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Democratic U.S. Senator Franken says he will resign over sexual misconduct allegations

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Was watching CNN last night and former Trump campaign manager Corey Lewandowski said that it was right for Franken to step down as he has admitted to harassing women, but when pressed about Trump and Moore, he said, those are only accusations, which means they are not guilty, so they don't need to apologize or step down! The Trump believers hear this and nod their heads! Unbelievable.

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Typical liberal, preach one thing, do another.

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Both Rep. Underpants and Sen. Gropen, both from the "Party for Women", are politically frog marched out the door in disgrace. Christmas comes early this year. . . .

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Punishment is correct. Not all offenses rise to the level where one should lose one's job. Franken made mistakes--trying for a kiss and ALLEGEDLY patting women's buttocks. Not excusable...but let's note he's apologized for some behavior and denied other.

It's important to set a standard for behavior, but it's also important to set a reasonable and consistent standard--if you're going to fire every senator who has ever made a mistake in judgment, asked someone for an unrequited kiss, held a glance too long--then who among us remains fit to serve?

Lastly, our country has a history of ditching due process in a thirst for supposed justice, many of these instances are the darker chapters of our existence. It's ok to champion victims, it's ok to punish the guilty--but the punishment should fit the crime and the innocent should be left unscathed.

Otherwise, the cure isn't really a cure...

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So when are conservatives going to step up and demand their gropers and grabbers and child molesters do the same?

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So when are conservatives going to step up and demand their gropers and grabbers and child molesters do the same?

I think most conservatives would go along with doing the same. Most conservatives I know are principled people. I differentiate them from authoritarian nationalists like Trump supporters. Their principles flex dependent on what dear leader tells them to think and do.

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his Democratic colleagues lined up to embrace him, including many of the women who had called for his resignation. -- article

Turns out Stuart Smalley wasn't good enough, wasn't smart enough and dog gone it, people within his own party didn't like him. . . .

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Franken says he is going to step down in a few weeks because of the multiple accusations of sexual abuses of women. But then called he accusers liars by denying that he did it. So why did he resign?

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So when are conservatives going to step up and demand their gropers and grabbers and child molesters do the same?

Good question. Probably right after Liberals step up and demand that Congress censure former President Clinton for rape and various other sex abuses and former First Lady Clinton for slut shaming her husbands victims.

I have a feeling everyone will be waiting a long time for any of that to happen.

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@wolfp But then called he accusers liars

Mighty big stretch saying he called them liars. But then alt facts and distortions are the hallmark of Trump's true believers.

Probably right after Liberals step up a

Thank you for reinforcing my point that it's flex-principled Trump followers who won't condemn Trump and other rightists who've been accused of sexual misconduct.

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Democrat: Allegations of sexual misconduct - resign in disgrace and career over

Rube: Proven pedophilia, admitted sexual assault and rape - promotion to senate or president

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Prison?

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Well, he doesn't have to stop being a clown. He can always go back to SNL. I'm sure those lefties will take him back with open "minds". Cough cough

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It would be nice if all the predators were run out of office.

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It would be nice if all the predators were run out of office.

Agreed. But that would require the voting public, people from across political spectrums, to put ethics before political affiliation. It's doubtful, however, the extremists at both ends of the spectrum would do that.

Look at how few Trump and Moore supporters are willing to criticize them as the allegations against both mount.

True believers put faith in the person they're following and seem to have little to no regard for ethics, or the country as a whole for that matter. And so the predators remain.

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Al, you've extremely disappointed me with your behavior. You are not fit to serve in the Senate.

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Sen. Grope should thank whomever he prays to that his accusers did not come out against him when he was first running for office in 2007. He never would have been elected. Instead, he got to play the role of a mediocre senator from Minnesota for eight years. . . .

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@texag He never would have been elected.

Thank you for reinforcing my point that it's flex-principled Trump followers who won't condemn Trump and other rightists who've been accused of sexual misconduct.

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Well this brought a smile to my face:

Arizona GOP Rep. Trent Franks to resign following sexual harassment claim

Here's his....um....apology:

"But in the midst of this current cultural and media climate, I am deeply convinced I would be unable to complete a fair House Ethics investigation before distorted and sensationalized versions of this story would put me, my family, my staff, and my noble colleagues in the House of Representatives through hyperbolized public excoriation," Franks said in his statement. "Rather than allow a sensationalized trial by media damage those things I love most, this morning I notified House leadership that I will be leaving Congress as of January 31st, 2018."

This guy was a real nutball.

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So when are conservatives going to step up and demand their gropers and grabbers and child molesters do the same?

Fanken never really owned up to most of the allegations, whatever, but everyone knows that Franken is expendable as well as a liability, since everything else they accused the President failed, now tha the country is on a warpath to off anyone that literally looks at a person the wrong way, the left think the women that allegedly accused Tump of making rude remarks should step down from office since Franken did, who by the way, had photos of him committing the act and then Moore who’s been hit with a barrage of sexual allegations, some have been debunked and if the Dems are willing to eat their own and the GOP don’t, they left can brag, at least they clean their house. Interesting ploy. It’s not about Franken or Moore or even Conyers, these are all side issues to find a kink in Trump’s armor and see if this is the thing that can remove him from office. Desperate measures, desperate times. Smh.

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Democrat: Allegations of sexual misconduct - resign in disgrace and career over

lol. Disgraced ? Personally I don't accept any of the allegations as iron clad, but supposing he was sincerely contrite, then why not apologize and leave effective immediately ? Why wait until the end of the 2017 to collect a full years worth of retirement benefits before making it official (presuming the delay has nothing to do with Moore, that appears to be is the strategy).

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Fanken never really owned up to most of the allegations

He owned up to some of the small number of accusations against him. Trump/Moore owned up to NONE of the MANY accusations against them. And yet you guys who are usually the first to cry "hypocrite" still manage to gloat. I usually try to be fair, but conservatives just consistently show a lack of integrity all the way from Internet commenters to party leaders.

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PTown: Mighty big stretch saying he called them liars. 

Franken stated that the allegations are untrue. Google his speech and watch it again. If he said they were not telling the truth then he was calling them liars. I am not a ‘Trump true believer’. I did not vote for him. He may have said he nominate conservative judges but he is still a clown.

