More protests break out in St Louis after acquittal in police shooting

Law enforcement is the only profession where someone can say - I am going to kill that (expletive deleted) and actually do it and get away. This reminds me of the Rodney King beating - the cops feared for their lives while they continued to beat King to a pulp - they all got off as well.  

Until other cops call this stuff out, nothing will get done. Black and White cops alike should come out and call out all the rotten apples. It seems law enforcement is becoming a breeding ground for sickos and frightened individuals with PTSD.

This reminds me of the Rodney King beating - the cops feared for their lives while they continued to beat King to a pulp - they all got off as well. 

True, but at the same time, King wasn't entirely innocent and he brought a lot of the assault onto himself.

Until other cops call this stuff out, nothing will get done. Black and White cops alike should come out and call out all the rotten apples. It seems law enforcement is becoming a breeding ground for sickos and frightened individuals with PTSD.

They've been doing that, most police departments particularly in the bigger cities have done a complete overhaul of their police departments. A lot of corruption that was the cancer in the police department has been cut out, but you will always have a few idiots hiding in the ranks, but these few individuals aren't the majority of the good and decent police that are out their putting their lives on the line for all of us.

bass4funkToday  09:59 am JST

but you will always have a few idiots hiding in the ranks, but these few individuals aren't the majority of the good and decent police that are out their putting their lives on the line for all of us.

That's an argument that's a little hard to take seriously so long as the "idiots" keep getting acquitted for murdering innocent people of color.

you will always have a few idiots hiding in the ranks

And with their position of power, a few idiots can terrorize an entire community.

but these few individuals aren't the majority of the good and decent police that are out their putting their lives on the line for all of us.

I agree. I just wish you had the same point of view for the other side.

What we're seeing over and over are cases with some sketchy stories, and the victim can't give his side because he's dead. We're left with one-sided explanations from the people who did the killing with less than perfect evidence. In most cases, I'm willing to bet the officers made the right choice. But in cases where they don't, it's too easy to manipulate the situation since there are usually no other witnesses.

You have cases like Freddie Gray, where he goes into custody, then dies of a broken neck on the ride to the police station and no one is found guilty of anything, despite knowing of a practice called "rough riding" where they intentionally don't secure the suspects and use sharp turns to bounce him around the back of the van.

The black community is going to protest any sketchy situation since it's an opportunity to say to the world that they are sometimes mistreated by police. Sometimes I disagree with them on the outcome, like Michael Brown, but I can't say I blame them to using the situation to highlight the abuse they suffer.

The conservative media will focus on the violence and paint all protesters with that brush, while at the same time saying it's just a few bad apple cops and we shouldn't look at all cops that way.

katsu78: "That's an argument that's a little hard to take seriously so long as the "idiots" keep getting acquitted for murdering innocent people of color."

Boom! Exactly. When the "few" idiots are supported by even bigger idiots, the system is broken, and the people are right to revolt.

That's an argument that's a little hard to take seriously so long as the "idiots" keep getting acquitted for murdering innocent people of color.

Running from the police is an idiotic move and a monumental mistake, regardless of color. You can can get up to 5 years just for doing that.

Innocent people don't run from the police.

And with their position of power, a few idiots can terrorize an entire community.

What about the drug dealers and the gangs that terrorize the neighborhoods and the country?

What we're seeing over and over are cases with some sketchy stories, and the victim can't give his side because he's dead.

Often we are also seeing that the left are always making excuses for perpetrators that commit acts of crime.

We're left with one-sided explanations from the people who did the killing with less than perfect evidence. In most cases, I'm willing to bet the officers made the right choice. But in cases where they don't, it's too easy to manipulate the situation since there are usually no other witnesses.

The prosecution couldn't make a convincing and compelling argument. They had their chance.

