Talk of a 'no deal' Brexit grows as deadline looms

Excellent news. Been hoping for No Deal all along. We don't want the French and Spanish in our fishing grounds. Hope Boris holds his nerve and doesn't cave in to EU demands.

The UK is heading into the most uncertain economic times in a generation having had the economy decked by Covid. The man to lead us at this time is Boris Johnson with the most talentless cabinet in living memory.

Sounds great.

Won't stop the trawlers from coming.

You're wrong, but wrap yourself up in that blanket if it makes you feel better.

 Hope Boris holds his nerve and doesn't cave in to EU demands.

"Eu demands"? I think you're confused about the position each party is in. The English governement keeps making impossible and silly demands that the EU, naturally, refuses to cave in to. But Boris and friends keep trying to push a watermelon in a keyhole. To absolutely no effect. The EU won't be worse off with a no-deal Brexit. You really need to understand this. The only losing party in all of this is and will always be the UK.

One didn't need a crystal ball to foresee the social and economic catastrophe the full-English Brexit would inflict on the nation, especially on the working classes who had no business falling for the mendacious messaging of the English right-wing gutter press and the poisonous bait of jingoism and "freedumb" from Brussels dangled before them by the Tories, an incompetent shower of self-entitled, narcissistic fops with a proven track record of cock-ups that have eviscerated communities and led the class-ridden country into its slow inevitable decline. The last act of Boris's Brexit pantomime may well even bring to an end the more than 300 years of a United Kingdom.

I just hope that a no deal, which seems like the likely outcome now, will spur the formation of a CANZUK agreement. Fingers crossed

Boris Johnson Government has forgone the necessity to push thought legislation to breech Treaty Law

UK drops plans to break international law as Northern Ireland deal is reached.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2020/dec/08/brexit-uk-drops-plans-to-break-international-law-as-northern-ireland-deal-is-reached.

However this smooths the route to a no deal scenario.

Combined with the pandemic, a failure to agree a EU/UK future relationship is.....

contemptuous.

We don't want the French and Spanish in our fishing grounds

Yeah we want to catch the fish, even if paperwork and tariffs stop us selling it to the French and Spanish.

https://twitter.com/BestForBritain/status/1333726501557194755

All this Brexit stuff is even more tedious than news about Covid-19. Johnson was elected to get the job done.

"We will prosper mightily under any version"

Just the latest in hundreds of statements that go unquestioned by the BBC etc. The governments own assessments contradict this, but some goon with a mic will let Johnson say it and its all jolly hockey sticks.

I just hope that a no deal, which seems like the likely outcome now, will spur the formation of a CANZUK agreement. Fingers crossed

There is no love or even respect for the UK in Canada, Australia or New Zealand regarding Brexit. Most of the world is to the point of averting their gaze while the UK self destructs. It's not a pretty sight and nobody is going to save you from yourselves. The US will probably spurn the UK for violating the terms of the Good Friday Accords. No trade agreement will be forthcoming. UK is on their own with this.

There is no love or even respect for the UK in Canada, Australia or New Zealand regarding Brexit. Most of the world is to the point of averting their gaze while the UK self destructs. It's not a pretty sight and nobody is going to save you from yourselves. The US will probably spurn the UK for violating the terms of the Good Friday Accords. No trade agreement will be forthcoming. UK is on their own with this.

while I tend to agree with you on most posts I cannot at all agree with this one.

There is no love or even respect for the UK in Canada, Australia or New Zealand regarding Brexit.

On the contrary, the CANZ countries see an opportunity to bolster ties with the UK otherwise deemed impossible when the UK was in the EU. The UK is still the 5th largest economy in the world behind Germany. The idea that other countries will not want to do a deal with it is just plain silly.

Most of the world is to the point of averting their gaze while the UK self destructs. It's not a pretty sight and nobody is going to save you from yourselves.

Let's not be melodramatic about this. The UK will have its hiccups, but trying to paint this as a destruction of the UK is just silly. Everyone will carry on as before. Recessions come and go for various reasons. This whole doom and gloom is a bit too much

There is no love or even respect for the UK in Canada, Australia or New Zealand regarding Brexit.

Love and respect aren’t really relevant. If there is money to be made, go for it. Australia, NZ and Canada deal with far worse including despots and theocrats like everyone else.

The CANZUK idea isn’t going to achieve much even if implemented. There are much bigger fish to fry here ( no insult implied to those fine countries ).

The CANZUK idea isn’t going to achieve much even if implemented. There are much bigger fish to fry here ( no insult implied to those fine countries ).

I think it will depend on how far it will go. If its just a loose trade agreement you're absolutely right. But if they go a lot further, say with a unified currency and a customs union they become a bloc ranked just below China and with considerable clout. I don't actually see that happening- at least not in the short term - But a Canzuk agreement would do SOMETHING at least to soften the blow.

