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Death tolls jump in U.S. virus hot spots of New York, Louisiana

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An economy can and will always be revived to some degree. The only real unknown is how long it will take but it will happen. Unfortunately, the same cannot be said of a human being. Its pretty difficult to revive a dead person.

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Well, I don't see why everyone is so worried about this - our great President, the all-knowing and all omnipotent Trump the Imperious has put his No. 1 go-to guy on the case; Jared "My Dad was locked up by Chris Christie" Kushner...

Jared has all the skills the CDC experts and Dr Fauci lack - he's a slum lord....

So, fret not my fellow Americans - the adults are in charge now....

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Many of the fatal U.S. victims were dying alone as medical staff forbade relatives to be with them in their final hours for fear of a further spread of infection.

As sad as it gets. And still Trump media spokespeople like Tucker Carlson are telling Trump followers that it's the medical community who are at fault for saying more physical distancing is needed. Carlson and others want businesses to stay open, which would result in more people out in public potentially further spreading the virus resulting in even greater strains on overstressed healthcare providers

resulting in even more strains on the economy.

The anti-science portion of the business community seem willing to further tank the economy betting they'll somehow survive. I wonder how many of them have the best health insurance money can buy. Including Tucker Carlson. And the telescamgelists.

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*ucker Carlson is another of Trump's minions. They'd cut off their own noses to spite their faces.

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Coronavirus May Kill 100,000 to 240,000 in U.S. Despite Actions, Officials Say

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/31/us/politics/coronavirus-death-toll-united-states.html

As of April 2nd, California had 160,000 tests had not come back. I know there are some labs that are overrun with tests and states that simply do not have enough tests to give (most I would say). So how anyone could project deaths is beyond me. Personally, I know for a fact that crematoriums are overloaded. This is truly and national disgrace.

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Nobody is saying to completely shut off the economy and nobody thinks the economy could survive if we did that. Let’s keep the inaccuracies for after noon.

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At Thursday's briefing on how the government is responding, Trump's senior adviser and son-in-law Jared Kushner scolded states for not building up their own stockpiles, saying that the "the notion of the federal stockpile was it’s supposed to be our stockpile, it’s not supposed to be states’ stockpiles that they then use.

"Our stockpile"? Does he mean the Trump's?

Because clearly he didn't mean "The American People's stockpile".

Maybe he means it's just for the elites/swamp?

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@kuya What are you talking about? Carlson was sounding the alarm about the Covid 19 threat to the US

Interpret what's reported in this link how you choose.

https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/tucker-carlson-medical-experts-failed-badly-coronavirus-081400145.html

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People should actually read the articles they cite so they don’t mischaracterize the content. Not a single one of the three articles above support the contention that liberals want the economy completely shutdown.

Spreading misinformation during a crisis pits people’s lives at risk.

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How? I always thought that socialism was a political and economic theory in which the means of production, distribution and exchange of goods are owned and controlled by the members of a society through direct action.

You are correct and I apologizing for not being clear that I was using Trump supporters’ incorrect definition of socialism.

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the CDC couldn’t seem to produce working tests,

This was caused DIRECTLY by Trump.

That is not opinion, but fact.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-china-cdc-exclusiv/exclusive-u-s-slashed-cdc-staff-inside-china-prior-to-coronavirus-outbreak-idUSKBN21C3N5

U.S. slashed CDC staff inside China prior to coronavirus outbreak

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Yeah but the States that aren't affected want to stay open

People have choices. They can trust the virologists and other medical and scientific experts saying practice physical distancing and stay at home, even in areas where the virus hasn't been so widely felt, OR they can trust internet posters who say it's just another cold/flu.

I'll trust the experts. If the virus continues to grow and spread, media figures and social media posters who dismissed the severity of the virus will have lost the tiny bit of credibility they might have had.

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@PTownsend

What are you talking about? Carlson was sounding the alarm about the Covid 19 threat to the US in January while the likes of CNN, MSNBC were breathlessly covering impeachment. In early February Calson did a long segment on his show about the situation in China and again reiterated the message that people were not paying attention to the problem. On March 7 Carlson went to Mar-a-lago to have a private meeting with Trump to push his message of the danger of this virus and the need to be prepared. On March 9 Carlson went on his show and in stark contrast to some of his FOX colleagues said, “People you know will get sick, Some may die. This is real. That's the point of this script — to tell you that.”

Meanwhile on February 1 from the Washington Post

“Clearly, the flu poses the bigger and more pressing peril; a handful of cases of the new respiratory illness have been reported in the United States, none of them fatal or apparently even life-threatening,” 

One day before that (01/31) VOX told it's readers "Is this going to be a deadly pandemic? No!"

Interestingly this was 2 days after the White House announced the formation of the Coronavirus taskforce and expanded travel restrictions for China.

And then here was Oxiris Barbot NYC Health commissioner who on February 2 told New Yorkers “There is no reason not to take the subway, not to take the bus, not to go out to your favorite restaurant, and certainly not to miss the parade next Sunday.” And then on February 7 “We’re telling New Yorkers, go about your lives, take the subway, go out, enjoy life”

Or Bill de Blasio reassuring New Yorkers on February 10 with “If you’re under 50 & you’re healthy, which is most NYers, there’s very little threat here. This disease, even if you were to get it, basically acts like a common cold or flu. And transmission is not that easy,”

To be honest I've been looking for the source for your statements but I just can't find them, could you please provide a link?

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States and counties that aren't affected should be working at 110% to help the ones that have to shut down.

Thats socialism and we know it won’t work in America be aside supporters of Big D constantly tell us that.

