World powers, Iran hold 'constructive' talks on reviving nuclear deal

Biden will get it done. He has a $1.9 trillion slush fund to fill those pallets up with - only a fraction of which was designated for covid relief. There’s plenty of cash to make the Islamic extremists happy.

Biden will get it done. He has a $1.9 trillion slush fund to fill those pallets up with - only a fraction of which was designated for covid relief. There’s plenty of cash to make the Islamic extremists happy.

So do you feel he should have done massive tax cuts (twice), while accelerating spending like Bush 2? Or should he just do massive tax cuts for the rich that added trillions to the budget already, like Trump?

It's funny watching you guys who supported both Bush 2 and Trump, trying to pretend you care about fiscal matters, or even have a clue of what you're talking about for that matter.

Biden will get it done. He has a $1.9 trillion slush fund to fill those pallets up with - only a fraction of which was designated for covid relief. There’s plenty of cash to make the Islamic extremists happy.

Lol nice spin there. The cash on "palates" you are talking about was THEIR money. It was seized by the US and was returned- not taxpayer money, like you are alleging.

As for the money for Islamic extremists; are you just as upset about the billions in weapons the Trump administration sold the Saudis? It seems the Right hates Iranians, because their extremists, but seem not just turn the other way when it comes to doing business with the Saudi government, which actually funded the 9/11 terror attacks.

Does anyone think that, if the situation were reversed, and Iran had violated the JCPOA and the US had been able to use the 'snapback' clause of the deal to impose sanctions, those sanctions would be a violation, an overstep, or something like that?

But let Iran slowly invoke the 'snapback' clause of the deal to resume 'only' being in compliance with the General Safeguards of the NNPT, and, well, somehow that's a violation DESPITE being fully described as permitted in the JCPOA, and something that prevents the development of a functional nuclear weapon.

It’s incomprehensible that Iran would trust the US after we violated and quit the deal once. Thanks to Republicans, America has proven that it cannot be trusted.

It was the USA that reneged and withdrew from a nuclear agreement that allowed foreign observers to verify compliance, and resulted in Iran not pursuing nuclear weapons technology. Our decision to withdraw elicited strong criticism from all the other signatories, including our closest allies who refused to renege on that agreement because of a childish revenge against President Obama.

Avenger is correct. The radicals in Iran never wanted a deal, saying the US would never honor it. Trump walked in the door, proved them right, and gave them more power and credibility within the Iranian government.

And what did Trunp accomplish? Nothing bit higher enrichment. Period.

And what did Trunp accomplish? Nothing bit higher enrichment. Period.

He had some really great rallies, that made his people very happy. Apparently some high TV ratings too.

That's gotta count for something, right?

I wouldn't trust the Great Satan, either.

There’s plenty of cash to make the Islamic extremists happy.

And in your slightly crazy fantasies, why would Biden want to "make the islamic extremists happy", exactly? Do you think Biden is a "secret muslim", like you thought Obama was?

Most Iranians aren't Islamic extremists. It's rather disingenuous and ignorant to describe them as such.

That doesn't mean there's no extremists in Iran, if course.

But ordinary Iranian folk are just like you and me.

I doubt this will work. Iranians have learned that only nuclear can give them absolute safety from being attacked. So they will not relent in their desire to get that absolute protection.

That doesn't mean there's no extremists in Iran, if course.

That’s true. There are clearly extremists in Iran. They run the country.

Jimizo: There are clearly extremists in Iran. They run the country.

From what I've read, which is little and a long time ago, they have screwed up power system. There's the President who is elected and tends to be more pragmatic (read: economy) and wants to engage with the West. It was the President who agreed to the nuclear deal.

On the other end you have The Supreme Leader. He acts independently and when he wants. The Revolutionary Guard is his own private army that is separate from the regular army, which is pretty messed up. They are the extremists who care more about jihad than jobs.

Somehow, the country functions despite having no one real center of power. It's more like pools of different power circles acting independently. But, again, my memory is fuzzy on this and things might have changed anyway.

