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Asked whether Trump has the power to give himself a pardon, Giuliani said, "He's not, but he probably does." Giuliani added that Trump "has no intention of pardoning himself," but that the U.S. Constitution, which gives a president the authority to issue pardons, "doesn't say he can't."

Speaking on ABC's "This Week" program, Giuliani added, "It would be an open question. I think it would probably get answered by, gosh, that's what the Constitution says."

GOP circa 2016: "Donald Trump is so rich, he'll definitely surround himself with the smartest experts!"

But do go on. There is no surer way to unite the country against Trump than to continue talking about him pardoning himself for serious crimes like obstruction of justice and subverting our democracy, not to mention the bog-standard corruption he has escalated to previously untold levels.

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The one consistent thread in the memo sent by Trump's lawyers to Robert Mueller in January is that Trump is a criminal, but because he succeeded in stealing the Presidency with help from a foreign adversary he should now be treated as if he's a king who's above the law.

Hard to believe, but that's where we're at as a country right now.

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Trump is now entering full Caligula mode with Giuliani as an elderly Incitatus, appearing on television every weekend to confound the world with whinnied nonsense.

Since Trump's bizarre economic "plan" is going to send the US into reccession and further accelerate the rise of China, it's only a matter of time before one of two things happens:

1) As their betrayal becomes obvious to all, a torchlit mob of Rust Belters wielding pitchforks storms the White House and defenestrates Trump.

2) His Praetorian Guard removes him in traditional fashion.

Whatever happens, it's going to get even uglier than it is already.

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But do go on. There is no surer way to unite the country against Trump than to continue talking about him pardoning himself for serious crimes like obstruction of justice and subverting our democracy,

Yeah, but what’s the crime?

not to mention the bog-standard corruption he has escalated to previously untold levels.

Ok, put the talking points aside, what’s the hard hitting evidence that the President committed a crime? Over a year and nothing. So what crime?

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It's quite clear that this investigation isn't going to go away quietly. But why would there be talk about Trump pardoning himself, if he's as innocent as his devotees claim?

Still, it's a joy to behold Giuliani's appearances, as each time he seems to be digging that hole even deeper.

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Why even talk of pardon if he didn't do anything wrong ?

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trump hesitates/refuses to issue pardons/commutations in cases of genuine miscarriage of justice but, doesn't blink when getting his cronies off.

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That is inevitable although he likes to talk tough!

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Ok, put the talking points aside, what’s the hard hitting evidence that the President committed a crime? Over a year and nothing.

It's been over year, but who said there's nothing? They're not obligated to reveal the evidence they have while the investigation is in progress.

So what crime?

Ask Trump. As others here have pointed out, he's the one talking about pardoning himself for something.

As far as what's been made public, there's plenty of circumstantial evidence pointing to Trump having contact with and borrowing money from Russia and the Saudis since before the election. That alone is not collusion or necessarily a crime, but having massive personal debt to foreign countries is a big enough conflict of interest that even Trump felt the need to hide it, possibly obstructing justice and committing a crime in the process.

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while the investigation is in progress.

I think I'll be reading this same comment in 2023.

Nice journalism Reuters. Top notch investigation there. Meanwhile UFO's are attacking Madagascar, and the Lemurs have started a #meetoo and go fund me campaign.

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 why wouldn't the FBI or Department of 'Justice' have told me that they were secretly investigating Paul Manafort

Looks like the last conspiracy theory lost steam and team Trump needs a few new ones to suck the air out of what is really happening.

Even Nunberg says the claim about Manafort is stupid.

Trump team's release of the memo obviously is another Trump team tactic to continue sowing doubts about the Mueller investigation.

Guliani's main job is only to sow confusion and conspiracies. He is the second most perfect person for that job, behind Trump.

So what crime?

Looks like obstruction is becoming a bigger and bigger possibility. The January memo admits that Trump dictated the misleading statement about Don Jr's meeting to get Russian dirt. We are also finding out that Trump attempted numerous times to get Sessions to "un-recuse" himself and assert power over the Mueller investigation.