Here's an interesting article written about the subject quite recently.

CANZUK — Could it be Britain′s new EU? | Business| Economy and finance news from a German perspective | DW | 05.12.2020

Whatever happened to palpably false Johnson's "oven ready deal" ?

Britain is headed for disaster with a lying, bumbling posh-boy idiot in charge.

I have never purchased an “oven ready” anything in my life.

Who ever came up that that “ditty” deserves to be on life support.

'Grace period' for Brexit checks on supermarket supplies to Northern Ireland

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2020/dec/09/grace-period-for-brexit-checks-on-supermarket-supplies-to-northern-ireland

This is what political fudge sounds like, god knows what it looks and tastes like.

Thumbs down is not a negative, it's is a indication your opinion is hitting the sweet spot

UK people, Government democratically took a decision to consider, pause if you will joining what is slowly but surely, to remaining in a european union that is morphing into a federal superstrate without recourse to a mandate from the people or citizenship.

Lying Johnson promised before last December’s general election of having an “oven-ready” Brexit withdrawal deal ready to go.

I guess the Tories are just letting Johnson get on with it and when Britain collapses post no-deal they will throw his gargantuan carcass under the bus and blame him.

Whatever happened to palpably false Johnson's "oven ready deal" ?

Looks like it was left in the oven too long. It's burned to a crisp now.

Love and respect aren’t really relevant. If there is money to be made, go for it. Australia, NZ and Canada deal with far worse including despots and theocrats like everyone else.

What is all this money to be made post Brexit that they can't already make? That is what has me scratching my head. Any opportunities for trade between UK and their former colonies are already fully exploited. UK leaving the EU doesn't suddenly change this. What products will UK all of a sudden start making that the Canadians or Australians want that it doesn't make now? The whole of Brexit and your comment are wishful thinking.

Let's not be melodramatic about this. The UK will have its hiccups, but trying to paint this as a destruction of the UK is just silly.

I respectfully disagree. When Scotland agitates for independence and the Catholics in Northern Ireland begin to fight for reunification after the border with the Republic of Ireland is closed, UK will start to dissolve under the pressure of two internal rebellions. If history is a guide the UK government will resort to increasingly repressive "security' laws that will further alienate the Scots and Catholics. The EU has already stated openly it will support an effort towards Irish unification. That could lead to economic sanctions by the EU against UK in time. Mr. Johnson's ill considered comment about devolution being a disaster didn't help his cause with the Scots and even managed to alienate the Welsh. I may live to see the end of the UK. Certainly my 6yo boy will.

I respectfully disagree.

fair enough brother

When Scotland agitates for independence and the Catholics in Northern Ireland begin to fight for reunification after the border with the Republic of Ireland is closed, UK will start to dissolve under the pressure of two internal rebellions.

but we’ve been there and done that

If history is a guide the UK government will resort to increasingly repressive "security' laws that will further alienate the Scots and Catholics.

I respectfully disagree. Times are different now brother so history cannot really be a guide.

The EU has already stated openly it will support an effort towards Irish unification.

the EU has no say in this. This is clearly a UK N Ireland issue, And they might want to be careful considering the number of breakaway movements in the EU. That’s a can of worms the EU may not want to open.

That could lead to economic sanctions by the EU against UK in time.

nah.. the EU doesn’t want that. That’s not going to happen

Mr. Johnson's ill considered comment about devolution being a disaster didn't help his cause with the Scots and even managed to alienate the Welsh. I may live to see the end of the UK. Certainly my 6yo boy will.

possible, but doubtful. Remember leaving UK does not mean automatic entry into the European Union. So it’s a huge leap of faith to leave the UK. Anyway, This is why I believe that Canzuk is so important. I do agree that grievances could continue to well up but maybe a Canzuk agreement could be medicine that soothes the wounds of Brexit

The hard-headed continental Europeans can easily be replaced by a free trade deal with the US. Johnson shouldn’t have been wasting all this time arguing with the French and Germans who don’t like the British anyway. Getting away from those creeps was the best thing they could have done for their countries future. Bugger off EU - Hello America!

The hard-headed continental Europeans can easily be replaced by a free trade deal with the US.

If a hard border goes up between the two Irelands, that would violate the Good Friday Accords and if that happens there will be no UK-US trade deal.

Johnson shouldn’t have been wasting all this time arguing with the French and Germans who don’t like the British anyway. Getting away from those creeps was the best thing they could have done for their countries future. Bugger off EU 

My opinion of the Brits is much closer to that of the late great Chuck Yeager. In any event, what does the UK make that anyone wants to buy?