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"And if the system is as good as they say it is, then obviously they won't be able to vote" 

'They say'? Who's the 'they' this time. The ubiquitous 'they' only Trump and his conspiracy theory followers can identify, which might refer to the 'deep state', perhaps 'the media', one of their many other imaginary forces.

Trump's trying to 'rig the election'.

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Aah, the game begins. Election interference has started in earnest.

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everything came out from mouth makes no sense.

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How are our resident Trump supporters going to spin this one? If you watch his comments, he clearly wasn’t joking. Of course, he was barely intelligible, but he clearly encouraged people to vote twice.

https://youtu.be/8MTyiWFu4Rc

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Trump never fails to disappoint with his increasingly deranged statements. Now encouraging corruption in an election he attacks for corruption. I'm sure he doesn't see the irony - I doubt he can say it either as it has three syllables.

To "trump" this, the Attorney General seems uncertain whether this is illegal or not. Another man not fit for office.

https://theweek.com/speedreads/935580/attorney-general-barr-wont-agree-illegal-vote-twice-trump-urged-claims-ignorance-state-laws

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The dangerous and disgraceful head of the “And we’ll see what happens” Administration just doesn’t know when to stop his nonstop campaign of spewing fake news, disinformation and misinformation.

One more proof he is not fit to be President of the United States of America (POTUS) for one term and even less for a second one.

The damage done to We the People of the United States of America is beyond description.

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"On Election Day, or Early Voting go to your Polling Place to see whether or not your Mail In Vote has been Tabulated(Counted)," Trump wrote. "If it has you will not be able to Vote& the Mail In System worked properly. If it has not been Counted, VOTE."

On first read this advice seems to be flawed as your vote may not have yet been counted when you make the enquiry.  But the main drive is to get you to vote twice and then Trump can shriek I told you so!  One thing I do agree with Trump on is the upcoming US election will be fraudulent.   And the source of this fraud is none other than Donald trump himself.  This is the sort of thing that happens in a Banana Republic.

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Trump: "On Election Day, or Early Voting go to your Polling Place to see whether or not your Mail In Vote has been Tabulated(Counted)," Trump wrote. "If it has you will not be able to Vote& the Mail In System worked properly. If it has not been Counted, VOTE."

Sounds reasonable.

"The president is not suggesting anyone do anything unlawful," White House spokeswoman Kayleigh McEnany told Fox News Channel on Thursday. "What he said very clearly there is make sure your vote is tabulated and if it is not, then vote."

Exactly, exactly.

This universal mail-in balloting is a recipe for fraud. The attorney general is right:

Barr interview gets tense when pressed on mail-in voting

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dC6PxLJ3dDU

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Trump eagerly accepting Russian active support and involvement, dismantling the US Postal Service right before a presidential election and now Trump is encouraging people to break the law by voting twice. It's crystal clear to everybody what he's trying to do.

Yet, the Republican controlled Senate is the silent witness as they hold their tongues. Shame on you all!

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Fun fact: Voting twice intentionally or even trying to is against the law in every state and in NC, it’s a felony. It’s also a federal offense.

Inducing others to vote twice or to try to vote twice is also a crime.

Trump just committed a crime. Period. Full stop.

Today he and is “press secretary” tried to clean it up but they seem to forget this new-fangled technology called video.

We all watched him encouraging his supporters to vote twice.

Bonus fact: The rate of mail-in ballot fraud in the states that allow it is 0.0025%!

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Moron.

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Fun fact: Voting twice intentionally or even trying to is against the law in every state and in NC, it’s a felony. It’s also a federal offense.

Yep!

Trump just committed a crime. Period. Full stop.

Nope! You must have missed this:

Trump: "On Election Day, or Early Voting go to your Polling Place to see whether or not your Mail In Vote has been Tabulated(Counted)," Trump wrote. "If it has you will not be able to Vote& the Mail In System worked properly. If it has not been Counted, VOTE."

"The president is not suggesting anyone do anything unlawful," White House spokeswoman Kayleigh McEnany told Fox News Channel on Thursday. "What he said very clearly there is make sure your vote is tabulated and if it is not, then vote."

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First voter suppression now voter fraud.

But it's the democrats and liberals who are cheating this election right?

