Former Minneapolis police Officer Derek Chauvin listens as the verdict is read in his trial for the 2020 death of George Floyd, at the Hennepin County Courthouse in Minneapolis, Minn, on Tuesday. Photo: Court TV via AP, Pool
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Minneapolis ex-policeman Chauvin convicted of murder in Floyd case

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By Jonathan Allen, Nathan Layne and Gabriella Borter

Former Minneapolis policeman Derek Chauvin was convicted of murder on Tuesday in the death of George Floyd, a milestone in the fraught racial history of the United States and a rebuke of law enforcement's treatment of Black Americans.

The 12-member jury found Chauvin, 45, guilty of all three charges of second-degree murder, third-degree murder and manslaughter after considering three weeks of testimony from 45 witnesses, including bystanders, police officials and medical experts. Deliberations began on Monday and lasted just over 10 hours.

In a confrontation captured on video, Chauvin, a white veteran of the police force, pushed his knee into the neck of Floyd, a 46-year-old Black man in handcuffs, for more than nine minutes on May 25, 2020. Chauvin and three fellow officers were attempting to arrest Floyd, who was accused of using a fake $20 bill to buy cigarettes at a grocery store.

The jurors remained still and quiet as the verdict was read, according to a pool report. Chauvin, wearing a gray suit with a blue tie and white shirt as well as a light-blue pandemic-related face mask, nodded and stood quickly when the judge ruled that his bail was revoked. He was taken out of the courtroom in handcuffs and placed in the custody of the Hennepin County sheriff.

Outside the courthouse, a crowd of several hundred people erupted in cheers when the verdict was announced.

The scene quickly turned festive with cars honking, demonstrators blocking traffic, grilling food, and chanting "George Floyd" and "All three counts."

Chris Dixon, a 41-year old Black Minneapolis resident, had tears rolling down his face.

"I was hoping that we would get justice and it looks like we did,” he said. "I’m just very proud of where I live right now."

President Joe Biden called the guilty verdict "a giant step" toward justice in the United States.

"It was a murder in the full light of day, and it ripped the blinders off for the whole world to see," Biden said in nationally televised remarks. "Systemic racism is a stain on the nation's soul."

The Democratic president said the protests seen in the United States after Floyd's killing were something the nation had not witnessed since the civil rights movement and had unified people of different races.

"Nothing can ever bring their brother and father back," he said of the Floyd family, "but this can be a giant step forward in the march toward justice in America."

Biden also praised the "brave young woman" who recorded Chauvin kneeling on Floyd's neck, and cited the police officers who testified for the prosecution in the case "instead of closing ranks."

"For so many," Biden said, "it feels like it took all of that for the judicial system to deliver basic accountability."

Vice President Kamala Harris also delivered remarks, urging the U.S. Senate to pass the "George Floyd Justice in Policing Act," which was approved by the U.S. House of Representatives and aims to stop aggressive law enforcement tactics that have targeted African Americans and other minorities.

"A measure of justice isn't the same as equal justice. This verdict brings us a step closer," said Harris, the first Black person, first Asian American and first woman to be vice president.

At George Floyd Square in Minneapolis, the intersection where Floyd was killed and which was later named in his honor, people screamed, applauded and some threw dollar bills in the air in celebration. The site has since become a rallying point for racial justice protests.

"Justice for Black America is justice for all of America," the Floyd family's attorney Benjamin Crump said in a statement. "This case is a turning point in American history for accountability of law enforcement and sends a clear message we hope is heard clearly in every city and every state."

Chauvin had pleaded not guilty to the charges of second-degree unintentional murder involving "intentional infliction of bodily harm," third-degree unintentional "depraved mind" murder involving an "act eminently dangerous to others," and second-degree manslaughter involving a death caused by "culpable negligence." He could now face up to 40 years in prison.

While the U.S. criminal justice system and juries have long given leeway and some legal protection to police officers who use violence to subdue civilians, the Minneapolis jurors found that Chauvin had crossed the line and used excessive force.

Minnesota Attorney General Keith Ellison told reporters that the verdict was a "first step towards justice" and should serve as a launching point for police reform so that similar cases do not occur.

"We need to use this verdict as an inflection point," he said.

The intersection of race and law enforcement has long been contentious in the United States, underscored by a series of deadly incidents involving white police officers and Black people in a number of American cities in recent years.

Floyd's death prompted protests against racism and police brutality in many cities in the United States and other countries even while people were dealing with the coronavirus pandemic.

Protests broke out again last week a few miles from Minneapolis after a police officer fatally shot a 20-year-old Black man after a routine traffic stop on April 11. Kimberly Potter, who has since turned in her badge, has been charged with manslaughter.

The Minneapolis Police Department fired Chauvin and three other officers the day after Floyd's death. The three others are due to face trial later this year on aiding-and-abetting charges.

HOURS OF TESTIMONY

Under Minnesota sentencing guidelines, Chauvin faces 12 -1/2 years in prison for his murder conviction as a first-time criminal offender. Prosecutors could seek a longer sentence of up to 40 years if Hennepin County District Judge Peter Cahill, who presided over the trial, determines that there were "aggravating factors." Cahill said Chauvin's sentencing is likely eight weeks away.

