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Gremlin.GaijinSep. 5  04:14 pm JST

@Bass- I can’t speak for anyone here, but I think most people that are critical of McCain are not because he was a bad man, I don’t believe he was as a man, a father, soldier or even politician, but I do think he made a lot of bad political decisions.

So, what you are saying is that John McCain was a Good man, a Good father, a Good soldier and even a Good politician, but he made a lot of Bad political decisions.

Is my understanding of what you said correct?

Bass, your silence if deafening.

I’ll take that as a YES.

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@Bass- I can’t speak for anyone here, but I think most people that are critical of McCain are not because he was a bad man, I don’t believe he was as a man, a father, soldier or even politician, but I do think he made a lot of bad political decisions.

So, what you are saying is that John McCain was a Good man, a Good father, a Good soldier and even a Good politician, but he made a lot of Bad political decisions.

Is my understanding of what you said correct?

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@Bass- I can’t speak for anyone here, but I think most people that are critical of McCain are not because he was a bad man, I don’t believe he was as a man, a father, soldier or even politician, but I do think he made a lot of bad political decisions.

So, what you are saying is that John McCain was a Good man, a Good father, a Good soldier and even a Good politician, but he made a lot of Bad political decisions.

Is my understanding of you said correct?

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If his parents screwed up then I wonder what would have become of him if raised him right?

Safe to say that, if his parents had ‘raised him right’, he would not have become the disgusting creature he is today.

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You'll notice some posters here are locked into their typical two-dimensional thinking - Sen McCain is all good or all bad.

I can’t speak for anyone here, but I think most people that are critical of McCain are not because he was a bad man, I don’t believe he was as a man, a father, soldier or even politician, but I do think he made a lot of bad political decisions.

but I wore our nation's uniform just like he did, and understand what sacrifices he made.

Thank you for your services, I respect all men and women that wear the uniform, but that doesn’t mean, a serviceman is immune from criticism.

He is and was a hero, in the best definition of the word. All Americans, regardless of party, should salute and and honor his life.

And I agree with you.

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and all the posters on this site would lamenting about how disrespectful and rude Trump is.

Well that's a given. We've seen him during the campaign and at his "lounge act" rallies, Trump lacks a "dignity" gene - never had it, so he gets in front of a crowd and mocks the handicapped, insults Gold Start families, curses in front of 12 year old Boy Scouts. I'd put money Pence, Don Jr and Melania wouldn't want him at their funerals.

You'll notice some posters here are locked into their typical two-dimensional thinking - Sen McCain is all good or all bad. There were some policies I vehemently disagreed with Sen McCain on, a few others I did agree with - but I wore our nation's uniform just like he did, and understand what sacrifices he made. The policy differences I had with him are insignificant to the respect and admiration I have for his service to our country. He is and was a hero, in the best definition of the word. All Americans, regardless of party, should salute and and honor his life.

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@serrano Diamond & Silk: Left tries to assassinate Trump's character

No need for the 'left' to do that when Trump's spent a life self-assassinating his character, which is that of a terminally immature spoiled class brat. Given that many of the youtubes you link to are RT backed and also for-profit, are you getting a cut piomping for them?

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1glennSep. 1 08:55 am JSTThe draft dodger, who has gone out of his way to be disrespectful and insulting to veterans, was not invited. Is it any wonder that so many people can't stand him?

You make fun of a quadraleptic journalist, you don't get invited to a funeral for somebody who's widower (Bush 41) is a quadraleptic himself. That widower don't want or need for you to spoil the occasion, sad as it is.

You make fun of an ex-POW, put him and other ex-POW/KIA/MIA and PTSD veterans as 'weak', you don't get invited to a funeral for somebody who is one of these either, do ya? That veteran's widow don't want or need for you to spoil the occasion, sad as it is either.

If you can't behave yourself at an event or party or even play checkers, basketball, poker, euchre, whatever without making a pompous narcisstic boor out of yourself, then you don't get invited to anything because no one wants you around.  Trump is a self-centered spoilsport and he just makes everyone around him SICK. So this Labor Day weekend the funerals of John McCain, Aretha Franklin and Neil Simon will go on without him and he can sulk, pout and cry cry, cry cry cry. WAH!

