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Trump ends 'Dreamer' immigration program; places onus on Congress

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dream about getting a proper visa you criminals

-18 ( +16 / -34 )

What's ironic is that most of the Dreamers are better Americans and harder workers than the majority of Trump supporters. What a coward. He didn't even have the guts or decency to do it himself, so he picked another huge racist from the many in his administration, Sessions, to make the announcement. Pathetic.

9 ( +27 / -18 )

What's "Pathetic" here, is that people are allowed to STAY in the USA; simply because:

"Oh, well, we've BEEN living here (ILLEGALLY) for YEARS.

THAT'S the Pathetic part.

-6 ( +22 / -28 )

But White House spokeswoman Sarah Sanders said, "It's not cold hearted for the president to uphold the law."

Funny how when it comes to brown-skinned immigrants who haven't done anyone any harm, this administration is all like, "The law is the law is the law." But when it comes to white bigot sheriffs who have humiliated, tortured, and ruined the lives of thousands of people who don't deserve it, suddenly these exact same people are like, "Heeeey, wait a minute, we need to look at this situation with a little bit more nuance."

10 ( +21 / -11 )

I don't see the point of this. If these young people have grown up in America they have presumably received the same education as their 'legal' peers and are a potential asset to the country. Why throw that investment away? Why not put it to good use in making America 'great again'? (Whatever that means. A country that peevishly sticks it to young people on account of the actions of their less-than-white parents - on account of their being less than white - is not what any reasonable person could call 'great').

11 ( +21 / -10 )

I don't see the point of this.

Maybe if you were competing against low skilled immigrant labor (most DACA recipients) it would drive the point home. I don't mind if illegals take jobs that would otherwise go unfilled but American citizens need to be given priority status.

-11 ( +7 / -18 )

The Constitution gives Congress -- NOT THE PRESIDENT -- the authority to determine who may legally enter and reside in the United States. Even supporters of amnesty for illegal aliens agree DACA is unconstitutional. 

The Hiatus is over, time for Congress to get to work already. Even Obama new DACA was only a temporary fix and it wouldn't last.

11 ( +15 / -4 )

Dreamers are not citizens of the U.S.A. They should not be allowed to stay. When the new immigration procedures are signed into law, they should start over and come back just like everyone else.

-5 ( +12 / -17 )

Maybe if you were competing against low skilled immigrant labor (most DACA recipients) 

I tried to find google evidence that DACA recipients are typically 'low-skilled immigrant labor', but all I found was mention of young people being admitted to medical school, being typically bilingual and bicultural, having spent almost all of their lives in the US so that they are American in all but the paperwork. Some 20% are currently enrolled in college. I find it hard to imagine that people like this are typically competing for low-skilled jobs.

If you have any concrete data to support your claim that most DACA recipients are low-skilled immigrant labor, I'd be interested to see it.

12 ( +20 / -8 )

Funny how when it comes to brown-skinned immigrants who haven't done anyone any harm, this administration is all like, "The law is the law is the law."

Has nothing to do with the color of your skin, Dreamers are living in the U.S. illegally, Congress needs to fix it, Obama gave this challenge to Trump as he new DACA was only a temporary fix. Dreamers should be pissed off at the U.S. Congress, not Trump or Obama.

-11 ( +8 / -19 )

It is not cold-hearted for the president to uphold the law.

Clearly it is.

Also petty and vindictive. If he thinks this move will help in the slightest to alleviate the major problems facing the US, then he's even less bright than his tweets show him to be.

14 ( +19 / -5 )

They are lower skill than the average American worker, mostly in office, sales or routine administrative jobs. They shouldn't be deported but citizens need to be given first chance at open positions as well as school admissions.

file:///C:/Users/Elizabeth/Downloads/DACA-Occupational-2017-FINAL%20(1).pdf

The Education and Work Profile of the DACA population

If you have any concrete data to support your claim that most DACA recipients are low-skilled immigrant labor, I'd be interested to see it.

-9 ( +5 / -14 )

Also petty and vindictive. If he thinks this move will help in the slightest to alleviate the major problems facing the US, then he's even less bright than his tweets show him to be.

So the POTUS should only take actions that address major problems? Next he will be accused of inaction.

※rolls eyes※

-13 ( +3 / -16 )

The vindictive part is scapegoating minorities so that underemployed white people will blame them for stagnant wages rather than top-heavy GOP economic policy. If we just got rid of all of these illegals then I'll finally make what I deserve....

Over half live in Texas and California, states that have 4.8% and 5.0% unemployment respectively. The others, totaling less than 400,000, are spread out over the remaining 48 states. All studies point to economic losses if you remove this group of people from the workforce.

But anyway, that's just sound economic research. Probably not much of a match for an emotional Trump supporter.

Heck, Trump tried to ban Muslim terrorists from countries that have produced no terrorists attacks in the US, so identifying a problem and solving it might not be their strong suit. We're trying to ban transgenders from bathrooms with zero attacks. And of course trying to require voter IDs in states where no one has been arrested for voter fraud.

Just keep them fearful and emotional white you strip away their healthcare, curb democracy, and give tax breaks to the rich.

Nothing to see here.

12 ( +17 / -5 )

Many young bright young kids who are unnerved and wondering how an unyielding USA has come to this. If nothing else, one would think people might care and have some empathy, but that idea left the building awhile back, with the harsh narrative driven Rush Limbaugh's and Fox News' washing feeble minds.

6 ( +10 / -4 )

Does his wife and children get exported?

6 ( +9 / -3 )

And by the way, will Trump be stopping his practice of importing cheaper foreign labor to work at his resorts? Seems those jobs should go to Americans first. You might also want to see stories of Trump using illegal workers or stiffing American workers, because - oh, never mind. The Dear Leader is not one to be criticized. Just bend over and keep your mouths shut.

10 ( +14 / -4 )

If nothing else, one would think people might care and have some empathy, but that idea left the building awhile back, with the harsh narrative driven Rush Limbaugh's and Fox News' washing feeble minds.

Trump did express empathy during the campaign but if he didn't kill the program first the courts were going to do it for him. And it isn't only about the current Dreamers as much as the precedent it sets. If they are allowed amnesty that is going to be the expectation of everyone here illegally.

-8 ( +4 / -12 )

Cricky: Does his wife and children get exported?

Whoops. Forgot about his wife that worked here illegally. Jeeze this is a long list.

So let's take it from the top. Trump knowingly uses illegal immigrants to build his buildings. Trump is known for stiffing workers, illegal or not. Trump's wife worked here illegally. Trump imports cheaper foreign workers into his resorts over Americans.

He shouldn't worry. His base will protect him.

