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Donald Trump has a history of saying whatever he thinks might please an individual or an audience and then doing something completely different from what he said.

It is quite disorienting and disturbing to have a president that nobody, neither friend nor foe, can trust.

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Donald Trump has a history of saying whatever he thinks might please an individual or an audience and then doing something completely different from what he said.

So what’s the Democratic plan? Trump never anything different, the spineless GOP are over the map with every issue, I understand their commitment to principles, but they need to be more like the Democrats, right or wrong or regardless of various ideas, they just vote in lock step like lemmings and worry later about repercussions....or not.

It is quite disorienting and disturbing to have a president that nobody, neither friend nor foe, can trust.

The haters, yes, the supporters, no.

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I think McCain and Corker are setting Trump up for his most humiliating defeat to date. At first glance it would seem McCain supports the bill, but in reality he only supports the process. I think he will vote down the content. Add Rand Paul and Corker, and this bill may be dead already

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the spineless GOP

Donny is the spineless GOP. Ol' bonespurs got 5 draft deferments. The people he attacks are minorities and pregnant, grieving widows. The only place he attacks is on Twitter. Donny is sooo tough. Twitter tough.

The haters, yes, the supporters, no

Most people don't like Donny.

I think McCain and Corker are setting Trump up for his most humiliating defeat to date. 

And Flake. I wouldn't be surprised if they all vote 'no.' I'll bet Donny gets his second term ;)

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House of Representatives Speaker Paul Ryan said he wants the House to pass the Republican tax cut bill by the Nov. 23 U.S. Thanksgiving holiday...

Ha! - That made my morning. Ryan woulda been the guy on the Titanic pleased that the lines at immigration would be thus shorter.

The main problem is the GOP shares no common philosophy on why cutting taxes is important (I mean, seriously - why is it important? - it's not like Obamacare, where millions would have remained uninsured without action), so they've split into irreconcilable factions.

Prediction: For lack of internal consistency, as usual, their grand ambitions will deteriorate into simple cuts for the affluent and corporations tacked onto the national debt, and even that won't gain enough GOP support to pass.

Oh, and Corker and Flake are both dyed-in-the-wool, erudite Republicans. They will not go quietly into that good night.

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said Republican Senator John Kennedy after the lunch, adding Trump got three standing ovations in the lunch.

Jees, not even seasoned CCP brown nosers enjoy the taste and submit themselves for violation this much..

On side note, were Corker, McCain, or Flake at the lunch? If so and they partook in the three standing ovations, that would indicate a new all-time low for these "men"

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Later in a dramatic speech on the Senate floor, Arizona's Flake announced he would not seek reelection next year and said that U.S. politics had become inured to "reckless, outrageous and undignified” behavior from the White House.

I'm really, really bummed about this. He was one of the last moderate Republicans. I sent him an email asking him to continue even though I'm a Democrat.

He didn't engage in the mob mentality rhetoric that defines too much of our politics today. He reached across the isle and worked with Democrats on common sense issues. He wasn't afraid to tell it like it was, even when it included criticizing his own party or those on the other side. He would sit down and methodically explain the situation and his views without throwing emotional bombs all over the place. Even if you disagreed with him, you got the feeling he wasn't giving some political BS statement right to your face. That's rare these days on both sides.

He was a genuinely good guy. The GOP and the government overall is losing an asset.

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Can you say "dynamic scoring"? Get used to it - it's destined to soon become a GOP mantra, almost like a religious incantation.

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Another nail in the coffin of fiscal responsibility. The Democratic party taxes and spends ineptly. The Republic party simply spends and spends. So long as the rich get richer, the Republicans, and Trump in particular, have done their job... To enrich the entrenched interests. The rest is a poorly concocted play... Bring the money back from overseas, but barely tax it. The corporations in the stock market are doing great... So lower their taxes. And, somehow, this magically generates money for the USA's government. Trump and the Republicans are doing what they do best: get elected by pandering to the lowest common denominator and then sell the country's future out for quick, personal profits. Meanwhile, the Democrats couldn't pick a winner in a one-horse race, and if they could, they would find a way to pork-barrell the budget away. A pox on both houses and any who defend them.

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I think McCain and Corker are setting Trump up for his most humiliating defeat to date.

How? It won’t matter much longer. Corker will be out and McCain will, well, be out as well.

