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George Floyd's brother tells U.S. Congress his brother's death was lynching

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Philonise Floyd said Chauvin knew his brother and killed him with premeditation "just because he didn't like him," adding that "it has to have something to do with racism."

This is an interesting comment and might change the present narrative.

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Spot On!

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Wouldn't surprise me if in many places in the US, public lynchings would still be taking place if certain people thought they could get away with it....

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Philonise Floyd said Chauvin knew his brother and killed him with premeditation "just because he didn't like him," adding that "it has to have something to do with racism."

If America is ever to have a non-racist society, it needs to stop looking at blacks as perpetual victims; and that means that if blacks are truly considered equals, then interactions of whites and blacks, both positive and negative, cannot by default be considered to be about race. I think those who are the most vocal about racism need to look within and considered whether or not they're perpetuating racism by always looking at interactions between people of different races through a racial lens. It is possible that Chauvin killed Floyd, not because of his race, but because he knew him previously and just didn't like him. I know it's hard for some people to grasp, but a white person can dislike a black person without it being about race, and vice versa. I know, I know, pick your jaw up from the ground.

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Resist, Fight, Litigate for the final legal liberation

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If anyone is interested in donating to one of three charities/support groups for the BLM movement, "The Daily Show" has a portal here:

http://www.cc.com/shows/the-daily-show-with-trevor-noah/donate

(The "LDF", unfortunately, doesn't accept non-US addresses and their phone number didn't seen to work either, but the other seemed fine to donate to from Japan).

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Wouldn't surprise me if in many places in the US, public lynchings would still be taking place if certain people thought they could get away with it....

Oh, so you mean in a country that's structurally and systematically racist from top to bottom actually looks down upon and has laws against that sort of thing?Ummm...interesting.

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I agree with him!

I will always say his name for justice, George Floyd.

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It would be hard to get away with it if they do it in public.

Anyway, if Floyd's death is indeed premeditated then the policeman who did it wouldn't have done it to any other man.

Unless he planned to kill everyone he meets that day.

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He said his brother was lynched and he was right.

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George Floyd's brother tells U.S. Congress his brother's death was lynching

Well that was inflammatory. He was murdered - not lynched.

Wouldn't surprise me if in many places in the US, public lynchings would still be taking place if certain people thought they could get away with it....

One third of all people lynched were white. I think in Minneapolis if they could get away with lynching a few white police officers they would be doing it.

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Could be a lot more trouble if they failed to convict the policeman with what they've charged him.

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This is an interesting comment and might change the present narrative.

How many white racists do you know that are married to a woman of a different races as he is?

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Well, as sad and tragic as it all is, change is a good start, better training reform and both sides need to come together, what we don’t need is to defund the police, that would be a social tragedy.

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Mr .Noidall: If America is ever to have a non-racist society, it needs to stop looking at blacks as perpetual victims

Especially when white cops murder black people.

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Especially when white cops murder black people

But since the majority are killed more by black cops does that amount to racism as well?

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Doesn't matter what race of the one who did the killing, if it was done because of race then it's racism.

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This whole issue is a circus. During this pandemic they parade his corpse around like a show? What a joke.

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Especially when white cops murder black people.

What about when cops kill people of other races? Are you saying everytime a white cop kills a black person it's undoubtedly a case of racism?

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Doesn't matter what race of the one who did the killing, if it was done because of race then it's racism.

All forms of racism should be repudiated in the strongest terms.

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It’s sad and all but where was Philonise Floyd when his brother was buying and taking drugs that day?

Where was Philonise when his brother George was at the store using counterfeit money?

Where ‘were’ all the funeral mourners before, on that day?

The people in the car along with George had knowledge that George as a convicted felon could be in serious trouble committing a crime again-where were they?

Maybe George Floyd deserved more from people who actually knew him?

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bass: All forms of racism should be repudiated in the strongest terms.

So do ya still think Trump wasn't racist for refusing to rent to black people based only of the color of their skin?

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this was not a "lynching". Why use such a racially tinged word?

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Sorry, I missed Terrence (another brother) and George’s previous girlfriend too.

Now that a GoFundMe page has earned over a million dollars, we can expect many more tributes to George.

To have more value in death than in life is something tragic...

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George Floyd's younger brother took his grief to the U.S. Congress on Wednesday with an impassioned plea that lawmakers not let his brother's death be in vain, lamenting that he "didn't deserve to die over $20" in a what he called a lynching.

Neither did countless of others, mugged, robbed, raped, and murdered for pocket change, or less.

