Brexit talks stumble again as time runs out for a deal

Is anyone surprised?

Any bets on Scotland leaving the UK and applying for EU membership?

It's not the talks going backwards it's Britain going backwards.

Is anyone surprised?

Nope.

UK - 'We're here for a fair deal'

EU - 'We're here to make you suffer and make an example out of the UK.

I honedtly don't know why BoJo has persevered so long.

Britain said it could remove clauses in legislation that would breach its Brexit deal with the EU and would review provisions in another bill if talks on the Withdrawal Agreement progress

Parliament has this evening restored clause 47, Internal Market Bill in relation to custom regulation and the implementation of state aid in Northern Ireland. To restore clauses 42, 43, 44, 45,46 did not require a formal vote by a majority of 89.

The hapless French President Emmanuel Macron, will be the harbinger of his own downfall, the danger waiting in the wings, Marine Le Pen will ruthless and relentlessly, politically pull Emmanuel Macron apart, Le Pen silence is deafening, waiting for Macron to dig the political hole deeper.  

The rewrite of police security bill, only to be followed by a failure to secure any agreement for French fisheries.

Emmanuel Macron has been summoned talks with Angela Merkel, be afraid.  

If they is an exit route, Ireland has been thoroughly let down/betrayed by both the UK/EU. The Country deserves to be treated with a lot more respect

Another trump wannabe (boris) screwed up the country like the US. Who would have guessed that BJ running the country would go so poorly?

ANS: Anyone with common sense!!!

The Tories led by Boris "The Terrible" schemed to "take back control" (over their plebs), but lost the plot and control to the EU which has now taken command of the game.

Score so far, in extra time: 27 - 1 (and Scotland may soon refuse to participate in the UK's future games)

Who'da thunk it?

UK - 'We're here for a fair deal'

EU - 'We're here to make you suffer and make an example out of the UK.

That is the absolute opposite of what happened, but good try.

The UK governement has consistently treated Brexit talks like a game of poker where they try to bluff and go all-in on each move, but have already laid their cards on the table and everyone can see they only have a pair of 2's, a card with the rules for playing bridge on them and an Uno card mixed in. And of course they throw fits when the other players let them know everyone can see their cards.

The whole process has been nonsensical and idiotic from the day they announced a referendum, and the Tories should be ashamed of themselves forever.

Mr Johnson and his inner circle still believe that India, Australia, Canada and all other former colonies made a bad choice to leave “ the empire” . They stil manage the UK from the basis the Empire and its influence still exists. Brexit will make and end to that but in a very very hard way.

The rest of the EU was not shocked when the UK wanted to leave as the UK never behaved as a loyal member.

but the UK will have a rude awakening In a few days if they leave without a deal, which of course they are very entitled to do. Suicide should be a personal choice

The whole process has been nonsensical and idiotic from the day they announced a referendum, and the Tories should be ashamed of themselves forever.

If the 2016 referendum, the democratic means for the people to resister a vote, is deemed, nonsensical and idiotic, then that puts the opinion in the same breath/corner as Donald Trump refusal to accept the 2020 US election result.

Jsapc, you may strongly disapprove/disagree with UK withdrawal from the EU i.e. returning to the electorate in obtaining a mandate to remain in a Union that is moving towards a federal state, is quite correct, in fact brave and just, not in any respect either nonsensical or idiotic.

One has to fully research the logic and reasoning as to why UK joined the then EEC.

The EEC and Britain's late entry….

https://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/cabinetpapers/themes/eec-britains-late-entry.htm

Also, the extent to which political and economic changes have affected the UK and its people during the period/ UK membership.

https://www.ons.gov.uk/economy/economicoutputandproductivity/output/articles/changesintheeconomysincethe1970s/2019-09-02

This is why it is, or was, essential  for there to be a referendum on whether UK continued to stay a member state.

in fact brave and just,

The mere fact that some people have been convinced that the process was "brave and just" and not a simple political ploy based on pure lies and fabrications shows the extent of how idiotic it all was.

None of the arguments for Brexit were based on actual facts (bendy bananas? 350M£ sent to the EU per week?) and simply appealed to the most basic nationalistic and anti-immigrant sentiments, under the shiny guise of patriotism and regaining some form of imagined sovereignty.

From the start, the EU has clearly stated what would happen to the UK in case of a Brexit. It was writtent in black and white in all the EU laws and rulebooks. Then, at every step, the UK has tried to bend these rules for their own benefit. Believing they had more power than 27 countries combined. Except they don't, and never will again. The UK wants to have its cake and it eat too, but are finding as each day passes that have no money to buy a cake and no skills to bake one.

Again, the Tories should be ashamed of themselves forever. Unfortunately, they're incapable of feeling shame.

The electorate sowed the seeds of UK departure from the European Union, decades before the so called "bendy banana", or the "Boris Bus" came into view promising pot of gold at the end of some imagery rainbow.