At first glance it would seem McCain supports the bill, but in reality he only supports the process. I think he will vote down the content. Add Rand Paul and Corker, and this bill may be dead already.

McCain is so irrelevant at this point. Never liked the guy, and that goes way, way back, the biggest Demo....I mean, Republican fraud if there ever was. Good that Trump and Mcconnell can put their differences aside and get this done.

Donny is the spineless GOP. Ol' bonespurs got 5 draft deferments.

What does that have anything to do with anything? Clinton dodged the draft who cares? Many people dodged the draft, long time ago. I didn’t hold it against Buba, I don’t hold it against Trump. That’s the only thing the left has, the race card and draft dodging??? Lol

The people he attacks are minorities and pregnant, grieving widows. The only place he attacks is on Twitter. Donny is sooo tough. Twitter tough.

Lindsey Graham, Bush, Clinton, McConnell, Corker, McCain, Warren, Schumer, Pelosi, Fiorino, I had NO idea these people were all minorities. ROFL

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Flake has never been a republican he is one of those never Trump guys who is getting voted out next year anyway.

i like how tough these guys get now that they know the people won’t be re-electing them due to their anti-Trump actions.

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Just another distraction from the latest news. At one point CNN.com had 5 different articles about this like it is some kind of big deal that a President would fight with his own party members who are not doing what their party members elected them to do. Any articles about the fake dossier on CNN now that Hillary and the DNC are proven to have paid for it? nope! thats against the narrative.

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Japanese politics is horrid, but US politics is a shambles too.

To address the deficit, on one hand you've got Democrats, who presumably want to hike taxes on the top 10%, who already pay 50% of tax revenues. Like that's "fair", or even going to work...

Then on the other hand you've got your Republicans who think they either have to cut spending or cut taxes, but not both. And their leader is a tweeting clown, whose only redeeming factor is that he is proposing growth-boosting tax cuts at all.

Democratic Senator Ben Cardin said middle-class families would pay more, not less, under the Republican tax proposal.

Given that the standard deduction is said to be doubled under the plan, and that specific rates have not even been announced yet, this would appear to be a bald-faced lie. 

some Republicans worry that they would endanger America's long-term fiscal health

No, as in Japan, it is the out-of-control government spending programs that endanger fiscal health. 

Spending should be kept in line with tax revenues. Cutting income tax rates may indeed boost tax revenues, thanks to higher economic growth resulting from improved incentives, but no one can know exactly how much more growth and extra tax revenues there will be (and war with NK could break out blowing away all assumption anyway). The converse is true when hiking tax rates, except for low-rate, broad-based taxes like Japan's consumption tax, which do not fluctuate wildly with economic conditions (as do income and corporate tax revenues).

The key to fiscal health is to control what you can control, which is spending. If you can't stop the growth of spending, it is imperative to reform those programs.

That Flake chap seems like a decent man. I was just reading yesterday about his proposals for "universal savings accounts" (USAs) similar to Japan's NISA accounts. Good idea, as part of a broader reform of out-of-control government spending.

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...a President would fight with his own party members who are not doing what their party members elected them to do.

Exactly, Blacklabel! The US, just like European parliamentary systems, is run by parties, not by individuals whose conscience draws them to a party. Flake is a libertarian and has consistently voted among the most conservative in congress, but if his "party" suddenly demands mindless obsequiousness to Trump, he'd better toe the line.

Take an example Senator John Cornyn who, when asked about his position on the bill to shore up the Obamacare exchanges, said “I’m with the president,” and when then asked where Trump was on it – Trump's been like Schrodinger's Cat on this and many other crucial issues – Cornyn threw up his hands, shrugged, and ducked into an office.

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Unwilling to apologize for anything -- verdict: immature.

Wanting to fight everybody -- verdict: childish (not to mention unwise -- someday someone will come along who can beat you).

Conclusion: not presidential (explains the lousy ratings!).

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I agree with Sen Cornyn, the answer from

any republican should be “I’m with the President”. Do you see any Dems crossing their partisan lines?