You have cases like Freddie Gray, where he goes into custody, then dies of a broken neck on the ride to the police station and no one is found guilty of anything, despite knowing of a practice called "rough riding" where they intentionally don't secure the suspects and use sharp turns to bounce him around the back of the van.

And your proof of that is? What evidence do you have that the cops maliciously tried to murder the guy?

The black community is going to protest any sketchy situation since it's an opportunity to say to the world that they are sometimes mistreated by police.

Also a lot of the times, there are people that get their information second hand, third hand and what happens? The information gets waddled down and becomes disinformation and blown out of proportion. When you ask many of these protesters about the details, the vast majority of them heard down chain.

Sometimes I disagree with them on the outcome, like Michael Brown, but I can't say I blame them to using the situation to highlight the abuse they suffer.

Nothing is wrong with protesting, it's healthy and to do so for valid reasons, it's understandingable, but at have all the facts at your side before doing so and leave the emotion out of it.

The conservative media will focus on the violence and paint all protesters with that brush, while at the same time saying it's just a few bad apple cops and we shouldn't look at all cops that way.

Not entirely, but you can flip that around and say, the liberal media pretty much always gives the suspect a pass, particularly, if they happen to be Black or Hispanic.

Innocent people don't run from the police.

Irrelevant. That's the court's job, not the police. Copper had no business shooting a fleeing suspect. Pretty stupid.

And the ak-47? What business did the cop have violating department policy? Obviously a thug cop, no respect for rule of law.

Nothing is wrong with protesting

Then why do right wingers, such as yourself, so often trash protesters? Why call them bums, etc.?

Not entirely

Yes, entirely. This is precisely what you and the far right do. 'I hate the kkk, but Antifa is just as bad.' Yeah. Right.

bass4funk: And your proof of that is? What evidence do you have that the cops maliciously tried to murder the guy?

I don't have proof of this one incident. I just know the guy was fine when he was detained and put in the back of the van, then when they show up at booking he suddenly has a broken neck. And I know that police department is famous for "rough riding" where they intentionally slam suspects around in the back of the van while they're driving.

Pretty shocking that the cops do this, isn't it? It takes a coordinated team effort, and it's so well known and accepted that there's even a name for it. It's stuff like this that causes people to protest when someone dies in police custody the way that he did.

Like James Bond, police in USA have a license to kill and one to steal as well. I can understand why the black people are upset. I would protest with them. Something needs to be done to curb police violene.

Irrelevant. That's the court's job, not the police.

Ok, so you're saying we don't need the police to uphold the law and we can break the law. Good to know and now I know the next time I steal a bag of potato chips or when I run a red light and a cop tries to stop me, I can tell him to shove it. 

Copper had no business shooting a fleeing suspect. Pretty stupid. 

You were not in the cops shoes and did not see what happened. So you are looking at it from a one-sided point of view and you don't know any of the forensic facts in the case, you know only what the police and the courts allowed the public to view, but there's a lot of stuff they didn't reveal, it's always like that. 

And the ak-47? What business did the cop have violating department policy? Obviously a thug cop, no respect for rule of law.

I don't know all the details, I wasn't there, were you? What about the thug criminal selling drugs, does he bear any responsibility or should we just give him a pass?

Then why do right wingers, such as yourself, so often trash protesters? Why call them bums, etc.?

Because as I was watching it live, some of the protesters were assaulting and taunting a few news journalists, which has nothing to do with this conviction, the guy is just doing his job and these nut jobs have to attack him? For what, he didn't acquit the cop. People need to get their emotions in check if they want to be taken seriously, jumping like loons on police cars, vandalizing public property, being overly obnoxious doesn't help any cause, it just takes the attention off the issue and puts these idiots in the spotlight.

Yes, entirely. This is precisely what you and the far right do. 'I hate the kkk, but Antifa is just as bad.' Yeah. Right.

No, not really, the left just don't want to hear how violent, dangerous and nasty the left ANTIFA thugs can be, but I did love how Ben Shapiro got in their face the other day and told them exactly what they needed to hear. Kudos!