Or Nigel Farage end of pier withering’s, incidentally Farage is a skilled orator and debater that the Remain campaign in their feckless arrogance grossly under estimated 

Pointless blaming some imaginary, “Tory demon”.

The remain campaign is a lesson for election strategists in mismanagement and incompetence.

To wheel out Tony Blair, Michael Heseltine, John Major, Peter Mandelson in an attempt to persuade the nation to embrace UK continued membership was a spectacular failure to comprehend or understand how UK has changed since the 70’s. Or the electorate growing irritation of a out of touch metropolitan liberal elite.

The incompetence of the Labour party is not mutually exclusive to the plain skulduggery of the conservatives. Both are actually true. Yes, Labour has been mind-boggingly incompetent, and double yes, the Tories are quite simply evil liars.

 out of touch metropolitan liberal elite

Talking about "out of touch elites" in the context of UK politics is ridiculous, seeing as the vast majority of Tories come from the richest families and poshest environments. If you think Boris Johson or Nigel Farage actually care about the working class, you have been completely bamboozled.

I am of the opinion that the is reason to blame either the Conservative, Labour, or Liberal Political Parties.

If blame is even a necessary emotional response.

You may feel justified Jsapc, in the belief that "out of touch elites" in the context of UK politics is ridiculous.

However viewed in the context of a referendum, and how this emotion can be leveraged to create a political perception of a UK societies views and in effect engages with their elected Government is critical to sway the electorate to support any policy agenda.

The "working class" were never bamboozled, assuming the "working class" even exists, or if so would even acknowledge to such labeling.

The same prism that requires the media and a number of politicians to subscribe to the belief that all the so called Brexiters are to be condemned as racist, idiotic, fools.

I suggest these same politicians, and broadcasters are to blame, if blame has to be shouldered, be held accountable

Sorry that first sentence of bonkers, they to do ten things at once..

To rephrase...

I am of the opinion that there is no reason to blame either the Conservative, Labour, or Liberal Political Parties.

Good for the Brits, they finally found a pair.

The "working class" were never bamboozled

Of course it was. It has been fed a certain narrative by popular (and right-leaning) media, that the immigrants were taking their jobs, that the EU was doing everything it could to prevent them from "being great again", to borrow that very effective lowest common denominator slogan, and countless other misdirections and outright lies designed to promote and agenda that would not benefit them in the least. It is on those mislead beliefs that they made a decision and voted to leave the EU. You can not ask people to have any respect for the "will of the people" if that will is based on decisions made on compeltely false information.

And of course, blame and accountability should be necessary. Since when do we live in societies where lying is OK? It's not and shouldn't be. Saying that everyone is bad in the end is just and underhanded way to shift the blame from yourself. Incompetence should be reprimanded, but lies and deceit should be called out and hopefully punished. Farage lied a lot, The Sun lied a lot, Boris lied a lot, all of them.

The “EU” is not responsible for UK decision to exit the block, or in the somewhat simplistic frankly odious propaganda, “immigrants are stealing our jobs” line.

There are possibly two, totally unconnected instances, one economic, the other political that played a pivotal role in UK decision to hold a referendum.

One, Tony Blairs foolish incompetence in his handling of UK rebate in negotiation of the Lisbon Treaty  

The Treaty of Lisbon - UK Parliament….

https://researchbriefings.files.parliament.uk/documents/SN05071/SN05071.pdf

Blair gives away £2.7bn to clinch EU budget deal

The Prime Minister sacrificed an extra £2.7 billion today to salvage an EU budget deal he insists is in Britain's interests.

Tony Blair had already surrendered £5.5 billion in rebate cash ahead of a crucial summit in Brussels.

During fraught negotiations he offered up a further £1 billion from the rebate won by Margaret Thatcher in 1984.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/blair-gives-away-pound27bn-to-clinch-eu-budget-deal-519863.html

And the other when David Cameron met Jean-Claude Juncker and insisted the "British people are not happy with the status quo" in Europe.

The foolish Juncker failed to take heed. Even came to regret not having intervened in Brexit referendum.

Can you imagine the result had Juncker; an unelected bureaucrat seen fit to be seen to interfere in the 2016 referendum?

Never the less Juncker in all his ignorant stupidity turned his back and offered David Cameron little or no support.

Had Blair held his ground, and Juncker supported David Cameron pleas for help UK would still be a member state…

Cameron could have won both the political and economic case for the UK to remain.

All the working class this and that, coupled with the patronizing malapert belittling of the electorate dismissed a Imbecilic half-wits did help one iota.

Rephrase; Didn't help one iota...

Juncker 

Juncker has absolutely nothing to do with this. Brexit was nothing but a political ploy for David Cameron and his party. A bet that failed miserably and that will put the country in a tough position for decades to come. Nobody cared about the economic aspect. If they did, they would have followed the advice of the vast majority of world economists who said brexit would be a terrible idea, and remained. But it wasn't economical, it was purely political and cynical. And it failed. And the british people, not the politicians that caused the problem, will have to pay for it.