Or cops murdered in the line of duty.

You'd think in this world, that this was the first injustice, ever to happen, to anyone, at anytime!

Look at the headlines, every day!

Parents killing kids, kids killing parents, old people shot while visiting the grave of their son, girl murdered while jogging, someone bombs a marathon...

Viruses killing and limiting our freedom and human rights and behaviors.

Neighbors turned against neighbors as snitches.

I've left race out of this, *because it happens *to everyone.

This was filmed, and posted on social media,

no context, no details, just horror, tack on "r" word, and an already on-edge

population explodes, creating more violence

and all the usual suspects say yeeeeees, let it beeee...

People are manipulated by the one who knows the proper buttons to push.

Please to meet you, hope you guess my name...

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There is money and political influence in this story. I dont expect it to be over any time soon, at least until after the election.

All the other lives lost in the aftermath in the riots and the looting, already forgotten by the media.

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this was not a "lynching".

Because it was a lynching: https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/lynch

"If a crowd of people lynch someone who they believe is guilty of a crime, they kill them without a legal trial, usually by hanging (= killing using a rope round the neck)."

Why use such a racially tinged word?

Oh, I don't know; because it was such a racially tinged crime?

To have more value in death than in life is something tragic

No one said that until you did. Says more about you than anything. Tragic.

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More details are coming out that it was a personal feud between Floyd and Chauvin.

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@i@n: Could be a lot more trouble if they failed to convict the policeman with what they've charged him.

I will be upset if this guy is not convicted of murder. It's an open and shut case. He still gets a defense of course but it's on video - there isn't much room for re-interpretation. I doubt they have the death penalty in Minnesota but this is the type of thing it is for.

Oh, I don't know; because it was such a racially tinged crime?

How do you know it was motivated by race - just because the offender and the victim are of different races? There has to be evidence that it was motivated by race. The only thing tinged with race at this point is the reaction. His motivations will come out in the trial. To my mind it doesn't really matter why he killed him - the end result is the same. I also think the punishment should be the same regardless of motivation. The crime is the crime - in this case it's enough for the death penalty whether he is a closet skinhead or Barack Obama's half-brother.

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There is money and political influence in this story. I dont expect it to be over any time soon, at least until after the election.

If that’s the case, the people will see five more months of trump being unable to unite the people.

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blue in green Today  09:36 am JST

The devil?

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what we don’t need is to defund the police, that would be a social tragedy.

Letting the US and her institutions continue in the same fashion, as they have done, without total change, would be the tragedy.

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How this man is still standing....still speaking....is beyond me. The amount of stress that any of us is under cannot be compared to his at this time. The weight of grief, anger, and enormous responsibility he is bearing with such grace. It is humbling. My heart goes out to him and his family. May this country find its way to real justice. Only then will George, Breonna, Ahmaud, Tamir, Trayvon and so many others finally rest in peace.

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My question to Mr. Noidall 31/05

You don't know what antifa is, do you?

His reply 12:07 pm JST

Something Mussolini would be real proud of. Let's hope antifa meets the same fate as him.

This, after I've identified as antifa on that very thread and many times since I joined here.

I've been suspended twice for asking why he was allowed continue post, despite being in clear violation of rule 8 of moderation policy.

8. Harassment, threats, stalking:

Harassment, threats of violence, or stalking of members in posts on the discussion board will result in an immediate termination of your account.

Mr Noidall also made bigotted comments towards my perceived ethnicity the other day.

They could be interpreted as going against rule 5

5. Racial slurs:

We do not allow racial slurs. They will be edited from posts or the post could be deleted. A permanent ban will be considered for repeat offenders.

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Wishing other posters dead because you don't understand their politics is pretty unhinged.

lol You are reaching like the top shelf. He was talking about Floyd abd Chauvin and you translated that as him wanting people here dead?

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which is the intent of this all. politicized narrative. its why none of the other black lives that were lost got any attention and seem not to matter.

If that’s the case, the people will see five more months of trump being unable to unite the people.

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which is the intent of this all

Well that's just silly right-wing rhetoric. The real-world that the rest of us live in isn't that extreme.

But, the in the real-world the rest of us live in, the right is willing to go pretty much anywhere to win. So I certainly hope the Democrats politicize every last thing they can. They won't be able to beat the Republicans if they don't play dirty like the Republicans.

Michelle was a great person. But the days of "they go low, we go high" mean losing. Can't be doing that anymore.

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Why use such a racially tinged word?