17 ( +20 / -3 )

dream about getting a proper visa you criminals

Dream about the truth.

http://www.cbc.ca/radio/asithappens/as-it-happens-tuesday-edition-1.4275460/kicked-while-we-were-down-paramedic-who-saved-harvey-victims-faces-deportation-if-daca-ends-1.4275467

http://www.bbc.com/news/av/world-us-canada-41167896/daca-dreamers-harvey-hero-now-faces-deportation

Dream about the truth.

6 ( +10 / -4 )

Yawn at the Trump bashing - did you people read the article? Obama's program is unconstitutional. That means it was not legal. There is a general agreement on this by pretty much everyone.

Congress needs to make the laws. Let congress make laws. If they want to give amnesty to these people (And a great deal of them probably should receive some kind of amnesty or a way to attain permanent residence or citizenship), so be it.

You can't say this program was a good thing when it required the violation of the constitution by the president to enact it. Illegal laws are just as illegal as illegal immigrants, illegal is illegal.

-6 ( +7 / -13 )

Trump did express empathy during the campaign but if he didn't kill the program first the courts were going to do it for him. 

Trump showed empathy? ah...what? fake words on the teleprompter? The fact is, he kills a program, which should be continued on the grounds of human decency, alone. There is no factual basis that the courts were going to kick out dreamers, the narrative that it sets a precedent to allow anyone illegal to come into America, easily, is just that, a narrative, with no proof, at all. There are backers of anti-immigration Republicans who forced Trump's hand as many in Trump's hardline conservative white core argue that Daca is unconstitutional and illegal and threaten American jobs and culture, but it isn't supported by many Republicans, like Ryan, McCain and the majority of national politicians of Republicans do not support it. They have decency, and want what is right for people, unlike Trump supporters, who do not care about people, and consistently show bigotry, racism and lack respect for the human condition.

2 ( +6 / -4 )

None of this is even about Trump. Obama implemented something he knew was illegal and temporary.5 years has passed and these people are getting up to 2 more years. That was way longer than temporary should have been.

Whats with all the Dems and liberal biz people calling this "cruel". Was this one of their collaborative talking points? Obama is the cruel one as he gave these people hope when legally there is none.

all the protestors yelling in Spanish wasn't very good optics either.

-5 ( +6 / -11 )

What's ironic is that most of the Dreamers are better Americans and harder workers than the majority of Trump supporters. 

How would you personally know this? You met all 64 million people? You get around.

What a coward.

No, even Obama said, this was supposed to be temporary, but the Dems tried to stretch it out and expand it. Good on Trump to do this. This was most definitely one of the best things he could have done as the president.

He didn't even have the guts or decency to do it himself, so he picked another huge racist from the many in his administration, Sessions, to make the announcement. Pathetic.

Not his job, he doesn't have to and even if he did announce it himself, you would have called him a coward or used other colorful words, but in all seriousness, this falls into the lap of congress, they have a 6 month grace period to permanently fix this so let's see what they got.

Whoops. Forgot about his wife that worked here illegally. Jeeze this is a long list.

Ahhhh, kinda like was Obama born in the country rumor deal, I see.

So let's take it from the top. Trump knowingly uses illegal immigrants to build his buildings. Trump is known for stiffing workers, illegal or not.

He said, he didn't know. Can you prove he did? Maybe he did know, maybe he realized he was wrong, people do change or does that only apply to liberals? Just curious.

He shouldn't worry. His base will protect him.

I think the man doesn't need anyone to protect him, he's proven that time after time.

-9 ( +5 / -14 )

Obama once called his predecessor un-American for running up half the deficit he did during his own presidency. Usurping his Constitutional powers by assuming the role of the Executive and the Legislature - now that is un-American.

Obama knew that he did not have authority to unilaterally make immigration law. But he did it anyway. Listen to him in his own words.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=hBVl63yTmkI

DACA would have been overturned by the Supreme Court just as DAPA was thrown out by the courts. Now Congress has a chance to decide if they want to grant the adult children of illegal aliens amnesty. That's the proper place to resolve the disposition of millions of illegal immigrants. Obama was a wannabe dictator. The more of his executive degrees that are tossed in the trash the better.

-4 ( +6 / -10 )

People should be thanking Trump for the 6 month delay and the opportunity for Congress to do something. He could have just left it to the courts to find it unconstitutional.

Seriously Obama knows it's illegal what he did but then makes a statement that a Trump doesn't HAVE to do this? Yes he does, he needs to follow the law. Unlike Obama who decided to pick and choose which laws he liked.

-8 ( +6 / -14 )

America is a signer of some International Treaties that protect families from being divided up by merely national laws. I am no expert, but i heard tell of the Helsinki Convention--?--or was it the Geneva Convention--? Can anyone working on this help the government to keep its promises and so stay legal?

-2 ( +2 / -4 )

People are forgetting that congress declined to make this program a law. But Obama right after that said he knows he can't do this all by himself then did anyway by giving legal rights to illegals.

Imagine how Dems and libs would have reacted when Congress didn't pass Obamacare repeal and replace and the Trump just implemented it anyway based on personal feelings. Same thing.

-9 ( +3 / -12 )

bass4funk: How would you personally know this? You met all 64 million people? You get around.

He might have used the same technique you did to decide that renting to any black person in NYC was too risky, so it's best to ban them all. Either that or you personally met every black person in NYC.

7 ( +10 / -3 )

One thing being missed too is that the illegal parents who brought their kids to the USA illegally are probably still here illegally too.

So when the Dreamers leave their illegal parents can also return with them. That is the humane thing to do in order to keep the family together. The parents do have roots and other relatives still in the child's country of birth and can help them adjust.

-8 ( +4 / -12 )

Another problem for administration workers to consider when drafting the real law about this is the Constitution's rejection of all ex-post-facto laws. This is not a right special to citizens, but a restriction of all legislating.

1 ( +2 / -1 )

72% of Americans support Trump's action, according to Pew Research. That's called "democracy." Get used to it.

-3 ( +5 / -8 )

He might have used the same technique you did to decide that renting to any black person in NYC was too risky, so it's best to ban them all. Either that or you personally met every black person in NYC.

What? Liberal humor? Liberal logic?

-9 ( +3 / -12 )

They are lower skill than the average American worker, mostly in office, sales or routine administrative jobs.

Your original point was about low-skilled labor, not 'the average American'. I'm not familiar with the US labour market; is the 'average American worker' low-skilled and low-paid?

From your link (after I googled it, you seem to have provided a (fortunately inaccessible) link to your own hard drive) -

*The small number and share of DACA participants in the labor force, alongside their occupational dispersal (discussed below), suggest they are not likely to have had a meaningful impact on the employment and wages of other U.S. workers.*

*the effects of job competition are minimal for *immigrants with a high school or greater education—a group comprising almost all DACA participants. 

Sorry, but I don't see any concrete evidence there that most DACA recipients are low-skilled immigrant labor, quite the opposite, in fact. The report reaches the conclusion that the termination of the DACA programme would likely reverse upward mobility in the workforce for the young immigrants affected, making them more likely to compete with the low-paid American workers at the bottom of the pile.