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*No, I do, but I just couldn’t stop laughing at how liberals always try so hard and then they hit the wall. I think the best thing the left could do is come up with policies that can help all Americans and create jobs and put more money in people’s pockets, but I know they can’t because their TURD (Trump Unacceptance & Resistance Disorder) syndrome won’t allow it.*

America is built upon a broad based economy systematically. Without this economic foundation, US won't be like what is today. As a private foreign exchange trader, it's very important for me to follow Merica's micro and especially macroeconomic fundamentals to gauge the health of its economy. Economy is first and foremost the highest priority and the rest like defense, healthcare, education, etc. are in the lower totem pole of order. Economy connects everything to other public/private sectors of the whole country. Trump is providing optimally effective solutions for expansive jobs creation and better prospects for financial security of the Main street.

As for McCain, respect his services but never fancy the old fella. He wasn't a very nice old chap but as a fellow human being... RIP John.

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FWIW the Japanese newspapers don’t have Trump as “absent” but instead used “was not invited” because 欠席 (absent) and 招待されなかった (was not invited) are different and it’d be inaccurate to use 欠席 (absent.)

Uninvited or excluded is closer to reality

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I'll probably get down-voted, but who cares. I actually did not find Meghan very dignified. We, like many many other people, lost our father too, and yet most don't collapse and have a nervous breakdown, especially when our father is elderly and suffering from a long terminal illness. I think her mother acted very dignified and composed, as did the young princes when Princess Diana suddenly died, and they were still children.

Sorry, I’m not going to get on Meghan for how she handled her fathers death. We all handle it differently. for me, some people are odd weird that don’t show emotion in something as tragic as this, but that’s my personal opinion.

And why is the sycophant Pence mentioning the man-child's name. If you go, then just go.

Oh, is there a rule where he can’t? He likes the President and wants to mention him. If people don’t want to hear it, they can stick their fingers in their ears and hum.

His boss wasn't wanted there and we all know there's bad blood, so why make things worse. This so called VP is next in line to the WH - that's the most scary thing. I'd say he's even dangerous than the man-child.

ROFL...Yeah, but you guys want to get rid of Trump, so if that were to hypothetically happen, the left would probably never win another election for a very long time because Pence is deeply religious and he would continue the Trump policies and even ratcheted up. The evangelicals would come out by the thousands. There is a reason why Pelosi doesn’t talk about impeachment, she knows what would happen if there was a President Pence.

Women can say goodbye to owning their own bodies and the gay community will have to take ten steps backward. Political decisions will be made from the pulpit.

Hogwash, but what that would mean is, an end to late term abortion and No more blackmailing cake artists into baking something and trying to step on their first amendment rights.

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I support Trump’s staying home as much as possible.

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Burning BushToday  08:09 pm JST

how disrespectful and rude Trump is.

It says a lot that even Trump's most devoted followers here can't envision him showing up to a funeral without being disrespectful and rude.

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What’s so heart-breaking is the hatred that has developed in US politics over the last decades. It’s not just divisive. No one on either side of the aisle can make a move without hatred spewing. Any move ANYONE makes is either two-faced, insincere, has a lack of conscience, or whatever. May McCain rip with or without Trump’s blessings.

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Let's at least be honest, if Trump had attended, the Reuters headline would read...

"Trump crashes McCain's funeral, Social Media erupts with outrage"

It really wouldn't matter what they posted. Several people on here would find a reason to complain about it.

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Let's at least be honest, if Trump had attended, the Reuters headline would read...

"Trump crashes McCain's funeral, Social Media erupts with outrage"

and all the posters on this site would lamenting about how disrespectful and rude Trump is.

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If Trump was "absent" then we all were, why don't you go knock on your neighbor's door and chastise them for being "absent" from McCain's funeral.

Hmmm. Well, all there is to be said is that you haven't fully grasped the meaning of absent yet. It's you against just about every newspaper and editor in the English speaking world. There's a well-paid job for you somewhere, bringing standards back to our much-debased language.

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How petty can you get? 