Accuracy.

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But no one was lynched. So its inaccurate. the dictionary is your friend,

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Recent events, Covid-19, police brutality, protests, riots, looting, pulling troops out of Germany which shares a border with Russia, official recession, are all going to haunt him all the way to the ballots boxes.

Pity here isn't a better democrat candidate.

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Doesn't matter what race of the one who did the killing, if it was done because of race then it's racism.

I haven't seen any evidence that Floyd's death was racially motivated, except that Chauvin is white (the other 3 cops aren't) and Floyd is black.

Anyway, more and more I am seeing all this circus of people throwing gasoline on the flames as just one more weak attempt at decreasing Trump's chances at re-election.

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But no one was lynched. So its inaccurate. the dictionary is your friend,

The alt right have their own glossary of terms they use to communicate with each other in ways the mutually intellectually vulnerable can understand. Understanding tropes and how humans communicate might help those who can only view existence from one pole or its opposite communicate with others beyond just those who are intellectually vulnerable.

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Death for a counterfeit $20 bill. Suspected.

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The comments about Chauvin and Floyd having some prior beef are just speculatory based on them both having part time security gigs at the same Latin nightclub. Chauvin had much more work history at the place though, and even the club manager told the media Chauvin often became too aggressive with black customers.

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. It is possible that Chauvin killed Floyd, not because of his race, but because he knew him previously and just didn't like him. 

It’s conjecture and only what somebody said. Someone else can also said Chauvin didn’t like Floyd because he was black.

What you have is overuse of force and hopefully this will lead to Police reforms.

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But no one was lynched. So its inaccurate. the dictionary is your friend,

lyncy verb (used with object)

to put to death, especially by hanging, by mob action and without legal authority.

Put to death: check

Mob action (four people killed him): check

Without legal authority: check

Looks like lynching to me. What makes you think it doesn't fit this definition?

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Anyway, more and more I am seeing all this circus of people throwing gasoline on the flames as just one more weak attempt at decreasing Trump's chances at re-election.

Not really. People are fighting for what they see as human rights.

This has exposed Trump's failure as a leader to have created enough respect in him as a leader to be able to unify the people. And every day shows he's floundering in a pool of incompetence on the matter.

No one needs throw any gasoline on the fire. It's burning, and he doesn't have a hose.

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The hanging part. Which you conveniently sidestepped.

Looks like lynching to me. What makes you think it doesn't fit this definition?

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The hanging part. Which you conveniently sidestepped.

lol A lynching is necessarily a hanging. Is that really what you're upset about, that they didn't use a rope?

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Paul Laimal-ConvoyToday 07:30 am JST

If anyone is interested in donating to one of three charities/support groups for the BLM movement, "The Daily Show" has a portal here:

> http://www.cc.com/shows/the-daily-show-with-trevor-noah/donate

(The "LDF", unfortunately, doesn't accept non-US addresses and their phone number didn't seen to work either, but the other seemed fine to donate to from Japan).

why ask people to donate to BLM movement ?

they don't get enought money from mr.Soros ???

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The hanging part. Which you conveniently sidestepped.

Did you miss the word "especially"? Did you not look it up in a dictionary? Because this means that it can be other forms as well, but especially hanging. Hanging is not a requirement for lynching by the very dictionary definition. And since it fits the rest of the description of the word - the parts that aren't indicated as being optional through the usage of the word especially - it's clearly lynching.

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Which you conveniently sidestepped.

"Especially", "a: in particular: food seems cheaper, especially meats", which you conveniently sidestepped.

The dictionary is your friend. Or, given the level of comprehension and critical thinking you display on this website, perhaps it isn't.

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What do you think - does he really not know the meaning of the word 'especially'? Or was he just being disingenuous and tried to muddy the conversation because he didn't like it that this killing actually does fit the definition of the word?

I think either is equally plausible.

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Looks like lynching to me. What makes you think it doesn't fit this definition?

Be real. Everyone knows history- they know what happens when a lynch mob goes after someone. It means hanging. That’s why Jesse Smollet put the noose around his neck when he lied about Trump supporters attacking him during a blizzard in the middle of the night in Chicago. The word carries a historical significance. Poor George Floyd was choked to death but that isn’t the same thing. Oh yeah, and who was it that lynched black citizens? Yeah, it was Democrats. The same Democrats that populated the klan and who wrote Jim Crow laws beginning in the decades after the civil war.

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Heh I notice avoided answering the question:

Looks like lynching to me. What makes you think it doesn't fit this definition?