8 ( +11 / -3 )

But meanwhile Mexico is starting a benefits program for the returnees.

To that end, the Mexican government announced a series of benefits for returning DACA recipients, including a job bank, scholarships and a youth credit program.

Wow, the freebies never stop for certain groups of people.

-10 ( +3 / -13 )

I'm just happy that Trump finally killed this program. Now we can focus on taking care of Americans and the people that came to this country and followed all the laws and procedures to become new and legalized American citizens.

-4 ( +7 / -11 )

http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/feds-30-surge-in-illegals-losing-daca-freedom-for-crimes-gang-violence/article/2632820

Most DACA terminations were based on the following infractions (not ranked): alien smuggling, assaultive offenses, domestic violence, drug offenses, DUI, larceny and thefts, criminal trespass and burglary, sexual offenses with minors, other sex offenses and weapons offenses."

2,139 DACA recipients have had their status revoked for criminal acts since 2013. But according to Obama they are all innocent kids who are also entrepreneurs and scientists and military members?

-6 ( +3 / -9 )

72% of Americans support Trump's action, according to Pew Research. That's called "democracy." Get used to it.

Nope, not true. In fact, its the exact opposite. Here is what Pew research finds:

http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2017/01/06/less-than-half-the-public-views-border-wall-as-an-important-goal-for-u-s-immigration-policy/

Perhaps you meant Democracy inaction?

4 ( +8 / -4 )

Trump and Sessions need to lie in order to sell this as somehow compassionate. According to Sessions:

"The effect of this unilateral executive amnesty, among other things, contributed to a surge of unaccompanied minors on the southern border that yielded terrible humanitarian consequences."

False. The surge began in 2008. DACA was implemented in 2012 and is applicable only to minors who were continuously present in the US between 2007 and 2012.

And from Trump:

*"I do not favor punishing children, most of whom are now adults, for the actions of their parents. But . . ."*

That but (and it's a big one) says it all. Trump does favor punishing children for the actions of their parents. That's what this action is about.

7 ( +9 / -2 )

Nothing about Trump. He is simply ending an illegal Obama program that he is required to end in order to comply with the law. If he did nothing, the courts would end it. Then it would be much less compassionate as people wouldnt have 6 months- 2years to get ready to leave, assuming Congress cant come to a legislative solution.

-5 ( +3 / -8 )

Nope, not true. In fact, its the exact opposite. Here is what Pew research finds:

How many of them were liberals vs conservatives and how many in total and from which part of the country? What demographics and what race, rich or poor?

I think a lot more Americans are happy with Trump's decision, but I know the liberals and especially the Silicon geeks hate it, I would assume.

Trump and Sessions need to lie in order to sell this as somehow compassionate. According to Sessions:

They need to What? Sessions and Trump seemed straight as an arrow to me. I think Obama and the Democrats lied when they promised DACA was supposed to be temporary and instead it morphed into the mess we are in now and the mess we have now.

That but (and it's a big one) says it all. Trump does favor punishing children for the actions of their parents. That's what this action is about.

Sad, but if you don't, you will leave the door wide open for abuse and the program needs to end. We need to have more compassion for the people of this country. That should always be the first priority.

-4 ( +4 / -8 )

As long as Obama or a democrat does it, it doesn't matter if it violates law because it's the popular thing to do.

Who needs things like congress and constitution and limits on presidential power when you can just do anything you like?

Of course, anyone who disagrees with that gets plenty of downvotes.

The law is the law, if you do not like it, change the laws. If you violate the laws, you start down the slippery slope.

-3 ( +5 / -8 )

Yeah the same people who were screaming about how 'unconstitutional' the so called travel ban was are suddenly silent on the unconstitutionality of this issue and want to talk about feelings instead.

-8 ( +3 / -11 )

How many of them were liberals vs conservatives and how many in total and from which part of the country?

Read the link, Bass.

I think a lot more Americans are happy with Trump's decision, but I know the liberals and especially the Silicon geeks hate it, I would assume.

And the majority of Americans, from both political parties. I am sure Trump's decision is pleasing to his core constituency of bigots, but that's about it.

Maybe that's why Donny didn't make the announcement and why Sessions didn't take questions from the press.

5 ( +7 / -2 )

Blacklabel: 2,139 DACA recipients have had their status revoked for criminal acts since 2013

So you're saying 0.2% have committed criminals acts and the other 99.8% haven't. Which is a conservative estimate since it uses the 800,000 dreamers today vs the rolling total since 2013.

Your article also mentions a "surge" in criminals in recent years. What it leaves out is the number of accepted people also surged in those years, so the pool is much bigger. The reporter knows this, but he's hoping you won't know the difference. In your case, he was right.

9 ( +11 / -2 )

Maybe that's why Donny didn't make the announcement

He wouldnt make the announcement, this is an issue of enforcement of the law which is the Department of Justice. Trump doesnt make the laws, or enforce them.

why Sessions didn't take questions from the press.

Why would he? the law is clear what the appropriate action is in this case. Any reporter questions would have been gotcha questions or emotional questions about feelings or individual cases that he cant comment on anyway.

-7 ( +3 / -10 )

We have discussed this many times. even ONE crime by someone who shouldnt be in the country in the first place is ONE too many. I dont want to hear that its not as much as citizens or that it is not much when calculated as a percentage of the whole group. The number of crimes committed by illegal aliens should be ZERO.

That is 2,139 people (at least) who were victims of a serious crime who shouldnt have been.

-6 ( +4 / -10 )

Whenever a US military person in Okinawa commits a crime, do any of you support that its ok because their rate of crime is lower than the general population in Okinawa? Do you take solace that its only 0.2% of the total military population there? No, most of you say 'remove all the US military from Okinawa, they are criminals who shouldnt be there!!!'

-4 ( +6 / -10 )

That is 2,139 people (at least) who were victims of a serious crime who shouldnt have been.

They were all serious crimes? How do you know that?

6 ( +9 / -3 )

I posted it:

*Most DACA terminations were based on the following infractions (not ranked): alien smuggling, assaultive offenses, domestic violencedrug offenses, DUI, larceny and thefts, criminal trespass and burglary, sexual offenses with minors, other sex offenses and weapons offenses."*

Which of these do you consider not 'serious' if you were the victim of it?

-4 ( +5 / -9 )

Murderers too:

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2015/mar/20/suspect-top-model-killing-approved-obamy-amnesty/

https://www.cnsnews.com/blog/michael-w-chapman/jamiel-shaw-my-son-was-murdered-dreamer-illegal-alien-3rd-gun-charge

Plus many more cases that you wont read because they were not covered by the mainstream media so the only online source is one that you wont find acceptable to your tastes (Breitbart, Daily Caller). Doesnt mean the murders didnt happen though.