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Nope! You must have missed this:

Trump: "On Election Day, or Early Voting go to your Polling Place to see whether or not your Mail In Vote has been Tabulated(Counted)," Trump wrote. "If it has you will not be able to Vote& the Mail In System worked properly. If it has not been Counted, VOTE."

"The president is not suggesting anyone do anything unlawful," White House spokeswoman Kayleigh McEnany told Fox News Channel on Thursday. "What he said very clearly there is make sure your vote is tabulated and if it is not, then vote."

Republicans might not be very good at math... we saw that with the “largest ever inauguration”... but seriously... it’s two.

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He puts the POS in POTUS.

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A criminal encouraging criminality from his supporters.

What a surprise!!!

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As the world watches on and cringes, and then laughs.

Any American with an ounce of brain should be ashamed to admit who their President is.

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Probably the number one reason I like Trump compared to Biden;

You are an American before you are White, Black, Latino, etc.

Democrats like to remind you that you are a victim and oppressed. I know lots of MAGA Blacks that get pretty anger when Biden voters try to tell them they are victims.

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Nope! You must have missed this:

"If it has you will not be able to Vote& the Mail In System worked properly. If it has not been Counted, VOTE."

Thanks, Serrano for highlighting the president's clear guidance to people to break the law by voting twice.

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Once again, Trump shows his complete contempt for his own supporters.

His COVID “policy” (if we can even call it that) and anti-mask stance have inevitably resulted in thousands of unnecessary infections and deaths.

Now, he’s advocating a policy that could land people in some serious legal hot water. Felonies might not matter to Trump with his army of lawyers and compliant senate, but the average person won’t have access to these resources.

It’s be the average MAGA Joe or Karen that in the end will pay the price for Trump’s actions. People refuse to see this pattern, or are in complete denial, or think it’s somehow worth it. Truly a sad situation.

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A sitting President openly suggesting voter fraud...suggesting his cult members commit a Felony.

I don't if it deserves a face palm, or a lol; maybe both.

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Nope! You must have missed this:

You must have missed the quote: "So let them send it in, and let them go vote"

That is encouraging people to vote twice, doesn't matter if the rational is that they are 'testing' the system to ensure the initial sent-in vote was counted. Do you really believe this is something that people should do?

Love that this McEnany is basically an interpreter for his nonsensical rhetoric.

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On Election Day, or Early Voting go to your Polling Place to see whether or not your Mail In Vote has been Tabulated(Counted)," Trump wrote. "If it has you will not be able to Vote& the Mail In System worked properly. If it has not been Counted, VOTE."

Putting aside the question of whether this is illegal, this is an incredibly stupid thing to tell his supporters to do. Do they all have a day of their lives to throw away while busy election workers spend hours tracking down paper ballots on election day to confirm what they already know?

Also, do they even count ballots before election day? I was under the impression that happened after?

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Don't the mail in ballots have a little "R" or a little "D" printed on the outside of the envelopes tipping off leaft leaning folks in the postal service who is voting for Trump and giving them the opportunity to misplace the ballots?

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Since trump has encouraged his support to vote twice, can we discount 50%% of republican votes.

Should be fair!!!

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On Election Day, or Early Voting go to your Polling Place to see whether or not your Mail In Vote has been Tabulated(Counted)," Trump wrote. "If it has you will not be able to Vote& the Mail In System worked properly. If it has not been Counted, VOTE."

Also, this IS encouraging someone to vote twice. Even if they find that their mail in vote hasn’t been counted yet, they would still be voting twice if they did what Trump said.

Definitely illegal.

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Serrano

Trump: "On Election Day, or Early Voting go to your Polling Place to see whether or not your Mail In Vote has been Tabulated(Counted)," Trump wrote. "If it has you will not be able to Vote& the Mail In System worked properly. If it has not been Counted, VOTE."

That is completely illegal. First of all how will you be able to check whether your mail in vote has been tabulated at a polling booth? Secondly, even if it hasn't been tabulated you absolutely breaking the law if you vote a second time. Period. No ambiguity here.

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a little "R" or a little "D" printed on the outside of the envelopes

In your country is mail-in voting allowed, and if so are parties identified on the outside of envelopes? I've never seen that in the US.