Thank you for reinforcing my point that it's flex-principled Trump followers who won't condemn Trump and other rightists who've been accused of sexual misconduct.

Who says I and many other conservatives do not condemn Trump for his behavior? We are just enjoying the sport of watching Dems tie themselves into knots on the issue. Honestly, how can a liberal partisan expect a conservative partisan to condemn their bad guy when parisan Democrats defended a rapist former president as recently as last year during the election campaign? They should at least admit that Ken Starr was right before going on a rant about Trump or Moore.

Even the arch-Liberal feminist Senator Gillibrand gave her support to Bill Clinton just last year even though she knew full well of the severity of the abuse he visited upon many women. Now that a Republican is president she suddenly believes that we should believe the women. Who is she trying to kid? Republicans rightly see naked partisanship for the purposes of political gain and many have decided that they do not want to be played for a sucker. It is pretty but neither was it pretty when Dems did it when their guy was in the dock.

Would you expect Dems to fall for a similar sleight of hand had the roles been reversed? Of course we know the answer to that. Consider what a horrible abuse it was when Anita Hill said she found a pubic hair on her coke can - only to have her supporters brush off rape allegations against Bubba just a few years later.

If you cannot understand why a Republican could vote for and support a person like Trump and Moore who like Franken, and Conyers were also accused of sexual abuses, ask yourself if you supported Bill Clinton during his impeachment and all the way up through the re-litigation of that event during last years election? Ask Senator Gillibrand - she can tell you why.

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He owned up to some of the small number of accusations against him.

Yes, to some he did, but “NOT really and entirely owning up to the other charges.” Now I’m not going to jump on that bandwagon like the left and claim he did all of these allegations without knowing all the details, but he said to the other charges he didn’t, ok, we shall see hopefully in the near future who’s telling the truth.

Trump/Moore owned up to NONE of the MANY accusations against them.

Because as I stated before that would throw the left a bone and say, we dumped our people, so you guys need to dump the president. Sneaky to say the least. Democrats could care less about throwing one of theirs overboard to achieve their political goals, any other situation, the left would have stuck with Franken and with Conyers, but their hatred of Trump is so sick and twisted, so off the charts, they will forsake their own to meet those goals.

And yet you guys who are usually the first to cry "hypocrite" still manage to gloat. I usually try to be fair, but conservatives just consistently show a lack of integrity all the way from Internet commenters to party leaders.

Oh, you think so?

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Fanken never really owned up to most of the allegations, whatever

Kiddie fiddler Moore and Touchy Trump haven't owned up to any of the allegations.

the left think the women that allegedly accused Tump of making rude remarks should step down from office since Franken did,

The women did not allegedly accuse Trump, they accused him; those women aren't in office. We think Trump should step down.

who by the way, had photos of him committing the act

There were no photos of Franken touching anyone. You're mischaracterizing the photo of him on the military transport. There was no contact in that photo.

Sneaky to say the least. Democrats could care less about throwing one of theirs overboard to achieve their political goals, any other situation, the left would have stuck with Franken and with Conyers, but their hatred of Trump is so sick and twisted, so off the charts, they will forsake their own to meet those goals

So the democrats doing the correct thing and demanding resignations is not honorable and only driven by a desire to force republicans to do the same? That is some flawed crazy, corrupt conservative logic.

Because as I stated before that would throw the left a bone and say, we dumped our people, so you guys need to dump the president.

So, rail on democrats for not taking action against people that have allegedly harassed women. Yet crazy, conservatives are correct to remain silent on kiddie fiddling Moore and Touchy Trump because it would be throwing the left a bone. It's good to see crazy, corrupt conservatives value party over decency.

Yes, to some he did, but “NOT really and entirely owning up to the other charges.”

Middie fiddling Moore and Toychy Trump.

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Democrats could care less about throwing one of theirs overboard to achieve their political goals, any other situation, the left would have stuck with Franken and with Conyers

We tried to defend Franken for as long as they could. Conyers was a different story, because the circumstances were different. He actually fired a person who refused his advances and he used tax payer dollars to settle the case.

but their hatred of Trump is so sick and twisted so off the charts, they will forsake their own to meet those goals.

Our defense of Franken seems to contradict that completely. Judging by comments, our side is better at looking at things in context. We defended Franken until the accusations became indefensible. Republicans continue to defend a man who was banned from a mall for creeping on teenagers and a President for whom sexual harassment is just one of his integrity issues. They seem willing to defend child molesters to achieve their political goals.

Oh, you think so?

Yeah, I do.

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We defended Franken until the accusations became indefensible.

Except that the latest allegations were actually the most trivial, at least IMO. And compared against past Democratic mistakes and misdeeds in the realm of sexual harassment they are mind-bogglingly trivial.

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Except that the latest allegations were actually the most trivial, at least IMO. And compared against past Democratic mistakes and misdeeds in the realm of sexual harassment they are mind-bogglingly trivial.

Okay. You are failing to understand that we looked at the totality of the allegations. After a certain number of allegations that were consistent in the description of the predation, it becomes obvious the allegations are credible. Combine that with evidence such as signed yearbooks, graduation cards, being banned from a mall . . .

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If you are a racist, bigot, peadophile and rapist then there's one party which will welcome you with open arms.

Bet thats the demographic which will not have any 'immigration ban' .

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Combine that with evidence such as signed yearbooks, graduation cards, being banned from a mall . .

He was banned from a mall ? The manager says not. The other charges of course have not been proven either.

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If you are a racist, bigot, peadophile and rapist then there's one party which will welcome you with open arms.

Bet thats the demographic which will not have any 'immigration ban' .

The republicans want an immigration ban.

He was banned from a mall ? The manager says not.

The security guard at the time, who was former law enforcement, multiple employees of the mall, etc. say so. Your one witness against the multitudes of other witnesses.

The other charges of course have not been proven either.

Charges haven't been proven against Spacey, Franken, Conyers, either.

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Kiddie fiddler Moore and Touchy Trump haven't owned up to any of the allegations.

With Trump they were just comments, despicable as it were, but they were just only comments, there wasn’t anything of physical sexual impropriety committed on the Presidents part as of what we know now. Also, why is it liberals love to call people vile and rude names. Shows the true kindness and tolerance of the left.