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Flake has never been a republican

Flake was very much a Republican. The only thing he did wrong was take a pass on emotional, heated rhetoric. He isn't the kind of man who would attack a pregnant widow of an American soldier or send a 4-star general to give a speech based on a lie. He's not the right type of person to be running for a GOP Senate position in this day and age since he doesn't really appeal to the mob mentality of some (but not all) GOP voters and he doesn't support nutball conspiracy theories. He's in a party where he will confidently say that Obama is neither Muslim nor foreign, and that will alienate him from a large chunk of potential voters.

He will take heat from people such as yourself who know absolutely nothing about him, but he won't change. Smear him all you want for the crime of insulting your leader. He'll still be a bigger man than 95% of the GOP.

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any republican should be “I’m with the President”.

It reminds me of a "I'm with stupid" t-shirt. You know the t-shirt with an arrow pointing to the left or right.

All politician should say, "I'm with my constituent voters". Instead, it is really "I'm with my corporate contributors".

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Their “constituent voters” either elected Trump or they used Trump’s support and fake support of his policies to get elected (see McCain, John and Corker, Bob)

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So after reading all that, yes Flake is not a Republican.

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Their “constituent voters” either elected Trump or they used Trump’s support and fake support of his policies to get elected (see McCain, John and Corker, Bob)

Flake votes with Trump on 90% of issues. He's a Republican. Corker 86%. McCain 84%.

https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/congress-trump-score/jeff-flake/

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yet McCain killed Obamacare repeal and replace with his vote and Corker and Flake can’t stop publicly attacking the leader their constituents elected.

People in states that elected Trump want him supported 100% on the policies he ran for president on. Do any Dems have a less than 100% voting record on what Chuck Schumer wants?

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What Blacklabel may be struggling to theorize is that if a Republican votes with Trump less than 91% of the time, he's kicked out of Club 'Pub. Otherwise, it is inane to say that the Republican Flake, note party affiliation Republican, is now magically not a Republican just because a section of the right wing is unhappy with him.

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And as I said have any Dems voted against Schumer and Pelosi?

You don’t get to support the leader the people you represent voted for less than 100%. if that is the case you quit because you are representing what YOU want, not the people.

Flake is pro TPP, pro NAFTA and a never Trumper who even wrote a book that tried to slam Trump. Time for him to go and let someone else represent the people who elected Trump.

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People in states that elected Trump want him supported 100% on the policies he ran for president on.

Not true. Donny is president, not king. Different states have different needs and senators should look after their constituents' needs.

Flake can’t stop publicly attacking the leader their constituents elected.

Because Trump can't stop making garbage comments. He can't stop attacking his fellow politicians, or even gold star families. As Flake notes, none of this is normal.

What Blacklabel may be struggling to theorize is that if a Republican votes with Trump less than 91% of the time, he's kicked out of Club 'Pub.

While a bit more coherent, it still makes no sense. Luther Strange, a man who Trump stumped for before losing, votes with Trump 90% of the time as well. I guess he isn't a Republican either? Silly.

https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/congress-trump-score/

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These people’s constituents voted for Trump, he won their states elections. So what gives these grandstanders the right to vote against their voters wishes or distract from the agenda even when they do vote for something. That’s why flake and corker are retiring because everyone knows no one is voting them in again due to their anti-Trump actions and speech.

its not just votes, its the distractions these people cause. That allows the media to report on this instead of the numerous DNC/dem scandals that are going on.

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Taking Blacklabel's logic to its extreme would obviate any need for a legislature. Just let the president declare what is law (assuming the executive and legislative branches are controlled by the same party).

But that's all simply (lame, actually) theorizing. What is important to Trump and the GOP is passing legislation, something at which they're so far batting zero. Trump seems hellbent on alienating many of his party with insults hurled in person or by tweet; considering that he can only afford two defections in the senate to pass any legislation, this may be even worse than hurling insults at Gold Star families. Under normal circumstances, Corker, Flake, McCain and other GOPers might disagree with portions of bills put to vote but vote for them anyway as part of a team effort if they feel they're part of the team. But what goes around, comes around: why take one for the team when their team captain clearly makes known that they are not, actually, welcome.

This morning, Trump likely lost any chance of passing tax reform. And it couldn't have happened to a more deserving guy.

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Trump is humbled by the reality that some memebers of Congress actually believe in representing their constituency. His dictator-like, lie-infested attacks on reason are scary... But nothing America can't overcome.

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These people’s constituents voted for Trump, he won their states elections.