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@PTownsend According to the AP August 20th report "While it is not common for party designations to be represented on envelopes for general elections, it is very common for primary elections,” said Patrick, a former Arizona election official who now works with the Democracy Fund."

Not common does not mean does not occur.

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While Trump encourages the white supremacists to vote twice, many black Americans are NOT allowed to vote even once...Just search "Black Americans still face obstacles to voting at every step of the process". How evil and unfair. Speaking of which, this is the country who has invaded many other countries with the aim of bringing a US-style democracy. No wonder why there is still no peace in Iraq, Syria, Libya, Afghanistan....

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As a kid, I used to believe America was a country of scientific literacy, logical thinking, empathy, and just plain general greatness. Now, you've got anti-vaxxers, proud racists, people who believe the Earth is flat, and that big orange baby in the White House. How many lies can you justify, seriously?

Take a long look in the mirror, America. In a few weeks, you better vote. What's it gonna be?

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@John The US is the only country that I know of where people have to register to vote AND they are asked their political affiliation when they register. Of course there is an option for "independent" but most people check republican or democrat when they register. In most countries the independent election authority is responsible to numerate people and keep the voter roll up-to-date. Strange system.

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The system won’t allow it to happen, right?

So what’s the problem? No such thing as voter fraud it can’t happen! Dems say.

Unless the Universal mail in system checks dont exist because we never voted like that and people could vote twice.....?

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Trump: "On Election Day, or Early Voting go to your Polling Place to see whether or not your Mail In Vote has been Tabulated(Counted)," Trump wrote. "If it has you will not be able to Vote& the Mail In System worked properly. If it has not been Counted, VOTE."

It’s entirely possible that a mail-in vote, whether absentee, won’t have been counted by Election Day. This means the polling place wouldn’t know whether you have voted by mail. You would then vote at the polling place. Then, once your mail-in ballot is received, you’ve committed a crime.

Since only Trump’s supporters are stupid enough to follow his advice, I strongly encourage them to do so. It’ll result in even more criminals in the Republican Party who will then be felons and not able to vote in the future.

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Barr should lose his job too. When interviewed, he said he wasn’t sure what the legal angle was in some states.

voting twice is illegal in ALL states.

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Very smart tactic. It must of been Penges idea, trumps not that smart.

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Liberals meltdown. Trump was merely making a point. But in the Lib anal retentive world they just cant get it.

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Liberals meltdown. Trump was merely making a point. But in the Lib anal retentive world they just cant get it.

The point being to break the law. It’s the poorly educated who think Trump was just being sarcastic or simply making a point.

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It would please me to see Trump held accountable in court for his illegal actions. If this happens, it will be after he is voted out of office.

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He and his AG Barr will do whatever it takes to corrupt the electoral process.

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Do you know how to tell when the man-child is talking crap and lying? His lips move.

This unhinged liar is working up toward an insanity plea because he and his henchmen all know he's going to lose the election and will be hauled off to prison immediately.

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One of many voter suppression tactics in the US is providing insufficient polling stations in certain districts and making people queue hours on end to vote. This will only get worse if others turn up as requested and demand proof than their mail-in vote has been counted.

Let's have a chaotic election so we can discredit the result. This is truly end of empire stuff.

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So what’s the problem? No such thing as voter fraud it can’t happen! Dems say.

Exactly the point Trump is making. 

So Trump is trying to prove that voting fraud exists by getting his supporters to commit it.

Smooth.

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wasnt this the Dem plan and you are just mad because Trump publicized it so you cant do it?

The story last week was that isnt possible to vote twice. why the change of heart?

It’s entirely possible that a mail-in vote, whether absentee, won’t have been counted by Election Day. This means the polling place wouldn’t know whether you have voted by mail. You would then vote at the polling place. Then, once your mail-in ballot is received, you’ve committed a crime.

https://abc11.com/voter-fraud-non-citizen-voting-election-can-non-citizens-vote/6402999/

I mean yeah non citizens cant vote either! yet they did in North Carolina, multiple cases.

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Exactly the point Trump is making. We all know the Dems are pushing for mail in voting precisely because they can rig the election with it.

They rigged the last election according to Trump and Alex Jones. Millions of illegals voted and deprived him of the popular vote, but the sheer number of votes for Trump meant they couldn’t stop him winning the EC.