And I know that police department is famous for "rough riding" where they intentionally slam suspects around in the back of the van while they're driving. 

Every single time?

Pretty shocking that the cops do this, isn't it? It takes a coordinated team effort, and it's so well known and accepted that there's even a name for it. It's stuff like this that causes people to protest when someone dies in police custody the way that he did.

Ok, so how many times have this particular police department engaged in such acts. Give me a specific number please.

Ok, so how many times have this particular police department engaged in such acts. Give me a specific number please.

What a silly demand to make.

"Throughout the U.S., police have been accused of using aggressive driving tactics to "rough suspects up", resulting in numerous injuries, and millions of dollars of damages awarded to victims and their families."

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roughride(police_brutality)

What about the thug criminal selling drugs, does he bear any responsibility or should we just give him a pass?

The trial was about him being shot. If he were alive then I'm guessing he'd be charged with drug dealing if that's what he does. If he were a doctor with a perfect record would you think the cop might be guilty or something?

No, not really, the left just don't want to hear how violent, dangerous and nasty the left ANTIFA thugs can be

Says who? I posted a half dozen links from various left wing news organizations showing them describing the violence from the group and condemning them. What are you seeing in the left wing sites you frequent?

“Deeply saddened at what has happened in St. Louis and having to cancel our show tonight,” the band's singer, Bono, said in a statement posted on Instagram. “I found myself reading Dr King’s speech from the National Cathedral and asking myself is this 1968 or 2017?”

lol. For one thing, since Bono was just a kid in the 60's, we have trials in 2017. In 1968 you have mayors like Mayor Richard J. Daley of Chicago telling reporters that he had ordered police "to shoot to kill any arsonist or anyone with a Molotov cocktail in his hand . . . and . . . to shoot to maim or cripple anyone looting any stores in our city."

I know it might run contrary to some people's preconceived notions about what happened and why, but the complete verdict is available to read online.

http://www.stltoday.com/read-the-verdict-in-the-jason-stockley-murder-case/pdf_57b2d12c-83d8-53a0-ba1f-18b659a7e569.html

@Kuya: Thanks for posting the link. Just scanned it and read the article. I think everyone should pause and read the actual verdict.

One step closer to the brink. I wonder when the apologists for institutional racism will open their eyes.

The trial was about him being shot.

And about the cop planting a full revolver in the car which would be pretty darn difficult to conceal under his uniform. Since the vast majority of heroin dealers carry weapons of course. Give me a break.

What a silly demand to make.

Why? You are so confident, obviously you should know how many times this happens according to you.

"Throughout the U.S., police have been accused of using aggressive driving tactics to "rough suspects up", resulting in numerous injuries, and millions of dollars of damages awarded to victims and their families."

Ok, so now you're back to quoting Wikipedia on alleged police brutality?

The trial was about him being shot. If he were alive then I'm guessing he'd be charged with drug dealing if that's what he does. If he were a doctor with a perfect record would you think the cop might be guilty or something?

I see, so it's back to smearing every police officer as being rogue and out of control because they are all racists. So what about Black cops, what do you call them when they shoot a Black suspect?

A cop just doing his job?

Says who? I posted a half dozen links from various left wing news organizations showing them describing the violence from the group and condemning them. What are you seeing in the left wing sites you frequent?

Ok, so you agree with me that the ANTIFA are a violent aggressive and dangerous group, that many on the left refuse to acknowledge for some bizarre reason.

bass4funkSep. 17  05:25 pm JST

That's an argument that's a little hard to take seriously so long as the "idiots" keep getting acquitted for murdering innocent people of color.

Running from the police is an idiotic move and a monumental mistake, regardless of color. You can can get up to 5 years just for doing that.

Right. The law allows 5 years. It doesn't allow execution. It is not a capitol crime to run from police. Unless you're black, apparently.