McCain also won election, didn't he? By a wider margin than Trump too, I might add.

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People in states that elected Trump want him supported 100% on the policies he ran for president on.

If true, then this is another example of people being delusional.

Did Trump express a policy that wasn't a lie or so vague that there wasn't a policy? His only policy is to try and reverse anything Obama did, but he is a man driven by jealousy.

Where is the best health care? Trump pushed for worse health care and is doing everything he can to hurt people.

Where is the winning so much you will get tired of winning? He is only trying to win at Twitter.

So what gives these grandstanders the right to vote 

The constitution. Mr Khan probably has a copy you can borrow.

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McCain won the election by falsely pretending that he supports Trump’s platform and agenda. Trump won the election in Arizona so why would the people elect a senator at the sane time who won’t do what Trump wants?

as far as the rest, seems you guys are basically saying it’s fine if these senators vote against Trump for their personal feelings. Trump was mean to me so I’m gonna screw my constituents out of tax cuts and healthcare, huh? Guess you don’t care that is against the wishes of their constituents who elected them and Trump.

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Those senators are not there to pass judgement on what the president tweets or how much or little he “likes” them personally. They are there to represent the wishes of the voters who elected Trump for his policies and platform.

If they cant put any feelings aside and get things done that the people who voted them in want, they should leave. McCain in particular because he only won because Trump chose to support him.

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Sorry but amazingly a person was elected President of the United States with no policies that were not lies or that were too vague? Then how did he win? What did he say he would do that attracted people to vote for him?

He simply just said he is going to undo everything Obama did and that was enough to win? Wow Obama must have had some horrible policies then if people wanted them ALL changed.

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Blacklabel, Trump promised repeatedly during his campaign that he would not cut Medicare, and this was taken seriously by many. The bill the GOP came up with would have cut Medicare, but Trump, in his desperation to pass something, supported it anyway. The bill polled badly with only 17% support nationwide and 11% support among Republicans in Arizona (probably due to the high number of retirees there). What was McCain to do? - support Trump breaking his campaign promise or support the clear will of his constituents?

And we'll talk about tax cuts during that blink of an eye between when the House releases their bill and when they shove it through a vote. What should a Republican do if tax cuts are heavily skewed towards the rich and are matched by no offcuts, thus ballooning the deficit, which is likely? Vote for it anyway simply because Trump says so?

It is increasingly easy to adhere to Republican values while opposing Trump.

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Trump won the election in Arizona so why would the people elect a senator at the sane time who won’t do what Trump wants?

Nonsense. McCain won more votes than Trump did in Arizona, so obviously he didn't win on the tails of the Trump agenda.

as far as the rest, seems you guys are basically saying it’s fine if these senators vote against Trump for their personal feelings. 

You obvioualy have not read what I wrote. Please reread it again. I said,

Different states have different needs and senators should look after their constituents' needs.

Look at Lisa Murkowski for example. Her state, Alaska, would have been hit hard if she voted in favor of the ACA repeal. That isn't my opinion-that's how the CBO scored it. Why should Lisa Murkowski vote in favor of a bill that would hurt, and in all likelihood, kill some of her constituents? Sounds a lot to me like party before people.

They are there to represent the wishes of the voters who elected Trump for his policies and platform.

Then let's just get rid of congress, and make Donny king for 4 years. Riiiigghtt

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Blacklabel: They are there to represent the wishes of the voters who elected Trump for his policies and platform.

Takeda: Then let's just get rid of congress, and make Donny king for 4 years. Riiiigghtt

Right on Takeda. Obviously, the point is missed in the urge to defend Trump in all things.

Why elect Senators? Why elect people to congress? Why have courts? Why have checks and balances? Why be civil? Why tell the truth?

Trump and the Trumpets continue to whine that it is all just so unfair.

For some reason, I am reminded of The Lord of the Flies... which is another story of adolescents in power.

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Flake was very much a Republican. The only thing he did wrong was take a pass on emotional, heated rhetoric. He isn't the kind of man who would attack a pregnant widow of an American soldier or send a 4-star general to give a speech based on a lie.

Oh, stop! There is NO proof the president did such a thing, now I know you guys hate him, we get that, but let’s say for arguments sake the president did intentionally (lol) belittled this woman, then that would be a bad thing, but he said, he didn’t, she said, he did, I’m going to sit in the middle on this one. The left are salivating to get something, anything on Trump. First they looked foolish, now they look pathetically desperate.

