May fights for control as lawmakers aim to seize Brexit process

The British people voted Leave.

And those that voted Leave would absolutely support No Deal Brexit. The polls are clear.

It is the PM and Parliament who have absolutely NO desire to deliver what those that voted for Leave want!

A complete betrayal of democracy.

"Why would the prime minister ever expect us to give support to an agreement which is based on a lie?" DUP Brexit spokesman Sammy Wilson told BBC television.

Ach well, Sammy. You'd know all about falsehoods, sure isn't the whole basis of your party to deny truths and deny rights to sections of the community?

The people of the occupied 6 counties voted to stay. The DUP is holding them to ransom by betraying democracy in NI.

Tiocfaidh ar la.

Power to the people! Second referendum and Jeremy for boss.

Power to the people! Second referendum and Jeremy for boss.

I think a second referendum is pointless, at this stage, and would only cause more division.

As for JC, sure, he'd be a breath of fresh air but the centrist Blairites want rid of, so it's dubious if he'll make the cut.

Oh, and Mary Lou for An Taoiseach!

zones2surf is quite right. Latest polling shows that a WTO exit is the most popular option. In addition, when taking into account all various options, leaving the EU stands at 50% and stopping Brexit stands at 35%.

Just over a third of adults (35%) support abandoning Brexit and staying in the EU.

https://www.comresglobal.com/polls/daily-express-brexit-poll-march-2019/

The most interesting part of the poll:

Among 2016 Remain voters, 67% would support abandoning Brexit but 33% would not, including 8% who are undecided.

So at least a third of remainers don't want to reverse Brexit.

And another poll by ComRes:

https://www.comresglobal.com/polls/leave-means-leave-brexit-poll-march-2019/

Over four in ten British adults agree that the Government seems to be in favour of remaining in the EU and has set out to thwart Brexit from the beginning (44%).

May is just a liar. 108 times she said the UK would leave the EU on March 29th. Again and again she said "No deal is better than a bad deal". Now she is completely opposed to the WTO option.

Also, 1 million people didn't attend The People's Vote march last Saturday. The actual number is estimated between 312,000 to 400,000.

https://fullfact.org/europe/peoples-vote-march-count/

@Tangerine2000

Are you comfortable with crashing out with no deal and going to WTO terms? You aren’t the chest-thumping type throwing out tabloid nicknames, and I understand your arguments from a democratic standpoint, but I’m not sure where you stand on a no-deal Brexit. It’s just that I come across a lot of ‘Brexit means Brexit’ when I ask this question and evasions on the consequences of crashing out.

We have heard the chimes at midnight.......General Chang (Klingon) Star Trek: The Undiscovered Country........

Ironic, as the sound of the division bell, signalling that honourable members have eight minutes before a vote in Parliament, chimes close to midnight, Monday 25th, could well forewarn an event that will herald monumental political change cutting to the very heart of United Kingdom as a parliamentary democracy.

Every single member of parliament that stood on a manifesto that pledged/promised to respect the 23rd June 2016 is going to held accountable sooner or later.

Hi Jimizo!

A WTO exit is not ideal. It would be much better to have a Canada-style trade deal with the inclusion of access for financial services. This was actually put forward by Donald Tusk over 6 months ago, but it was kept fairly quiet and turned down by May's own circle. That convinced me that she was never going to try for any type of reasonable deal.

So, being as WTO is the only credible version of Brexit left, I am fine with it. Of course there'll be economic hardship and unforseen problems at first, but these will get sorted within months, not years. People often talk of governments making decisions when in actual fact, it's the consumers. The companies that sell into the UK and vice versa will keep disruption to a minimum for their own sake.

It is the only way that the UK can leave cleanly. This will be better for the EU and UK in the long run.

So, being as WTO is the only credible version of Brexit left, I am fine with it. Of course there'll be economic hardship and unforseen problems at first, but these will get sorted within months, not years.

This is where I get very uneasy. I don’t know how you can say that with any confidence. I’m semi-literate at best when discussing economics and the opinions I’ve read seem to agree on short-term damage but the long-term forecasts vary wildly.

It seems we can pretty much agree on short-term damage and then roll the dice for the long term.

It is a bit dodgy, isn’t it?

@Jimizo

Of course there is a level of risk. Anyone who says there isn't is being foolish. However, even Mark Carney says that preparations in the UK for a no-deal are as complete as they can be.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2019/03/05/eu-set-financial-pain-leaders-not-ready-no-deal-warns-bank-england/

The honest truth is that nobody can say what the future of the economy will be 5 years from now, even if it is in or out of the EU. However, most of the city of London have flatly refused to relocate to Frankfurt and companies are looking at the opportunites that a WTO exit would bring.

Nobody has ever explained how there could possibly be any benefit economically from any kind of Brexit, and clearly there will not be. The only non-economic 'benefit', to those who see it as such, might be a tighter control of immigration, but that itself is another negative economically. Nor has anybody suggested anything remotely resembling a solution to the Irish border issue.

The only way forward is to stay in the EU and reform it from within, working with the many people in most or all member states who see a need for reforms. But we may never get that chance due to the intransigence of stubborn and blinkered politicians being highly economical with the truth.

A clean break could bring the economic and political flexibility to compete in a global market place that is heading for dramatic realignment and change, especially in regard to emerging economies.

The question though, can our present political establishment have the vision and most importantly competence to implement such rapid fiscal, monetary, sector by sector restructuring and reform programmes.

I very much doubt it. Government, Conservative or Labour has shown little or no competence, aptitude, or expertise to lead or innovate.

They certain have a gift for pursuing their own self interests.

@itsonly. Britain is not on the Silk Road. It is a small windy, gray, rainy little island off the coast of France.

Hi Goodlucktoyou, I believe all 28 member states, whether large or small, harbouring delusions of grandeur, suffering from a climate of gloom and despondency, rain or shine, rich or poor, be able to reach out, and make there way in the world. Take the opportunity, the risk and diversify trade policy etc and this should be respected without fear or favour.

Some will stumble and fall, for ohers the EU is a perfect fit both politically and economically. However some members of the Eurozone, monetarily/fiscally, the Union is not a level playing field......

Britain is not a empire any more, it's just small windy grey rainy little island off the coast of France, inconsequential The EU commission, institutions and political establishment on the other hand, appear to view UK departure with a mixture of horror and alarm.

I share theeastisred optimism, in the event of the UK remaining a member state the opportunity exists to attempt to bring about change from within. But within a Federal Union, I am not so convinced.

Also, 1 million people didn't attend The People's Vote march last Saturday. The actual number is estimated between 312,000 to 400,000.

Nah, people always try and play these things down. I was on the 2 million march in '03. Insane, but in a good way. Folks from all walks of life. It didn't stop Blair but it did put the frightners on Jack Straw.

Also, I'd be interested in hearing from the downvoters why they are happy for the UK to leave the EU but seemingly not so happy for the 6 counties to leave the UK.

The problem with wrestling control from May is that whilst wrestling control in Westminster is one thing, actually translating whatever indicative voting ends in into an offer and directing it back to the EU requires May. The EU can not negotiate with Parliament.

More votes in the Commons tomorrow. Hoping for a consensus, but it's more likely I'll win the lottery though.