The women did not allegedly accuse Trump, they accused him; those women aren't in office. We think Trump should step down.

Yeah, that’s the fallible plan all along that wot happen, didn’t happen with Clinton and he did far worse. Even if you could get Trump out, we would have Pence and unlike Trump he’s a deeply devoted Christian and would really give the left a bigger headache than Trump. Either way, the left would go completely apoplectic.

There were no photos of Franken touching anyone.

Yes, there were or are you saying all his fellow Democrats are lying?

You're mischaracterizing the photo of him on the military transport. There was no contact in that photo.

Ok, I’m looking the photo, so you are saying my eyes are lying and the photo is lying a I shouldn’t believe them because some on the left dispute it outright?

Wow!

https://search.yahoo.co.jp/image/search;_ylt=A2RCA9nd2ilau1cABxKU3uV7?p=Franken+groping+women&aq=-1&oq=&ei=UTF-8#mode%3Ddetail%26index%3D0%26st%3D24

So the democrats doing the correct thing and demanding resignations is not honorable and only driven by a desire to force republicans to do the same?

That’s the underlying message?

That is some flawed crazy, corrupt conservative logic.

No, it’s a very insightful view of the cunning and deceptive liberal agenda.

We tried to defend Franken for as long as they could. 

Yes, until the pressure from all the Dems came crashing on him. Why not on day one or two? At least step aside until the

Ethics Committee finishes their investigation?

Our defense of Franken seems to contradict that completely. Judging by comments, our side is better at looking at things in context.

Well, you guys have now over 29 sexual deviants, that’s a lot, but you guys are looking into the context of it all, right?

We defended Franken until the accusations became indefensible. Republicans continue to defend a man who was banned from a mall for creeping on teenagers and a President for whom sexual harassment is just one of his integrity issues.

Funny, there are new reports that former mall employees don’t remember of banning Moore.

As for Trump, of course nothing will be down as these are women that accused the President of saying unkind things, not touching, so you have to be fired for saying something out of context every single time?

They seem willing to defend child molesters to achieve their political goals.

Alleged, if the stories are true, but it seems some of the accusers are having some credibility problems.

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Newt Gingrin (Republican) is defending him. More people will resign. You get female lawmakers are upset older. Female lawmakers did not stop men. So NBC's Old Tom Brokow was called. He explained older women are from different era and men were not open to sexual intimidation yet. More likely they did not notice. Old time,,, married, divorced married,,,, diivrced, married. Like Giingrich, Trump. Den is men cleaning. and GOP. Is following.

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Yes, until the pressure from all the Dems came crashing on him. Why not on day one or two?

Maybe, he didn't expect anymore accusations. Because maybe sexual harassment is so ingrained in our society that some people don't even realize they committed it. Either way, Franken definitely handled it better than Trump or Moore.

Funny, there are new reports that former mall employees don’t remember of banning Moore.

So you believe them, but not the 8 or 9 accusers and about 30 people who corroborate their stories.

As for Trump, of course nothing will be down as these are women that accused the President of saying unkind things, not touching, so you have to be fired for saying something out of context every single time?

How soon we forget...

https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2017/12/what-about-the-19-women-who-accused-trump/547724/

Not only did he say unkind things, he groped, kissed without permission, walked in while they were getting dressed, etc. This is all "allegedly" of course. Trump's sterling reputation of integrity is enough to believe him over the 19 women right?

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With Trump they were just comments, despicable as it were, but they were just only comments, there wasn’t anything of physical sexual impropriety committed on the Presidents part as of what we know now.

We know he admitted to preying on women he had power over. We know 16 women have accused him of harassment. Only corrupt, crazy conservatives fail to admit there is something there.

Also, why is it liberals love to call people vile and rude names. Shows the true kindness and tolerance of the left

Like referring to looney liberals?

This:

Yeah, that’s the fallible plan all along that wot happen, didn’t happen with Clinton and he did far worse. Even if you could get Trump out, we would have Pence and unlike Trump he’s a deeply devoted Christian and would really give the left a bigger headache than Trump. Either way, the left would go completely apoplectic.

is not a relevant response to this:

The women did not allegedly accuse Trump, they accused him; those women aren't in office. We think Trump should step down.

Moving along.

Yes, there were or are you saying all his fellow Democrats are lying?

No, I'm saying Franken is not touching anyone in the photo. We need expert photo analysis and your assertion to be proven in a criminal court proceeding. Until then, it's simply allegations.

That’s the underlying message?

That is not an answer to a question, it's a question.

No, it’s a very insightful view of the cunning and deceptive liberal agenda

No, its deeply flawed logic driven purely by emotion.

Yes, until the pressure from all the Dems came crashing on him. Why not on day one or two? At least step aside until the Ethics Committee finishes their investigation?

At least the Dems did pressure Franken. Why haven't all crazy, corrupt conservatives pressured that child molester Moore?

Well, you guys have now over 29 sexual deviants, that’s a lot,

Alleged sexual deviants.

but you guys are looking into the context of it all, right

I hope so. Failing to look into the context of the allegations is what allows crazy, corrupt conservatives to not condemn that child molester Moore.

Funny, there are new reports that former mall employees don’t remember of banning Moore.

Funny, there are multiple former mall employees that do remember Moore being banned.

This is where crazy, corrupt conservatives failing to look into the context becomes an issue. The consistent allegations, the signed yearbook and graduation card, the people that remember Moore pushing children, and the former mall employees that remember him being banned is all strong evidence that Moore is a child molester.

As for Trump, of course nothing will be down as these are women that accused the President of saying unkind things, not touching, so you have to be fired for saying something out of context every single time?

Except the women that have accused Trump of physical assault.

Alleged, if the stories are true, but it seems some of the accusers are having some credibility problems.

Only the accusers that were paid by the crazy, corrupt conservatives at Project Veritas.

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@bass With Trump they were just comments, despicable as it were, but they were just only comments, there wasn’t anything of physical sexual impropriety committed on the Presidents part as of what we know now.