He said he’d get to the bottom of this.

How did it all pan out?

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wasnt this the Dem plan and you are just mad because Trump publicized it so you cant do it?

I’m not mad at all. It tickles me pink that Trump is encouraging his supporters to commit a felony. I fully endorse you and all the other Trump supporters to test the system in this manner.

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if it is not possible to do it, then there is no problem. Why are you concerned?

Its like asking someone to try to pull open a door that is locked. If it is really locked, it wont open. the "try to open it" just would confirm it is in fact, locked.

So Trump is trying to prove that voting fraud exists by getting his supporters to commit it.

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@Bass

The system won’t allow it to happen, right? 

So what’s the problem?

The biggest problem is that’s it’s illegal.

It doesn’t matter if the system does or doesn’t allow it. The law simply states that it is illegal to attempt to, or encourage others to, vote twice.

The other problem, of course, is the added stress it applies to the system because of all the additional, illegal, votes.

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Ah, how many times have we seen this from Dems? “Poorly educated, 

*After his Nevada win, Donald Trump preened and affectionately recounted the numbers that added up to his huge victory. “We won with young. We won with old. We won with highly educated. We won with poorly educated. I love the poorly educated," he said.*

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.independent.co.uk/voices/donald-trump-s-i-love-poorly-educated-isn-t-actually-bad-mantra-and-attacking-him-it-wrong-a6895026.html%3famp

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non citizens can vote and it is also possible for people to vote universal mail in -and- in person. 

Which will never be found out or found out long after the election and long after a winner is announced.

 Are we all in agreement now of what can happen?

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Sorry not @Bass but @Blacklabel

Even though but they probably agree anyway, I still apologize for the error!

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like when you mail ballots to people who didnt request them?

based off an outdated list of people who have died, moved or who may not be US citizens? The stress of receiving those type votes and one by one having to disqualify them before we have an election result?

The other problem, of course, is the added stress it applies to the system because of all the additional, illegal, votes.

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How will you know if your mail vote has already been registered, if and when you 'roll up' at the voting booth?

Will they be able to tell you, "No, you've already voted!"?

Hundreds of unnecessary people jamming the booths, demanding to know if their mail-in votes have been tabulated sounds like a recipe for disaster, i.e. sabotage of the voting booths.

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Isnt it a problem if they cant tell you that you already voted? Otherwise people can just vote as many times as they want, cant they?

Now do you see why it is insanity to do universal mail in ballots and also accept ballots by mail that arrive for up to 17 days after the in person voting is done?

Will they be able to tell you, "No, you've already voted!"?

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Isnt it a problem if they cant tell you that you already voted? Otherwise people can just vote as many times as they want, cant they

If you’re not smart enough to know you’ve already voted, you probably shouldn’t be voting. That said, the system will catch you if you try to vote multiple times. I strongly encourage you to test the system just like your president want you to do.

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The story last week was that isnt possible to vote twice. why the change of heart?

You're bending this issue into a pretzel. It's really not that difficult to figure out.

1) Cheating the system is very difficult, so voter fraud is very rare.

2) Trying to vote twice is illegal, even if done in the name of "checking if the system works".

3) When people try to vote twice (once by mail and once in person), they will almost always get caught, but not necessarily at the polling station.

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The pubs are starting to become unhinged with their conspiracy theories. And they’re stupid enough to think we’re stupid enough to believe the stupid things they’re stupid enough to believe.

Complete and utter morons. They’re responsible for the upcoming end of the American empire.

Expext armed militants and the army in the streets regardless of who wins in November. It’s inevitable.

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 strongly encourage you to test the system just like your president want you to do.

I thought the same thing at first, go ahead try it and see what happens. But imagine if thousands of people did this, it could throw the election off the rails - which is exactly what Trump wants. Remember him saying it could take 'months' or 'years' to know election the results.

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non citizens can vote and it is also possible for people to vote universal mail in -and- in person. 

Which will never be found out or found out long after the election and long after a winner is announced.

 Are we all in agreement now of what can happen?

Given that you think this system is so easily abused, it surely follows that you won’t accept the result no matter who wins.

November in the US could turn very ugly indeed.

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Expext armed militants and the army in the streets regardless of who wins in November. It’s inevitable.

