Brexit deadlocked again: British parliament fails to find an alternative

No deal = no Brexit. Either the pols or the people will just have to cut this Gordian Knot that has been strangling the country for the last 3 years. The EU is impatiently waiting at Canossa to open its gates to the returning renitent UK's penitents.

Anarchy in the U.K.!

A few people have realised that the EU has already removed a WTO exit as an option for the UK. When the EU offered an Article 50 extension to Theresa May, they offered two extension dates (12 April and 22 May).

In the text provided, they simply could have just changed the date from 29 March to 12 April for the WTO exit option, but they didn't. The last sentence of the text states:

In that event (Parliament rejects the Withdrawal Agreement), the United Kingdom will indicate a way forward before the 12th of April 2019, for consideration by the European Council.

The text makes no mention of the UK leaving the EU with no deal on 12 April.

Simply put, everything has already been decided. It will be extended again.

However, all of this is playing havok with domestic UK law. Ironically, Gina Miller's court case resulted in a demand for an Act of Parliament to set Article 50 in motion. So likewise, although the PM and EU can extend the date all they like, it is illegal for them to do so without the consent of Parliament.

A court case has been brought against the British Government about riding roughshod over UK law. The case was brought forward last Friday and began on Monday. As you can imagine, it's being kept very quiet.

So four votes on the same deal that keeps getting rejected over and over is perfectly reasonable, but a second referendum now that the public can see the reality that resulted from Leave's empty sloganeering and unicorn promises would "undermine democracy."

@CrazyJoe

Parliament has voted against holding a second referendum three times within the last two weeks.

Monday indicative vote shambolic blundering, is a result of Parliament taking control of UK EU withdrawal process courtesy of politicly dimwitted toffs Oliver Lewin, Dominic Grieve and the mumbling Marxist Jeremy Corbyn

All totally out of touch with any constituent resembling a voter. Remember the hearty rallying cry,

We (Parliament) will seize control of Brexit process from Theresa May's government, and commit to engaging constructively with this process and find a solution.

Monday embarrassingly delusional, farcical comedy of errors, played out for a global audience to gape open mouthed in astonishment must signal Theresa May's end of days, and be followed by a General Election. Hope that this brings the start of some form of political change.

Under no circumstances is this sitting House of Commons, current Parliament capable or competent to/of managing a 12th April clean break framework.

So an extension will be necessary to allow adequate time to accommodate a return to the country. Some eight to twelve weeks allowing of course for EU parliament elections

A second referendum would fail to find a passage through the commons, the options necessary to put to the electorate would be insurmountable for any agreed consensus.

A court case has been brought against the British Government about riding roughshod over UK law. The case was brought forward last Friday and began on Monday. As you can imagine, it's being kept very quiet.

Hi Tangerine. Could we get a link to this please? One that doesn't come from Guido Fawkes, Spiked, the Daily Mail, Express etc, if possible. Thanks.

End of discussion.

Leave was voted. Therefore, Leave.

Deal? Yeah yeah, if you're a British, stick with your pride and humour.

Don't let the world laugh at you on your own jokes.

End of deal and discussion.

As a Japanese, I find it very hard to comment. Which is better, a clean break, or a dirty break?

@AlfieNaokes

Here is a link describing the case:

https://briefingsforbrexit.com/the-postponement-of-brexit-is-it-legal/

Here is a link to Robin Tillbrook, the individual who a brought the case against the Government:

http://robintilbrook.blogspot.com/2019/03/english-democrats-bring-case-to-get.html

Could you also provide a list of sources that you would accept that go beyond the Guardian, Independent and BBC, please?

I think it is important not to stay within an echo chamber.

You could also have googled "Article 50 extension court case" yourself.

End of discussion.

Leave was voted. Therefore, Leave.

Agreed. But the UK cannot leave until its prime minister and her government agrees to, either with a deal or no deal.

You have to understand, the ruling Conservative party are using Brexit for their own political careers, happy to split the government and happy not to agree on any deal. And the perpetrators of Brexit (Farage, Johnson, Rees-Mogg) are nowhere to be seen.

Therefore the leave vote has been failed by the politicians.

And the perpetrators of Brexit (Farage, Johnson, Rees-Mogg) are nowhere to be seen.

