindman followed the advice of his lawyer? What z shocker! Why aren't we all pillorying him for follow the advice of his counsel?!
Strangerland
Well no, they make money of creating content for you. They don't employ fact-checkers to check that what they are saying is correct, and beyond that, their motive is financial, to make money. Employing fact-checkers and reporting ethically is not as profitable as just reporting what the people want to hear, so reporting ethically works against their motivations, not towards them.
Blacklabel
Speaking of Vindman $1000 per hour lawyer- who paid him? and what other cases as he involved in? And if they don’t know who the whistleblower is why can’t they say the name of this one person?
Strangerland
Yeah, exactly! You guys haven't figured out how to defend against these guys testimony, so they should be discredited! Keep fighting comrade!
Blacklabel
the testimony is over and it changed nothing. well except presidential approval is up and 10% more independents are against impeachment.
no one who didn’t want him removed on Day 1 now wants him removed
looking forward to biden, chalupa and schiff subpoenas for the Senate. Maybe we can even get some Ukrainians to come testify.
Chip Star
Why does it matter who paid the lawyer unless you're trying to cool up a conspiracy to theorize about.
Irrelevant unless you are trying to create a conspiracy to theorize about.
Because you cannot name someone if you don't know their name. Wow! That was mentally taxing.
Blacklabel
You aren’t even a little curious how vindman could afford that lawyer? Or why he would forgo $1000 an hour fee if not paid?
Strangerland
When you look at this closely, basically the argument is that innocence or guilt is proportional to the number of people paying attention to it.
Can anyone try to put together a logical connection between the two, because I can't even come up with a decent illogical connection!
Strangerland
Fake news from the fake media, reported by those who's characters are of question, and it means nothing anyways. So why you bringing up irrelevant info bro?
Chip Star
No. There are an infinite number of reasons for both, so it's a waste of time speculating unless you're trying to disparage Vindman or the lawyer. The only reason to do either is to create a conspiracy theory to undermine Vindman's testimony of Donny's corruption.
wtfjapan
Do Trump fans really believe this garbage? Or do they think Trump is being a nutjob?
I think its a bit of both
wtfjapan
Curious that Vindman gets the military love cause you like the words he is saying.
no he gets the love because hes a patriot, loves his country and is prepared to go to war and die protecting it and has earned his title because of his dedication. He knows he wont go to prison for telling the truth unlike 6 other Trump associates and counting
Raw Beer
It's unfortunate that this impeachment hysteria distracts us from the much greater crimes, such as the Finders Keepers child trafficking ring or the billions that were laundered by Hunter Biden et al.
Blacklabel
Because Adam schiff was able to get support to start an impeachment hearing by falsely stating the whistleblower would be made available to testify. That was a lie.
wtfjapan
no one who didn’t want him removed on Day 1 now wants him removed
looking forward to biden, chalupa and schiff subpoenas for the Senate. Maybe we can even get some Ukrainians to come testify.
youve been watch Faux News too much
Strangerland
Yes, how can people think the president abusing his office is of more importance than these people whom the right has theorized conspiracies about, and therefore have been proven to be lying by proof discredication of their motivations?
When will people get it through their heads that using the power of the office of president for one's own personal gain is no biggie. Just chill y'all.
wtfjapan
that’s why other people in TV and YouTube they get paid quite a bit of cash to take the headache away so that we get all the good stuff
its called clickbait, you watch it they get paid, doesnt matter if the facts are correct or not, they just behind behind "freedom of speech" if theyre caught stating falsehoods
wtfjapan
the billions that were laundered by Hunter Biden et al.
billions now OK where's all these billions, that amount of money is very difficult to hide , well wait until actually credible evidence is shown. Its far more difficult to manufacture fake believable evidence that will fool a judge and jury than it is to actually report the truth.
wtfjapan
When will people get it through their heads that using the power of the office of president for one's own personal gain is no biggie. Just chill y'all.
well it clearly is illegal and against the constitution especially when the personal gain is to influence a US election,
whats next Trump takes $100million of taxpayers money and puts it in his own account for personal use, after all using the presidency for once own personal gain isnt a biggie.