-4 ( +5 / -9 )

Whatever we think about his motives, this is tactically astute politics.  Fulfilling a campaign pledge and giving congress a thorny issue to deal with.  If it ends in congress legalizing all these "dreamers" right to stay then he will be hailed as genius.  hehe.

1 ( +5 / -4 )

Got to get in one more comment before the moderator closes the thread.

Does his wife and children get exported?

If they're in the US illegally, then by all means!

-4 ( +0 / -4 )

Let's face it, DACA was a transparent attempt by the Democrats at gerrymandering votes.

One thing I'll say about Trump is this: I haven't seen Democrats this up in arms since Republicans took away their slaves.

-3 ( +5 / -8 )

Which of these do you consider not 'serious' if you were the victim of it?

When I read "serious," I think misdemeanor vs felony. Generally, property crimes (like theft) are not so serious. Likewise, a first time DUI conviction, for simple DUI, no accident etc., would not be considered a serious crime.

No, most of you say 'remove all the US military from Okinawa, they are criminals who shouldnt be there!!!'

Who is "you all?" I've never said such a thing, I certainly believe they have a right to be there. Also comparing US servicemen with criminals seems a bit over the top. Why even make that comparison? The fact is Dreamers/DACA commit crimes at lower rates than actual US citizens. https://www.cato.org/publications/immigration-research-policy-brief/dreamer-incarceration-rate

Probably because a conviction means one is likely to be deported for breaking the law or have their DACA renewal rejected.

4 ( +6 / -2 )

Let's face it, DACA was a transparent attempt by the Democrats at gerrymandering votes.

We can't do that, that's for Republicans to do, amiright?

Let's face it, reversing DACA was a clear attempt by Donald Trump at making America white again. Here's what Steve King, Iowa representative, white supremacist, and Trump supporter has to say about demographics:

Wilders understands that culture and demographics are our destiny. We can't restore our civilization with somebody else's babies.

https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2017/03/steve-king-nearer-the-throne/519336/

I'm sure Steve King is every bit as concerned about rule of law as perjurer, Jeffrey Beauregard Sessions, is.

4 ( +6 / -2 )

The coward couldn't even announce his decision to do it himself -- he sent whipped Sessions to do it because he knows it's political suicide. First, of course, he tried to blackmail Democrats into voting the for the wall that "Mexico will pay for" but that somehow needs to be funded by the US. Then when that failed, he said it's Congress' fault, even though most want to keep the program.

Trump is a coward, and a bigot.

3 ( +7 / -4 )

Trump should no longer able to say things like 'I'm the least racist person there is' or 'I have the biggest heart'. Followed by his supporters who need to stop claiming that 'All Lives Matter'.

Oh, the irony! Actions speak louder than words!

1 ( +4 / -3 )

ChicanoinjapanToday  12:56 pm JST

Trump should no longer able to say things like 'I'm the least racist person there is' or 'I have the biggest heart'.

Well, maybe he's not a racist personally. But he's very good at saying and doing things that make racists and bigots happy.

2 ( +5 / -3 )

blacklabel: Why would he? the law is clear what the appropriate action is in this case. Any reporter questions would have been gotcha questions or emotional questions about feelings or individual cases that he cant comment on anyway.

But why would any American, whether you support the President or not, actually support a President's position that he shouldn't have to answer questions about his policies? Makes no sense at all. It's a net loss for you right out of the gate. You're working against your own best interests, and you're doing it because you feel angry for a white billionaire with a history of racism and fraud. And sexism. It's all just so strange to me how Trump pulls this off.

bungle: Let's face it, DACA was a transparent attempt by the Democrats at gerrymandering votes.

This is a theory peddled by the right-wing media, just so you guys know. This came about as an answer to the question of, "Why would Democrats not support stronger voter ID laws?" And that narrative goes something like this:

Democrats want open borders (read Clinton transcripts). They want to flood the United States with illegals, and then they will get these illegals to the polls to vote for Democrats. The more, the better. Democrats do not want photo IDs in voting because it will make it more difficult for them to get their illegals to get to vote.

Since everyone knows getting an ID is easy, there's no other possible explanation.

The court cases that have struck down large number of new laws are ones that are presided over by liberal, radical, policy-making, overreaching judges who throw out the rule of law when their liberal ideals are challenged. And a man like Joe Arpaio is a hero for standing up to it all and dammit, just doing his job in the face of massive liberal overreach. Any polls that say differently are left-wing manufactured science.

So when you hear Trump say that 3 million illegals voted for Clinton, you start to understand why his base nods.

These 800,000 people aren't looked at as people. Republicans, and especially Trump fans, see them as a threat that must be removed. They will play up the crime angle despite low crime rates. They will tell you about economic hardship even though they are a net positive gain. Anything that vilifies this group is good for them, even if it's not true.

They will tell you that Democrats want to keep them here so they will vote Democrat. The goal is to keep them here to vote, then get them to sponsor as many friends and family as possible to increase the illegal voting. And that's pretty much what this is all about.

3 ( +5 / -2 )

 that he shouldn't have to answer questions about his policies?

Because its NOT his policy. He is simply enforcing the existing law and eliminating a temporary and illegal policy of his predecessor. If he starts taking all these questions and dealing with everyone's feelings is becomes his policy. Its not his, its Obama's. Has anyone asked Obama today why he did this knowing it was illegal? How does he feel about the results of his policy now?

He has given Congress 6 more months, in addition to the 8 months they have already had, to solve this problem. That is an act of compassion, and all that he can legally do, give Congress more time to make a law. If they dont, then these illegals need to leave.

-5 ( +3 / -8 )

Has anyone asked Obama today why he did this knowing it was illegal? How does he feel about the results of his policy now?

No need to ask 'anyone' to ask him, he's made his views very clear.

I suppose the public statements of past presidents don't make it into the bubble.

http://edition.cnn.com/2017/09/05/politics/obama-full-statement-daca/index.html

*because it made no sense to expel talented, driven, patriotic young people from the only country they know solely because of the actions of their parents, my administration acted to lift the shadow of deportation from these young people, so that they could continue to contribute to our communities and our country. We did so based on the well-established legal principle of prosecutorial discretion, deployed by Democratic and Republican presidents alike, because our immigration enforcement agencies have limited resources, and it makes sense to focus those resources on those who come illegally to this country to do us harm. Deportations of criminals went up. Some 800,000 young people stepped forward, met rigorous requirements, and went through background checks. And *America grew stronger as a result.

*Whatever concerns or complaints Americans may have about immigration in general, we shouldn't threaten the future of this group of young people who are here through no fault of their own, who *pose no threat, who are not taking away anything from the rest of us.