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Let’s see what gems are coming out of the WH now:

At Thursday's briefing on how the government is responding, Trump's senior adviser and son-in-law Jared Kushner scolded states for not building up their own stockpiles, saying that the "the notion of the federal stockpile was it’s supposed to be our stockpile, it’s not supposed to be states’ stockpiles that they then use.

The Kush is as stupid as Donny and his followers. He seems to think the federal government is made up of a separate landmass than that of the states. He’s implying that the stockpile be used solely on federal land or overseas where we have embassies and military bases.

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No, every liberal has not been advocating a complete shutdown of the economy. If that were remotely true, you’d be able to provide numerous quotes and cites.

Donny calling for a completely re-opening of the economy is dangerous according to the experts, who you have repeatedly told us to listen to instead of Donny.

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@PTownsend

Thanks for the link. I checked it out but I didn't see Carlson "telling Trump followers that it's the medical community who are at fault for saying more physical distancing is needed."

I did see him saying “Once the coronavirus reached our shores the CDC couldn’t seem to produce working tests, Those were disasters. Many people died because the people we trusted to protect our health didn’t do it.” 

Criticizing the CDC's actions at the beginning of this crisis is a legitimate complaint. And that's who Carlson was talking about, not the medical community as a whole. And for sure, no where in the article did Carlson say anything about medical community being at fault for saying more social distancing is needed.

So I guess that part is a matter of interpretation and projection.

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Pay attention Japan. This virus does NOT progress in a linear way. It literally explodes.

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@Kuya

Carlson was sounding the alarm about the Covid 19 threat to the US in January while the likes of CNN, MSNBC were breathlessly covering impeachment. In early February Calson did a long segment on his show about the situation in China and again reiterated the message that people were not paying attention to the problem.

Yes, I also followed that, and CNNs leading medical expert was also silent or dismissing the virus at that time, as well as their other panelist. Trump did clown at some rallies, but thats only part of the story. Now many of them are propping themselves up like they were warning us all along when in fact they were just as complacent. They run commercials about "facts" when who is checking them? Whatever happened to impeachment anyway? Pelosi licking and sucking her teeth rambling about some nonsense in the stimulus she dont like. All the millions spent on that waste of time witch hunt, now things are serious, where are these people? where is Nadler, Schiff and Pelosi?

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Thats socialism

How? I always thought that socialism was a political and economic theory in which the means of production, distribution and exchange of goods are owned and controlled by the members of a society through direct action.

America is a Constitutional Republic where the citizens can express their interests by electing representatives at the local, state, and federal levels. And each of those levels has a responsibility to their constituents.

If an individual state determines that their economies can continue to provide goods and services due to their specific situation and in doing so provide those good and services to people who need them then they are not practicing socialism. They are practicing what a Republic is all about and be assured there will be a lot of capitalism involved.

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The pandemic and the US response has been tragic - that's why I was so inspired hearing President Trump's speech several days ago....

"My fellow Americans - I come to you today with a heavy heart - and ask for your forgiveness. My administration abolished and underfunded several federal agencies who could have assisted in identifying and help ward off this virus. I also disregarded warning by our intelligence services on how dangerous the virus was. I then downplayed and minimized the seriousness of the virus, and falsely stated it was "contained", and that "anyone can get tested". I have bumbled and botched our support to state governors who are on the front lines, causing more Americans to lose their lives.

For all of this - I take full responsibility and want you to know the bucks stops with me....

And in closing; April Fools!"

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Just doing the math for my state here in the midst of the pandemic. According our state DHS, 1 of 5,400 in state have covid19 and 20% of those are health care workers. 1 of 275,000 have died. 1 of 65,000 are hospitalized. 1 of 127,000 are on ventilators. I'm not complaining but so far covid19 is negligible as a cause of death and illness in my state.

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As sad as it gets. And still Trump media spokespeople like Tucker Carlson are telling Trump followers that it's the medical community who are at fault for saying more physical distancing is needed. Carlson and others want businesses to stay open,

He’s absolutely right! Some businesses should and need to remain open, you cannot have a nation and completely lockdown and turn of the very engine, the lifeline of the machine that drives it, otherwise you will never recovery.

resulting in even more strains on the economy.

Keeping the entire work sectors, particularly the private sector is a recipe for serious disaster.

The anti-science portion of the business community seem willing to further tank the economy betting they'll somehow survive. I wonder how many of them have the best health insurance money can buy. Including Tucker Carlson. And the telescamgelists.

No, the liberal msm, Trump haters as well as anti-business haters think the US economy can survive with every industry sector completely closing down, in doing so, the nation will never financially recover.

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Nobody is saying to completely shut off the economy and nobody thinks the economy could survive if we did that. Let’s keep the inaccuracies for after noon.

Given the screeching of liberals and what they want, it would, it’s extreme and would have devastating consequences on the nation. If liberals do care as they claim, then it would make perfect sense to open up certain job sectors which are vital to the survival of the nation.

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Every liberal has been demanding it, if not, then Trump advocating to re-opening the job market is a commendable act and should be greeted with applause and respect for his determination in wanting the might of the capitalist machine to go back to working full force. But that’s not what’s happening, liberals are appalled that Trump wants to re-open the country ASAP. They want Trump to rely on the government and when the nation can’t restart its engine, socialism will be screwed as well.....or they’ll try and confiscate people’s personal possessions and try to sell them to the highest bidder in an attempt to jump start the economy.

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No, every liberal has not been advocating a complete shutdown of the economy

Washington liberals and the msm have.

https://edition.cnn.com/2020/03/25/business/economy-recession-coronavirus-trump-easter/index.html

https://www.washingtonpost.com/us-policy/2020/03/23/trump-coronavirus-senate-economic-stimulus/

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/01/business/economy/trump-democrats-coronavirus-economy.html

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