He's not the right type of person to be running for a GOP Senate position in this day and age since he doesn't really appeal to the mob mentality of some (but not all) GOP voters and he doesn't support nutball conspiracy theories.

The man has got an 18% approval rating, that’s the real reason he’s not running, the man is a pariah and the problem that he made for himself was to side with the Democrats on trashing Trump, that didn’t work out so well, because when he went back, they GOP really didn’t wa;t him either. Flake is exactly what his last name means. Corker and McCain are two more rhinos that need to seriously retire and fast.

He's in a party where he will confidently say that Obama is neither Muslim nor foreign, and that will alienate him from a large chunk of potential voters.

No one cares about that guy anymore.

He will take heat from people such as yourself who know absolutely nothing about him, but he won't change. Smear him all you want for the crime of insulting your leader. He'll still be a bigger man than 95% of the GOP.

ROFL. In a unicornverse I believe he is (not that I’m complementing the GOP)

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i see no one gets representative government. My neighbors and I have other work so we “elect” someone. This person has a full time job to simply go somewhere and vote on our behalf in accordance with our wishes. We elect this person based on trust and shared values.

We don’t send them there to vote what they personally think but to represent what is important to us. For them to vote against what they promised to vote for is a serious breach of trust. The fact that Trump won Arizona (and Tennessee) shows that the people there prefer his policies over the other person who wanted to be President.

i am interested to see if these people will now vote against what their constituents want just to annoy Trump. If so, our country is in trouble until the voters can remove these non faithful representatives.

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It’s ok I just wonder what will be today’s distraction to avoid talking about Dem Russian collusion and that Hillary paid for the fake dossier.

Where did all of the “it’s treason to work with a foreign government or person to get dirt on a candidate” people go? by the way, who was a the center of that too? You know the guy who felt the need to give that dossier to the feds for investigation? A John McCain. Full circle.

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Why tax cuts for MNCs & big firms & banks when they are making record profits?

If it is truly about small businesses, that employ the small guys, than the tax cuts should be for them, those with revenues of less than US$50mln.

All these tax cuts are about the lobby power of the big corporations and little about the men on the street. This is another US Congress regular charade.

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We don’t send them there to vote what they personally think but to represent what is important to us. For them to vote against what they promised to vote for is a serious breach of trust.

Yeah, it would be like if the majority of voters voted for one person to lead their country, but the people they elected went against their wishes and instead voted in the leader that less of the people wanted. I'm glad to see from your comment that you and I are in agreement that they are supposed to be there to represent the people, and not doing so would be a serious breach of trust.

I mean was. Was a serious breach of trust.

Right?

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You don’t get to support the leader the people you represent voted for less than 100%.

Huh? You mean every Republican Senator has to agree with Trump 100% of the time, even when it's not in the best interests of the people of the state who elected them? That sounds more like a cult than a democracy.

On several occasions you've expressed a serious, serious lack of understanding of separation of powers. They weren't elected to serve the President anymore than the President was elected to serve the majority opinion of Republican Congressmen. Congress isn't the President's administrative secretaries elected for the sole purpose of doing his bidding.

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@strangerland excellent try on the “but muh popular vote”. But Trump won the popular vote in these Senator’s states. So that kinda doesn’t work as an excuse. Maybe Russia hacked the Arizona ballot boxes? Keep looking cause more we look the more Russia collusion points to the Dems (as well as uncovering other somewhat related crimes).

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The people of those states voted for Trump to show what their “interests” are. These senators who got elected falsely claimed to share those interests that’s why they were elected by those same people who support Trump. They didn’t just vote for McCain or Flake or Corker and send them to Washington DC to do whatever they personally feel like.

Its like me sending my kid to the store to buy eggs and he comes back with candy cause that is what HE wanted. That doesn’t work for me.

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That's 2 more Senators that Trump can't call on (they'll vote how ever they feel is best with nothing to lose, not because Trump called on them)

With only 52 Republicans in the Senate, Trump can't rely on getting the necessary 50 votes if losing another Party member

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That’s my point- they aren’t there to vote however they think is best. They are representing others who have already spoken as to what they want.