Then there is the collusion investigation. Too many people (including Trump) had advance knowledge of Russia's efforts and were seeking help from Russia. They have played dumb and conveniently forgetful in testimony about phone calls and discussions.

Trump will fight a subpoena because everyone knows the noose is tightening and any testimony will be damning. In the end, he will lose and look even worse for fighting it. Trump will be a terrible witness for himself because he lies as a matter of habit.

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"As only one of two people left who could become President, why wouldn't the FBI or Department of 'Justice' have told me that they were secretly investigating Paul Manafort (on charges that were 10 years old and had been previously dropped) during my campaign? Should have told me!"

Because Donald, you were NOT the annoited one, you were not supposed to win. The evil beast Hillary, who did not campaign in Wisconsin, Pennsylvania and Michigan, thought she had it locked up with her Wall Street $ and useless Hollywood cronies.

This is just a deep state operation. Anyone STILL rambling on about Russia, Russia, Russia are sore losers.

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They’re all just such shady human beings.

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what’s the crime?

Obstruction of justice, for starters, something that is becoming more and more obvious that Trump has been engaging in. I suspect there is a lot more.

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He is the boss! Move along.

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Pence will pardon him in a NY minute - it's the only way he'll ever be president, and the only way to get Trump out of office before 2020.

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All of this continues to get stranger and stranger.

The fact that Giulliani even mentioned this is mind boggling. Makes me wonder if he is not trying to intentionally derail Trump.

If Trump was found guilty of something (and I still think that is a very big if) and if he did try to pardon himself I believe that would be enough to trigger social unrest in the U.S. like anything seen in modern history.

Really strange stuff

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Recently, a series of events have started to get me to see the perspective of those who elected Trump because he was a 'disruptor', not the same-old same-old. He represented something different, change, not the same old crap.

I actually get it. I've always been somewhat of an anti-authoritarian. Government has frustrated me over the years lots. From that perspective, I saw the appeal that Trump brought for a lot of those with frustration. Personally, Trump didn't work on me, but that's because while I'm into disruption and a new world order, I could see quite clearly Trump wasn't the person to bring anything new, and in fact the intervening year and a half has shown me that I was correct in that prediction.

But what gets me are the people who voted for him as a disruptor - and yet still support him when he's clearly not only maintained the status quo, he's actually made government worse than it ever was before him. How can they not see that even though they wanted disruption, they just got a bait-and-switch con man who promised them the world, and has just given them more of what they already had.

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The fact that Giulliani even mentioned this is mind boggling. Makes me wonder if he is not trying to intentionally derail Trump.

Giuliani also asserted Trump could have just shot and killed Comey and still could not be indicted.

Giuliani is just a hired troll. He's setting a pretty high bar for crazy though. How to top that one and keep the conspiracy theories going is anyone's guess. Maybe InfoWars or Hannity has some suggestions?

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If Trump has done nothing wrong why is Giuliani even mentioning this? He is a lawyer and suppose to resolve Trump's problems but instead seems to be causing them too.

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Trumpslide 2020. Already got the t-shirt. Will the "investigation" actually have finished by then?

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This is just a deep state operation. Anyone STILL rambling on about Russia, Russia, Russia are sore losers.

If "evil beast Hillary" was the true "anointed one" selected by the deep state to win, why did the FBI hurt her chances by announcing that she was being investigated a week before the election?

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Giuliani is the master distractor. Gets all the liberals and the media manufacturing outrage over hypothetical things that will never happen. There is no oxygen left for anything else but the outrage over nothing. Which just makes liberals, the media and the investigation look more ridiculous every day.

Trump will be found guilty of obstruction of justice for talking with his own Attorney General and recommending him to unrecuse himself? Uh no....all this stuff you claim is obstruction is under the power of the President. Liberals shouldnt have let Hillary rig the primary and you wouldnt have a President doing things you dont like. Thats all this is. A guy you dont like is doing things you dont like. Not a crime at all.