In Minnesota, convicted criminals generally leave prison on supervised release after completing two thirds of their sentence. Chauvin had no previous criminal convictions.

In a trial that opened on March 29, the defense argued that Chauvin behaved as any "reasonable police officer" would have under these circumstances, and sought to raise doubts about the cause of Floyd's death, saying heart disease or even the exhaust fumes from the nearby police car may have been factors.

Witnesses called by prosecutors included a cardiologist, a pulmonologist, a toxicologist and a forensic pathologist, who testified that videos and autopsy results confirmed that Chauvin killed Floyd by compressing his body into the street in a way that starved him of oxygen.

Darnella Frazier, a teenager who told the jury she was walking with her 9-year-old cousin on the evening of Floyd's death, was also among the prosecution witnesses. She had used her cellphone to make a video depicting Floyd's excruciating ordeal, images that catalyzed the subsequent protests. Floyd can be heard on the video crying out for his mother and telling officers he could not breathe. Eventually Chauvin lifted his knee to allow paramedics to place Floyd's limp body onto a stretcher.

Other eyewitnesses described the horror and lingering trauma of watching Floyd die in front of them. Courteney Ross, Floyd's girlfriend of nearly three years, recalled their first kiss and their shared struggle with opioid addiction.

Minneapolis Police Chief Medaria Arradondo appeared as a prosecution witness to testify that Chauvin's actions during the arrest represented an egregious breach of his training.

Members of Floyd's family took turns attending the trial, though some tried to avert their gaze when video of Floyd's death, recorded from multiple angles, was replayed to jurors.

The jurors, who were four white women, two white men, three Black men, one Black woman and two multiracial women, were sequestered since they began deliberating on Monday.

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why do I have a shred of sympathy for this guy, I must be completely shot in the head.

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this is epic, i haven't seen a police officer convicted ever.

10 ( +28 / -18 )

Finally, some measure of justice for George Floyd.

Let us all hope that the sentence will adequately reflect the severity and depravity of Chauvin's actions.

9 ( +32 / -23 )

The correct and just verdict. Let’s hope the he is sentenced to the maximum punishment possible.

Let’s also hope the gun nutters don’t kick off.

3 ( +35 / -32 )

Justice has been done. The jury made the right decision and we are saved the violence that would follow an innocent verdict.

6 ( +30 / -24 )

Honestly this was a mistrial if I ever saw one. The constant doxxing and threats of violence to the jurors totally interfered with this case.

The jurors knew they were going to be targeted, harassed, or, god forbid, assaulted if they didn't convict him as guilty.

Downvote me all you want, but the US is not a country of fair trial anymore, but one of mob rule.

-5 ( +35 / -40 )

why do I have a shred of sympathy for this guy, I must be completely shot in the head.

Maybe the same reason some women marry death row inmates.

He’s a murderer. Give him the full 40 years.

-8 ( +22 / -30 )

I will never forget that smarmy look on his face with hands in his pockets as he slowly squeezed the life of a prone handcuffed black man.

As if to say “What are you guys gonna do about it? I’m a cop!”

Well, now he’s a convicted felon and he’s going to jail.

Guilty, Guilty, Guilty.

20 ( +36 / -16 )

I hope this leads to real change and put an end to police brutality!

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Downvote me all you want, but the US is not a country of fair trial anymore, but one of mob rule.

The US has one of the fairest systems of justice in the world. There are flaws, but not what you’re describing.

-9 ( +21 / -30 )

It's about time the police is held accountable for all the lives they took.

13 ( +29 / -16 )

This is what JUSTICE is! Take notes Japan!

-8 ( +19 / -27 )

@P.Smith

No gun was involved in this case. However, this just goes to show that you don't need guns to commit murder.

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why do I have a shred of sympathy for this guy, I must be completely shot in the head.

I find myself in the same conundrum. I believe the verdict was the right one; however, something about watching a man lose everything—his wife, career, freedom—just evokes a little sympathy from me. At the end of the day, though, he’s still alive and Floyd isn’t. So he needs to pay the price for killing him. Chauvin made his own bed, and now must lie in it for many years to come. I bet you he wishes he listened to the crowd now. Especially to that off-duty firefighter. I be you he wishes now he let up of that knee. Just a sad situation. So many lives so unnecessarily ruined.

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Great !!.. sad day for white supremacists, and conservative medievals, justice is served, at least it will be 40 years in prison..

This is what JUSTICE is! Take notes Japan!

Tissue??.. lol !!..

-17 ( +14 / -31 )

Who in the right mind would want to be a cop in the USA?

17 ( +31 / -14 )

Say his name for Justice, "George Floyd".

Finally, some justice for Floyds family. And justice for the white supremacist cop who so cruelly murdered George out of pure racism and abuse of power.

-10 ( +17 / -27 )

Justice is served.

Let's hope the sentence is severe and sends a message to those who take part in, and support, the horrific modern day lynchings.