This is what institutional racism means. It's not that the entire institution is racist, but it has mechanisms that produce racist outcomes.

Right. The law allows 5 years. It doesn't allow execution. It is not a capitol crime to run from police. Unless you're black, apparently.

But again when a Black police officer kills a Black suspect which happens quite frequently is that Black person equally as racist or was he just doing his job? I'm kinda confused here.

This is what institutional racism means. It's not that the entire institution is racist, but it has mechanisms that produce racist outcomes.

I'm not buying it, especially these days where the police are under a microscope, they sneeze the wrong way, they'll get slammed with a racist lawsuit, they have to walk on egg shells to the point where they have been greatly handicapped from doing their jobs and the thugs have been taking advantage of that and believe they are entitled and have the right to assault, rob, attack or kill anyone that doesn't see it their way and as always to make an excuse to shut down any argument or debate we have to throw in the racist card.

I just find it interesting that in Chicago where the murder rate is the highest in the nation and you have out of control Black on Black crime and also you have a lot of Black officers that were involved in shootings, but the MSM never talks about it, makes NO mention of it, goes under the radar.

Gee. I wonder why?

they sneeze the wrong way, they'll get slammed with a racist lawsuit, they have to walk on egg shells to the point where they have been greatly handicapped from doing their jobs

Killing black people is not a job.

This is merely a continuation of slavery/peonage - keep the black population in fear and demonise them when they get upset that they are treated as subhuman.

Killing black people is not a job.

So when a White person gets killed by a White cop, what is that or when a White person gets killed by a Black cop, what's that? Can you please put your best spin on that conundrum?

This is merely a continuation of slavery/peonage - keep the black population in fear and demonise them when they get upset that they are treated as subhuman.

You have got to be kidding me! So now Whites are holding Blacks down as in institutionalized slavery? Are you serious?!!

So when a White person gets killed by a White cop, what is that or when a White person gets killed by a Black cop, what's that? Can you please put your best spin on that conundrum?

Certainly. That's called obfuscation. In terms of debate, it's a diversion tactic. Like when the new slavery or peonage is discussed, it's pointed out that there were white people on the receiving end, as well. As if it makes it all fine and dandy.

The oppression of black people didn't suddenly end after the civil war. Indeed, after a brief euphoric spell, it got much worse, with black people being arrested on false charges and sold on to work off their debts. And when it was time for release, they were re-arrested on the flimsiest of charges. And fast forward to today and still black people are being brutalised.

You have got to be kidding me! So now Whites are holding Blacks down as in institutionalized slavery? Are you serious?!!

Very but you misread my point - today's oppression is a continuation of what went before. It has merely evolved into the daily genocide that takes place on the streets of the disUnited States.

Certainly. That's called obfuscation.

Even when liberals flip the arguments around?

In terms of debate, it's a diversion tactic.

Yes, liberals are the master of that. When losing an argument, get out the race card.

Like when the new slavery or peonage is discussed, it's pointed out that there were white people on the receiving end, as well. As if it makes it all fine and dandy.

So all the Blacks in the NBA and NFL making millions and millions of dollars are oppressed people? Wow! I learned something new again.

The oppression of black people didn't suddenly end after the civil war.

But it did start with LBJ and his great society for Blacks.

Indeed, after a brief euphoric spell, it got much worse, with black people being arrested on false charges and sold on to work off their debts. And when it was time for release, they were re-arrested on the flimsiest of charges. And fast forward to today and still black people are being brutalised.

Yes, that was true, a long time ago and for the most part, that's history, you still have a few incidents here and there, but on a very small scale.

Very but you misread my point - today's oppression is a continuation of what went before. It has merely evolved into the daily genocide that takes place on the streets of the disUnited States.

Riiiiiiight.....

Yes, liberals are the master of that. When losing an argument, get out the race card.

Ah; the liberals. I see.