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What a mess! For those interested in the topic, part 1 of 'Four corners' much anticipated three-part series about Trump/Russia airs tonight on ABC (oz). Ppl who do not have access to abc Iview can watch it live on facebook 7.30pm (JT).

http://www.abc.net.au/4corners/trumprussia/9813228

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@strangerland

logical. Fair point.

I would counter that the apparatchiks in DC and the Pentagon are cemented into place by the last 3 decades of Dem/Rep administrations.

Trump has gotten the US, for the most part, out of "Obama's" Assad must go campaign. North Korea is going forward faster than any other Dem/Rep gamer has been able to sabatoge in the past. If Trump makes a deal with NK, I 100% feel he will stick to it unlike what B Clinton did.

But what gets me are the people who voted for him as a disruptor - and yet still support him when he's clearly not only maintained the status quo, he's actually made government worse than it ever was before him. 

There is no way my government can be reformed from within. Making government worse is part of the plan. Maintaining the status quo is just smart. The first target should be the lying corporate MSM, which Trump has accomplished: CNN 19% drop in viewers.

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Actually, it appears that he would be on extremely thin legal ice. He would need Pence to do a Gerry Ford.

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/06/03/opinion/mueller-trump-executive-power.html

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There are other laws preventing a president from doing that like not using public office to gain privately.

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probably has the power to pardon himself but does not plan to do so, his attorney Rudy Giuliani said on Sunday. pretty difficult to pardon yourself when youve been stripped of your powers from impeachment, hes a good rendition of wacky Giuliani . https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mXQuto1fMp4

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"How can they not see that even though they wanted disruption, they just got a bait-and-switch con man who promised them the world, and has just given them more of what they already had."

I know them. I grew up among them. I left them behind as soon as I could. They represent the intellect and instincts of the bottom 20% of their predominantly white, rural high school classes. Very few attended an accredited university. They feel marginalized, and resentful of successful women and minorities who are taking "their" jobs. They see anything that upsets "intellectuals" or "coastal elites" as entertainment, and solace for their own insignificance and collective failure to attain financial and social success in life. They take bigots like Hannity, Rush, O'Riley, Coulter, Alex Jones and D'Sousa seriously. They are the pitchfork-weilding mob Pat Buchanan warned of, and everything this far in their experience conspires to reinforce their limited worldview.

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Pence will pardon him in a NY minute, Pence may pardon Trump but he cant pardon an impeachment. So Trump best case scenario is he wont go to jail ,but Pence will be POTUS and that is an improvement. what the saddest thing in this whole process is that people are trying to find a way around the laws that govern American even if Trump is found guilty of collusion. This isnt a democracy this is a dictatorship and so many people are brainwashed to this

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It’s like they’re not even pretending he’s innocent anymore. They’re just publicly brainstorming ways that he could use his powers to walk.

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Giuliani added that Trump "has no intention of pardoning himself," but that the U.S. Constitution, which gives a president the authority to issue pardons, "doesn't say he can't."

For a lawyer, Giuliani is probably in more dire need of a basic US high school civics lesson than any White House staff member in history. Be that as it may, one would hope that Giuliani had the wherewithal to tell Trump that if he were so bold to pursue such an action, its a straight-up admission of guilt to a federal crime, the USSC back in 1915 (Burdick v. US) ruled as such. Maybe Trump should re-watch the moment on YouTube when Joe Arpaio got slammed with an on-air civics lesson when he accepted Trump's pardon?

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 Maybe Trump should re-watch the moment on YouTube when Joe Arpaio got slammed with an on-air civics lesson when he accepted Trump's pardon?

That was priceless.

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Sure...trust them to lead your government into paradise.

Beats the pants off the extremist rightwing propaganda you quote.

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The first target should be the lying corporate MSM, which Trump has accomplished: CNN 19% drop in viewers.

But Trump watches Fox News religiously and often parrots their talking points immediately after they air. They're not owned by a corporation? And are Trump's lies somehow excusable?