No more.

-5 ( +18 / -23 )

something about watching a man lose everything—his wife, career, freedom—just evokes a little sympathy from me.

The jurors probably felt more than a little sympathy for Floyd watching him lose everything slowly and painfully over 9 minutes.

I expect Chauvin will get a lot of fan mail and love letters. You could write to him.

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why do I have a shred of sympathy for this guy, I must be completely shot in the head.

I find myself in the same conundrum. I believe the verdict was the right one; however, something about watching a man lose everything—his wife, career, freedom—just evokes a little sympathy from me

This is a good thing because it means you have some humanity and empathy.

0 ( +16 / -16 )

A simple Google search demonstrates that the jurors identities weren’t released to the public before they reach a verdict.

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I find myself in the same conundrum. I believe the verdict was the right one; however, something about watching a man lose everything—his wife, career, freedom—just evokes a little sympathy from me. 

I can't fathom anyone having any sympathy for the fallout from what Chauvin did.Should be consequences and repercussions for such sick behavior that Chauvin did. I've found that the sympathy is usually really based on having the same complexion as the criminal.I feel for his Asian wife he married.She didn't ask for this.Her life is ruined because of what he did.Did you think of her? The only saving grace is that they had no children.This pandemic has really exposed people for who and how they are.

-5 ( +11 / -16 )

The prosecution made a good case.

7 ( +16 / -9 )

He took the knee and will now pay the price.

The community of Floyd gather to celebrate the result.

The Floyd family rewarded $27 million compensation. The greates amount ever.

9 ( +20 / -11 )

For a verdict to be given so quickly after the case was sent to the jury strongly implies the evidence was overwhelming. No need to argue over evidence, parse the meaning of legal terms to see if evidence supports a conviction or acquittal, no need to cajole reluctant jurors to agree to a unanimous verdict. There was only one verdict consistent with what the jury saw and there was no good argument otherwise. The case may be unique in that regard btw and might not be the watershed some think it is. Future cases might not be so unambiguous as this one was and may result in still more acquittals of police officers after committing various barbarities against the black community.

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Great! He should be behind bars. He deserves it. I just didn’t like the politicians getting involved in this case. Waters and Sharpton are the last people you want near any racial case.

Let’s also hope the gun nutters don’t kick off.

No, the crowds got what they wanted, so no need for that.

-7 ( +14 / -21 )

I hope the other inmates give him a nice warm welcome to his new home.

-10 ( +9 / -19 )

@kent

No tissue needed for me. They will be saved for the family of George Floyd as he will be missed by many.

-4 ( +14 / -18 )

I hope the other inmates give him a nice warm welcome to his new home.

But that’s not justice. Just vengeance in the form of gang rape. Don’t become the criminal in trying to deliver justice to the criminal.

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No sympathy for this convicted felon. None. His own actions brought him here. His own belief that his badge and gun made him unaccountable. He was “mistaken.”

I’m sure he will express some remorse at his sentencing and plead for mercy. He should get the maximum sentence.

Sympathy belongs with the man he squeezed the life out of because he thought he could.

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Waters and Sharpton are the last people you want near any racial case.

And who might you want near a "racial case", then? Hannity and Carlson?

0 ( +13 / -13 )

And who might you want near a "racial case", then? Hannity and Carlson?

Definitely not two race hustlers who have turned tragedy into a racket.

8 ( +17 / -9 )

Guilty verdict = violence.

Not guilty verdict = violence.

-12 ( +9 / -21 )

why do I have a shred of sympathy for this guy, I must be completely shot in the head.

Yes, in a violent act resulting in death (murder) the perpetrator is always a victim, too, in a perverse symbiotic relationship with the killed. But what motivated Chauvin to kneel on the neck of a man for so long is what people would like to know in order to feel a shred of sympathy for the killer. Unfortunately, Chauvin's apparent lack of contrition (perhaps his inability to feel or show guilt owing to some moral depravity and a lack of self-awareness) and his refusal to testify and help the world gain some insight into the psychological state of his mind during the arrest left little room for mercy or forgiveness. This guilty verdict was justice seen to be done for a change, but without radical reform of policing in America to curb the unnecessary violence and killing of unarmed citizens, often over trivial matters, the endemic travesty of justice endured for so long by the American poor will only continue to mock the US Constitution.

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I hope the other inmates give him a nice warm welcome to his new home.

That won’t happen. He won’t be kept in general population.

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I'm checking out Fox News now. Their news team is reporting the story and doing a good job mostly sticking to the facts.

In a few hours the Fox News Entertainment division will take over. Should be interesting. My guess is Maxine Waters will be mentioned more that Floyd and Chauvin combined.

0 ( +11 / -11 )

Definitely not two race hustlers who have turned tragedy into a racket.

So not Hannity and Carlson then. Glad we agree!

1 ( +9 / -8 )

This cop had 18 misconduct complaint against him, he should of been off the force years ago

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I'm checking out Fox News now. Their news team is reporting the story and doing a good job mostly sticking to the facts.