Mogg: Conservative MP, leader of ERG, still supporting Brexit as far as I know.

Joohnson: Still trying to become PM (won't happen though) and supporting Brexit.

Farage: Set up a new poiltical party to take part in the European Election and to make sure Brexit happens.

Nowhere to be seen!? They're on the telly nearly every day.

Without doubt, the current woeful situation, whether a remain or leave voter, is tantamount to political anarchy.

Establishment chaos and disorder, blinkered delusional belief that the UK can move in two different political directions at the same time, in effect remain and leave.

The disastrous negotiations that vomited May's deal will lead to another abomination in the form of a agreement on the future trading relationship.

Criminally incompetent doesn't come near to the catastrophic reality people will be required to endure. Parliament is totally unfit for the task or purpose.

If UK was to clean break on the 12th April, the collective house of common membership tasked to be responsible to would run and hide behind the sofa.

It pointless to deny the UK will have to seek a prolonged extension to A50 and make arrangements to take part in the up coming EU parliament elections.

Looking at the figures quite a few MPs didn't vote - they would be the DUP and hard line Brexit-fixated Tories. I also blame Labour for playing party politics instead of supporting the revocation of A50... this whole process needs to stop now.

Tangerine you really need to research this properly. If you knew British politics you would know that Farage and Johnson are infamous for stirring plots then never taking the lead.

Rees-Mogg supported a second referendum and now opposes it. Another who has been discrediting his own party leader in public. Also changed his mind over a no-deal Brexit.

Farage is the biggest hypocrite of the lot. Helped to lead the Leave movement and then disappeared off the political landscape once the kitchen got too hot. Criticises Brussels yet at the same time draws a salary from Brussels. Led UKIP then left it when there was actual work to do.

Johnson, and you said it - a supporter of Leave yet at the same time wants to overthrow the leader of his own party.

The UK's Brexit is in a complete mess because these three men who led the Leave campaign then disappeared once they realised there was no business plan for it.

Tangerine you really need to research this properly. If you knew....

Please don't dodge what I said.

Nowhere to be seen!? They're on the telly nearly every day.

Mogg, Johnson and Farage are still active politicians (unlike Cameron). They are all still engaged in making Brexit happen.

The UK's Brexit is in a complete mess because these three men who led the Leave campaign then disappeared....

They haven't disappeared though. That's what I am disagreeing with you about.

Especially, Farage. As mentioned before, he's the leader of a new political party that will take part in any new elections. How is that disappearing?

Nigel Farage was a prominent member leading the Leave campaign. In fact he was the first MEP in Brussels criticising the EU whilst still accepting his salary from Brussels. When the Leave campaign caused the huge shock in winning the referendum (and Cameron and Osborne chickened out and resigned), Farage disappeared from leadership of Brexit. Where is his Brexit deal plan then? Boris Johnson too.

It has been a characteristic of Farage's political career. He became leader of UKIP then shortly after that couldn't handle the leadership and resigned from the party. Where is his Brexit plan?

When I say 'disappear' I mean that these politicians are not leading any Brexit business plan. They merely stir it up for their own individual political careers.

I do not like Theresa May but at least she has tried to get some kind of deal over the line. It's very easy for the likes of Rees-Mogg to criticise her whilst changing his own opinion every 12 months.

Would you care to explain how they could have taken control of Brexit?

Mogg: Backbench MP, not a member of the cabinet, zero chance of him becoming PM in 2017. Could not affect Government Brexit policy.

Johnson: Wanted to be PM in 2017, but impossible. This is because the PM at that time was selected by the 330 or so Conservative MPs themselves. Could not affect Government Brexit policy.

Farage: Leader of UKIP, but not an MP. Zero influence in Westminster. Could not affect Government Brexit policy.

Again, could you please explain how these 3 individuals had any power, control or ability to control the Government's Brexit policy?

Could you also provide a list of sources that you would accept that go beyond the Guardian, Independent and BBC, please? I think it is important not to stay within an echo chamber.

Thanks for the links. Robin Tillbrook looks like he'd be a right laugh propping up the golf club bar after a few G and Ts.