But whatever, might need one more election to clear these swampy types out.

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Never mind all this. I just remembered most of you were the ones advocating for the electors from states that Trump won in the election to give their state electoral votes to Hillary anyway.

Nothing more to see here.

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That’s my point- they aren’t there to vote however they think is best

So, we should just get rid of congress, and let Trump be king for four years. Is that right or wrong? If they are supposed to vote in lockstep with the president, why have a congress?

. They are representing others who have already spoken as to what they want.

They were elected too, were they not?

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Educate yourself: Separation of Powers

"Political doctrine of constitutional law under which the three branches of government (executive, legislative, and judicial) are kept separate to prevent abuse of power. Also known as the system of checks and balances, each branch is given certain powers so as to check and balance the other branches."

You don't have a problem with Flake, you have a problem with our form of government.

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These senators who got elected falsely claimed to share those interests that’s why they were elected by those same people who support Trump. They didn’t just vote for McCain or Flake or Corker and send them to Washington DC to do whatever they personally feel like.

It depends if a candidate runs side-by-side with Trump's platforms - people can still have different reasons for voting Trump for Presidency while voting another Republican for Senate

For example, McCain was re-elected to Senate in 2016, same year as Trump for Presidency - but one can argue that McCain didn't ride on Trump's coattails and that Arizonans voted for McCain for different reasons than they voted for Trump - reasons that made McCain already been re-elected by his constituents 5 straight times for doing what he's already been doing, even before Trump came into the picture

Jeff Flake was elected to the Senate back in 2012, way before Trump, so the people voted him to do stuff that Flake ran for in 2012, not what Trump ran for in 2016

Bob Corker was first elected to Senate in 2006, then re-elected in 2012 - again way before Trump. So as with Flake, people voted him into the Senate for what he ran for in 2012, not necessarily what Trump ran for in 2016

So it really depends on what they ran for - it could be the same platforms as what Trump later also ran for, or it could be different. And people can still have different reasons for voting for 2 members even if they belong to the same Party

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come on man it’s called the House of REPRESENTATIVES. Yet each individual sent there to represent a group of people can ignore who they represent and just decide on their own?

Why do people even run as Democrats or Republicans then? Do the repubs really “control” the house and senate if individuals just vote however they feel like?

Nothing about separation of powers. That determines how each branch does what and how they interact with each other. This doesn’t give people elected as Republicans an excuse to vote with Democrats. Has one Dem this year voted repub on anything at all? Are they not abiding by separation of powers when they don’t separate from their party? Come on.....

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As far as McCain he was losing until Trump endorsed him. Look at the electoral map for Arizona for Senate 2016 and president 2016. McCain won and lost the exact same areas as Trump did. He didn’t win one single area that Trump lost.

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So why do we have congress? Let Donny be king, right?

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McCain won and lost the exact same areas as Trump did. He didn’t win one single area that Trump lost.

Don't forget, he won more votes than Donny, too. Teehee ;)

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Flake and Corker is a valid point. yes they were ejected prior to Trump. Simply means while they were probably doing what people wanted at that time, they aren’t doing what their constituents want NOW. Proven by them both having no reelection chances whatsoever.

thus retirement and a cushy job at CNN as “Republican strategists” who claim everyone Trump does is wrong for the next 7 years.

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@Bass

You slam the democrats as 'lemmings' who 'march in lockstep' ( you still call them disunited - please clarify this ). You then slam the GOP members who don't march in lockstep and say they should be put out to grass.

I'm not sure what you want here. Do you?

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We have Congress as elected representatives of the people. People vote to make their will known and a person who has similar will is “elected” to vote on their behalf as I’ve said it probably 5 times today.

McCain I’m talking about the Republican primary. He would have lost that if not for Trump endorsement and he only got around 300,000 votes there.

So the only senators who have any excuse at all voting with the Dems are those from states Trump lost.

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Simply means while they were probably doing what people wanted at that time, they aren’t doing what their constituents want NOW. 

They still vote with the president 85% of the time-yawn! The bills they have voted against were all widely unpopular. Repeal bill etc.

We have Congress as elected representatives of the people. 

I see, then how is this different from just rubber stamping Trump's agenda?

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@madverts I’m sorry that I have inconvenienced you by having an opinion different from everyone else.