OMG, another news corporation! Sure...trust them to lead your government into paradise.

Automatic distrust of everything from the MSM is just as lazy as automatic trust in it.

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Automatic distrust of everything from the MSM is just as lazy as automatic trust in it.

Huh? Do you have trust in, for example, CNN, who sold the lie of weapons of mass destruction in Iraq?

Really, if it's not obvious to you by now that the corporations are lying to you every minute and every day, then you might as well replace your Brian with a computer.

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Do you have trust in, for example, CNN, who sold the lie of weapons of mass destruction in Iraq?

I would trust CNN a lot less if they had refused to report on the governments reports of the evidence the government claimed to have. I watched a lot of CNN back then. I never got the impression they were making up anything, rather I felt it was accurate reporting of what was happening at the time. Why would I stop trusting CNN for reporting lies that the government made up?

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Sooo... basically using Trump's legal team, when applying for a loan, I can be my own Guarantor? How convenient

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It's quite clear that this investigation isn't going to go away quietly.

No, it won’t and neither will Giuliani’s team.

But why would there be talk about Trump pardoning himself, if he's as innocent as his devotees claim?

Maybe because Comey, McCabe, Clapper and Brennan are corrupt as sin. I know you don’t understand American politics as most Europeans on this site, but Mueller has a grand jury that is in the nations Capital where Trump got only 2% of the vote, if he testifies there, he will be without a lawyer and a bunch of people that hate him, so you would have to be a complete fool to think Giuliani would even contemplate on his client going to the depths of hell.

Still, it's a joy to behold Giuliani's appearances, as each time he seems to be digging that hole even deeper.

Hmmmm....I feel the same when Clapper and Brennan open their big mouths. At least Comey is smart and lawyered up.

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Trump team's release of the memo obviously is another Trump team tactic to continue sowing doubts about the Mueller investigation.

I think everyone in the US is having doubts about this witch hunt.

Guliani's main job is only to sow confusion and conspiracies. He is the second most perfect person for that job, behind Trump.

If Mueller and his band of merry elated Democrat witch hunters can do it, so can Giuliani. Fair game is fair game.

Looks like obstruction is becoming a bigger and bigger possibility. The January memo admits that Trump dictated the misleading statement about Don Jr's meeting to get Russian dirt. We are also finding out that Trump attempted numerous times to get Sessions to "un-recuse" himself and assert power over the Mueller investigation.

Ok, he gets hit with an obstruction charge, then what?

Then there is the collusion investigation. Too many people (including Trump) had advance knowledge of Russia's efforts and were seeking help from Russia. They have played dumb and conveniently forgetful in testimony about phone calls and discussions.

That probably won’t touch him, so ok....back to the obstruction alleged charge, then what?

Trump will fight a subpoena because everyone knows the noose is tightening and any testimony will be damning.

Yes, as he should and then if you go strictly by the constitution, the sitting President can’t be charged with a crime while in office and even if he were compelled to show up to court, by showing up, he acted on the subpoena, followed it and fulfilled is obligation, but how you’re going to make him speak? Good luck with that.

In the end, he will lose and look even worse for fighting it.

How would you know that? You have a crystal ball? And if he doesn’t lose which now seems more than likely, then what? One great thing that Trump has going for him is Judge Ellis who excoriated the Mueller team for making up lies and calling it out for what it is, a witch hunt and NOW since this judge put a spotlight on this hunt, that’s huge ammunition for Giuliani to back up his claim that this so called investigation is a complete farce.

Trump will be a terrible witness for himself because he lies as a matter of habit.

And the more Brennan and Clapper and Comey keep flapping their traps, Trumps troubles will be more of vindication than a stomachache.

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I think everyone in the US is having doubts

Do you hear that? It's called an echo.

Object permanence problems again.

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I watched a lot of CNN back then. I never got the impression they were making up anything, rather I felt it was accurate reporting of what was happening at the time. Why would I stop trusting CNN for reporting lies that the government made up?