Trump is treated as Trump deserves, based on years of personal attacks on others, insults, hijacking events focused on others in order to make himself the centre of attention, and abandoning the script to wander off on demented, rambling monologues peppered with self-praise.

Even being president hasn't done a damn thing for his personal development, despite the general belief in that magical transformation of all those who enter the job, known as becoming "presidential".

Talking of petty, who else has McCain snubbed in this fashion? He seemed okay with a Democrat rival who defeated his presidential run being in attendance. Trump has been persona non grata at two funerals this year, this Bushes didn't want him either. He was also given a tepid reception by the Royal Family during his visit to Britain - no royal other than the queen wanted anything to do with it. Trump's behaviour and lack of social graces, which you seem to so admire, has consequences, and he's paying them.

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Haaa -

"It's got everything to do with him disliking who Trump is and what he stands for."

You go ahead and believe what you believe. I'm inclined to agree with Diamond and Silk's opinion rather than McCain's.

Diamond & Silk: Left tries to assassinate Trump's character

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ztsyH7DBW_A

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So he hated Trump. Yep we know. A lot of people do. But it's got nothing to do with Trump winning the election when he himself didn't. It's got everything to do with him disliking who Trump is and what he stands for.

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Since Trump wasn't invited and it was public knowledge that there was animosity between the two gentlemen, it would have been wholly inappropriate and frankly rude for Trump to have simply shown up without an invitation.

If Trump was "absent" then we all were, why don't you go knock on your neighbor's door and chastise them for being "absent" from McCain's funeral.

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I really felt bad for Meghan, i really understand the deep, deep pain she’s going through, you will never recover from that kind of loss, but you do learn how to live with it as you move forward.

I'll probably get down-voted, but who cares. I actually did not find Meghan very dignified. We, like many many other people, lost our father too, and yet most don't collapse and have a nervous breakdown, especially when our father is elderly and suffering from a long terminal illness. I think her mother acted very dignified and composed, as did the young princes when Princess Diana suddenly died, and they were still children.

And why is the sycophant Pence mentioning the man-child's name. If you go, then just go. His boss wasn't wanted there and we all know there's bad blood, so why make things worse. This so called VP is next in line to the WH - that's the most scary thing. I'd say he's even dangerous than the man-child. Women can say goodbye to owning their own bodies and the gay community will have to take ten steps backward. Political decisions will be made from the pulpit.

To be honest, I preferred the service for Aretha Franklin. People actually celebrated someone's life and had a good time.

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These kinds of occasions aren’t suitable for him

Well, he doesn’t need to go, nothing to gain, nothing to lose.

My point doesn’t change. Funerals are generally serious occasions where the dead person is honoured.

This kind of occasion isn’t suited to his character. He would lower the tone.

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Burning BushToday  08:14 am JST

Meriam-Webster defines “absent” as “not present at a usual or expected place” for example a student would be absent from class or a worker absent from a meeting.

Any time someone looks up a word in a dictionary to try and win an argument, they either don't speak the language natively or they are wrong.

In any case, it is expected and usual for Presidents to attend a memorial service for American politicians as important as McCain was.

Trump wasn’t invited to the funeral, therefore the use of the word “absent” is inappropriate and intentional deceptive.

Trump's lack of an invitation in no way absolves him of the fact that it is abnormal for a President to behave so childishly that they wouldn't be invited to a funeral. It is neither inappropriate nor deceptive.

Is it appropriate to say that Trump is absent from Osaka station? 

If American Presidents had a long history of being at Osaka Station, and only because of Trump's selfish misbehavior was he asked not to go there, then yes, it would be entirely appropriate.

I appreciate you not calling for me to be shot as a result of this disagreement.

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deserves to be right up there with Kissinger

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(But as President, which he is, you don’t need to be “invited” anyway)

And he wasn't... but he was also not "not invited", he just wasn't welcome.

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He wasn’t absent. Can’t be absent to something you never had any intention of going to in the first place

Yes, you can.

And to let liberals rejoice, also something that you also were not invited to. Can’t be absent in that case either.

Yes, you can.

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He wasn’t absent. Can’t be absent to something you never had any intention of going to in the first place. And to let liberals rejoice, also something that you also were not invited to. Can’t be absent in that case either.