Who's 'we'? The article below says Trump 'committed sexual impropriety'. I'm sure if her charges are true, it would outrage even his staunchest supporters. Am I right?

https://www.snopes.com/jessica-leeds-phone-number-tied-to-clinton-foundation/

but they were just only comments,

'Just only comments'? I guess you're reinforcing the point that Trump supporters have a different set of ethics or at least they're willing to be flexible with them when it comes to backing their political messiah. The true conservatives I know and am friends with would say he was flat wrong in doing so.

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@wolfpk I did not vote for him. 

I didn't say you voted for Trump. Only US citizens can vote, so I don't expect non-Americans to have voted for, or against him.

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I don't think Franken would have agreed to resign if he were innocent of all the allegations against him. Or others not yet made.

Given that, his "Some of the allegations against me are simply not true. Others I remember very differently," Just. Doesn't. Add. Up.

That aside, he is spot on about Trumpty 'Grab-'em-by the-pXXXXY Dumpty."

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Only US citizens can vote, so I don't expect non-Americans to have voted for, or against him.

Didn't you hear? Three million illegals voted for Hillary....

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Meanwhile, the biggest sexual predator of them all, the president, is still in office, and his best buddy child molestor Moore, who now says slavery was the last time America was great, is running for more.

At least Franken has admitted some of the allegations and apologized, unlike Republicans caught doing the deed.

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PTTownsend: "I'm sure if her charges are true, it would outrage even his staunchest supporters. Am I right?"

No. These are the same people who have admitted that if Trump walked up to and shot someone on the street they would support it, and who say if Jesus "got down off the cross" and said Trump committed a crime they would ask Trump if it were true first before taking it as gospel.

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Trent Franks not only apologized, he resigned all by himself. Didn’t try to hold on for 3 weeks. Roy Moore after he wins can go to the exact same ethics Committee that Franken was sure would clear his behavior.

If you didn’t do it, you don’t admit it and apologize and quit. Thus Moore and Trump still there while Conyers, Franken and now Franks are gone.

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The people of Minnesota are overwhelming sad today, and many, many supported Al Franken staying in the Senate. He probably did do stupid things, that in another time were not even considered as problematic by men, and especially celebrities. Which is exactly what the problem is. Second, both men and women want to touch celebrities during photo opportunities, and many have to be told to be respectful-- yet most want to be shown hugging, arms around shoulders and waists, etc, as if they and the celebrity are BFFs. Both men and women do this. Franken cooperated with this, like many do-- I have personally seen many celebrities do this, and often. And, in Minnesota, I get hugged and brought close by others for pictures all the time, and I'm no celebrity-- but that is part of the culture of the upper midwest, where I am from in Saint Paul. With long lines waiting for pictures at the state fair or other events or in the days on tour with the USO or at SNL, Franken might have certainly wound up doing some less appropriate versions of pictures with some constituents or admirers over the years. And whether intentional or not, that was wrong. And the stupid picture from the plane, that was as sophomoric as anything many have done in their high school years or posted on their Facebook pages. That was wrong. And people called on him to resign because he stood for something. Many in Minnesota wanted him to go through the ethics review so that the country could clarify this important issue, respecting all people's dignity.

These activities by Franken are allegations, with the exception of the picture, which is surely one of the stupidest moments documented in his life. We need clarity on how to compare such things with intimidating women to do things in order to retain a job, to get ahead. We need clarity about how to compare this behavior with intentional, unwanted sexual molestation or assault against anyone simply because we think we are somehow entitled to it. The allegations brought against Franken suggest ill-considered actions at the least, but are not in the realm of what is alleged against Matt Lauer, locking doors and ordering a women to undress and have sex. Yet some with similar allegations made against them remain in their positions of power, where the scenario can potentially play out again.

Personally, I wanted him to stay in the senate, where he was a stellar senator for Minnesota. But at the same time, I support his resignation, as it represents someone in Congress actually standing by their position and trying best to serve the people that they represent, not just those who voted for them. This is the opinion of a Minnesotan. He will be truly missed.

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If you didn’t do it, you don’t admit it and apologize and quit. Thus Moore and Trump still there while Conyers, Franken and now Franks are gone.

Or Trump and Moore are lying, and that's what they want you to believe. That's just as plausible. Trump's track record with the truth and failure to own up to easily provable facts in the past doesn't do him any favors.

Trent Franks not only apologized, he resigned all by himself. Didn’t try to hold on for 3 weeks.

I just read about this and found it really strange that he resigned so quickly considering the relatively tame accusations. It's worth mentioning that once someone resigns, the ethics committee investigation is withdrawn. Maybe Franks is hiding more than those accusations...

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If you didn’t do it, you don’t admit it and apologize and quit.

If you're a republican, and you did do it, you don't admit it and apologize and quit.

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Prove they are lying, then they are. Otherwise it’s speculation.

For Franks, yeah he probably did something he doesn’t want people knowing about.

If it’s criminal there are criminal courts and if it’s civil he will be paying someone after civil court. But neither will be as an active Congressman, which is the point of it all. Resign and deal with what you have done as a private citizen without politics involved.

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who did it, what did they do and who hasn’t apologized and resigned? Are you referring to the people who said they didn’t do it so there is no reason for apology?

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Probably right after Liberals step up and demand that Congress censure former President Clinton for rape and various other sex abuses and former First Lady Clinton for slut shaming her husbands victims.

They should both resign immediately.

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I just read Franks was inappropriately discussing surrogacy issues with his female staff. Paul Ryan somehow heard about it and said he would have to go the the ethics committee so Franks quit. That’s how it should be, not holding on and making excuses.

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Prove they are lying, then they are. Otherwise it’s speculation.

Unfortunately, it's almost impossible to prove these sorts of acts. It really comes down to who you believe. The public has a right to form their opinion, hopefully based on relevant facts and circumstances, and the accused can choose how they respond, hopefully with honesty and integrity.

Based on what we know of their character and the surrounding circumstances, I speculate that Trump and Moore are guilty as sin, and I would say the same about a Democrat under identical circumstances.

That’s how it should be, not holding on and making excuses.

Are you saying Trump and Moore should quit? If not, I'm guessing you believe them? There's not much reason to...

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Prove they are lying, then they are. Otherwise it’s speculation.

Speculation supported by a helluva lot of evidence.