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 I’m sorry that I have inconvenienced you by having an opinion different from everyone else.

Not a problem as long as it makes sense. Why not get rid of congress and just make Trump king? Absent of checks and balances, this seems to be precisely what you want. Just say, just say ur not interested in Democracy;)

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I am interested in the people who are elected to represent others actually doing so and not pushing their own personal agenda.

Flake just said he can’t run for re-election because he thinks differently from the Republican positions on trade and immigration. So yeah, he needs to go as trade and immigration are key republican platforms that people in his state chose the Republican position on by their votes.

if he wants to differ from what Republicans have as basic beliefs, change to a Democrat or run for president next time.

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The “democracy” part of this is the vote. People want strict immigration so they vote for the strict immigration candidate. But then their representative says he is actually for open borders and votes against it? How is that democracy when one person’s opinion is more important than the millions he supposedly represents.

I will leave madverts to his dominos pizza ads, have a good night.

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if he wants to differ from what Republicans have as basic beliefs, 

Donny wasn't a Republican until a few years ago. Republicans have traditionally been pro free trade. Go make up your own radical right wing party, instead of highjacking another party.

Donny is such a whiny baby.

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The “democracy” part of this is the vote. People want strict immigration so they vote for the strict immigration candidate.

You seem to have an incredible insight into voters’ minds. Some people vote tribally, others support some policies of a candidate, lemmings support all policies because they lack critical faculties, a few are lucky that all policies chime with their own beliefs, others jump on a bandwagon and do screeching 180s, some are single-issue voters, some go for the lesser of two evils approach.

I could go on.

You are in no position to nail it down.

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People in states that elected Trump want him supported 100% on the policies he ran for president on.  yet the people that voted, less than 50% support Trump , so congress is basically evening out the disparity of the electoral college, the support of Trumps policies in congress is a reflection of that. funny how democracy works.

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So, we should just get rid of congress, and let Trump be king for four years.

Worked out well for the anointed one, he wrote so many executive orders and bypassed congress, I mean, so why now the complaints??

Is that right or wrong? If they are supposed to vote in lockstep with the president, why have a congress?

Democrats always do that, beats me. But I do have to say, they just get on board, vote and do what’s right for the party, they vote in lock step and ask questions later. Republicans just don’t think like that and sometimes to their detriment. They worry about the debt, fiscal issues and can never agree or be unified on many issues, they’re all over the map.

Donny wasn't a Republican until a few years ago.

The left loooooved him then, what gives????

Republicans have traditionally been pro free trade. Go make up your own radical right wing party, instead of highjacking another party. 

Donny is such a whiny baby

And the left constantly complain, seems a bit grouchy to me.

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That was one of the nuttiest political debates I've ever had. Never have I heard someone say that Senators have to to the bidding of Trump, even if it's not in the best interests of the state. If he wanted to close down one of the Air Force bases here, McCain and Trump would have to do it because Trump won the state of Arizona? Even if the people here don't support that specific policy decision?

Just such contempt by Trump fans for our form of government.

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Dead in the water, just like health care.

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Just such contempt by Trump fans for our form of government.

No, we really don’t like the Washington establishment elite.

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No, we really don’t like the Washington establishment elite. so support Trump just because you dont like the Washington establishment, even when trumps policies adversely effect millions of Americans!? Bit like taking in a homeless criminal only for them to rob you while you sleep, totally void of logic

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No, we really don’t like the Washington establishment elite.

Drain Trump's gold plated, oil slimed swamp!

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so support Trump just because you dont like the Washington establishment, even when trumps policies adversely effect millions of Americans!?

The last presidents policies uprooted and adversely effected millions of Americans, I didn’t hear any outrage from you.

Bit like taking in a homeless criminal only for them to rob you while you sleep, totally void of logic

You mean like Robbing Paul to give to Peter, the Democratic mantra.

Drain Trump's gold plated, oil slimed swamp.

I’m with you! He’s trying to, but it’s kind of hard when you have slimy Democrats and weaselly Republicans clinging to his back. Go Trump!

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@bass but it’s kind of hard when you have slimy Democrats and weaselly Republicans clinging to his back.

I agree. He's provided a new base for the 'Washington establishment' and he's carrying many with him. Drain the oil filled swamp Trump continues to enlarge!