Of course, why would they not? Now I’m sure they’ll have plenty to say about the race hustlers Sharpton and Waters, that’s coming for sure and justly. The msm will give these awful individuals a pass, FNC won’t.

My guess is Maxine Waters will be mentioned more that Floyd and Chauvin combined.

She already is and not just on TV but in congress as well. But Waters to her credit is helping House Republicans in a very big way, that’s actually another win today for them.

-13 ( +6 / -19 )

Based on the publicly available evidence this is a just verdict. Chauvin was reckless with Floyd’s life and uncaring to the citizens he was charged with protecting. Floyd was no saint - he was a drug user and a petty criminal caught in the act of a crime. No matter. He deserved respect. Floyd’s lack of respect for the police is no excuse.

The horrible use of this case, and numerous others, in a racially divisive manner has only served to sow hatred and distrust of law enforcement. The narrative has now become that every officer is part of a systemically racist brotherhood that is out to intentionally harm black citizens. That poisonous idea is rolling back the clock on the idea of justice in America that has come so far since the civil rights era. The results of this poison is already evident in cities across America. Homicide has jumped dramatically due to BLM’s race baiting and defund campaign. Every white person, law enforcement or civilian - no matter how decent and honorable, is considered innately racist by the prevailing culture. Their individuality and humanity is consumed by the narrative. Not much hope that race relations or crime rates will improve under these circumstances.

2 ( +14 / -12 )

How does America start to heal? The racism, the violence, the mass shootings.

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So not Hannity and Carlson then. Glad we agree!

White liberals are entrenched in their racism.

-7 ( +10 / -17 )

Floyd was no saint - he was a drug user and a petty criminal caught in the act of a crime. No matter. He deserved respect. Floyd’s lack of respect for the police is no excuse.

‘No matter’ and ‘no excuse’ but you’ll keep bringing it up. What’s the ‘narrative’ there?

0 ( +10 / -10 )

Of course, why would they not? 

Here's a very long list of why they would not:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fox_News_controversies

But it has to be said that daytime Fox and nighttime Fox are indeed two different beasts.

She already is

Yup. And I wonder if you realize that by saying this you exactly proved the point SuperLib was making?

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@Yrral. Spot on. Chauvin was a bad cop and his actions led to the death of Floyd. For those who disagree with the verdict I will also acknowledge the fact that Floyd had a high level of narcotics in his system however he most likely would not have died if Chauvin did not continue to restrain him in that manner.

This is a correct verdict which was determined by a jury which was 1/2 white and 1/2 non white members. Race was not introduced or used to convict Chauvin.

This is the correct verdict regardless of what race one is as it is about police abuse of power.

I hope the US can find a way to come together.

10 ( +16 / -6 )

According to some people, pointing out that even the tragedy of watching Chauvin get away with murder wouldn't break the will of the protesters against injustice, but inspire them to face violent oppression and the harassment of the emboldened racists was a 'threat to the jurors'.

That those people found the prospect of even more protesters, more determined to end the injustice of racism, threatening tells you what they are. Hint, they're the same as the folks who found the people who tried to walk across the Edmund Pettus bridge frightening, and that even after the egregious miscarriage of justice at the hands of police, they came back, more inspired to face violent oppression and the harassment of the emboldened racists, terrifying.

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The narrative has now become that every officer is part of a systemically racist brotherhood that is out to intentionally harm black citizens. That poisonous idea is rolling back the clock on the idea of justice in America that has come so far since the civil rights era. The results of this poison is already evident in cities across America. Homicide has jumped dramatically due to BLM’s race baiting and defund campaign. Every white person, law enforcement or civilian - no matter how decent and honorable, is considered innately racist by the prevailing culture. Their individuality and humanity is consumed by the narrative. Not much hope that race relations or crime rates will improve under these circumstances.

You really need to stop watching OAN buddy :)

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The US has one of the fairest systems of justice in the world. There are flaws, but not what you’re describing.

USA has about 15x the incarceration of Japan's system (and at least 5-10x in the entire world, except for countries like NK) and really nothing to show for it. Think of all that tax money wasted and that should make people angry - it makes me angry (Mississippi man gets 12 years in prison for possessing a cellphone in county jail - Yes, tax money well spent and you can get slightly more for murder in Japan). That waste makes me angry. Too much of the American criminal system is like a business and what American would want to waste their taxes on this?

I hope the other inmates give him a nice warm welcome to his new home.

Derek Chauvin would probably prefer a prison system like Japan's since he would be a lot safer there. Incarceration is punishment enough.

My guess is Maxine Waters will be mentioned more that Floyd and Chauvin combined.

I don't think the jury really paid attention to Waters in the trial.

6 ( +7 / -1 )

But it has to be said that daytime Fox and nighttime Fox are indeed two different beasts.

wikipedia? Yawn anyway....

Yup. And I wonder if you realize that by saying this you exactly proved the point SuperLib was making?

Not really really, because to my point the liberal networks will cushion her obnoxious and vile comments.