*Ultimately, this is about basic decency. This is about *whether we are a people who kick hopeful young strivers out of America, or whether we treat them the way we'd want our own kids to be treated.

1 ( +5 / -4 )

No, no. How does HE personally feel knowing that he screwed these people into giving up their personal information and making them believe they could stay in the USA forever? Seems now that he is only owning that they probably would never be deported because immigration is too busy to deal with their still illegal status.

All of that above is just him justifying his own decision so he can feel better about the illegal policy he created and the people he screwed over now as a result of it.

*pose no threat, who are not taking away anything from the rest of us.

Nice words, but untrue. Every person who went to school was accepted instead of someone else who applied. Every person who has a job was hired instead of someone else. So they did take educational and employment opportunities from others.

*Ultimately, this is about basic decency.

Basic decency is giving priority to the citizens of your own country FIRST.

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Every person who went to school was accepted instead of someone else who applied.

Also not true. You are assuming there is a fixed amount of seats. From connecting our world:

Fact: According to the National Immigration Law Center: Most undocumented students are likely to have zero impact on admission rates of native-born students: Since 2001, 10 states have made it easier for undocumented state residents to attend college by offering in-state tuition to those who qualify. A significant portion of the students that took advantage of this opportunity have done so to attend community colleges, which have open enrollment. The small numbers of students who will attend 4-year universities are not significant enough to affect the opportunities of others. The higher education community strongly supports this bill. Organizations including the American Association of Community Colleges, American Association of State Colleges and Universities, National Educators Association, the College Board, and many university presidents and chancellors support the DREAM Act.

http://www.connectingourworld.org/get-involved/reaching-for-a-dream/the-dream-act-myths-and-facts/

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Ok, most colleges have admissions criteria where people get accepted or denied. This organization with left leaning philosophies wants to make their point by using words instead of figures, which makes me skeptical. How many people are 'not significant enough to affect the opportunities of others?' 100? 1000? 10,000? If even one person is affected, its not significant? It sure is to that person affected.

I also dont agree with illegals getting in state tuition while citizens have to pay out of state tuition. But ok I guess their state passed a law or something to allow that, thats their right.

I had no idea that Apple, Microsoft and Facebook are hiring community college graduates, so I assume the 'small number' of students they reference who go to 4 year colleges must be all those people. So what about those jobs that were taken from US citizens? No US citizens wanted to work at those companies? I thought illegals only do the low paying jobs that 'Americans dont want to do'?

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Also my other question is that Apple says they have '250 Dreamers' working there. Not 248 or 251, but 250. Is this a quota of some type where only Dreamers could be hired? it seems highly unlikely that exactly 250 people, no more and no less, are part of this group of employees.

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The coward couldn't even announce his decision to do it himself -- he sent whipped Sessions to do it because he knows it's political suicide.

What? As if Trump ever cared what the left or right think about him. LOL

First, of course, he tried to blackmail Democrats into voting the for the wall that "Mexico will pay for" but that somehow needs to be funded by the US.

And the Dems tried to bully him into keeping the DACA program in place. Well, so much for that.

Then when that failed, he said it's Congress' fault, even though most want to keep the program. 

Trump is a coward, and a bigot.

Coward? Had he not done this, he definitely would have been a coward.

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bass4funk: "What? Liberal humor? Liberal logic?"

Actually, Strangerland was using YOUR logic. So, either that makes you a Liberal if you just chalk his comment up to liberal humour and/or logic, or just engaging in hypocrisy. Which is it? I look forward to the nervous "LOL".

"What? As if Trump ever cared what the left or right think about him. LOL"

Hahaha! There it is!

"Coward?"

Absolutely. And then fobbing off the blame on everyone else to boot. Notice how panicked you guys are and starting pretty much every statement with "Well/but Obama...". (notice as well that was not a question).

"And the Dems tried to bully him into keeping the DACA program in place. "

Actually, his own party wants him to, hence even the GOP is bashing him on this one, and that's why the coward asked Sessions to do it for him, and Sessions jumped up and down for his master and did it.

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“Give me your tired, your poor, your huddled masses yearning to breathe free.”

This offer does not apply to non-whites, liberals, scientists, climate change idiots or peace-niks.  And anyone who likes Hillary Clinton.  Or anything Obama did.

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otherworldlyToday  08:41 am JST

Has nothing to do with the color of your skin, Dreamers are living in the U.S. illegally, 

Funny, When Sheriff Arpaio's contempt of court conviction was pardoned by Trump, all the people here bleating "Bu-bu-but the law!" found all kinds of reasons to think the law didn't have to be followed.

This is straight-up bigotry, no question.

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This offer does not apply to non-whites

Never comfortable with that term, I feel that it implies that being white is something to aspire to and everyone else is secondary or an automatic default setting.

But otherwise; yeah.

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Actually, Strangerland was using YOUR logic.

Lol, yeah.....uh-huh...

"Coward?"

Hmmm...I guess we have a difference of opinions, I think the Dems and some in the GOP are cowards, big cowards in fact.

Absolutely. And then fobbing off the blame on everyone else to boot. Notice how panicked you guys are and starting pretty much every statement with "Well/but Obama...". (notice as well that was not a question). 

Yes, that's right because he was the previous president and you need to do a comparison, no different when you guys dragged on about Bush when he became president. Deal with it, we had to.

Actually, his own party wants him to,

Yes, they want and need the labor force and the Dems need to votes. Basically, the Washington establishment wants to keep the status quo intact when it comes to illegal immigration. That's not what the majority of Americans want, maybe California, they sure do.

hence even the GOP is bashing him on this one, and that's why the coward asked Sessions to do it for him, and Sessions jumped up and down for his master and did it.

Yawn, I don't think anyone cares what either party thinks that's why they have a 15% approval rating.

This is straight-up bigotry, no question.

I think it's bigotry keeping DACA in place as well as a disgrace to the American people.

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The law was followed as the power of presidential pardon is an has been proven constitutional. It was used hundreds if not thousands of times by all previous presidents and some even pardoned family members or people who were to testify against them.

Obama on the other hand implemented something illegal that he publicly admitted is not one of his presidential powers and that the lower court already said is unconstitutional.

I just wonder why people are in front of Trump Tower instead of in front of Obama's mansion. He is the one who lied to them, not Trump. Trump said from day 1 he was getting rid of this.

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Not attempting to give anyone a hard time, but DACA is an illegal program put in place by someone unworthy to hold the office whose actions were criminal but congress gave him a pass instead of impeaching him.

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Before we ask what is fair to illegal immigrants, we must also ask what is fair to American families, students, taxpayers, and jobseekers.

Exactly this.

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but DACA is an illegal program put in place by someone unworthy to hold the office whose actions were criminal but congress gave him a pass instead of impeaching him.

Because he's not a criminal and the program was not illegal. Highly contested (hello, southern states!) but not illegal. Good try, mind.

