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Trump invites Putin to Washington

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By Steve Holland and Doina Chiacu

U.S. President Donald Trump has invited Russian President Vladimir Putin to Washington this autumn, the White House said on Thursday, a daring rebuttal to the torrent of criticism in the United States over Trump's failure to publicly confront Putin at their first summit for Moscow's meddling in the 2016 election.

Four days after Trump stunned the world by siding with Putin in Helsinki over his intelligence agencies, the president asked national security adviser John Bolton to issue the invitation to the Russian leader, said White House spokeswoman Sarah Sanders.

What happened at Monday's one-on-one between Trump and Putin with only interpreters present remained a mystery, even to top officials and U.S. lawmakers who said they had not been briefed.

Trump's director of national intelligence, Dan Coats, said in response to a question at the Aspen Security Forum in Colorado: "Well, you're right, I don't know what happened at that meeting."

The coveted invitation was sure to be seen as a victory by Putin, whose last official visit to the United States was in July 2007, when he spent two days at the Bush family compound.

Both Trump and Putin earlier on Thursday praised their first meeting as a success and blamed forces in the United States for trying to belittle its achievements, Trump citing discussions on counterterrorism, Israel's security, nuclear proliferation, cyber attacks, trade, Ukraine, Middle East peace and North Korea.

In one Twitter post, Trump blamed the media. "The Summit with Russia was a great success, except with the real enemy of the people, the Fake News Media."

In Moscow, Putin said the summit "was successful overall and led to some useful agreements" without elaborating on the agreements.

Top Senate Democrat Chuck Schumer criticized the invitation."Until we know what happened at that two hour meeting in Helsinki, the president should have no more one-on-one interactions with Putin. In the United States, in Russia, or anywhere else," he said in a statement.

Coats, who on Monday roundly defended the intelligence agencies' findings of Russian meddling, also advised against a one-on-one meeting with Putin, saying he "would look for a different way of doing it."

An official visit by a Russian president to the United States is a rare event: the last time was in June 2010 with Dmitri Medvedev, now Russian prime minister.

A senior White House official said Bolton extended the official invitation to Putin on Thursday via his Russian counterpart. No date has been set and it was unclear whether it would be timed for the U.N. General Assembly in late September.

The week was one of the toughest for Trump since he took office 18 months ago as aides struggled with damage control and convincing Americans that the president did not favor Russian interests over his own country's. Forty-two percent of registered voters said they approved of Trump’s overall job performance, according to a Reuters/Ipsos opinion poll taken after the summit.

Bolton on Tuesday laid out four talking points for the crisis-hit White House, according to one official: that Trump stress he supports U.S. intelligence agencies, that there was never any Russian collusion with his campaign, that Russian meddling is unacceptable and the United States is doing everything it can to protect elections in 2018 and beyond.

With Trump under fierce criticism in the United States, the White House on Thursday rejected Putin's proposal that Russian authorities be present for the questioning of Americans it accuses of "illegal activities," including a former U.S. ambassador to Moscow.

It was the latest about-face in a week of multiple reversals. Critics complained that Trump was given ample opportunity at a joint news conference on Monday to scold Putin over Russian interference in the election but instead accepted Putin's denials over the word of American intelligence agencies.

Trump on Tuesday said he misspoke during the news conference. On Wednesday, Trump answered "no" to a reporter's question on whether Russia was still targeting the United States, only to have Sanders say later he was saying "no" to answering any questions - not to the question itself.

Republican and Democratic U.S. lawmakers grappled with Trump's conflicting statements as they discussed ways to show their opposition to what they saw in Helsinki, including strengthening sanctions.

On Monday, Putin described the proposal when he was asked about the possible extradition of 12 Russian intelligence officers indicted in the United States on charges of interfering in the 2016 election by carrying out cyber attacks on Democratic Party networks.

Putin indicated he would permit American law enforcement officials to observe questioning by Russian officials of the indicted Russians and vice versa for Russian investigations. He mentioned London-based financier Bill Browder, a onetime investor in Russia who said he exposed corruption there. Standing alongside Putin, Trump called the idea "an incredible offer."