-8 ( +4 / -12 )

He [ ex-policeman ] seemed confused and sometimes too calm during the announcement of the verdict when I watched the court case on live TV.

"Minneapolis ex-policeman Chauvin convicted of murder in Floyd case"

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Every white person, law enforcement or civilian - no matter how decent and honorable, is considered innately racist by the prevailing culture. Their individuality and humanity is consumed by the narrative. Not much hope that race relations or crime rates will improve under these circumstances.

This is very true and when do you think about it why would any person want to be a police officer today and the scrutiny is on every white cop, because the media has demonized all white cops as being racist and that is far from even close to being the truth and as more cops are cashing in on the retirements, the crime rate continues to go up and I do think that reform on certain areas that need to happen, but not to the point where it inhibits the job of the police officer, because now thugs will think that they can do anything they want with impunity and the cops will not be able to do their jobs effectively going forward, this is so bad for the nation.

-10 ( +5 / -15 )

You really need to stop watching OAN buddy :)

But the fact that you know this is on OAN means that you watch OAN. Please tell us more of their take on the Chauvin trial.

-3 ( +6 / -9 )

Whatever feelings one harbors on or about thug cop Derek Chauvin, don’t for one minute believe, jurisprudence represented justice in this trial.

Derek Chauvin, was convicted by the press/media long before the trail began.

Absolute sham, U.S. Rep. Maxine Waters, democratic congresswoman should be held in contempt of court.

0 ( +9 / -9 )

Please tell us more of their take on the Chauvin trial.

It doesn't matter. Jury followed facts and evidence and did their job. Why cares about what Hannity or Alex Jones says?

why would any person want to be a police officer today

Good salary and pension for one? It's actually not really a dangerous job and you do get to serve the public.

0 ( +8 / -8 )

Derek Chauvin, was convicted by the press/media long before the trail began.

NO, it was on the evidence and facts

democratic congresswoman should be held in contempt of court.

which court is that? The jury didn't even pay attention to that anyway. They followed facts and evidence.

1 ( +8 / -7 )

wikipedia?

Can you imagine being so adverse to the idea of having your worldview changed by even one iota that you start badmouthing... wikipedia? Truly fascinating.

Not really really, because to my point the liberal networks will cushion her obnoxious and vile comments.

What's "really really" funny is the cynical double standard of the right-wing propaganda jumping on Waters after months of making excuses for all the hateful and violent rethoric that led to what happened on January 6th :)

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@Jsapc. I’m more left wing and I agree with the verdict but I also agree that what Maxine Waters did was wrong. She has been in Congress for decades and should know better than that.

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But the fact that you know this is on OAN means that you watch OAN.

I don't, actually! I was just tired of writing Carlson's name so I went to another right-wing hate-spewing sewer. If OAN doesn't promote the idea that white people and the police are now terribly oppressed and censored in America and that democrats are creating more racism than republicans, which is the worldview that wolfpack is regularly promoting around here, I will happilly admit I was wrong to use their name!

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Not really really, because to my point the liberal networks will cushion her obnoxious and vile comments.

That is the view point of a privileged uncaring white who has no sympathy for anyone other than other whites. It is a vile and obnoxious example of blatant racism.

-1 ( +9 / -10 )

I’m more left wing and I agree with the verdict but I also agree that what Maxine Waters did was wrong. She has been in Congress for decades and should know better than that.

Oh, what Maxine Waters said was absolutely stupid and a grave mistake in my opinion too. I never said it wasn't, nor that I particularly like Maxine Waters. But that doesn't make the republicans' double standard less egregious and ridiculous.

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Trail Judge Peter Cahill decried  U.S. Rep. Maxine Waters comments as ...

“Disrespectful to the rule of law and to the judicial branch” for elected officials to comment on the outcome of the case. “Their failure to do so, I think, is abhorrent"

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Derek Chauvin, was convicted by the press/media long before the trail began

He was convicted by a jury based on the evidence presented, and the video of him killing his victim was what convinced that jury to convict him. It was the clearest and most visceral piece of evidence presented. Nothing else came close to the power of that video, and you cannot with any degree of honesty blame or credit that to the press. Not even close.

-1 ( +7 / -8 )

Can you imagine being so adverse to the idea of having your worldview changed by even one iota that you start badmouthing... wikipedia? Truly fascinating.

That anyone can go in and change, lol..uh-huh....

What's "really really" funny is the cynical double standard of the right-wing propaganda jumping on Waters

Given her vile history of race baiting going all the way back to the LA riots and I went through that and even back then the woman was just the absolute worst case of scum for defending a man Damian Williams that beat an innocent truck driver Reginald Denny for simply being white. This woman has done nothing in her political career to ease racial tension and the same goes to Sharpton.

-6 ( +4 / -10 )

He was convicted by a jury based on the evidence presented

Chauvin's co-workers (cops) were slamming him in court as witnesses for the prosecution.

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bass4funk: Of course, why would they not?