Using ones position for personally gain leads to corruption and in the extreme form dictatorships, but no its no biggie hey .
Why do you think the forefathers wrote it into the constitution, "because it was no biggie" seriously NFI some people
Blacklabel
no Vindman and schiff act that way. Ok so Vindman and Schiff DO know who it is. Same as all the rest of us. Good to know.
wtfjapan
Trump accuses impeachment witness of lying
oxymoron of the century
Chip Star
Okay. That's not the only reason the Schiff got support for the impeachment inquiry and it's not longer important because of the corroboration of the whistleblower's information.
bass4funk
Well, now that this farce is over, it’s off to the Senate and just can’t wait to see this trial unfold and in the end watch Schiff and the rest of the Dems eat crow.
Thank you, Mr. Schiff for helping the President slide into his 2nd term.
Chip Star
You can't wait for two irrelevant people to testify IF they decide not to defy the subpoenas? Cool.
Why would your team need witnesses when your team has already declared they don't need to hearcamy evidence and the evidencectheycdo hear will simply be disregarded?
Irrelevant to your assertion that ratings determine the credibility of witnesses or proceedings. Let's try to stay focused just a bit.
The farce of Jordan's assertions? I don't believe a person that allowed child molestation to occur under his watch.
Are you citing polls to support your position again? When the poll supports your position, it is gospel. When it doesn't support your position, it's blasphemy. Transparent hypocrisy.
Chip Star
And it doesn't matter at all because the information was corroborated. You people are so desperate your are eschewing logic and facts to try to cough up more integrity to protect Donny. Sad.
ulysses
Donny accuses people, who testified under oath, of lying.
Donny refuses to testify under oath!
Enough said!
ulysses
Is Donny lying or is he chicken?
Me thinks it’s both!
Frank McCloud
Im not interested in seeing the tax returns of a president who was a millionaire before taking office. I am interested in seeing the financial details of a politician (Pelosi, et al) who became a millionaire in office.
ulysses
Donny was the biggest loser in the US in the 1980s and 1990s.
He lost money on a casino, only the dumbest of the businessmen can lose on casinos.
So where do the millions come from?Russia?
Dimwitted Trumplets might not be interested in his tax returns but every one else sure is.
wtfjapan
Im not interested in seeing the tax returns of a president who was a millionaire before taking office.
well you should be , a man who declare bankruptcy 5 times yet has managed to increase his wealth in the process, a man who no US banks will touch a man who has multiple lenders in countries out side the US including Russia. Yep thats certainly something many people would love to seem, nothing illegal done nothing to hide, release your tax returns Mango Mussolini
smithinjapan
Trump has no right to accuse anyone of lying -- he is the biggest liar of them all. Well, worse are his supporters; they even lie to themselves about how low they are, and how disgusting they've become.
bass4funk
Ask them, but whatever their reasons, expect the Senate to out the whistleblower and Hunter.
It’s very relevant because the people realize what a true scam and idiot Schiff
Like this...
https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/adam-schiff-settle-claim/
No, just saw the Nielsen ratings. Terrible. Even GoT has more viewers.
wtfjapan
You are joking? I know you didn’t say that with a straight face.
they say it with a straight face as well as a Trump supporter states the president isnt a liar.
u_s__reamer
Whatever the articles of impeachment turn out to be, if all the "first hand" swampster honchos "in the loop" refuse to testify and ALL the relevant documents and emails are not provided, then the first article of impeachment must be OBSTRUCTION OF JUSTICE and those miscreants found guilty should have to do some serious time for the crime.
ulysses
The best part was Swalwell showing Nunes to be a lying piece of skit.
The GOP is hive of scum and villainy, each worse than the other!!
lincolnman
They said they never saw it, they didn't say it never occurred, like all the other witnesses said it did...
But since you trust Volker so much, then you have to agree with him on this...
BINGO!
Exactly...
We've been asking that ever since Rudy made his first trip to Ukraine....
That would be the second prison term after the NYSD Attorney finishes...
Hey Roger, this is Donnie, howz the prison food? They have any Big Macs?
bass4funk
Most things, I do, but not on this one, even CNN has a story or two that’s non-political.
But where’s the proof? We keep asking and we get no answers, but yes, they never saw it.