So I'm baffle. Anybody can watch CNN, it's really how you look at it. It was 1999 and the NATO bombing of (all lies of course) Serbia when it hit me that CNN is not a news site, but a war propaganda machine. Their coverage of Colin Powell at the UN cemented my theory.

How bou chew? Do you have any valid theories as to why any human should trust corporate media?

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If all these government people like Brennan, Clapper, and Comey, are liars, as you know who above implies, then I'm the guy who kickstarted the Kilauea eruptions. And by the way, next month Cohen's going to court, and soon after that so is Manafort. Does anyone here have any doubt about the deep trouble these guys are in? Doesn't anyone want to see what the evidence is in this cases? Does anyone have any doubt that the evidence is going to be extremely serious? Giuliani's job is to keep the cinders of doubt warmed before the public. Don needs to spread the message thru more than his tweets. I really don't understand this argument against an investigation that is looking for corruption. Where ever it may be. It certainly is staying within it's legal boundaries. The fact that there are multiple indictments makes it obvious that it is worth the effort. Does anyone doubt the content of Cohen's tapes are going to very revealing of the way Don plays the world? The American public is a means to Don's ends. As Sam Nunberg said, it's a game. That's the nightmare of Washington D.C. Any means to get your ends. Hey, that's politics. We've all seen the ads. But after the elections, it's time for politics to end and work to begin. That hasn't happened. The game is still going on. Trump Casino. The problem is, The Means Is The End.

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Do you hear that? It's called an echo.

Object permanence problems again.

Uh-huh....sure.....

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2018/05/01/the-number-of-people-who-say-the-mueller-investigation-should-continue-is-shrinking/?utm_term=.f8d8913a99a3

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Giuliani's job is to keep the cinders of doubt warmed before the public

Can I fix this for u?

Giuliani's and Dre Hund's job is to keep the cinders of doubt warmed before the public

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Shrinking attributed to all. RIght.

Its called fatigue.

I'm suffering from fatigue, but I still am not dismissing the investigation just because I am tired of it.

Still, I am more fatigued listening to the never ending abuses of office by Trump and Co the never ending excuses raised by the likes of Giuliani and Trump supporters, and their never ending ability to believe in even more outlandish conspiracies. I even tried to listen to Hannity while he and his panel trashed Trey Gowdy, but I couldn't stomach the full show. It was too crazy, and Gowdy is only recently converted to rational thought. He used to be known as Benghazi Gowdy. Guess he needs to appear rational for his new job.

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Still, I am more fatigued listening to the never ending abuses of office by Trump and Co the never ending excuses raised by the likes of Giuliani and Trump supporters,

So why were you silenced on the last Presidents never ending abuses?

and their never ending ability to believe in even more outlandish conspiracies.

Dunno, seems more and more like these conspiracies are actual facts.

I even tried to listen to Hannity while he and his panel trashed Trey Gowdy,

Let me stop you there, nothing against the Senator, but he does have a deep, deep, love and devotion to the FBI, so he’s a bit more partial to them, so I don’t think he sees the agency able of doing anything wrong, but that’s his opinion and also the opinion of others that want to call Gowdy’s comments laughable jokes.

but I couldn't stomach the full show. It was too crazy, and Gowdy is only recently converted to rational thought.

I feel like that after 2 min. of watching CNN...msnbc you need to put a canon to my head...

He used to be known as Benghazi Gowdy. Guess he needs to appear rational for his new job.

What?

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Ok, put the talking points aside, what’s the hard hitting evidence that the President committed a crime? Over a year and nothing. So what crime? only Mueller knows that and when hes finished his investigation everybody will know, fact still remains that about 68% of Republicans and Democrats think the investigation should continue to its conclusion.

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nothing against the Senator, but he does have a deep, deep, love and devotion to the FBI, so he’s a bit more partial to them

He's a former prosecutor and will go back to being one soon.

Or, you may say he is returning to the deep state and cannot be seen as being in total disregard of the law he has sworn to uphold.