(But as President, which he is, you don’t need to be “invited” anyway)

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These kinds of occasions aren’t suitable for him

Well, he doesn’t need to go, nothing to gain, nothing to lose.

Yes, your de facto response when you really have nothing to say.

That would be the left, they always have plenty to say.... and that’s it. Lol

Then the rest of your comments starts devolve into nonsense from there

I feel the same about the left. Now I will say this, the left are really doing themselves a disservice into driving themselves into a craze with this nonsense. Both Trump and McCain are very similar, stubborn, won’t let things go, hold grudges, like to be the center of attention, giant egos, the nonsense is who cares? McCain is dead, both men despised each other with a passion until the end and both thought, of one another and felt good riddance.

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bass4funk: "No, Trump’s approval rating as been consistent, didn’t climb and it didn’t fall. Bad news for the left."

Sorry, bud, but it's dropped quite a bit. All-time low. We know you only read "Trump-made" polls, and otherwise say polls Don't matter, but them's the facts.

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McCain helped plan the events around his funeral. He made it clear to family and friends that he wanted Democratic former Vice President Joe Biden, Bush and Obama to speak - but that Trump was not welcome.

Trump would have just talked about himself.

These kinds of occasions aren’t suitable for him.

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I listened to the words of Mitch McConnell and Paul Ryan and it was embarrassing to listen to their praise for a man they could have been like but fell so far short in a battle that would have cost them nothing but their pathetic political lives.

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Trump, the coward, was not welcome. He can sit at home and stew about how the war hero wanted Obama to speak at his funeral, and Trump to stay far away. Trump's approval rating is now at an all-time low, in part because how he's handled this whole thing.

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@CrazyJoe

I think we are burying the final republican politician that actually lived up his oath: To defend and protect the Constitution from enemies foreign and domestic.

I think Matt Taibbi gives a far more honest assessment of who John McCain was, especially concerning "enemies foreign".

https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-features/mccain-support-war-716416/

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Meriam-Webster defines “absent” as “not present at a usual or expected place” for example a student would be absent from class or a worker absent from a meeting. Trump wasn’t invited to the funeral, therefore the use of the word “absent” is inappropriate and intentional deceptive.

Do you really believe every dictionary defines absent in precisely that way? You're implying that the definition is not only correct, but exclusive. A basic mistake to make, but that's not how language works.

Here's another definition, from an equally good dictionary: "Not present in a place, at an occasion, or as part of something." It describes Trump's situation re. McCain's funeral perfectly.

Going back to "usual or expected", Trump wasn't expected at McCain's funeral, on account of being explicitly uninvited. However, a sitting US president would usually attend an event like this, and would be expected to attend (schedule permitting). Edward Kennedy's funeral, for example, was attended by the sitting president (Barack Obama) and three former presidents.

The fact that Trump was not there is an outcome of his inappropriate behaviour during and following any number of formal occasions that he has attended. As a guest, he is unreliable and unpredictable, and no sensible person would want him anywhere near the funeral of their family member.

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Yes, the presidency that is bringing to light all of his incompetence and criminal activities that he has been involved in most of his adult life.

What? ROFL

All of his criminal activity catching up to him with one decision to run for office. A presidency leading to the conviction and indictment to over 30 associates, and it isn't finished yet.

But soon and then the Dems will be even more depressed. But they do have tissue for that.

I wonder how proud his parents will be when his presidency will be considered one of the most corrupt in US history leading to some of their own grandchildren being indicted for a crime and a possible impeachment.

If they were alive, they would probably be laughing at how dumb Mueller and the Dems are.

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I think we are burying the final republican politician that actually lived up his oath:

To defend and protect the Constitution from enemies foreign and domestic.

The 3 repubs that spoke today are doing their best to shred it.

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Iraq, Libya, Syria. This guy generated more destruction and evil than any of his good deeds made up for. I'm very happy that the Republican party is moving away from neocons like McCain. Funny to see progressives sing his praises, though. If it wasn't for Trump you'd see similar behavior on their part to when Thatcher died.