This is sad, but highly likely.

The rightists would do well to remember that liberals in the US also have firearms and know how to use them.

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man oh man trump should have been led away in CUFFS long ago.........

He isnt just UN-American he is totally UN-Human!!

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GOP: We must have law and order.

Trump: Americans should all commit crimes.

GOP: Yes, we agree.

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Dissemble. Distract. Divide. Dark suits. Bad hombres.

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Well that's his way to checkmate the expected mail-in voting fraud, and ensure high majority vote in person..perfect!

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The rightists would do well to remember that liberals in the US also have firearms and know how to use them.

I rest my case.

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Trump and his Billy Barr echo chamber are already interfering in the run up to the election with their non-stop gaslighting and dissemination of false claims of "voter fraud" in a desperate attempt to limit mail-in ballots. Not satisfied with the public's skeptical reception of their loony tunes, loose cannon Trump is now dialing his shamelessness up to eleven by urging his supporters to illegally vote twice. We have already had to swallow the bitter pill of Trump's extraordinary immunity as Potus to prosecution. His get-out-of jail free card, "La loi, c'est moi", has only emboldened him in following his criminal bent and led him to make ever more outrageous pronouncements, which in turn must make many people wonder: is this piece of work even too dumb to impeach?

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What Will You Do if Trump Doesn’t Leave? Playing out the nightmare scenario.

On the evening of Nov. 3, Americans settle nervously in front of their screens to await elections results. In the early hours Donald Trump seems to be having an excellent night. Counting the votes cast at polling places, Trump is winning Pennsylvania, Wisconsin and Michigan.

Those states don’t even begin processing mail-in ballots untilElection Day, yet Trump quickly declares victory. So do many other Republican candidates. The media complains that it’s premature, but Trumpworld is ecstatic.

Democrats know that as many as 40 percent of the ballots are mail-in and still being counted, and those votes are likely to beoverwhelmingly for Joe Biden, but they can’t control the emotions of that night. It’s a gut punch.

As the mail-in ballots are tallied, the Trump leads erode. But the situation is genuinely unclear. Trump is on the warpath, raging about fraud.

Within weeks there are lawsuits and challenges everywhere. It’s like Florida in 2000, but the chaos is happening in many states at once. Ballots are getting tossed because of problems with signatures, or not getting tossed, amid national frenzy.

Trump says he won’t let Democrats steal the election and declares himself re-elected. It’s an outrage, but as when he used the White House for a campaign prop during his convention, who’s going to stop him?

A certain kind of Republican takes to the streets to enforce Trump’s version of events. According to research done by Larry Bartels of Vanderbilt, 50 percent of Republicans and Republican-leaning independents believe “the traditional American way of life is disappearing so fast that we may have to use force to save it.” Nearly as many believe, “A time will come when patriotic Americans have to take the law into their own hands.”

This will be the end of democracy in America. The GOP will consider it a resounding victory.

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/09/03/opinion/trump-election-2020.html?action=click&module=Opinion&pgtype=Homepage

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"On Election Day, or Early Voting go to your Polling Place to see whether or not your Mail In Vote has been Tabulated(Counted)," Trump wrote. "If it has you will not be able to Vote& the Mail In System worked properly. If it has not been Counted, VOTE."

This is perfectly reasonable. It's a measure to stop people voting twice by encouraging them to check whether their mail-in vote has been properly received by the electoral commission.

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Its a given with them that their supporters will be using the system to rig the election

The conservative Heritage Foundation, which has warned of the risks of mail voting, found 14 cases of attempted mail fraud out of roughly 15.5 million ballots cast in Oregon since that state started conducting elections by mail in 1998.

But what is upsetting the Dems is that their scheme has been called out....the opposition we can rest assured theyll not hesitate to resort to some easy voter fraud.

The most prominent cases of mail fraud have involved campaigns, not voters. North Carolina invalidated the results of a 2018 congressional election after state officials found that a Republican campaign operative had orchestrated a ballot fraud scheme.

Election experts say it would be nearly impossible for foreign actors to disrupt an election by mailing out fake ballots, a scenario floated by Attorney General William Barr.

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... invisible anarchists are all Trump has left. To see why, let’s talk about the real issues: the pandemic and the economy.