But since you trust Volker so much, then you have to agree with him on this.
I trust him also that he said...
JORDAN: Why didn't you go directly to your superior with your concerns?
VINDMAN: It was a really busy week. Also the lawyer told me not to talk to anyone else.
JORDAN: And yet you talked to your brother, to George Kent, and a CIA person you won't name.
Rep. Elise Stefanik: "Did either of you ever have any evidence of quid pro quo? Mr. Morrison?"
Tim Morrison: "No, ma'am."
Rep. Elise Stefanik: "Ambassador Volker."
Kurt Volker: "No, I did not."
Case closed, mic drop. So now that we know this farce is a big joke, let’s see the Dems squirm when Schiff is called to testify or Hunter or the so called whistleblower. I’ll bet you the Dems will get cold feet by then and if they do, it’s all over for them...again.
4 more years of Trump and then watch his wrath and how he unleashes it to all these Democrats, their hell will be just starting. Lol
Chip Star
Outing the whistleblower would be a violation of federal law. Hunter Biden is irrelevant to Donny trying to force Ukraine into assisting jos campaign.
Again, ratings are irrelevant to whether the witnesses or proceedings are credible. You've come full circle on your irrelevance. The greatness we've come to expect from you.
Nielsen ratings are basically polls. Someone should do cursory research before making wild claims.
Chip Star
Your habits regarding whether you think a source is credible are transparent: if it supports your position, it's a credible sources; if it doesn't support your position, it lacks credibility.
The "proof" is in the testimony. Testimony is considered evidence.
Someone has zero clue how this works, but much like Donny, cannot control their compulsion to comment.
bass4funk
No, it wouldn’t, but if the Dems are not serious, McConnell can blow this thing out of the water, so either the Dems comply or this farce will be null and voided. To be honest, I hope the Dems get cold feet.
Not for Graham ans the GOP and the Senate will get to decide that, not the Democrats, their chance to make a case is finished, which they didn’t do.
Not if you want to persuade the people to vote against this President and it’s done exactly the opposite, it’s helped this President. Thanks Schiff.
AND the Dems religiously follow them and they know this was a disaster.
Chip Star
Yes, it would. Do a little research.
Your hyperpartisanship drives you to the point of wanting to see a criminal go free. Very patriotic.
Hunter and the whistleblower can simply defy subpoenas like some of Donny's people have.
Forst, this wasn't your original contention. Your original contention was thag ratings determine the credibility of the witnesses and proceedings, which was utterly incorrect. Instead of admitting your were incorrect, you decided, as usual, to start choosing your tail around trying to avoid admitting your were incorrect.
We weren't discussing whether the Dems religiously follow ratings, we were discussing the indisputable fact that ratings don't determine credibility. Here you are again, chasing your tail so you don't have to admit you were incorrect. Thanks for the laughs.
lincolnman
Says the Rikers Island Warden...
I guess he thinks the Guards are all Dems...makes sense, all his other cell mates are Repubs...
"Hey Stone, stop snoring"....
bass4funk
Yes, it would. Do a little research.
https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2019/09/26/new-york-times-whistleblower-trump-ukraine-228529
What criminal, what crime, in the US you are guilty until proven innocent. Making a stupid phone is not an impeachable offense, so through all this muddle where is the crime?
Good and Graham can call the entire thing off, remember, now the ball is in their court. Well, there goes the Dems impeachment dreams up in smoke.
Yes, you can’t persuade the public if no one is Watching.
But they do and they thought this was going to go very well for them and instead, it’s gone very bad.
bass4funk
In an Oliver Stone movie....
Toasted Heretic
Pompeo paper trail coming soon.
It's all going so very wrong for the Trump adminstration.
Delighted.
bass4funk
-Trump since last Wednesday:
-Approval numbers up 4
-Stock Market at all time high 28,004
-Hearsay is now better than first hand knowledge
-A Star is born: Rep. Stefanik
-Democrats look like partisan hacks that they are
https://edition.cnn.com/2019/11/19/politics/impeachment-polling-public-support/index.html
https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/471338-poll-support-for-impeaching-trump-slips-in-wisconsin
I’d say, it’s been a great week. I’m so delighted.
lincolnman
Good, glad you agree they never saw it but it did occur - but Sondland did see it;"It was a QPQ"....