So all the Blacks in the NBA and NFL making millions and millions of dollars are oppressed people? Wow! I learned something new again.

I didn't realise we were including a small selection of millionaires who have a life far removed from ordinary people but yes, even high profile black people get harassment.

bass4funkToday  10:51 am JST

But again when a Black police officer kills a Black suspect which happens quite frequently is that Black person equally as racist or was he just doing his job? I'm kinda confused here.

Your hypothetical case is irrelevant to this actual case where an actual black suspect was murdered by a white police officer and acquitted by the institution.

I'm not buying it, especially these days where the police are under a microscope, 

You're willing to believe nearly any conspiracy theory involving the first black president of the United States and the first woman to win the popular vote in a US presidential election, but when a white officer states his intent to murder a innocent black man, is seen violating police procedure on camera, and then the weapon justifying his supposed self-defense killing of the innocent black man has the police officer's DNA evidence, but none from the supposed black owner, suddenly you "don't buy it"?

That's also a component of institutional racism.

@Kuya - it is nearly impossible to understand why you would be down-voted for merely posting a link to the trial transcript. Again I appreciate you posted that. Regardless of what people think at least this provides further information on the trial and verdict

I didn't realise we were including a small selection of millionaires who have a life far removed from ordinary people but yes, even high profile black people get harassment.

That be a whole lot of liberals and by the way, aren't most Black people liberal? At least they vote liberal.

Your hypothetical case is irrelevant to this actual case where an actual black suspect was murdered by a white police officer and acquitted by the institution.

No, you don't like the argument because you know you have nothing to stand on, the judicial system found him not guilty, so who are are you to say, the man is guilty when he had his day in court. The prosecution couldn't prove its case, they had their chance.

You're willing to believe nearly any conspiracy theory involving the first black president of the United States and the first woman to win the popular vote in a US presidential election,

No, but I do believe in Wikileaks and a lot of deception that has been coming out recently about the last administration, which to be honest isn't all that surprising to me.

but when a white officer states his intent to murder a innocent black man, is seen violating police procedure on camera,

So you see something the jury didn't see? Oh, please tell us.

and then the weapon justifying his supposed self-defense killing of the innocent black man has the police officer's DNA evidence, but none from the supposed black owner, suddenly you "don't buy it"?

I'm not sure, I wasn't there, it's not my call to pass judgement, who the heck am I to do that, I don't have the facts, I don't know either man, I don't know if the guy is a rouge cop or the suspect a shady criminal. The man was acquitted, so why should I slam the guy once again? He's already been through the system. It's finished, everyone needs to move on.

I wasn't there, it's not my call to pass judgement,

Unless you are smearing the dead black guy.

It's finished, everyone needs to move on.

Automatically generated reply to endless concerns about institutionalised racism within the various police forces.

Maybe people can "move on" when the killings abate?

Given what's been reported here and elsewhere in the Media, I would not like to be a "Cop" in the US.

First off, you're a target - not just because of your job, but maybe because of your skin Colour - if you're non-White, then to some, you're seen as a Traitor, and to others as an inside infiltrator. If you're White, then some will see you as a Racist - regardless what you do. And if you're facing a situation where you have to think twice about shooting someone who's shooting back at you, or appears to be armed, then you may wish to consider a Career change. Something is very wrong here. Being a Law enforcement person was supposed to be a something that was respectable, trustworthy, Now a days... ?

There is also a problem in the UK, I've personally encountered first hand the thug like nature of Policemen there - whilst doing absolutely nothing illegal. Perhaps it's just a behaviour that goes with the job in todays society. So, it's clearly not a job I would recommend.

Unless you are smearing the dead black guy.

Or the cop is being smeared? Which seems to be happening quite a bit these days.

Automatically generated reply to endless concerns about institutionalised racism within the various police forces.

Maybe people can "move on" when the killings abate?

How about criminals obeying the law, that would be a start and why is it no one mentions that part.