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only Mueller knows that and when hes finished his investigation everybody will know, fact still remains that about 68% of Republicans and Democrats think the investigation should continue to its conclusion.

10 years later.

mueller has made his final argument that Donald Trump did wet the bed on August 12, 1958.

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only Mueller knows that and when hes finished his investigation everybody will know, fact still remains that about 68% of Republicans and Democrats think the investigation should continue to its conclusion.

So 32% don’t believe in it and growing, that’s good enough, they want it to continue, but the majority want it to come to an end.

He's a former prosecutor and will go back to being one soon.

After this is all over, I’m sure he will, but he doesn’t have to, he’s retired, living off a big salary.

Or, you may say he is returning to the deep state

He’s not a liberal....

and cannot be seen as being in total disregard of the law he has sworn to uphold.

He would never, unless he’s disbarred and he’s too much a legend in the legal profession,scall good.

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this so called investigation is a complete farce.

Nah, Trump would fire Rosenstein if that were true.

In other news, it’s nice to see Trump fans turn their sights on Gowdy. He didn’t play ball with Trump’s conspiracy theory and now he must be destroyed. Another Republican bites the dust.

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Nah, Trump would fire Rosenstein if that were true.

He doesn’t need to fire Rosenstein, it’s all coming to an end soon and Trump can go back to taking care of the country and Mueller can go back to.....whatever it is he does.

In other news, it’s nice to see Trump fans turn their sights on Gowdy.

Actually, no one cares, Gowdy has an opinion like everyone else, now what Giuliani and his lawyers do is very relevant.

He didn’t play ball with Trump’s conspiracy theory and now he must be destroyed. Another Republican bites the dust.

Again, Gowdy can think what he wants, his opinion has nothing to do with the facts or what goes on in the WH, just like our personal opinion. If I would go by what Gowdy thinks, I would be worried about Mueller instead of laughing at him....lol

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He doesn’t need to fire Rosenstein,

Of course not. Rosenstein is only the guy who started the investigation, chose Mueller, approved of Mueller’s team and the use of the corrupt FISA, etc. Why fire the ring leader of the most unfair witch hunt in the history of the US?

Makes sense.

Again, Gowdy can think what he wants, his opinion has nothing to do with the facts

Certainly it does. Trump said there was a spy planted by Obama for political purposes. Gowdy reviewed the FBI information and said Trump’s claim is baseless after seeing the facts. He was the one who swatted away Trump nutty theory.

Are you sure you don’t want to destroy his career and credibility? If you don’t then you’d have to accept that Trump’s nutty theory was in fact a nutty theory.

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Of course not. Rosenstein is only the guy who started the investigation, chose Mueller, approved of Mueller’s team and the use of the corrupt FISA, etc. Why fire the ring leader of the most unfair witch hunt in the history of the US?

Before Giuliani came along, I was skeptical, but as much and as bad of a scam this is, if Giuliani can survive the mob and go toe to toe with the,, then a few corrupt cops should be a breeeeze.

Certainly it does. Trump said there was a spy planted by Obama for political purposes.

Oh, I definitely believe it, but even if it’s not true, casting doubt about it certainly makes the witch hunt looks like it was illegitimately done, that then helps Giuliani in a showdown with Ellis as a testimony and concern he’s shown for this case being totally bias and does carry heavy weight when it comes to the SCOTUS.

Gowdy reviewed the FBI information and said Trump’s claim is baseless after seeing the facts. He was the one who swatted away Trump nutty theory.

Ok, so what, that’s Gowdy’s personal opinion, there are others like Giuliani that don’t think so, I tend to side with Giuliani Aaaaand if it isn’t true, then let’s find out and see the FISA warrants and all the documents filed by thr DOJ, but instead they’re getting excuse, after excuse and when you have that many excuses, that means you’re hiding something and if so, then Giuliani and the rest of Trumps lawyers will just have have to decline and interview with Mueller and see you in court.

Are you sure you don’t want to destroy his career and credibility?