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If they did then he wouldn’t have had the life he is living with buildings all over the world, casinos, his very own high rise building, a number one TV show for 14 years and then to the Presidency?

Yes, the presidency that is bringing to light all of his incompetence and criminal activities that he has been involved in most of his adult life. All of his criminal activity catching up to him with one decision to run for office. A presidency leading to the conviction and indictment to over 30 associates, and it isn't finished yet.

I wonder how proud his parents will be when his presidency will be considered one of the most corrupt in US history leading to some of their own grandchildren being indicted for a crime and a possible impeachment.

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The draft dodger, who has gone out of his way to be disrespectful and insulting to veterans, was not invited. Is it any wonder that so many people can't stand him?

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The use of "Trump wasn't invited" is also intentionally misleading.

Hundreds of mourners, who had lined up outside the Capitol to await their chance to pass through the Rotunda and pay their respects, began filing past in the afternoon.

"This is kind of like the death of an era. A man who stood up for what he believed, and I can't say I agreed with every position he took, but he did it with dignity," said retired schoolteacher Sue Ellen Raby, 71, who traveled more than 77 miles (124 km) from her Maryland home to pay her respects.

These people would not have been "invited". Trump was specifically not welcome. If you wish to complain about misleading... stop doing it.

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@bass4funk

Maybe they shouldn’t have screwed him first.

1) USA TODAY exclusive: Hundreds allege Donald Trump doesn’t pay his bills

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/elections/2016/06/09/donald-trump-unpaid-bills-republican-president-laswuits/85297274/

2) 10 Stories About Donald Trump You Won't Believe Are True

http://www.cracked.com/blog/10-stories-about-donald-trump-you-wont-believe-are-true/

3) Donald Trump’s Business Plan Left a Trail of Unpaid Bills

https://www.wsj.com/articles/donald-trumps-business-plan-left-a-trail-of-unpaid-bills-1465504454

4) Feds Dump and father for Housing discrimination

5) Trump University!

Who screwed who first?

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Always being excluded from the group because he finds a way to screw people any chance he gets.

Maybe they shouldn’t have screwed him first.

Then he likes to whine like a child for not be treated fairly because no one believes his lies.

Don't blame him, but the problem is, the others blame him when he punches back, now who’s the whiner?

So, his circle is filled with sycophants and other unsavory characters worst than him.

His mother and father really screwed him up during his upbringing!

If they did then he wouldn’t have had the life he is living with buildings all over the world, casinos, his very own high rise building, a number one TV show for 14 years and then to the Presidency?

If his parents screwed up then I wonder what would have become of him if raised him right?

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This situation is a microcosm of Dump's life. Always being excluded from the group because he finds a way to screw people any chance he gets. Then he likes to whine like a child for not be treated fairly because no one believes his lies.

So, his circle is filled with sycophants and other unsavory characters worst than him.

His mother and father really screwed him up during his upbringing!

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Meriam-Webster defines “absent” as “not present at a usual or expected place” for example a student would be absent from class or a worker absent from a meeting.

Trump wasn’t invited to the funeral, therefore the use of the word “absent” is inappropriate and intentional deceptive.

Is it appropriate to say that Trump is absent from Osaka station? After all, he’s not there right?

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Burning BushToday  07:00 am JST

Trump didn't attend an event he wasn't invited to, so "absent" is a bit of a stretch isn't it.

No. Proficient English speakers know that outside of the classroom, absent simply means "not present". It is not a stretch, it is a perfectly accurate use of English.

Don't @ me or call on people to shoot me.

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Watched the funeral services, he deserved it, he got his wish. Amazing man, amazing life.One of his closest friend said, he was obsessed about every minor detail of how the funeral should be, especially the music. I really felt bad for Meghan, i really understand the deep, deep pain she’s going through, you will never recover from that kind of loss, but you do learn how to live with it as you move forward. I wish the family nothing but the best the hard part hasn’t even begun yet.

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Trump didn't attend an event he wasn't invited to

Trump didn't attend an event he wasn't welcome at is much more accurate.

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Trump didn't attend an event he wasn't invited to, so "absent" is a bit of a stretch isn't it.

But heh, at least we know what side Reuters is on.

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