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I look at it more as a facade to expose the silliness of blaming the problems on Antifa, membership of which is defined by one claiming they are Antifa, and nothing else.

This is exposed by the fact that even though Trump has blamed all the rioting on Antifa, not a single Antifa member has been arrested.

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you don't know what antifa is, do you?

Trump is such a joke that ANTIFA is not listed in the Trump WH website as an official terror organization. I think this is because he will have to ask for ANTIFA's vote since he's trying to lock in BLM votes. Notice Trump and his people are no longer calling BLM terrorists? (soon) the same with ANTIFA members. What a Trump flip flop.

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Mr .Noidall: If America is ever to have a non-racist society, it needs to stop looking at blacks as perpetual victims

I agree and would add that the blacks need to stop viewing themselves as victims of society and learn to discipline themselves and be accountable for their actions and solve their own problems. They've had 60+ years to do so and have done nothing to improve their reputation as a whole. Instead they continue to believe that they should have the right to do whatever they want to do.....even if it is contrary to the rules of laws.

So long as blacks leave the disciplining to other people, they will always be victims of society.

And when they "hero-ize" and praise a person with a known criminal history as a "role model", they'll never really gain respect in society.

Look at the Asian people and communities. (Last I heard, Asians are considered a "minority")

The Asian, as individuals and as a group, don't have a problem with the "white man's laws and police." They have a solid reputation as respecting law and order and obeying the law and living within the boundries of the laws. The statistics of crimes committed in the U.S. among Asians are very, very low if practically non-existence. Most Asian communities understand that what every Asian does is a reflection upon all Asians. So they discipline and correct the law violator's behavior.

As a result, Asians do well in all areas of society and are well respected.

Why can't blacks be the same, recognize that what they do is a reflection upon all blacks, live within the boundries of the law and discipline themselves when they violate the laws instead of relying on somewhat else to solve their problems for them?

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So do ya still think Trump wasn't racist for refusing to rent to black people based only of the color of their skin?

No, I don’t based on the sit and circumstances at the time.

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Letting the US and her institutions continue in the same fashion, as they have done, without total change, would be the tragedy.

Oh, yeah, have you seen what’s taking place up in Washington State? Total anarchy. These radicals have totally taken over the city even charging a toll and the police have completely submitted to these thugs. That’s the tragedy that liberals want to continue seeing? Taking over the city, barricading themselves in! Lawlessness running amok?

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 The same Democrats that populated the klan

Republicans and Democrats flipped. Proof is that the Republicans invented Obamacare. Also more proof is the klan vote Trump. They didn't vote Hillary. This is established history.

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Why can't blacks be the same, recognize that what they do is a reflection upon all blacks, live within the boundries of the law and discipline themselves when they violate the laws instead of relying on somewhat else to solve their problems for them?

How come Trump is not making this same point? He also no longer calls BLM terrorists. Trump is a weak flip flopper. Trump should say it's 100% blacks' fault.

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Oh, yeah, have you seen what’s taking place up in Washington State? Total anarchy. These radicals have totally taken over the city even charging a toll and the police have completely submitted to these thugs. That’s the tragedy that liberals want to continue seeing? Taking over the city, barricading themselves in! Lawlessness running amok?

You're conflating protestors, exercising their constitutional right to protest a tyrannical government, and rioters and looters; the opportunists who use protest as a cover to steal and promote agendas.

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Oh, yeah, have you seen what’s taking place up in Washington State? Total anarchy. These radicals have totally taken over the city 

Three weeks ago, you were claiming that armed right-wingers invading state capitols to demand that we "sacrifice the weak" (a real GOP sign) was good. Now that unarmed people are peacefully occupying buildings to put an end to racism, it's bad?

Why do you think killing the "weak" to get a haircut is preferable to peacefully ending police brutality?

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"If a crowd of people lynch someone who they believe is guilty of a crime, they kill them without a legal trial, usually by hanging (= killing using a rope round the neck).

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Seems like that’s what BLM, Antifa and the other radical groups are doing now, making the country submit to their will, that is textbook racism.

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Three weeks ago, you were claiming that armed right-wingers invading state capitols to demand that we "sacrifice the weak" (a real GOP sign) was good.

I’m sorry, but did they shut down the city for days, overrun a police station, attacked people, shot people? If they did so in mass numbers I’ll bite my tongue.

Now that unarmed people are peacefully occupying buildings to put an end to racism, it's bad?