I just read Franks was inappropriately discussing surrogacy issues with his female staff. Paul Ryan somehow heard about it and said he would have to go the the ethics committee so Franks quit. That’s how it should be, not holding on and making excuses.

We've all heard about the allegations against Moore. Your logic dictates he should withdraw from the race. I'm guessing that crazy, corrupt conservatives will continue to make excuses for why Moore shouldn't bow out.

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Are you saying Trump and Moore should quit? If not, I'm guessing you believe them? There's not much reason to...

There is zero reason to believe them.

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..Franks inappropriately discussing surrogacy issues with his female staff..

Yeah, I was rather shocked about that when I read it this morning. What does that mean? Given his sudden resignation, my guess it was his way of coming on to them. The true details are likely very sordid.

Anyway, not a good day to be surnamed "Frank-" or for being frank; bot dissembled. Glad my son is only 22; I've told him to watch all of this very closely and conduct himself accordingly lest it come back to bite him in future. That probably wouldn't happen now, though, as victims would feel more emboldened to speak out immediately.

Men acting appropriately, women emboldened - that's the good that's come out of this.

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Trent Franks not only apologized, he resigned all by himself. Didn’t try to hold on for 3 weeks

Please, more alternative facts. What, the truth is not good enough?

Franks was confronted by the accusation by Ryan, and he saw no way out and quit before an investigation could be started. Franks actually asked women he worked with to be "surrogate" mothers for him and then attempted to punish them for refusing.

Meanwhile, Moore's hole grows deeper. He believes that American families were closer during the time of slavery. Well, maybe white Americans. In addition, he had choice names for American Indians and Asians. He said all this two months ago while standing at a church pulpit. MAGA??? Now we know what they meant, America was great 300 years ago during the time of slavery. Nice to finally know.

Frankin acted like a pig and was outed for groping. They should have left Minnesota "voters" decide. At the end of the day, another Democrat will be appointed to the seat. Even philanderer and founder of the modern nutty GoP Newt Gingrich was shocked that he was forced to resign.

Meanwhile, Trump and Moore tried to force-ably have sex with women, and in Moore's case committed sexual assault with a 14 year old. Defending these two is appalling.

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Personally, I wanted him to stay in the senate, where he was a stellar senator for Minnesota. But at the same time, I support his resignation, as it represents someone in Congress actually standing by their position and trying best to serve the people that they represent, not just those who voted for them. This is the opinion of a Minnesotan. He will be truly missed.

Wow, an honest opinion that is rational and not deranged. I'll miss him too.

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You are failing to understand that we looked at the totality of the allegations.

Looking at the totality of men that have been brought down by this movement thus far and compared to ninety percent this falls in the category of reinterpreting of past behavior once seen as innocuous and/or consensual. Certainly he has not been accused of anything illegal. Even if he were a serial groper, given the number of photos for which Franken has posed, one would expect the accusations to be in the double digits.

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Looking at the totality of men that have been brought down by this movement thus far and compared to ninety percent this falls in the category of reinterpreting of past behavior once seen as innocuous and/or consensual.

I agree. What Franken did shouldn't be put in the same category as what others have been accused of. But some people thought he was hurting the party, and he eventually caved to the pressure. I would've preferred he didn't, but I understand the reasoning. It's unfortunate but in the end, the decision was his to make.

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Looking at the totality of men that have been brought down by this movement thus far and compared to ninety percent this falls in the category of reinterpreting of past behavior once seen as innocuous and/or consensual. Certainly he has not been accused of anything illegal. Even if he were a serial groper, given the number of photos for which Franken has posed, one would expect the accusations to be in the double digits.

So, you're saying Franken is innocent?

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Meanwhile, Moore's hole grows deeper. He believes that American families were closer during the time of slavery. Well, maybe white Americans. In addition, he had choice names for American Indians and Asians. He said all this two months ago while standing at a church pulpit. MAGA??? Now we know what they meant, America was great 300 years ago during the time of slavery. Nice to finally know.

Frankin acted like a pig and was outed for groping. They should have left Minnesota "voters" decide. At the end of the day, another Democrat will be appointed to the seat. Even philanderer and founder of the modern nutty GoP Newt Gingrich was shocked that he was forced to resign.

Brilliant. Savage, logic-driven facts.

Meanwhile, Trump and Moore tried to force-ably have sex with women, and in Moore's case committed sexual assault with a 14 year old. Defending these two is appalling.

And repugnant. That said, it's also the go-to denial of crazy, corrupt conservatives. ROFL. Kuddos! Oh my!

What about Hilary? Where's Tony Podesta? That's why Dems have lost over 1,000 legislative seats. Mueller and his team of anti-Trump, pro-Hillary lawyers on a dud investigation. Trump gives the finger to the establishment. The democrats are being racist towards Conyers. The economy is rocking on. We need tax cuts for those that don't need it because the economy and middle class are being eroded. Consumer confidence is at an all time high. Joblessness is at an all time low. The circumstantial evidence is enough against Conyers. Let the voters of Alabama decide whether I can call out a child molester.

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NessieToday  02:21 pm JST

Probably right after Liberals step up and demand that Congress censure former President Clinton for rape and various other sex abuses and former First Lady Clinton for slut shaming her husbands victims.

They should both resign immediately.

Deal. President Clinton and President Clinton resign in exchange for President Trump and Senator-candidate Moore resigning. Totally fine with me.

PTownsendToday  09:09 am JST

Agreed. But that would require the voting public, people from across political spectrums, to put ethics before political affiliation. It's doubtful, however, the extremists at both ends of the spectrum would do that.

Sorry, but it's hard to stomach a "both sides do it" argument when the left version is about a guy who immediately owned up to his first accusations, apologized for them, earned the forgiveness of his accusers, and then resigned when further accusations surfaced, while the right version is about two guys who repeatedly defame their accusers, refuse to own up to any of their wrongdoing, and relentlessly cling to power. People from anywhere on the political spectrum can be abusers, sure, but only one side of the spectrum right now is forgiving abusers out of a naked quest for political power.