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Trump is just an idiot who is grasping at straws to accomplish something great! He thinks undoing Obama's achievements will make him seem better. The worse part is the hypocritical evangelicals supporters who hide behind their religion to justify their own racism, greed, selective ignorance, and immoral behavior. Some are simply delusional suffering from cognitive dissonance. The others like some republican congressmen realize that this is a freak show, but they want the black and brown people to lose like they have been for the last 8 years!

All out of spite! Very very unchristian like!

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Obama and that pesky Constitution...

Pushing DACA back to Congress makes them own the process. Congress doesn't really want the responsibility because then they get held responsible for their actions whatever it was. Congress prefers executive action because they can use any issue as a campaign issue that brings in money.

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Because he's not a criminal and the program was not illegal. Highly contested (hello, southern states!) but not illegal. Good try, mind.

http://thehill.com/homenews/news/349145-lewandowski-if-trump-scraps-daca-its-because-its-unconstitutional

Yeah, nice try.

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Trump is protecting their right to dream of reuniting with their families in their home countries, and becoming successful in their homelands. and making their home countries great again. He is definitely protecting their dreams. You aren't limited in your dreams only to the US. You can dream in Honduras, or Belize or Peru for that matter.

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follow the law or leave

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http://thehill.com/homenews/news/349145-lewandowski-if-trump-scraps-daca-its-because-its-unconstitutional

Yeah, nice try.

http://www.politifact.com/punditfact/statements/2017/jul/14/corey-lewandowski/lewandowski-wrongly-says-trump-florida-day-trump-t/

Ah yes, that Lewandowski.

Another one who's economic with the truth.

Nice try, though.

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Obama over stepped his authority. He specifically went against what Congress had directed. He did it (DACA Aug 15/2012) weeks before an election (reelected Nov 6/2012) in order to become more popular and gain votes. Only the most naive among us would believe he did it in order to help poor children.

I would like to see Trump show some mercy. Let those who have already been in the US since Obama's foolhardy actions on Aug 15/2012 remain under some form of permanent residence. Then close up the loop holes Obama created in a cynical attempt to buy votes with political favors. Illegal immigration is illegal. Get in line like everyone else.

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Repealing DACA in order to MAGA is a load of CACA.

-- Steven Colbert

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"Congress now has 6 months to legalize DACA (something the Obama Administration was unable to do). If they can't, I will revisit this issue!"

(Trump's Tweet)

Is there another broken promise coming again?

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800,000 people are going to self-deport?? Yeah, right. YOU are the dreamer here.

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bass4funk: Here we go again! I never said such a thing and you know it!

LOL. I believe your position was that you don't blame Trump for not renting to black people, and you'd do it as well. Then you listed hundreds and hundreds of words about black crime in NYC in the 80s, you talked about gang members, you listed specific black gangsters by name, you told me I couldn't possibly understand what it was like to live in NYC during that time. Then you said that it's not racist to have that position, it's just good business sense given the state of black people in that place at that time. Or maybe I missed the point of all of those disparaging remarks about black people you made. Maybe you were saying they are a horrible group of people as evidence that you should rent to them?

We weren't there, we don't know any of the plaintiffs and the witnesses involved and all the circumstances that came along with that. And remember, racism goes both ways.

I get your position. Maybe the doormen were lying. Maybe Trump employees were lying. Maybe the prosecutors were bribed. Maybe the secret shoppers were lying. Maybe the "C" marked on application for "colored people" was just a disgruntled Trump employee lying about that, too. Maybe Trump was just a nice guy and dozens of people decided in a coordinated effort to force a fake settlement case where Donald "I never settle" Trump agreed to make changes to his business practices. We just don't know. All we have is a well documented investigation, but that doesn't really prove anything.

So, darnit, we just can't use this as evidence of racism, something you've repeatedly asked for, because we just don't know if it's all just a made up thing by people racist against whites in a secret conspiracy that we have no evidence of. Yes, that's how far you'll go to defend a white guy from charges of discrimination.

And yes, that is the guy currently deciding the fate of minorities in the USA. What could possibly go wrong?

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Think of all the good sending these people illegally in the USA back to their birth nation will do for those nations? Certainly they have a heart and want to help. Imagine how they will flourish there.

Wish folks would stop blaming anyone except the parents. It is 100% the fault of the parents for forcing their children to be criminals along with themselves. Poor parenting.

BTW, this isn't about race. Someone born and brought here illegally from any country deserves the same treatment. Deportation. I'd actually put a life-time ban from returning too. Getting away with a crime for 5-30 yrs doesn't make that crime any less.

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theFuToday  04:19 am JST

Wish folks would stop blaming anyone except the parents. It is 100% the fault of the parents for forcing their children to be criminals along with themselves. Poor parenting.

The issue of fault is an irrelevant red-herring. DACA was a solution to the problem - removing the solution without first implementing something better means Trump is re-creating the problem. It doesn't matter who started it when you have the power to end it and used to end it but then decide you're not going to any more because you really need people who hate brown people to keep liking you.

BTW, this isn't about race. Someone born and brought here illegally from any country deserves the same treatment. 

We all know they're not going to get it though, because the same people who think ending DACA is a good idea are the people who think Sheriff Arpaio didn't do anything wrong when he violated the constitution and racially profiled people in his quest to victimize illegal immigrants.

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The issue of fault is an irrelevant red-herring. 

Fault is not only relevant it is essential. Let's be real here. If the Left did not really believe in the notion of fault they would not so profoundly believe in the notion of white guilt over something that hardly any white person alive today had anything remotely to do with.

The parents of the 800, 000 illegals covered by DACA in America are here and alive now and should be held to account for the massive problem they created and the tremendous lawlessness and internal divisions that have been created due to their actions.

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and the tremendous lawlessness

All 800,000 are criminals?

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LOL. I believe your position was that you don't blame Trump for not renting to black people, and you'd do it as well.

No, my position was the NYC area was besieged with heroin the streets of the Black community overrun and controlled by men like Frank Lucas and during that time squatters occupied hundreds of buildings, out of control crime, drugs, murders, prostitution, the mafia were at their pinnacle peak, so Trump having property there, of course why would he want to have drug users or squatters residing in and around his property, the majority of the people around that area were Black, had nothing to do with the color of their skin and nothing disparaging was said. I was just speaking the truth. Liberals want to make that argument, could it be about race, I don't know, but you don't know and can't say unequivocally that it was. We both weren't there. I lived for a few years in NYC and I know how bad that city was. There are two sides to every story.

Thats my point.

Maybe you were saying they are a horrible group of people as evidence that you should rent to them?

Or maybe you just want to see and make up your own narrative.

So, darnit, we just can't use this as evidence of racism, something you've repeatedly asked for, because we just don't know if it's all just a made up thing by people racist against whites in a secret conspiracy that we have no evidence of.