A few months ago the Trump campaign clearly hoped that it could put the coronavirus behind it. But the virus declined to cooperate.

It’s not just the fact that premature reopening led to a huge second wave of infections and deaths. Equally important, from a political point of view, has been Covid-19’s geographical spread.

Early in the pandemic it was possible to portray Covid-19 as a big-city, blue-state problem; voters in rural areas and red states found it easier to dismiss the threat in part because they were relatively unlikely to know people who had gotten sick. But the second surge of infections and deaths was concentrated in the Sunbelt.

And while the Sunbelt surge appears to be slowly subsiding now that state and local governments have done what Trump didn’t want them to do — close bars, ban large gatherings and require masks — there now appears to be a surge in the Midwest.

What this means is that by Election Day almost everyone in America will know someone who caught the virus, and will also know that Trump’s repeated promises that it was going away were false.

When it comes to the economy, all indications are that the rapid snapback of May and June has leveled off, with unemployment still very high. Friday’s employment report is likely to show an economy still adding jobs, but nothing like the “super V” recovery Trump is still claiming. And there will be only one more labor market report before the election.

Furthermore, the politics of the economy depend less on what official numbers say than on how people are feeling. Consumerconfidence remains low. Assessments by businesses surveyed by the Federal Reserve range from unenthusiastic to glum. And there just isn’t enough time for this to change much: Trump isn’t going to be able to ride an economic boom into the election.

And with travel and tourism way down, so that people can’t see the reality of other places with their own eyes, it may be especially easy for Trump to pretend that our big cities have turned into dystopian hellscapes.

So he needs to run against those invisible anarchists. What’s less clear is whether this lie will help Trump, even if people believe it. “America has gone to hell on my watch, so you must re-elect me” isn’t the greatest campaign pitch I can think of.

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/09/03/opinion/trump-democrats-cities.html?action=click&module=Opinion&pgtype=Homepage

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If I can vote twice then I should be able to vote three, four or even ten times. I like it! A battle of whose supporters are willing wait in line to go to the ballot box most often.

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He can’t hide his despotism!!

Your ‘law and order’ president compares shooting with golf strokes!

Seven of his closest advisers indicted!! Cohen, Flynn, Bannon, Manafort, Papadoulous, Gates (not Bill mind you) and that Stone creep! Indicted for breaking the law!

Come on Dumpsters, spin that. Attempt to defend the indefensible... and ... go.

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I think this is a great idea for Trump supporters. Give it a try

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What Will You Do if Trump Doesn’t Leave?

When this question pops up, paranoia takes over many people, but nobody need lose any sleep over Trump's refusal to leave the Lincoln Bedroom. Granted, Trump's bully-boy authoritarian bent would be alarming in another country and in another time, but as we are informed every February, every year: "The state of our union is strong!" The guy who's terrified of an American Bald Eagle would be compliant and leave like a lamb if the Feds came for him.

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This week Military Times came out with a poll of active-duty militaryfinding that 50 percent of them have an unfavorable view of the president (42 percent strongly disapprove) and only 38 percent have a favorable view. They support Joe Biden over President Trump by four percentage points — an extraordinary edge for a Democrat. In a 2016 poll using the same methodology, Trump led Hillary Clinton by nearly 2 to 1. Sixty percent of veterans voted for Trump in the election.

But the military’s rejection of Trump goes much deeper. In another section of the poll just published, those serving on active duty in the military:

Support renaming military bases — their military bases — now named for Confederate generals.

Believe, overwhelmingly, in the banning of the Confederate flag and similar symbols from military bases.

Do not see immigration, civil disobedience and the protest movement as major dangers to U.S. security, as Trump does. They rank those threats well below cyberterrorism, the Islamic State, al-Qaeda — and white nationalism.

If the worst happens, and Trump loses the election but tries to keep power by force, it’s clear that the U.S. military will not help him.

The poll of 1,018, conducted with Syracuse University, is somewhat limited because respondents, from Military Times’s readership, skew older and tend to be career-military types. But they were more than twice as likely to identify themselves as Republicans than Democrats — reflective of the military’s traditional conservatism.