Surprised, but happy to hear you say that. You often disrespected Fox News' biggest stars, Shep Shepard and Chris Wallace as liberal hacks.

because now thugs will think that they can do anything they want with impunity and the cops will not be able to do their jobs effectively going forward

Nah, just watch the Ashli Babbitt video. The cops did the right thing with that thug and sent an important message to those trying to attack cops.

-2 ( +5 / -7 )

It it normal for senators and the POTUS to pipe up on the outcome of criminal trials?

And for that matter, how is it possible to be convicted of 2nd, 3rd, and manslaughter with only one dead body?

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Tokyo-Engr: Maxine Waters did was wrong

Maxine Waters needs to go. Her actions were inexcusable and showed incredibly poor judgement during a potentially explosive situation. And when I say, "poor judgement" I mean "incompetent."

-4 ( +4 / -8 )

She has been in Congress for decades and should know better than that.

She has been in a Congress that for all these years has never really done anything to fix the problems she and her constituents live with daily. The police abuse, lack of equal access to educational opportunities, unequal access to loans and other support available to white business owners but begrudged to black business owners. She has been pushing a mountain for decades trying to improve the lot of her mostly Black constituents and because of non stop white push back has little to show for it. So she is frustrated and lashes out. Because I know her district to an extent and know what her constituents face, even in liberal California, and know the impunity of both LAPD and moreso LASD can be (my wife is Chinese and the LA County Sheriffs have in the past treated her very poorly, insulting and talking down to her BSEE notwithstanding, but filing a complaint gets you nowhere). So yes I share her frustration with a system that is purposely designed to keep the poor poor and minorities suppressed. I was poor for many years and know that from first hand experience. Being nice gets you nowhere in the US political system. Nice guys finish last. You have to make noise and find ways to apply pressure to get anything done. Unfortunately for Blacks in the US the white majority never listens until there are widespread riots. The anger is seething right under their noses and they turn a blind eye to it. Something has to explode to get the attention of Congress and the white majority.

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@Jericho

Every once in a while, a news event happens which has a tendancy to disturb your worldview. And the occurances of these past few years certainly do seem to be happening at an accelerated rate. 

Today, we had such an occurrence. Although we were hopeful that, in this trial, the evidence coming forward would ultimately prevail, in hindsight it was obvious the outcome would rely on mob justice. If there is a lesson to be learned here, it is this: if angry mobs are to decide anything, expect a negative outcome. Expect rational viewpoints to be rejected. Expect truth to be denied. 

Unsurprisingly, it was completely political. And I think it is very telling that they threatened violence whatever the verdict would be. The case should have been thrown out. 

The United States may have been the noblest undertaking in history; a calling for the world to unite under the flag of freedom and reason. And with regards to multi-cultural and multi-racial harmony, it was a remarkable achievement. 

But that is all gone out the window. It's on the sidewalk being trampled on by the mobs. Still, this chapter in the leftist narrative is only just beginning. Here, in the case against the police officer, the clamours of the crowds outside the courtroom got their way. And so they've been further emboldened. Thuggery has been vindicated. Do you think they're gonna to stop now? And as one of the posters so rightly pointed out: what kid in their right mind would dream of becoming a police officer now? Who wants to serve and protect whilst getting shouted at, pointed-green-lasers at, accused at every turn. Of course, I am just kidding! That doesn't REALLY happen! Those videos have been deleted. :) We shall be seeing more of these occurrences for years and years to come. Sooner or later, it'll hit closer to home. 

But in spite of this, we must stay hopeful. Continue to pray for the goodness in humanity. Love thy neighbour. Protect what you hold dear. Stay close to your family. This is key! It is a time to look not to worldly ways but to seek shelter on higher ground. 

And... say NO! to drugs.

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That anyone can go in and change

That's not really how it works, of course. But you're welcome to go make some changes if you want, see how it turns out.

Given her vile history of race baiting

Yeah yeah, "black woman bad", we get it. But what about the double standard? Why is "we need to get more confrontational" vile and obnoxious and "we need trial by combat" perfectly fine?

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> And for that matter, how is it possible to be convicted of 2nd, 3rd, and manslaughter with only one dead body?

Because they are separate crimes and the prosecution rightly wanted to get the maximum possible sentencing which we will see in a few weeks from now.

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Desert Tortoise, it is not a case whether one believes or judges Derek Chauvin innocence or guilt,

The footage/video of George Floyd shocking death is evidence, should never have been released to the media until the trail concluded.

The result is trail by media, prejudice, detrimental to defendant being afforded his or her rights under the U.S. Constitution.

Tainted, in the possibility a jury could have viewed that evidence prior to the trail, plus the accompanying media opinion.

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Going to jail for doing your job, unfortunately justice has gone woke, too.

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Yeah yeah, "black woman bad"

And there it is folks. This is why she’s been able to land on the Most Corrupt Congress Person’s list year after year and she gets away with it for over forty years. She bullet proof. You can’t touch her. Any attempt will always be seen as an attack on a woman of color. And she’ll continue to keep her black community in the gutter. Classic white liberal tactic. With friends like these, the black community sure doesn’t need the kkk.