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CNN didnt get the talking points. They are saying that this has nothing to do with the inappropriate acts that Franken or Conyers did, its just a sacrifice to try to regain the moral high ground. One more chance to get Roy Moore before tomorrow's rally and the upcoming election. They thought they could get Moore without their people quitting but it didnt work, so try something else.

Thats really sad that everyone knows this is nothing about apology or contrition, just a way to score political points again.

http://edition.cnn.com/2017/12/08/politics/donald-trump-rally-democrats-lawmaker-purge/index.html

first test in Democrats' search for payoff from lawmaker purge

cleared the way for Democrats to argue that their party takes the #MeToo movement seriously, and to charge that the GOP offers a haven to alleged perpetrators.

The Democrats' strategy will go into overdrive

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by a helluva lot of evidence.

Such as? a yearbook and a scrapbook? and what else? (please for the love of God, dont start talking about someone being 'banned from the mall' again......)

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So, you're saying Franken is innocent?

What is he accused of ? I have no firsthand knowledge of these situations. But if the ethics committee does take up the Moore case there is going to be pressure to review these other Franken, Franks et al accusations also.

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On the yearbook inscription, the accuser wrote the part under the supposed signature herself. Why are they just now mentioning this?

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Moore has been accused of going after more young women than all transgender in all bathrooms combined.

Which one does the GOP want to ban? And who are they voting for?

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Just read that Moore’s primary accuser forged evidence against him. She isn’t doing the other accusers any favors.

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Meanwhile, Moore's hole grows deeper. He believes that American families were closer during the time of slavery. Well, maybe white Americans. In addition, he had choice names for American Indians and Asians. He said all this two months ago while standing at a church pulpit. MAGA??? Now we know what they meant, America was great 300 years ago during the time of slavery. Nice to finally know.

Well, it seems like one of Moore’s accusers fabricated the story about him signing her school year book. I wonder how many more bogus claims will come from this shocking revelation.

Sorry, but it's hard to stomach a "both sides do it" argument when the left version is about a guy who immediately owned up to his first accusations, apologized for them, earned the forgiveness of his accusers, and then resigned when further accusations surfaced,

What a bunch of garbage! There’s no way that Franken would have resigned if the Democrats were in power, there is actually no way they would have hunkered around him and protected him and never asked for him to step down as they’re doing right now.

This is all a political play and nothing more, the Democrats want to show that they are party that will expose anyone that is accused of sexual impropriety and they’re hoping that the Republicans don’t do the same in thereby maybe giving them the edge in the 2018 election in 2020 election, particularly with the women’s vote.

while the right version is about two guys who repeatedly defame their accusers, refuse to own up to any of their wrongdoing, and relentlessly cling to power.

As reports are coming in, with good reason because now it seems like some of their stores are falling apart and were made up all along. Don’t give me that garbage, the Democrats want to have power equally and as a matter fact in many places still hold power and don’t want to give it up as in what the FBI is doing right now with many of their rogue agent’s on a witch hunt.

People from anywhere on the political spectrum can be abusers, sure, but only one side of the spectrum right now is forgiving abusers out of a naked quest for political power.

I don’t see the Democrats trying Clinton under the bus yet, why is that? His accusers were mocked and ridiculed. You ok with that?

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There’s no way that Franken would have resigned if the Democrats were in power, there is actually no way they would have hunkered around him and protected him and never asked for him to step down as they’re doing right now.

Speculation from a Trump fan who would vote for a pedophile.

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Such as? a yearbook and a scrapbook? and what else? (please for the love of God, dont start talking about someone being 'banned from the mall' again......)

Okay. Since you personally disagree with the overwhelming evidence that Moore was banned from a mall, I won't mention it again.

The other evidence you are inquiring about had been repeatedly explained.

So you are arguing that when facts are in dispute there should be a presumption of innocence until an offense has been proven in court? I get it, the Bill Clinton defense.

No. I'm arguing something is not a fact until I am personally satisfied that it has been established. Get it? The crazy, corrupt conservative defense.

But until the Left comes to terms with the damage caused by defending Clinton your attacks on ‘fiddling Moore’ and ‘touchy Trump’ will not have the moral effect that you so earnestly hope they will.

I'm not going for a moral effect. I'm going for an evidence based effect, which seems to be beyond the grasp of crazy, corrupt conservatives.

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Well, it seems like one of Moore’s accusers fabricated the story about him signing her school year book.

Typical crazy, corrupt conservative tactic. Taking a fact - fabricated part of the message - and stretch it out to be what you want - fabricated the story of Moore signing her yearbook.

What a bunch of garbage! There’s no way that Franken would have resigned if the Democrats were in power, there is actually no way they would have hunkered around him and protected him and never asked for him to step down as they’re doing right now.

This is correct. If the Dems had been in power, they still would not have hunkered around him and protected him. Brilliant post.

This is all a political play and nothing more, the Democrats want to show that they are party that will expose anyone that is accused of sexual impropriety and they’re hoping that the Republicans don’t do the same in thereby maybe giving them the edge in the 2018 election in 2020 election, particularly with the women’s vote.

Dems do the decent thing and it's twisted into some plot to get the crazy, corrupt conservatives to also do the correct thing. Good thing the crazy, corrupt conservatives are incapable of being decent. It is hilarious how the Dems have now become the excuse for crazy, corrupt conservative not calling out the multiple predators within their movement.

Kudos! ROFL. Oh my. No wonder Dems have lost over 1,000 legislative seats. Obama lecturing us. Clinton not being on the roof of the embassy in Benghazi personally manning a SAW.

As reports are coming in, with good reason because now it seems like some of their stores are falling apart and were made up all along.

Another mischaracterization. The only entire story that was made up was the "victim" bought and paid for by that crazy, corrupt conservative group Project Veritas.

Don’t give me that garbage, the Democrats want to have power equally and as a matter fact in many places still hold power and don’t want to give it up as in what the FBI is doing right now with many of their rogue agent’s on a witch hunt.

We went from biased FBI agents to corrupt FBI agents. Corruption is lying about things under oath to hide that you received an unfair advantage. You know, like Kushner, Donald Jr., Sessions, et al. did. ROFL. Kudos! Etcetera.

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Well, it seems like one of Moore’s accusers fabricated the story about him signing her school year book.

Nope. Wrong.