Still, more than 59 percent of officers said they have a dim view of the president, with more than half saying they strongly disapprove. Among enlisted respondents, 47 percent said they have an unfavorable view, and under 39 percent have a favorable view.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2020/09/03/us-military-builds-bulwark-against-trump/?hpid=hp_save-opinions-float-right-4-0_opinion-card-b-right%3Ahomepage%2Fstory-ans

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Another day & Trump has once again successfully made the left lose their minds.

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Blacklabel

if it is not possible to do it, then there is no problem. Why are you concerned?

It's like telling someone that the bottles in a liquor store are tagged to stop people stealing them. But you should try and steal something just to see if the tags work. So they go into the store and put a bottle of whiskey in their bag and walk out the store.

The alarm goes off and the security guard comes over and asks why you are stealing the whiskey. "No, it's OK. I wasn't stealing the whiskey, I was just checking to see if the security system worked. So you can let me go"

See how that works out for ya...

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The fake news is going in overdrive.

Trump encouraged people to check if their mail vote got lost, and vote if it did get lost.

But the interesting aspect here is that the media now says mass mail voting allows people to vote twice, while until now the narrative was that mail voting was completely fraud-proof.

So, is mass mail voting safe, or not?

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This is perfectly reasonable. It's a measure to stop people voting twice by encouraging them to check whether their mail-in vote has been properly received by the electoral commission.

Actually it’s not reasonable at all!

Even temporarily putting aside that it’s illegal, Trump knows that many many mail-in votes won’t have been counted by when a person arrives to “check the system”. To insure this he has purposely tried to slow mail delivery and, the added number people asking a question that can’t be answered yet at the polling station, will add additional chaos.

When someone finds out they can’t get an answer about their mail-in ballot yet I guess they will feel only thing left for them to do is to try to vote illegally a second time. Of course only the first vote registered will be counted so there won’t be two votes. Just one vote, one crime, and a lot of chaos! Trump seems to support 2 out of 3 of those!

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A new tact, not necessarily effective or will be actualized or come to fruition. For a similar remark: Barbara Bush: "Be like our family. Vote early and vote often." Which, of course, was a joke, but then again not, if one recalls Bush aka Shrub winning Florida under less than decorous circumstance and hence the presidency.

Corruption in US elections is not something new: JFK famously won Illinois after the 'interference' of a criminal organization in the pay of his Father. LBJ, won his first election when the building holding ballots favoring his opponent mysteriously burned to the ground and went uncounted. Jim Crow Laws require Blacks to pay a poll tax and pass a literacy test. And of course, the contemporary version of the new Jim Crow that prevents voting or makes the process so onerous as to block individuals from voting.

Trump he is akin to a Borsch Belt comedian, with his outlandish and intended or not entertaining balderdash. Does anyone seriously 'think' Trump's strategy to win North Carolina is based on: vote twice? Essentially he is constructed one of his Trumpisms, a weird critique of ballot by mail, which is akin to bait and switch or a shell game. He's a huckster and a con man playing to a very specific audience. That audience does not include potential Biden supporters.

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I could attempt to vote 3 times.

a) Absentee voting

b) Early voting

c) Election day voting

Only 1 vote would be counted due to the way voting is tracked. On election day, my name wouldn't be on the list in the precinct without an ink mark through it already, if it was even on the list.

Trump should be tried and convicted for inciting illegal activities. Because he asked lots of people, that should make it a "conspiracy" charge. Lock him up. This isn't something to ever be joked about and he needs to be held accountable.

Each state has different laws, but Delaware has this:

(2) Intentionally practices any fraud upon any elector to induce the elector to deposit a ballot as that elector’s own vote and to have the same thrown out and not counted, or to have the same counted for a person or candidate other than the person or candidate for whom such elector intended to vote; or

shall be fined not more than $200 or imprisoned not more than 2 years, or both.

19 Del. Laws, c. 39, § 44; Code 1915, § 1803; Code 1935, § 1892; 15 Del. C. 1953, § 5138; 70 Del. Laws, c. 186, § 1.;

So, even if that happens to 1 charge in each state, that should be sufficient to have him jailed for the rest of his life.

If enough Democrats did it, then said the "President told them to do it", that would certainly bring sufficient cause for charges against .45.

This isn't a joke. Lock him up.

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Another day & Trump has once again successfully made the left lose their minds

The exact talent we want in the leader of our country

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He's so deep into dementia, he doesn't even know he'd telling his flock to go commit a felony....