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I agree. He's provided a new base for the 'Washington establishment' and he's carrying many with him.

More like escorting them to the escalator down to the pit of unemployment.

Drain the oil filled swamp Trump continues to enlarge!

wiping the Congress up and squeezing them out. Kudos!

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The problem with this tax plan is that Trump doesn't know what's in it.

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The problem with this tax plan is that Trump doesn't know what's in it.

That's ok, the Dems didn't know what was in Obamacare either.

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That's ok, the Dems didn't know what was in Obamacare either.

Think you got an answer for everything,don't you? But the Affordable Care Act passed. trump's won't and neither will his tax plan for the rich.

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Think you got an answer for everything,don't you? 

I'm just the messenger, don't hate me, hate the message.

But the Affordable Care Act passed. 

And Trump is finally stripping the subsidies from that junk, about time. Kudos!

trump's won't and neither will his tax plan for the rich.

They just passed the budget, hold on to your seats, it's about to happen. Go Trump!

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but it’s kind of hard when you have slimy Democrats and weaselly Republicans clinging to his back. Go Trump! yeah getting tired of all that deal making and winning from Trump, thank god for congress Trump has to actually negotiate without threats to get what he wants. In the end congress and democracy has a way of representing the people the way they want to be represented, while not perfect its far better than a dictatorship. The vast majority of Americans dont support or want Trumps policies .

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The "vast" majority?

Too funny. You seem to have no idea what the vast majority of Americans want if all you can do is whine about Trump.

Always love you guys who live day to day by what the MSM is saying today.

HEY! That rhymes! What a great song line.

And your talk of being "represented" is a joke. The US government is ruled by Wall Street, lobbyists, banksters, corporate boardrooms and a mix of neoliberals and neocons. They don't really care about the people. Why do you spread this BS?

Trump is a threat to this rule. I guess you prefer to be dancing in the wind.

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Trump seeks tax plan

[Ahem] Trump has no plan. Ever. About anything.

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For the last 100 years, the GOP has been very consistent in regards to taxes.......cut taxes for the rich. End of story.

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The US government is ruled by Wall Street, lobbyists, banksters, corporate boardrooms and a mix of neoliberals and neocons.

That's pretty hard to argue against. Trump's cabinet includes representatives from each group mentioned. Trump's doing what he can to keep those folks in power, and to ensure his family gets richer through nepotism, tax breaks, insider trading and other tactics.

I'd add big hydrocarbons to the list of rulers. Also those in the media who continue to give him the publicity he demands.

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Trump's doing what he can to keep those folks in power,

Yes. Keep your friends close, but your enemies closer. Trump knows this. Why do you think he's playing with the CIA about the JFK BS.

MAGA!

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Yes. Keep your friends close, but your enemies closer. Trump knows this. Why do you think he's playing with the CIA about the JFK BS. the only problem with that is that its more likely that Trumps being double played, thinking hes in control when really hes just a puppet like every POTUS before him. Trump certainly does have the intelligence to be playing everybody, CIA ,FBI , Congress etc. I like to compare Trump to "Little Finger" on "Game of Thrones" cunning scheming man who though he had everybody under his manipulation, only to be double played by those same people with the ending not so pleasant.

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Yes. Keep your friends close, but your enemies closer. Trump knows this. Why do you think he's playing with the CIA about the JFK BS.

How is he playing? Elaborate please.

the only problem with that is that its more likely that Trumps being double played, thinking hes in control when really hes just a puppet like every POTUS before him.

Masons?

Trump certainly does have the intelligence to be playing everybody, CIA ,FBI , Congress etc. I like to compare Trump to "Little Finger" on "Game of Thrones" cunning scheming man who though he had everybody under his manipulation, only to be double played by those same people with the ending not so pleasant.

I'll be so happy when that show is over. People are living too much in the land of Westeros. But I do think a certain Democrat of a certain age reminds me of Cersei. Lol

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The GOP tax plan should be called "The GOP Plan to Transfer More Wealth to the Top 1%."

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And the middle class will get the tax cut everyone one needs, one hand washes the other.

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"Time for him [Flake} to go and let someone else represent the people who elected Trump."

this ^^^ is a very odd construct. i live in ohio where we currently have one senator from each party.

their job is to argue for the interest of ohioans, including those who didn't vote for obama or trump

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