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So you can write part of something yourself, a date and a location, in order to help your narrative that’s fine?

Heard Franken might not Quit. Was very odd to me how he said “in a few weeks” and that he did nothing wrong “as a Senator”.

That might be his way to equate himself to Moore that anything you do prior to being a senator doesn’t count. Have to keep an eye on this as he obviously thinks he did nothing wrong because didn’t apologize in his speech just attacked others and complained.

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So you can write part of something yourself, a date and a location, in order to help your narrative that’s fine?

Nobosy said that. We were refuting a mischaracterization. Nice attempt at mischaracterization.

Have to keep an eye on this as he obviously thinks he did nothing wrong because didn’t apologize in his speech just attacked others and complained.

This is not a logical inference from his failure to apologize in the speech. His numerous apologies before the speech evidence his contrition.

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Franken stated that the allegations are untrue. Google his speech and watch it again. If he said they were not telling the truth then he was calling them liars. 

Could you source that claim? He said “Some of the allegations against me are simply not true. Others I remember differently." This is not the same as calling someone a liar.

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One is quitting because he offered $3 million to his aid if she can produce his baby. More stories are coming. out. Seems female aides know. how to copy conversations.

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Frankenn said that he will resign in next few weeks. he is denying some.

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Moore's cases only someone almost raped are used. The police instruction of. "When Judge Moore showed, don't let him go near cheerleaders,' can't be used.

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So you can write part of something yourself, a date and a location, in order to help your narrative that’s fine?

Um that's some pretty messed up 'logic' that brought you from my statement to that conclusion.

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Well when your comment is “nope”, you don’t give me much to work with.

You and the other guy should “characterize” your position so people can know what you ARE saying if you aren’t saying it’s ok to write part of an inscription yourself and never mention that until weeks later.

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Also still to be discussed is why Roy Moore’s signature has his assistant’s initials after it. Just like on the accuser’s divorce certificate. Was this also “annotated”?

Anyway I’m starting to suspect Franken will withdraw his resignation after the election. Will say if Moore can be there so can he. Even CNN said this is just a last minute strategy to try to get Moore and Trump politically.

No non liberals are buying this plus Jones sent out a racist campaign ad so it’s done for him.

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You and the other guy should “characterize” your position so people can know what you ARE saying if you aren’t saying it’s ok to write part of an inscription yourself and never mention that until weeks later.

Hey, we're just following the lead of crazy, corrupt conservatives.

Anyway I’m starting to suspect Franken will withdraw his resignation after the election. Will say if Moore can be there so can he. Even CNN said this is just a last minute strategy to try to get Moore and Trump politically. 

No non liberals are buying this plus Jones sent out a racist campaign ad so it’s done for him.

It's hilarious to watch crazy, corrupt conservatives try to twist a democrat acting in a correct manner into some nefarious plot to "get" Moore and Trump. Given this is the second such poster, it's safe to say that it's a talking point Fox News has recently rolled out.

Even funnier is reading a crazy, corrupt conservative cite CNN.

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Uh-oh. What's this? Another accusation against Trump:

https://www.yahoo.com/news/ex-fox-news-anchor-juliet-015615994.html

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Oh CNN? the ones who made up all the false Wikipedia/Trump Jr collusion stuff that was leaked from their Dem buddies in Congress who they are now protecting. Thats ok we know who the leakers are now from that.

The CNN who published all that nonsense without even seeing the email and realizing that the date was wrong? those guys? they are a joke.

Hey, we're just following the lead of crazy, corrupt conservatives.

No, I state my position and defend it. You dont, you just try to tell me that Im wrong. so what is your actual POSITION on the fact that the accuser wrote part of the inscription and didnt tell anyone until 3 weeks later? What is your POSITION on the fact that the initials D.A. are on there too, and that is how Moore's signature appears on her divorce certificate? as this accusation depends solely on the credibility of the witness as there is no other evidence, do you still believe her?

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Uh-oh. What's this? Another accusation against Trump:

https://www.yahoo.com/news/ex-fox-news-anchor-juliet-015615994.html

Oh my god, start the impeachment today! he kissed a woman on the lips 11 or 12 years ago in the presence of his security guy. A woman who didnt mind then and doesnt mind now. So inconsequential she doesnt even remember what YEAR it happened.

Her comments:

Re: @PageSix story: Yes, it's true. And though I'm offended by his comments on 'other matters' - as I said on @77WABCradio& @BillSchulz's show yesterday - I was neither threatened nor offended in elevator. End of story. Now, plz let me get back to @TheCrownNetflix.

10:23 AM - Dec 9, 2017

So there you go.

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The CNN who published all that nonsense without even seeing the email and realizing that the date was wrong? those guys? they are a joke.

Yes, the CNN you cited less than three hours ago. Never fear, another news outlet will have this story before long. Of course, crazy, corrupt conservatives will double down on Trump not being a predator because they are incapable of intellectual honesty.

 as this accusation depends solely on the credibility of the witness as there is no other evidence, do you still believe her?

Her credibility took a hit for sure. Tampering with evidence is a no-no. That said, her allegations are still credible given that they are similar with the other allegations, that Moore had a reputation in his community for kiddie fiddling, Moore was banned from a mall, law enforcement was directed to keep him away from cheerleaders, etc.

Moore's credibility took a huge ding when he recently denied knowing any of his accusers despite having acknowledged knowing them less than a month before the denial.

Crazy, corrupt conservatives just do not understand that events don't happen in a vacuum, which means you have to look at the totality of the circumstances to make any sort of educated, informed conclusion.

Kuddos! ROFL.

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A woman who didnt mind then and doesnt mind now

Whether the women minded then or now matters not. What matters is whether Trump had expressed or implied consent.

So there you go.

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no, that wasn’t how it worked a decade ago, that’s a recent social justice warrior created thing. Regardless there is no “accuser” in this case, so doesn’t matter either way.

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Yep I’m sure. if there were evidence it would have been included in one of the multiple charges brought. It wasn’t.

Incorrect. It has never been the situation that a person did not need implied or expressed consent to physically touch another.

I do love the crazy, corrupt conservative bashing of people that value justice of any kind. After all, why should everyone be treated equally?