Well, it's clear now - whether its infecting them at his COVID rallies or telling them to commit a crime, Donald is doing his best to thin out his supporters before Nov...

And they are so blinded, they still support him...

Pure definition of a cult...just study Jim Jones...

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Seapig

Even temporarily putting aside that it’s illegal, Trump knows that many many mail-in votes won’t have been counted by when a person arrives to “check the system”.

All that was addressed in the press conference from which a picture is shown in the article. Watch it.

But the interesting question remains: Do you think it is so simple to double-vote with mass mail voting? Were we not told all the time that it was completely safe? So which one is it now?

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The poster didn’t claim either was okay,

He didn’t have to, just pointing out the facts. Don’t tell me, tell the Democrat party.

The rightists would do well to remember that liberals in the US also have firearms and know how to use them.

Yes, the rich liberals will have their security protect them and they have enough money to buy them whatever they need.

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Zaphod

The fake news is going in overdrive.

Trump encouraged people to check if their mail vote got lost, and vote if it did get lost.

In most states this isn't possible because they don't start counting until after polls are closed. So basically he's telling them to do something that is not possible.

But the interesting aspect here is that the media now says mass mail voting allows people to vote twice, while until now the narrative was that mail voting was completely fraud-proof.

Actually, the media does not now say mass mail voting allows people to vote twice. They are saying that it is illegal.

So, is mass mail voting safe, or not?

Yes. States have been doing mail in voting for years with no problems.

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But the interesting question remains: Do you think it is so simple to double-vote with mass mail voting? Were we not told all the time that it was completely safe? So which one is it now?

Nice try but no where did I say it was simple to double-vote. I said that if the person’s mail-in ballot had been counted he wouldn’t be able to have an in-person vote counted. If the mail-in ballot had not been counted when he visited and voted in-person then then in-person vote would be counted and the mail-in ballot discarded.

What I did say is that it is illegal for a person to try to vote twice. Knowing that many mail-in ballots won’t have been counted while the polling stations are open encouraging voters to make that inquiry is just to create chaos at the stations and, if the person actually votes knowing he already mailed in a ballot, it is a crime.

Like I said the result will be one vote, one crime, and chaos. We know Trump supports two of the three.

The fact that Trump is encouraging his supporters to potential commit a crime is something that he should be held accountable for doing. According to the law that is also a crime.

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Don't the mail in ballots have a little "R" or a little "D" printed on the outside of the envelopes tipping off leaft leaning folks in the postal service who is voting for Trump and giving them the opportunity to misplace the ballots?

No, they do not.

There are 2 envelopes. The outer one has ballot and name tracking. The inner one is without any marks that would compromise the anonymous vote. There are always 2 workers checking each other's work for everything related to voting.

Also, most states have drop-off locations for ballots, so the mail doesn't need to be used if you don't trust it. The USPS is really very trustworthy. We don't worry about sending cash in b'day cards in the US, at least not in middle class neighborhoods. In the last 40 yrs, 3 letters have been lost in the USPS for me. That's across a bunch of cities and different states. On average, we probably get 3-5 mail items daily. Japan's subway is late more often.

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He didn’t have to, just pointing out the facts. Don’t tell me, tell the Democrat party.

No, you weren’t pointing out facts, you were asking a question as if the original poster had implied there was a question that needed to be asked.

Yes, the rich liberals will have their security protect them and they have enough money to buy them whatever they need.

Yes. You seem to be disparaging the job creators.

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Whenever Trump speaks i expect him to say, "Person Woman Man Camera Tv"

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No, you weren’t pointing out facts,

I was.

Yes. You seem to be disparaging the job creators

No, because I’m one.

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Arrest him now, before it's too late. He's advocating illegal voting practices.

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Another day & Trump has once again successfully made the left lose their minds.

Another new cult narrative - to be concerned over illegal voting practices is a sign of mental illness.

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Great! That means capitalism is working for them as well.

It means some people aren’t being accurate about themselves.

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It means some people aren’t being accurate about themselves.

Judging by the polls, seems liberals aren’t.

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Vote early. Vote often. And who wants to take away the voting rights of the deceased?

These are very traditional themes... Well, yes, corrupt... but traditional.

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