Well, there goes your foolish argument, anyway....

https://q13fox.com/2020/05/30/protests-in-wake-of-george-floyd-death-continue-saturday-in-downtown-seattle/

Why do you think killing the "weak" to get a haircut is preferable to peacefully ending police brutality?

Why would liberals block people from taking care of their families and working?

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You're conflating protestors, exercising their constitutional right to protest a tyrannical government, and rioters and looters;

Washington seems to be a salad bowl with all these thugs.

the opportunists who use protest as a cover to steal and promote agendas.

In Orange County over the weekend they had a beautiful and peaceful protest, I get it and support it, but that’s not what is happening in Washington State.

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I’m sorry, but did they shut down the city for days, overrun a police station, attacked people, shot people? If they did so in mass numbers I’ll bite my tongue.

They overran the capitol buildings, a place of elected representatives, armed and in a threatening fashion that many of the representatives put on bullet proof vests.

The right to assemble and protest is a given but arms should be banned from capitol just like the NRA does at its conferences.

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Another thing people failed to notice that the L.A. riots in 1992 were the last time people protested because of the verdict. All of the other protests since, people raised hell right after the incident. After securing free stuff/photo ops and living life like a video game in burning stuff down, the officers all get acquitted and all you hear is crickets. Families get their million dollar settlement and everyone is back to their lives.

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Washington seems to be a salad bowl with all these thugs.

Yeah it’s unfortunate. It’s inevitable that thugs use the cover of constitutionally protected protestors to their own nefarious needs. I guess we could say “I told you so” about telling Kaepernick to stop making white people think about something uncomfortable.

I told you so.

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They overran the capitol buildings

Did they spray graffiti or made caused millions of property damage?

, a place of elected representatives, armed and in a threatening fashion that many of the representatives put on bullet proof vests.

Ok, but how many people were killed or injured, violently and brutally attacked? How many cops were injured?

The right to assemble and protest is a given but arms should be banned from capitol just like the NRA does at its conferences.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, so once again, take from the top Zichi....focus please...how many were injured or attacked?

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Yeah, yeah, yeah, so once again, take from the top Zichi....focus please...how many were injured or attacked?

By the protestors? None, that wasn't their agenda.

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How come Trump is not making this same point? He also no longer calls BLM terrorists. Trump is a weak flip flopper. Trump should say it's 100% blacks' fault.

It is. A long time ago Bill Cosby (who himself is black, in case you didn't know) once commented that much of the black's problems in society IS their fault. If blacks, as a group, are ever going to gain respect, they have to educate themselves, learn to discipline themselves, correct their own behavior and obey the law.

Many black community leaders condemned his statements and some even called him an "Uncle Tom".

And if Trump made this point, he would be denounced as a "racist" anyways.

So for the past 60+ years, the liberals maintain that people like Floyd, are not responsible for his actions --- (despite having a criminal record of assault, robbery, drug abuse, theft with a gun, etc) because of their disadvantaged and poverty background. So they are never held accountable for their actions and never learn the difference between right and wrong. In the meantime, black activists like Malcolm X teaches them that the problem is due to the "the white man's laws and that the white man's laws are racist and oppressive. They shouldn't obey racist and oppressive laws."

So any attempt to restrain them from breaking the law is, in their eyes, "lynching". As long as the black community holds these views, they will never solve their social problems.

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But the main point was, there wasn’t any violence, period.

The rioters, looters and anarchists in these blues states have a complete different agenda and that’s not peace.

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The rioters, looters and anarchists in these blues states have a complete different agenda and that’s not peace.

Yeah, it's unfortunate that these agitators divert attention from the peaceful protestors who are exercising their constitutional right to protest a tyrannical government.

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Yeah, it's unfortunate that these agitators divert attention from the peaceful protestors who are exercising their constitutional right to protest a tyrannical government.

Tyrannical hoodlums more like it, I hope Washington and California allow these fools to have their way, give them what they want, helps Trump’s numbers and helps him secure his nomination, liberals allow these people to do as they please and for God’s sake, defund the police and the prison system.

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The world Lynching was used as a : Conceptual explanation. We all know he meant it as so. Use your brains!

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Tyrannical hoodlums more like it

Yeah, they're thugs alright.

I hope Washington and California allow these fools to have their way, give them what they want

I'm not sure why anyone would give looters and rioters what they want, but I guess that's the Republican way of thinking; indecipherable.

It's unfortunate for the legal protestors who are exercising their constitutional right to protest a tyrannical government. The looters and rioters are a distraction.

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