BINGO! One Trumper who admits the Biden smear was "not credible" Whew, it took awhile but that's a start. So how about you other Trumpers, going to take your Repub witness Volker at his word that the Hunter smear is "not credible"?
Absolutely, we expect to no more Biden non-credible fairy tales...
We've been laughing ever since Trump first tried his Hunter smear...been laughing even harder since Rick Perry did what Trump said Biden did - and left EVIDENCE...
You want to see squirm just wait until Pence, Pompeo, Mulvaney and Perry get called to testify - several will no doubt take the 5th....
Cold feet? Is that the feet of those that Trump refused to allow to testify these past two weeks?
Clear evidence Trumpers have been brainwashed to think he's a god....Putin's poison worked well....
bass4funk
He didn’t...
Sondland: "I never heard from President Trump that aid was conditioned on an announcement of [investigations]."
Goldman: "So you never heard those specific words."
Sondland: "Right. Never heard those words.”
That’s ok, Lindsey will call Biden, let’s see what both have to say.
We’ve been laughing at Hunter.
Doubt it, you can’t squirm when the Dems didn’t make a case, presumptions don’t cut it.
Why are Dems so focused on Russia? Ahhh....Med and his buddy Obama
Chip Star
I love it when our post links that don't support your contentions.
Willful ignorance.
Leningrad Lindsey is trying to open another investigation into the Bidens. That investigstion would be separate to the trial of Donny. Smooth one.
Again, this wasntbyoyr original contention. This is something you latched onto once your contention that ratings determine credibility was pointed out as utterly inaccurate.
Hilarious that you're doubling down on irrelevance justvto avoid admitting your were incorrect.
TheLongTermer
what I think happened is this:
Trump came out with guns blazing, never thinking before opening his mouth (not a crime, and no criminal intent, but he needs to stop doing that) and some residual swamp creatures from the Obama era were plotting. They found their opportunity and jumped on it. Lesson learned; purge all swamp creatures, not just some of them.
Judging from the character and look from the witnesses, this is what happened.
None of it is impeachable, and there will be nothing more to add to it. Just unwind it all in the Senate, and let the Dems have their fun while they can.
ulysses
A poor judge of character, from the looks of it.
Donny still hasn’t figured out that being the head of s shady real estate business and being the head of America are very different.
He might reflect on that in prison, somewhere he is heading soon.
bass4funk
...and the Democrats never learn because of it.
Coming soon when the Senate trials get underway and the can call their witnesses.
Not one thing was inaccurate from what these people were saying, they just helped Trump solidify his 2nd term for the Presidency.
For a week that’s what we were all subjected to, utter irrelevance.
bass4funk
So then where is the proof? Where is the knockout tangible proof? Still waiting....second hand information won’t cut it.
Chip Star
I know you are. But, what am I? Smooth.
Leningrad Lindsey's investigstion into the Bidens is separate from the trial of Donny. Accuracy continues to elude you.
You are soooo far off into the weeds now that you don't even remember your own incorrect assertion that ratings determine credibility of witnesses and proceedings.
Running with irrelevance to try to avoid admitting you were incorrect. Hahahaha!
You have a real difficult time understanding how evidence works, but no problem demonstratingbyour lack of understanding. There rarely is a smoking gun, convictions are based on the totality of the evidence. This means all the physical evidence and testimony taken together.
bass4funk
Which they can still call him up in the Senate trial which will be their right, not to mention 6 of these candidates will have to take time off the campaign trail to vote on convicting and removing Trump and you think these people want to be taken off the campaign trail for this? That all helps Trump.
No, Schiff is, he wanted to go down this road.
Not me, no way! The House Democrats and the rating showed it to be a bust.
I do not, but this spectacle has shown the Democrats really don’t understand the process. Looks like Dershowitz should have failed them in his classes.
Toasted Heretic
Indeed. Trump is in meltdown, lashing out and his supporters are watching (or not watching) the same reality as the rest of us. They just choose to see it through a red mist of denial.