Sanders on Thursday said, "It is a proposal that was made in sincerity by President Putin, but President Trump disagrees with it," a day after saying the proposal was going to be discussed by Trump's team. "Hopefully President Putin will have the 12 identified Russians come to the United States to prove their innocence or guilt."

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The poodle invites the master.

Putin and his gangsters are the number one threat to western way of life. An the Orange Moron is letting him plod full steam ahead...

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All we are saying... is give peace a chance.

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The more and more I listen to Trump talk, back and forth, back and forth, using a vocabulary level more suited to talking with kindergarten children, I wonder if we are seeing signs of the onset of dementia?

Hell he is at the right age for it.

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I hope President Trump gives Putin a full state welcome and dinner just to drive the TDS sufferers even further up the wall.

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American intelligence agencies last year announced their conclusion that Russia carried out a campaign of hacking and propaganda targeting the 2016 U.S. election

Nothing to get steamed up about.

The US does this all the time.

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It just boggles the mind how so many Republicans no longer care about the security and interests of the United States.

Screw that resolution.

Draft articles of impeachment.

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Good timing - just before the mid-terms! Putin can join Trump in supporting congressional candidates of their (likely mutual) choice.

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Isolate allies, yet invite tyrants who assassinate anyone who speaks out against them. This is beyond idiotic.

I cannot even imagine how this makes the families of Malaysia Airlines Flight 17 feel.

America used to be a beacon of justice and hope.

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cla68Today  07:01 am JST

I hope President Trump gives Putin a full state welcome and dinner just to drive the TDS sufferers even further up the wall.

Right... just accepting for a moment the laughable notion that "TDS" actually exists. There are those who wonder what's going on when Trump gives this performance in Helsinki that even his own supporters condemn as embarrassingly weak and sycophantic, claims he mis-spoke when what he actually said was perfectly consistent with everything else he said, adds that no one has ever been tougher on Putin than him but now wants to roll out the red carpet in Washington for him, and then there are those who think it's all just fine and support him no matter what. It raises the questions, what actually is this TDS thing, and who's actually got it?

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Trump and Putin should barnstorm the country in support of republicans in tight election fights.

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It just boggles the mind how so many Republicans no longer care about the security and interests of the United States.

Wait, but when the Democrats were snuggling up to Iran, that was acceptable? Wow!

Screw that resolution.

Draft articles of impeachment.

How? On what grounds?

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Surely, nobody can compare Putin to recent US presidents and the high numbers of deaths in Iraq, Afghanistan,Libya and Syria.

The resulting refugee crisis stemming from a breakdown in border controls and chaos has seen thousands of people die from drowning, starvation and slavery!

In Libya slavery is alive and well due to regime change.

Putin is a saint compared with Bush and Obama.

President Trump is quite right in directing the world to a safer place.

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Putin and his gangsters are the number one threat to western way of life. An the Orange Moron is letting him plod full steam ahead...

Huh, I thought China was, but I guess the left needs another simplistic bogeyman.

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Surely, nobody can compare Putin to recent US presidents and the high numbers of deaths in Iraq, Afghanistan,Libya and Syria.

The resulting refugee crisis stemming from a breakdown in border controls and chaos has seen thousands of people die from drowning, starvation and slavery!

In Libya slavery is alive and well due to regime change.

Putin is a saint compared with Bush and Obama.

President Trump is quite right in directing the world to a safer place.

Bingo!

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Curious why the left morality police completely ignores the blatant attrocities committed by 'allies' like saudis against yemen and israel against the native Palestinians and harps on about Russia all day everyday. This kind of selective moral outrage is simply disgusting.

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@burningbush etal All we are saying... is give peace a chance.

Is all you are saying just versionX.7 of ‘…no fly zone = WW3?

One way to understand your messages is ‘Do what Putin wants or it’s war.’ PutinTrump backers only seem to mention extreme poles and ignore all that’s between them. 