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But in spite of this, we must stay hopeful. Continue to pray for the goodness in humanity. Love thy neighbour. Protect what you hold dear. Stay close to your family. This is key! It is a time to look not to worldly ways but to seek shelter on higher ground. 

And... say NO! to drugs.

Say NO! to victim blaming. Say NO! to murder!

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Tucker Carlson just started. The big banner on the screen: Can we trust how this decision was made? His first comments: With all of the murder by BLM over the last year we know the outcome wasn't in doubt. And 90 seconds later...."What's at stake is America" LOL

You can literally tell the exact moment when Fox switches from News to Entertainment.

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This is what JUSTICE is! Take notes Japan!

So Japan should use threats of violence to force convictions? No thanks.

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Thuggery has been vindicated. 

Well, after seeing posters like Noidall and bass condemn Chauvin and agree with this verdict, I thought we could all finally agree on something in these comments, but we now have someone proactively dissapointed Chauvin that was convicted! Oh boy...

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That's not really how it works,

It does, that’s why certain liberal individuals have their wiki pages locked and so pertinent information that can contract these peoples bio, in other words, you have to take the info face value without any counter arguments.

Yeah yeah, "black woman bad", we get it.

Ahh, the racial hook again. No, not because she’s black, because she’s toxic, but so is Nancy and that has nothing to do with her being Italian? Nice try.

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@nishikat

Today 08:34 am JST

"NO, it was on the evidence and facts"

Point of contention. What were the facts?

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The screeching 180s our conservative posters have done on this case are stunning. Those of us with memories remember the numerous posts from those posters attempting to defend Chauvin’s actions by constantly pointing to Floyd’s criminal records and the drugs in his system. Hell, just yesterday they were at it.

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And there it is folks. 

Again, never said I liked or supported Maxine Waters. Just cutting through 6 lines of unrelated whining.

Classic white liberal tactic. 

And what makes you think I'm either of those?

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@Bob: ‘No matter’ and ‘no excuse’ but you’ll keep bringing it up. What’s the ‘narrative’ there?

Just the facts.

I hope the US can find a way to come together.

America is going head-long in the opposite direction. It’s a tragedy what is happening- a slow motion train-wreck. Just awful.

Jsapc: You really need to stop watching OAN buddy :)

A steady diet of MSNBC and CNN isn’t a well rounded view of events. That’s why I come to this website- to get the other side of the news and an insight into the far Leftist world view. Very educational.

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Tucker Carlson just started. The big banner on the screen: Can we trust how this decision was made? His first comments: With all of the murder by BLM over the last year we know the outcome wasn't in doubt. And 90 seconds later...."What's at stake is America" LOL

I forget, Chauvin doesn’t have the right of the presumption of having a fair trial, race hustlers like Sharpton and Waters are basically saying, you don’t convict Chauvin, we will tear this city down again. That’s definitely worth debating. But since the jury wasn’t sequestered and Biden was interjecting himself in this murder trial is disgusting and before your lefty’s think I’m on Chauvin’s side, not at all but these leaders don’t have the right to weigh in and taint the political process.

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in other words, you have to take the info face value without any counter arguments.

That is the exact opposite of how wikipedia works.

Ahh, the racial hook again. 

Sure. So how about that double standard? That's what I'm curious about.

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So Japan should use threats of violence to force convictions? No thanks.

It’s called forced confessions.

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Again, never said I liked or supported Maxine Waters. Just cutting through 6 lines of unrelated whining.

Nor did you ever condemn her for anything she said either. She is on your team so anything goes I guess....

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It's hard to pinpoint racism in cases like this. Was Chauvin racist? Who knows.

But we do know there are bad cops out there who are prone to violence before de-escalation. And we do know there are laws on the books specifically meant to let cops pull people over to fish for other crimes, like when they pull someone over for hanging an air freshener from their mirror. And finally, my guess is that black people, especially ones that "look dangerous," get pulled over for these types of things more often than I do as a professional white dude in a new sedan. I don't have the numbers, but that's just my guess. Not much for them to fish for.

Which is weird to say since I hang an air freshener in my car. I didn't realize it was against the law until recently. Once I had a taillight out and my step-dad mentioned it when he pulled into the parking lot behind me. I have no idea how long the light had been out for but I know I've passed cops at night and was never pulled over.

So....when an incident like this happens, there might not have been racism in the actions that killed Chauvin, but there could have been racism in the decision to pull him over in the first place. Now you have a bad cop interacting with a black person and bad things happened. Again, I don't have the stats, but I'm guessing the odds are a lot less likely for me to run into a guy like Chauvin.

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Which is weird to say since I hang an air freshener in my car. I didn't realize it was against the law until recently.

It’s a pretext to pull someone over. Traffic violations do not require proof beyond a reasonable doubt because the punishment isn’t considered severe enough.

This leads to police using traffic violations to fish for other crimes because the initial detainment is rarely considered invalid. An invalid detainment in which more serious crimes are discovered results in the suppression of evidence under Fourth Amendment jurisprudence.