Naw bro, if anyone will have a career damaged it will be Comey....oh, he was fired...or McCabe...oh, he was fired too, how about Clapper, and Brennan....oh, they will do liberal shows only, they like a soft venue.

If you don’t then you’d have to accept that Trump’s nutty theory was in fact a nutty theory.

I personally think his theory was right on the mark. Now if you want to talk about certifiable lunacy and a person that needs to be committed, it would be Clapper, Brennan and Comey.

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So to be clear, you feel the man who started the most corrupt witch hunt in US history should walk away free while those he hired to do his dirty work should be fired?

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So to be clear, you feel the man who started the most corrupt witch hunt in US history should walk away free while those he hired to do his dirty work should be fired?

Mueller can stay, it’s all good, Trump have to worry about Mueller with Giuliani despite the witch bias hunt, the Democrat lawyer posse they can keep digging, good luck with that.

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Mueller can stay, it’s all good, Trump have to worry about Mueller with Giuliani despite the witch bias hunt, the Democrat lawyer posse they can keep digging, good luck with that.

Say what?

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"Robert Mueller's investigation into Russia's role in the 2016 U.S. election"

Good grief, is this nothing burger still going on?

Oh my...

First 500 days: Trump's accomplishments

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pgdsS_5iLTs

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Trump can also pardon himself, now I feel really good to know that, so looks like the Dems want to slash the other wrist now, oh, my......

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So why would the conservatives even have to know the president could pardon himself unless they also believe he has done something that will need a pardon.

Putting all the Donald Duckies in a row.

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I believe he thinks Trump will pardon himself and his friends then ride off into the MAGA sunset.

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Trump can also pardon himself, now I feel really good to know that, no he cant pardon himself if congress impeach him, so if Mueller does have credible evidence of Russia collusion and Mueller does lay charges and Trump is found guilty your perfectly fine with the fact that a guilty traitor can basically escape from jail just because hes your President. No different if a person murders your family member but the POTUS pardons them for political reasons, that not a democracy thats a dictatorship. hate really is rotting the soul of America

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What does Giuliani know about ANYTHING? It is already established that he is nothing more than a LOONY!

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yep and the IG report is coming out this week.

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There is no Constitutional limitation on an American presidents pardon power. It’s just a statement of fact - no more, no less. That power is offset by Congresses impeachment power. Anyone getting all worked up over the acknowledgement of reality is simply being partisan.

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So why would the conservatives even have to know the president could pardon himself unless they also believe he has done something that will need a pardon.

Putting all the Donald Duckies in a row.

Exactly! Given how nutty this witch hunt is, the President needs to know his Constitutional rights.

What does Giuliani know about ANYTHING?

He saved NYC from becoming another Chicago or Mogadishu. Before he came into power as mayor, NYC had close to 2000 murders a year, graffiti everywhere, trains were dirty, homeless everywhere you looked, the mafia out of control, drug dealers everywhere. NYC is what it is today because of that man, thank God for him. He saved NYC.

It is already established that he is nothing more than a LOONY!

If you compare him to the new mayor of NYC that regresses a lot of Giuliani policies and now you see the drug dealers coming, people defecating in the streets in front of people, crime rate is going up and up. So basically, if Giuliani is a loon, he’s one of the best loons I know.

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yep and the IG report is coming out this week

They will have information clearing Trump's name?

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That power is offset by Congresses impeachment power. yep exactly once you've been impeached you dont have the powers to grant yourself a pardon, while Pence still has the power he doesn't have the power to reinstate Trump as POTUS. The end game priority is to remove this baboon from the Presidency , if hes magically pardoned then so be it, hes still not POTUS anymore.

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Very few of Trump's republican politicians in congress support him on his statement.

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That power is offset by Congresses impeachment power. yep exactly once you've been impeached you dont have the powers to grant yourself a pardon, while Pence still has the power he doesn't have the power to reinstate Trump as POTUS.