Of course, post-Trump, there will be an awful lot of detritus to be cleared up. He is only a symptom of a greater malaise.
Toasted Heretic
Indeed. And so many threads were disabled because of the Trump bootlickers and their irrelevance.
Toasted Heretic
Hmmm.
A great week or a week of utter irrelevance?
Like their dear leader, the Trumpists contradict themselves a lot.
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-50527849
lincolnman
Uh-oh....
True, but then you have to have a brain to think...
Not a crime? You need a lawyer....but don't call Rudy. It's a violation of 52 U.S. Code 30121; Contributions and donations by foreign nationals, which prohibits "solicitation" a contribution or donation of money or other thing of value, or to make an express or implied promise to make a contribution or donation, in connection with a Federal, State, or local election
Sure, like Sondland (Trump hire), Volker and Kent (Pompeo hire), Williams (Pence hire), Taylor (Pompeo hire).... These were all Repub hires that testified - which is why this was all Repub on Repub warfare...
Then better start purging all the Repub swamp creatures...
Absolutely...
And Trumpers, did you catch this one? Get ready for the subpoena Devin...you are now part of the "loop"...
https://www.huffpost.com/entry/rudy-giuliani-lev-parnas-devin-nunes-joe-biden_n_5dd8a90ee4b0913e6f6cba16
Chip Star
Okay, but this doesn't change the fact that you were wrong about Leningrad Lindsey's investigstion being part of the trial of Donny. You're doing your typical deflection instead of simply admitting your were wrong once again.
You are the one she incorrectly asserted that ratings determine the credibility of proceedings and witnesses, but now you're off on a BUT SCHIFF tangent. You'll go to great lengths to avoid admitting your were utterly incorrect.
A cursory reading of your posts in this thread alone demonstrates otherwise.
Again, viewership does not determine whether an investigation is a bust. We've covered this already.
Yes, you do. Your layman use of "hearsay" demonstrates your complete lack of understanding of evidence.
Given the Dems have been following the rules set by republicans, it sure seems as though you don't know what your talking about yet again.
Kiddie fiddler Dershowitz? Yeah, we should take his word for anything. Hilarious how you despise and denigrate liberals at every opportunity until you find one that's whites themselves out to Fox "News."
bass4funk
Yeah, the liberal msm kept saying that, the WH said, not even close to the truth. Knowing Trump and seeing how this thing unfolded and blew up in their face, I think he was ecstatic.
That’s why the people saw through this joke.
At this point, if the Dems can ever get the WH the Dems will need more than a miracle to make that happen.
Chip Star
Yet Donny's twitter feed and appearances in the media demonstrates how incorrect this claim is.
How do you know? Did you ask everyone? You didn't ask me or any of my friends, so you really have no clue.
Sweet writing.
Chip Star
https://youtu.be/kTMj1W1Q7o8
https://www.politico.com/news/2019/11/22/public-impeachment-hearings-trump-fox-news-072873
https://youtu.be/Menryf9xlWA
No meltdowns there. Just a stable genius expounding on topics in his great and unmatched wisdom. Lmfao!
bass4funk
As if Schiff had a functioning cerebral cortex.
And all proven although not a wise call to make, they couldn’t find anything impeachable, they’re making McConnell’s job easier to not not convict the President.
Then better start purging all the Repub swamp creatures...
Absolutely...
Hunter and the whistleblower get ready and get all your paperwork done, Lindsey is gunning for you in a few weeks.
Chip Star
I know our are, but what am I? How many times have you trotted out this retort in just this thread? Sophisticated.
Says an anonymous internet poster that has a tenuous grasp on reality.
Moscow's job couldn't get any easier as he and Leningrad have already said they won't listen to the evidence presented. Can you say prejudicial?
All the swamp creatures Donny brought into the swamp, which turned the swamp into a cesspool? You're all over the place now. That's what happens when you have been posting for 10 straight hours after having only taken a six and a half hour break last night.
Chip Star
As part of the trial of Donny or in a separate investigation?
bass4funk
Because people were giddy seeing how this scam was such a joke.
Ditto
2012 Medvedev flexibility..
They were all Obama holdovers and Trump should have done a Reagan ans fired them all.