I loathe the Guardian, fyi. Used to read it when it was a proper Liberal newspaper, then it went Blairite and sacked the few decent writers who remained in 2015, Pilger and so on. Now it's sunk to employing mouthpieces for the Security Services. Football and arts are decentish, though. The Indy is OK, but the Brexit Broadcasting Corporation is a joke. So that's one out of three there.

Oh, and I quite like Peter Oborne of the Daily Mail. But not the Mail itself, because they were Nazi sympathizers in the 1930s and we don't like Nazis, do we.

Mogg, Farage and Johnson are charlatans and frauds, with no plan, nothing. Just self-interest, some empty slogans and hand-waving, that's all.

And here's the kind of people they have attracted:

https://twitter.com/damocrat/status/1111715313748455429?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fd-31032280604223693744.ampproject.net%2F1903141753530%2Fframe.html

but the Brexit Broadcasting Corporation is a joke

This is odd because from where I am, the BBC is as anti-Brexit as you can get. Without fail they always load their panels with remainers. Just last night for example, they had 4 remainers and one Brexiteer.

I'm sure you have no problems with YouGov, at least I hope you don't:

https://yougov.co.uk/topics/politics/articles-reports/2018/02/22/bbc-news-pro-brexit-or-anti-brexit

BBC is pretty high up on the anti-Brexit list. 27% of the population feel it is, whereas only 8% feel it is pro-Brexit

Even more remainers believe the BBC is anti Brexit than remainers who think it isn't.

Actually, now that I have checked the list on YouGov and compared, considering you said that the Guardian 'was' good before becoming "Blairite", and that you think the "i" is OK, I think I have a better understanding of where you are coming from.

Tangerine, like I said you definitely need some research. Boris Johnson was the most prominent politician and committee member of the Vote Leave campaign during the referendum. Nigel Farage was a founding member of the Leave EU and Grassroots Out campaigns during the referendum.

But as soon as Leave unexpectedly won the referendum what did they both do? Yes, Johnson hid behind his party and especially behind Theresa May. And Farage did what Farage always does and returned to drinking port at lunchtimes in the city.

I never said Farage, Johnson, or Rees-Mogg had control of current Brexit policy. They led the Leave campaign and then vanished from any form of leadership or Brexit plan.

A large number of Leave voters were influenced by Johnson and Farage's fables of immigration, terrorism, and anti-Brussels rhetoric. So now they won where is their Brexit plan to deal with these issues?

Britain voted to LEAVE so just leave. Stop all this flapping around nonsense. Leave with no deal and just get out of the totally corrupt rotten eu mafia organisation. After a short period, the future will be great for Britain.

If this absolute affront to democracy continues much longer, there will have to be a general election where the conservative and labour parties will be totally decimated. The great Nigel Farage's BREXIT party will just sweep the board and Nigel Farage will become the Prime Minister.

I have also heard hints of a possible coming military coup to settle this total deadlock but I hope it doesn't come to that.

And there was me taking you seriously...

Yeah, it's just the usual parade of partially aware Breitbart/Fox/Stormfront types that turn up on here.

It's weird so many are so desperate to leave, off a single uninformed vote, without bothering to check if that's actually still want people want to do, before such a drastic move that will affect the future of every British citizen ever.

I'm pretty sure they are worried that the rest of the people have come to think that maybe they don't want to leave.

Alfie and Stranger, its weird that these posters think that the blame lies with anyone who supports remain. Why should anyone who supports remain have to vote to support a Brexit deal? Voters or politicians? Surely its on the leave voters and politicians to iron out a deal.

@TigersTokyoDome

You've said that they all disappeared, but then said "not" disappeared, but "not there". Then you're saying it's their fault for not leading Brexit, but then acknowledge that they had no control over the process. Now you're saying "Yes, but no, but yes......they didn't have a plan for Brexit".

All three have plans which have been published in the British press multiple times. Mogg, Johnson and Farage have been on the TV and radio giving the same spiel about what they would do, with details of how they would do it, ever since the referendum.

Tangerine, like I said you definitely need some research.

I don't think you're actually interested in finding out whether what you have said is accurate. It seems like you're circling around to the same points without addressing anything.

@AlfieNoakes

I meant to ask...do you honestly feel that the BBC is pro-Brexit?