I don’t think the Constitution says that. Doesn’t matter if a president pardons himself or not. The Congress can impeach for high crimes and misdemeanors - pardoning oneself doesn’t get the president off the hook for impeachment. The pardon power is unrelated.

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An admission of guilt right there.

The Coward Commander should expect Impeachment Protocols to be instigated very shortly.

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Sorry guys... I don't like Trump, but the question was asked and then answered. That's why this is being talked about. I wouldn't go so far as saying this one is an admission of guilt.

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The guilty can not pardon themselves, even if they are the President. The day such a thing actually happens is the day the US is beyond redemption.

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The guilty can not pardon themselves, even if they are the President.

I'm not sure anyone knows whether or not the president can pardon themselves.

But I say go for it. The only way to find out if the president can pardon themselves is for the president to try to pardon himself. The fallout can be dealt with afterwards.

Some people voted Trump as a disruptor, so let him disrupt. It will either make the country stronger or break it. Either way, the choice was already made, so let's see what happens. Pardons for all!

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Several senior GOP senators said Trump could obstruct justice and if he commits perjury to lie or mislead investigators or if he encourages others to or if he destroys evidence.

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the day the POTUS pardons himself is the day a criminal is leading America, if it comes to that then Im sorry America is well and truely lost all its credibility, time to turn to others to lead and not dictate.

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A president cant pardon himself before the fact, when / if congress impeaches him he no longer has the presidential powers to pardon himself, thatll fall to Pence. Pence may pardon Trump but he doenst have the power to reinstate him as POTUS

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Several senior GOP senators said Trump could obstruct justice and if he commits perjury to lie or mislead investigators or if he encourages others to or if he destroys evidence.

This is all stupid liberal panic conjecture, the president is not going to pardon him self, but at the same time, he’s not going to testify under any circumstances unless Giuliani can see all of the IG reports and then she want to make a decision whether he will sit down with Mueller. I think that would be fair.

the day the POTUS pardons himself is the day a criminal is leading America,

We’ve had real criminal presidents leading the country before.

if it comes to that then Im sorry America is well and truely lost all its credibility, time to turn to others to lead and not dictate.

Uh-huh...ROFL

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But I say go for it. The only way to find out if the president can pardon themselves is for the president to try to pardon himself. firstly that very disturbing that people are even mentioning this, it seems theyve surrendered to the fact that Trump is guilty!?

The fallout can be dealt with afterwards. yes the fallout will be the millions of Americans that didnt vote last election but most probably will next as they protest a criminal that leads the country. 2016 there was no evidence that Trump was corrupt and those surrounding him, 4yrs later the AMerican people now have a much better understanding of what Trump really stands for

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We’ve had real criminal presidents leading the country before. oh ok then a few criminals leaders = nothing to see here move along . LOL

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bass4funk

This is all stupid liberal panic conjecture, the president is not going to pardon him self, but at the same time, he’s not going to testify under any circumstances unless Giuliani can see all of the IG reports and then she want to make a decision whether he will sit down with Mueller. I think that would be fair.

the statement was made by republican senators not by "stupid liberals"

"Several senior GOP senators said Trump could obstruct justice and if he commits perjury to lie or mislead investigators or if he encourages others to or if he destroys evidence."

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"Several senior GOP senators said Trump could obstruct justice and if he commits perjury to lie or mislead investigators or if he encourages others to or if he destroys evidence."

Who said this?

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bass4funk

who said that?

Simple Google search will get you there.

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Ok, so we're are making gossip again.

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http://thehill.com/blogs/floor-action/senate/390684-gop-senators-a-president-can-obstruct-justice

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Ok, so as I said, nothing important, just all hypotheticals. Someone has to answer these dumb reporters questions

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Pardon?

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So Giuliani is saying that Chump is a king or Dictator and can do as he sees. Well at least we can say its the end of the fantasy of America been a democracy. I guess its about time that garbage was dismissed as sheeple fantasy.

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Giuliani = fake TV lawyer.

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Paul Ryan, "no, Trump should not pardon himself!"

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