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Of course, crazy, corrupt conservatives will double down on Trump not being a predator because they are incapable of intellectual honesty.

Unless it’s factually proven, he’s not. We still live in a country where we go by the presumption of innocence until proven guilty.

Her credibility took a hit for sure. Tampering with evidence is a no-no. That said, her allegations are still credible given that they are similar with the other allegations, that Moore had a reputation in his community for kiddie fiddling, Moore was banned from a mall, law enforcement was directed to keep him away from cheerleaders, etc.

https://www.snopes.com/2017/11/17/roy-moore-banned-mall-harassing-teen-girls/

Seems like there was a flaw in that story as well. So it looks like he probably wasn’t sure in the mall after all. Seems like the left are making some of these allegations worse then they seem. Smh.

Moore's credibility took a huge ding when he recently denied knowing any of his accusers despite having acknowledged knowing them less than a month before the denial.

But not in the polls, seems they’re tied, probably Moore will win.

Crazy, corrupt conservatives just do not understand that events don't happen in a vacuum, which means you have to look at the totality of the circumstances to make any sort of educated, informed conclusion.

Seems like they’re doing that and most know they have to decide on an alleged sexual predator or a man that wants open borders and is for late term abortion and from the shape of the polling, they would prefer to stick it out with Moore.

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Unless it’s factually proven, he’s not. We still live in a country where we go by the presumption of innocence until proven guilty.

Agreed. The real issue is crazy, corrupt conservatives not even entertaining the idea that Trump is a predator despite all the evidence. We have 16 women with similar stories and Trump on tape admitting to it. However, that still isn't enough for Crazy, corrupt conservatives.

If that weren't enough, we have crazy, corrupt conservatives creating conspiracy theories about why Franken is going to resign. Franken is doing the correct thing, which is exactly what crazy, corrupt conservatives wanted before Franken announced his intention. Yet, now that Franken announced his intention, those very same crazy, corrupt conservatives claim it's a ploy by democrats to get Moore and Trump to own up to their many transgressions.

Seems like there was a flaw in that story as well. So it looks like he probably wasn’t sure in the mall after all. Seems like the left are making some of these allegations worse then they seem. Smh.

ROFL. That article supports the claim that Moore was banned from the mall. It details Moore's reputation in the community for having been banned and chasing children. It also has a former employee recalling the ban.

Crazy, corrupt conservatives are not good at examining all the evidence and identifying the consistency. Instead, they think everything occurs in a vacuum with no connection to other occurrences. Very sophisticated. ROFL. KUDDOS. No wonder Dems have lost over 1,000 legislative seats. Mueller wasn't corrupt before, but suddenly is now. Clinton should have been in the embassy roof in Benghazi squeezing the trigger herself.

Oh, look. An attempt at obfuscation through spreading falsehoods:

Seems like they’re doing that and most know they have to decide on an alleged sexual predator or a man that wants open borders and is for late term abortion and from the shape of the polling, they would prefer to stick it out with Moore.

Repeating something doesn't make it true. Jones is not for late term abortion or open borders. Since we know Jones thinks late term abortion is acceptable when the mother's health is in jeopardy, we can logically infer the above poster doesn't care about women because he is opposed to Jones' stance.

I though crazy, corrupt conservatives didn't trust polls.

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Nessie: Could you source that claim? He said “Some of the allegations against me are simply not true. Others I remember differently." This is not the same as calling someone a liar.

The source is Franken’s Senate floor speech. He took back his previous apologies by equivocating and saying the allegations are untrue and he remembers them differently. His attitude is defiant and focused more on attacking his political enemies rather than his own misdeeds. This is straight out of Bill & Hillary Clinton’s strategy to deflect their misdeeds onto others. It worked for the Clinton’s for two decades.

It is no coincidence that Dems are just now coming out hard against their own sex abusers. As long as Hillary was a viable presidential candidate, her supporters could not push the zero tolerance policy they insist Republicans follow now. If Hillary had won last year, Franken would not have been pushed out - just as Clinton’s say about Bills abuses, he says he is innocent.

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Agreed. The real issue is crazy, corrupt conservatives not even entertaining the idea that Trump is a predator despite all the evidence.

There are many conservatives (not to be confused with Republicans) that do not support Trump. He could be a serial abuser but we have yet to see due process. Innocent until proven guilty is what Dems demanded in the past for their presidential cad. Now it’s lynch now, ask questions later.

Support for these unsavory characters today isn’t occurring in a vacuum. Dems cannot claim purity after all these years defending an accused rapist making the argument that sexual abuse was just about sex. Dems pocketed the advantages of protecting Bill (and by extension Hillary) for 20 years when it served their purposes. Now that it works against them they are demanding puritanical purity on the issue. Are Republicans just supposed to forget about the Dems defense of Bill as recently as last year? Human nature being what it is, it’s not going to happen. Dems should admit that they are a big reason for how bad things are now because they spent two decades defending the #1 sex abuser in America. Sexism the workplace was made okay by their example. Oral sex was deemed to not even be considered a sex act. Female journalists were offering themselves up to Bill for sex because they supported his politics. All that just does not vanish because of a tweeter hashtag.

We have 16 women with similar stories and Trump on tape admitting to it. However, that still isn't enough for Crazy, corrupt conservatives.

And when Dems supported a man with similar - and worse - accusations against him even feminists came to his aid. So crazy and corrupt Republicans are bad - but when they are Dems they are good? Trump and Moore’s opponents set the standard for political behavior and are upset that they won! The level of hypocrisy is extreme even better political standards.

As for the claim that Trump was ‘admitting it’. Well what he said was that women let him do it. He stated that they consented - not that he assaulted them. As bad as it is, there are a lot of women that volunteer themselves for this. It’s disgusting but true. Read stories about rock band and athlete groupies. There is more to the culture of sexual abuse by men in positions of power. There are also women that seek out these men to exploit them as well. Remember Kobe Bryant being charged with rape? This issue is not as simple as the Left’s new found Puritanism suggests.

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He could be a serial abuser but we have yet to see due process.

So are you defending Weinstein right now? He hasn't admitted anything, nor been pronounced guilty. Yet he's a rapist. Quick defend him against my comment.

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Franken is resigning?

Who says the news is all bad.

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