You make it seem like people don't fabricate or embellish stories.

Yes, that's how far you'll go to defend a white guy from charges of discrimination. 

The way way you are talking, to me it sounds like you are taking a one-sided closed minded view, once could call that bias and there's another word for that.

I just believe in fairness, I know the left doesn't, but I believe there are always two sides to every story and I refuse to pass judgment knowing that rich people are always a target for frivolous lawsuits, smearing and extortion.

And yes, that is the guy currently deciding the fate of minorities in the USA. What could possibly go wrong?

Yes, thankfully! And with Ben Carson in charge of HUD, hopefully this administration can focus on helping the over half a million children, the largest percentage of them being Black to help them move out of poverty and put them into good schools and give the, a proper education. That should take top priority over DACA. We have our own problems and I worry about about all children that live below the poverty level. American children should come first, always.

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This is what happens when an incompetent, corrupt, con man gets sworn in as President. God help us all.

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This is what happens when an incompetent, corrupt, con man gets sworn in as President.

Oh what happens is that the Constitution is upheld and illegal policies are rescinded and sent to Congress for legislative action as it should have been in the first place? Thats great then.

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Oh what happens is that the Constitution

No, it seems to depend on Trump and he can't make up his mind (again, check his recent tweet above). Is he going to ban/deport Dreamers or not? (It's like he can't make up his mind again, like the same situation of having Hillary arrested for selling uranium to the soviets- as Trump voters claim- Jeeze Trump! Are you going to arrest Hillary or not???!!!)

But if Trump voters think all dreamers are violent criminals that are sucking the United States dry then that is their right to think so.

And I can't wait for the continued comedy of the wall (that Mexico will not pay for). Solution to a 50 billion dollar wall? Simple! Just get yourself a 50 dollar ladder (and Trump confirmed this...it's true):

"There's no ladder going over that," Trump says about a 50-foot high wall. ... no way to get down," Trump insists, then concedes, "Maybe a rope.

See? Even Trump thinks the wall is a stupid idea. What were Trump voters thinking???!!! Trump admits ladders will defeat the wall but Trump voters think the wall is still a good idea. The big bad Mexicans will simply clean out Home Depot of their ladder inventory and continue to invade the USA. Trump voters think the Mexicans are ruining the United States. They say the damage done by Mexicans in 2017 outweigh the damage by Hurricane Harvey and Irma combined.

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This is what happens when an incompetent, corrupt, con man gets sworn in as President. God help us all.

Trump just turned his back on the Republicans, sided with Schumer and Pelosi, making a deal with them to fund the government and raise the debt ceiling through Dec. 15 and release cash for Harvey.

Apparently the top Dems don't agree with you. Best not to let your emotions overtake logic.

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You aren't limited in your dreams only to the US. You can dream in Honduras, or Belize or Peru for that matter.

LOL those countries you mentioned including Mexico Columbia most of Sth America for that matter have and have had high levels of government corruption / dictators during their histories. It this corruption that continues to keep these countries poor void of any real DREAMS the citizens of those countries may have. The US gives them better opportunities and chances of dragging their families out of poverty . Now Mr Trump basically wants to say GTFO we dont want you dreamers anymore. land of the free, home of the brave, pillar of democracy. yeah right!

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The US gives them better opportunities and chances of dragging their families out of poverty .

Oh does it? I thought the liberal story is that the USA is now full of racists and KKK who hate all immigrants (both legal AND illegal) as well as anyone who isnt white? How would a place such as this give them better opportunities than their own countries?

Dont these people have a responsibility to stay in their countries of birth and work to improve there and to use their votes and voices to rid their home of dicators and corruption? Wait,according to the liberal story, isnt the USA also run by a corrupt, racist dictator who is Hitler reincarnated? So why would they need to come here?

Maybe the reality is that 1% of the USA has some issues. The rest just want what is best for American citizens and their own families first. Then once that is done, can open their hearts to helping others who can contribute to making our country even greater with their culture, skills and hard work.

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Dont these people have a responsibility to stay in their countries of birth and work to improve there

You mean like the Pilgrim Fathers did?

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Dont these people have a responsibility to stay in their countries of birth and work to improve there and to use their votes and voices to rid their home of dicators and corruption?

Because mankind is not inherently nomadic, there has never been migration and the US has always been exclusively Native American.

Wait,according to the liberal story, isnt the USA also run by a corrupt, racist dictator who is Hitler reincarnated? So why would they need to come here?

Which story? Trump is a blip in the history of your (admittedly young) country. He will be out soon and the healing can begin.

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You mean like the Pilgrim Fathers did?

Wow, going way back on that one. As far as I remember from elementary school, the Pilgrims were fleeing from religious persecution and wanted a place where they could worship in the way they wanted. That is a much more valid reason to leave your country than 'economic opportunity'/'a better life'.

The Pilgrims werent coming to America to take advantage of the higher quality educational systems, or to take away some Native American's job opportunity at Facebook/Microsoft/Apple. They actually came to a worse situation than what they had and then built it up to something better by the sweat of their own brow.

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They actually came to a worse situation than what they had and then built it up to something better by the sweat of their own brow.

I guess that whole slavery thing didn't build nothing.

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Which story? Trump is a blip in the history of your (admittedly young) country. He will be out soon and the healing can begin.

The story that even has a chant to go along with it. Catchy! Much better than the stupid 'hey hey ho ho...blah blah blah has got to go' chants.

http://www.latimes.com/politics/washington/la-na-essential-washington-updates-no-trump-no-kkk-no-facist-usa-1503445099-htmlstory.html

Yeah if soon to you is in 7 more years, he will be. I would have thought maybe only one term but everything the Dems and liberals are doing and focusing on is pretty much assuring a 2nd term, if he even wants it by then.

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I guess that whole slavery thing didn't build nothing

So now even the Pilgrims were racist slave owners? I have to admit you guys are rewriting history faster than I can catch up. Interesting considering my history teacher in school said it was her favorite subject to teach because 'history never changes'.

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Wow, going way back on that one

Nah, only about a dozen generations. Not very long at all in the overall scheme of things.

As far as I remember from elementary school, the Pilgrims were fleeing from religious persecution and wanted a place where they could worship in the way they wanted.

And I'm sure your elementary school syllabus was totally neutral and bias-free, just like mine was when I was learning how great the British Empire was and how we saved all our colonies and made them Christian.

The separatists, or pilgrims as they came to be known, first settled in Holland, where they were quiet free to follow their chosen religion. They had no need to 'flee' to the New World for the sake of their religion.

So why did they leave Holland for America? For economic opportunity and a better life for their children. The only work available to immigrants in Holland was poorly paid, and poverty was a real problem. That is why they made the dangerous journey to the New World. Sound familiar at all?