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Any claim of jury intimidation and influence is wrong. Plain and simple. Jury names were not released, jury members were sequestered. Stop listening to Hannity and Tucker, they are lying to you and you are falling for it.

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The screeching 180s our conservative posters have done on this case are stunning. Those of us with memories remember the numerous posts from those posters attempting to defend Chauvin’s actions by constantly pointing to Floyd’s criminal records and the drugs in his system.

Oh, so that’s irrelevant? You can’t walk and chew gum at the same time. So because of what this cop did to Floyd, we should discount his past? Did Floyd deserve to die the way he did? Absolutely not! But does that mean we should excuse his background? Nope, it’s all relevant in the context when you’re talking about criminal justice in its entirety.

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P.Smith: It’s a pretext to pull someone over. Traffic violations do not require proof beyond a reasonable doubt because the punishment isn’t considered severe enough.

That's what I was trying to say. Imagine a white guy in a suit in a Mercedes at a stop light hanging an air freshener. The next car over is a group of minorities in a beat up car with tattoos and bandanas. There's only one cop so only one car will get pulled over.

Which one do you think that will be?

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fighto!

"...the white supremacist cop..."

He was married to a Laotian woman. Race supremacists tend to object to mixed marriages -- never mind being in one! LOL.

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No sane person who was on that jury could vote not guilty without fear of violence against them or their families. There was a damn mob outside the courthouse. You can not serve justice when the state can't secure peace. And you can't have peace when no one has any value for justice. America is dead.

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Justice has been done.

and

Justice is served.

Yet black lawmakers are saying stuff like, "This was accountability, but it's not yet justice. Justice for us is saving lives."

Get these people a dictionary, for crying out loud!

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He was married to a Laotian woman. Race supremacists tend to object to mixed marriages -- never mind being in one! LOL.

Chauvin went way over the line, there’s no dispute about it and we can all agree on that, but a racist? It’s absolutely disgusting that the media and even in the WH throw in that racial component. Just focus on the real issue what he is: rogue and crooked cop, leave race out it. Now we need more funding than every to retrain the police and find other alternative means to bring a suspect in, other non-lethal weapons is a start as well as community policing and interacting more with the community it all helps.

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No sane person who was on that jury could vote not guilty without fear of violence against them or their families. 

Name one of the jury members. Go ahead.

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Chauvin wasn't tried for being a racist. It was for unlawfully killing a person. It wasn't marked down as a hate crime.

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He was married to a Laotian woman. Race supremacists tend to object to mixed marriages -- never mind being in one! LOL.

There has never been any evidence that race has had anything to do with Chauvin’s killing of Floyd. If there were, you better believe we would have heard all about it. What qualifies for racism in new America is any white person doing anything that can be perceived as negative towards any non-white person. The dominant culture now believes that America is run by systemically racist white people. Regardless of the race of the mayor, police chief, Vice President, President, attorney general, etc. The existence of white people is in itself perceived as racism that must be condemned in terms as black and white as you are either an anti-racist or you are a racist. There is no middle ground to this binary thinking.

Chauvin is being cast as a white supremacist not because it is true - because there doesn’t seem to be any evidence that he is. No, the accusation fits the prevailing cultures desire to fundamentally transform America into a neo-Marxist state. Ones standing in society is becoming dependent in your demographics and where you slot in on the scale of oppressors vs oppressed. Where you fit on the scale has nothing to do with the content of your character and everything to do with the color of your skin.

Chauvin is not guilty of racism. The same can’t be said for the media and a lot of other people trying to make the case that he is.

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It was for unlawfully killing a person.

Nope. Chauvin may or may not have wrongfully killed a person , but he was convicted to appease the neo-Sturmabteilung flash mobs in blue state America. It’s gonna end in tears for everyone.

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"Thank you, George Floyd, for sacrificing your life for justice. - Nancy Pelosi.

Thats all I needed to know about this whole thing.

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Nope. Chauvin may or may not have wrongfully killed a person 

Nope, he definitely did. It’s been all over the news today. Did you see the headline at the top of this page? There’s a whole article and everything. Even half the jurors were white, and the judge. How ‘bout that?

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"Thank you, George Floyd, for sacrificing your life for justice. - Nancy Pelosi.

Thats all I needed to know about this whole thing.

Well, you sure wasted a lot of time talking on here about it then.

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He was married to a Laotian woman. Race supremacists tend to object to mixed marriages -- never mind being in one! LOL

You don't have to hate ALL races to be Racist.

He was convicted of Murder, if it were against a person of any race it should have been the same result. period

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Now we need more funding than every to retrain the police and find other alternative means to bring a suspect in, other non-lethal weapons is a start as well as community policing and interacting more with the community it all helps.

That is pretty much what the very ill-named "defund the police" movement actually wants, so it's nice too see you agree with them.

https://www.thecut.com/2020/06/what-does-defund-the-police-mean-the-phrase-explained.html

Defunding the police does not necessarily mean getting rid of the police altogether. Rather, it would mean reducing police budgets and reallocating those funds to crucial and oft-neglected areas like education, public health, housing, and youth services.

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