Trump's miscalculation (thanks, Bolton) was really a home run for the Mullahs. It was especially worse since Trump certified Iran was in compliance, but walked away anyway. Now the Mullahs are saying. "I told you so" and the Iranian President is trying to save face while trying to do his job. We're back to where we were under Bush 2 with no direct contact and Iran enriching at 20%.

The net sum of Trump's actions was a complete catastrophe. There's no other way to put it. He went all "tough guy" and we've been set back 10 years. Conservatives can't handle the conversation so they talk about pallets of cash to keep their minds off of this monumental blunder. Their way has been exposed as counterproductive and they just can't handle dealing with it.

@SuperLib

My understanding is that Ayatollah Khamenei has the final say on foreign affairs. The president could make the deal with the US with the go-ahead from the Ayatollah.

Its plain to see....

In 2016 Iran was locked in to a multinational agreement not to increase or improve their nuclear capability, and IAEA inspectors confirmed that they were complying...

At the end of 2020, two years after Trump backed out of the agreement, Iran was enriching uranium to close to weapons-grade level and threatening to make a bomb.

Safer in 2016 or 2020?

Thank goodness the adults are back in charge and the kindergartners have been banished to Fox News pundit jobs or making new "uncheck" contribution cards at Mar-A-Lago...

Biden will get it done. He has a $1.9 trillion slush fund to fill those pallets up with - only a fraction of which was designated for covid relief.

5% to be more precise.

There’s plenty of cash to make the Islamic extremists happy.

They’ll get it, this administration will see to that. Israelis and the Saudis are watching...

I'd point out that post revolution democratic Iran offered government funded gender reassignment surgery to its trans citizens while the US was still equating gays with pedophiles, and, as one of the few post World War countries to have been subjected to a sustained campaign of WMD attacks on civilians, is even more adamantly opposed to nuclear weapons than Japan is, but when even the JT editors are resistant to efforts to listen to the facts, to expect JT commenters of an antiFarsi bent to be swayed by mere facts would be unreasonable.

Interesting. With less right-wing extremists posting in this story, there ended up being some quality discussion and relevant information additional to the story added for context.

Just to clarify something that used to be almost universally known, but has been deliberately obscured because it is the only way to make the 'sanctions' seem something other than spiteful, 20% enriched uranium is NOT 'almost weapons grade' or 'highly enriched'. Indeed, America's own nuclear weapons scientists proposed, in the early days of the nuclear industry, that it be termed 'non weapons useable', but the actual, internationally adopted, official IAEA designation is 'LOW ENRICHED URANIUM'

Reading between the lines of the unclassified papers, this is because while you can produce useful things (like reactor fuels and radiation sources for medical and industrial uses) from the output of the 'simple' centrifuge cascades up to and somewhat beyond 20% enrichment (Given you've also figured out the gasification process to turn natural uranium into something that can be centrifuged, and the remetalization process to turn the enriched uranium gas that results into a solid) continuing to loop your uranium through the chains of centrifuges DOESN'T get you anywhere near even the 'high enriched uranium' level needed for things like mobile nuclear reactors (like what the US uses to power submarines and carriers, and Russia further developed into a floating nuclear electricity generating station) because the 'simple' centrifuge cascades don't just enrich the useful isotopes, they also enrich the 'nasty' ones which, somewhere over the 20% enrichment level, make it impossible to work with what is coming out of the cascades.

Indeed, 'nasty' isotopes is why, back when NATO and the Warsaw Pact agreed to reduce the number of nuclear weapons they had, the method they agreed to as the way to 'destroy' the nuclear warheads was to feed them into heavy water reactors, because anything longer than a very short time in the core of one of these 'breeder' reactors recreated the nasty isotopes. Which is why a heavy water reactor that has been designed and constructed to physically limit the rate at which fuel rods can be moved into and out of the core to the level needed for things like refueling and extracting the small amounts of short cycled fuel rods that become the feedstock for the medical and industrial isotopes manufacturing is officially designated as a purely civilian nuclear technology. And the Iranian heavy water reactor has been modified and built to make those physical limits impossible to overcome.