The Pilgrims werent coming to America ...... to take away some Native American's job opportunity

I'm sure the Native Americans who lost their lives thanks to the diseases brought to the continent by the newcomers, or because the newcomers wanted their land and killed all that stood in their way, would have much preferred to have just lost their job opportunities at whatever was the 17th-century equivalent of Apple.

Did your school teacher also tell you about Thanksgiving? The one where the Pilgrims and the Indians shared a three-day feast together in friendship? Or the one where the Pilgrims celebrated the massacre of some 700 old men, women and children of the Pequot tribe?

At least the DACA kids are for the most part trying to fit in with the society they find themselves in.

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@cleo thanks for the education. interesting reading and not quite how I remember it being taught. I agree that education in school leaves out a lot of the 'important' parts that dont put anyone in such a good light.

Im actually for passing some type of legislation that allows the DACA people to stay. I think Trump is too, despite everyone wanting to call him the exact same word ('cruel') yesterday to suit narrative politics. Its just that we cant support how they illegally came here or how Obama illegally allowed them to stay. We cant allow them to be citizens or to sponsor their entire families like they way people who came legally might.

This would have to be the LAST time this ever happens in order to prevent others from coming and hoping for the same type of deal after hiding as an illegal for 'X' number of years. I just dont trust the law makers to really deal with this and also make it the LAST time, FOREVER, that illegals get this. So I am for the people involved, but against the program that would allow them to stay. Because it will surely be used again as the precedent and justification for the next group.

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So now even the Pilgrims were racist slave owners?

Not now, they always were. The settlers in Virginia needed a labour force to cultivate the tobacco they had discovered was very profitable (there we are back with economic opportunity again) , and they had three choices; coerce native Americans to do the work (not feasible, because the natives outnumbered the settlers, and any that were caught could easily escape and go home; and if you enslave the natives, you can't engage in mutually beneficial trade with them); bring in indentured servants from Europe (too expensive); or buy African slaves. Guess which they chose.

We cant allow them to be citizens

Why not? They already are American in every meaningful way bar the paperwork. The 'land of their birth' is a foreign country to them. They're young, hard working, well educated, set to become good earners and an asset to the American economy. What's not to like?

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@cleo only that you can't allow someone to profit or gain an advantage from a crime. Yeah wasn't their crime but if their parents stole a bike and gave it to them, they don't get to keep the bike just cause they are/were a kid.

if you allow this other people who do the same thing will have justification to expect the same result.

A lot of us aren't racist or have something against immigrants even illegal ones. Just considering the lack of fairness for the illegals who followed the law as well as citizens who now have to compete against these people for jobs and education.

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you can't allow someone to profit or gain an advantage from a crime

The settlers gained huge advantages from massacring the Native Americans, with the added advantage that now their descendants are taught in school about how good and great they were.

citizens who now have to compete against these people for jobs and education

I'm not sure if it's a sense of entitlement or of persecution, but it seems many 'real' Americans (descendants of the profit-seeking, murdering, slave-owning settlers) don't see the 'American Dream' working very well for them after all these years. Maybe the population needs a shot in the arm in the form of these young, educated hard workers? For the good of the country.

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If your life is utter crap don't blame immigrants.

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Descendants of the profit seeking, murdering, slave owners? Oh so you mean ALL white people. So I have to be held accountable and punished for the "crimes" of my hundreds of years ago dead ancestors that have given me this white privilege that is the ONLY reason for my success and good "white person life".

But try to hold a DACA person responsible for the crimes of their illegal alien parent who is probably still allive and living/working illegally still in my country? Nope it's not their fault what their parents did so they must be allowed to stay with special treatment.

Makes perfect sense to me. Or not.

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And once the DACA "kids" are legal then their entire illegal family gets to stay too. Including the original criminals who brought them there.

Schumer already played the "can't rip apart families!!!!or you are racist and cruel" card to try to ensure thats is part of any legislation. I simply wish Congress cared as much about their own citizens as they do illegals.

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Oh so you mean ALL white people

Not at all. Just trying to point out that the 'beam in your own eye' (with the help of your elementary school teacher, who I'm sure was a very nice lady, teaching you what she honestly thought was true) might be preventing you from seeing straight.

So I have to be held accountable and punished for the "crimes" of my hundreds of years ago dead ancestors

Who has suggested that you be 'held accountable' or 'punished' for anything? You are no more responsible for what the Pilgrims did than the DACA kids are responsible for what their parents did. How does allowing a bunch of young people make a positive contribution to your society 'punish' you in any way? On the contrary, won't you profit from the boost these people will bring to the economy?

once the DACA "kids" are legal then their entire illegal family gets to stay too. Including the original criminals who brought them there

Hasn't Trump given Congress six months to sort that out?

the "can't rip apart families!!!!or you are racist and cruel" card 

Look through my posts on this topic if you like, you'll see not once have I argued that point. From a strictly 'what's best for America' perspective, I cannot for the life of me see the advantage in using public funds and resources to raise kids up through school and university then deporting them when they're ready to start working and contributing to the economy, just because they haven't got the right piece of paper.

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Trump's action will put more blame on Congress if they don't do something quickly. That said, they were unable to do anything last time, which is why Obama overstepped his executive power in the first place to let the dreamers stay. It IS the responsibility of Congress and not the executive branch - that is true, but I suspect we'll hear a lot of talk and see not much action when it comes to Congress doing something for these folks. Sessions is using his admittedly correct objection to executive power overuse to hide his true anti-immigrant feelings, which are shared by quite a few Republicans. And really, they would support executive power overuse if the overuse were for something they wanted.

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Bass: No, my position was the NYC area was besieged with heroin the streets of the Black community overrun and controlled by men like Frank Lucas

And because of that you said it was totally justifiable for Trump to refuse to rent to black people and you'd do the same. That's called discrimination.

I was just speaking the truth. Liberals want to make that argument, could it be about race, I don't know,

I mean they only denied housing to black applicants, marked their applications with "C" for colored person, and did it based only of the color of their skin. How can anyone look at that and think it's because of race, right?

And I refuse to pass judgment

Exactly. Trump was accused and settled a discrimination case and you refuse to pass judgement.

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This would have to be the LAST time this ever happens in order to prevent others from coming and hoping for the same type of deal

Is that "hop" or "hope"?

Yes, they will hop over that 50 billions dollar wall with a 50 dollar ladder.

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It's kind of funny. People argue on this as if they give a schmoe about the issue. In actuality, they're just anti-Trump and argue against whatever he does. Sometimes hate does turn some people into extremely compassionate souls all of a sudden.

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Perhaps even constitutionally bogus in the first place (even D Feinstein admitted that DACA is in shaky legal ground). Give it to Congress to enact a law rather than an EO. But again when was the last time Congress enacted anything significant in 6 months? Not likely to happen.

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quoted: we are a nation of laws. hope he never did anything illegal.

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