Question: why would Putin want war (the military variety) when he’s already finland-ized parts of the former USSR, and by leveraging his control over oil and gas is set to finland-ize more of western Europe, and Trump is doing all he can to ensure the US and NATO are so weakened he can’t be stopped?

Military engagements would just be a waste of money and resources. The richest man in the world’s not going to do that. Proxy wars elsewhere to expand his territories maybe.

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What a farce.

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Fred, they're not "left." Virtually no one holding power in the US or the Democratic Party leadership is anywhere near left. Are partisan democrats awash in hypocrisy, yes. But everyone I know on the left is more than willing to condemn the failings of liberal democrats, as well as the ongoing warmongering and atrocity they (at least tacitly) approve.

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The opinion expressed by some on this thread that Trump is a "saint" compared to Bush and Obama may be true, but only because he has had less time to bomb and drone. We all know Trump's narcissism: he has to be the winner in everything, so just be patient and he'll commit the war crimes commensurate with his blimp-sized ego, especially if he gets into competing with his new Russian buddy.

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What's the determination of "fake news" from a "liar". A liar fake news?

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Reading the comments it seems that McCarthy is alive and well.

There be reds under the beds, y’aal.

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CrazyJoeToday  07:12 am JST

It just boggles the mind how so many Republicans no longer care about the security and interests of the United States.

They daren't speak out for fear of losing Trump's supporters in the mid-term elections. Pretty spineless really. And yes Trumpbots, I know - "what about the Democrats?" What about them? Save it for a discussion on an article about Democrats.

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This is getting bad.

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The other day I was thinking 'well, Sascha Baron Cohen is the world's best troll', but then Trump said 'hold my beer' and proved me entirely wrong.

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@bungle Reading the comments it seems that McCarthy is alive and well.

McCarthy was worried about commies; I'm worried about neo-nationalsocialists following predatory capitalists. A good fight, in my opinion.

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Curious why the left morality police completely ignores the blatant attrocities committed by 'allies' like saudis against yemen and israel against the native Palestinians and harps on about Russia all day everyday. This kind of selective moral outrage is simply disgusting.

Let's say you're right. So the 'left' is practicing selective outrage. Ok, you're right, I'd agree with that. And it seems you are very outraged about the things you mentioned.

You don't however seem to be outraged about what's going on in Russia. Do you feel that the lack of outrage on the left somehow cancels out these other issues? Or are you perhaps being selective in your outrage?

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Do Trump fans support Trump handing over Americans for Russian investigations?

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So the 'left' is practicing selective outrage. Ok, you're right, I'd agree with that.

I expect such nonsense from our resident rightists who want everyone to see everyone from Jeremy Corbyn to Hillary Clinton as Lenin, but I thought you were a cut above such things. Nomenclature matters--you're talking about partisan democrats, full stop.

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It's always good to visit a place before you move in. Let's you know what to sell, what to bring with for the new place :).

And an observation: Neuroscience and Psychology research show (the effect replicates routinely) that the opinions most strongly held are based on the least amount of information. Education is not only valuable for the accumulation of information, but for developing the habits of mind (and nervous system) that expose to each person themselves what they don't know enough about, and critical thinking skills to evaluate the evidence in order to arrive at a nuanced understanding.

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Still, they're cousins, 

Identical cousins and you'll find, 

They laugh alike, they walk alike, 

At times they even talk alike – 

Putin: I appreciated President Putin’s phone call afterwards to thank me.

Before the meeting with President Putin, you called him an adversary, a rival

Trump: So I have great confidence in my intelligence people, but I will tell you that President Putin was extremely strong and powerful in his denial today. And what he did is an incredible offer; he offered to have the people working on the case come and work with their investigators with respect to the 12 people. I think that’s an incredible offer.

Putin: Where did you get this idea that President Trump trusts me or I trust him? 

Trump: But isn’t that natural? Isn’t it natural to be sympathetic towards a person who is willing to restore the relationship with our country, who wants to work with us?

Can you tell them apart?

You can lose your mind,

When cousins are two of a kind. 

source: https://www.lyricsondemand.com/tvthemes/thepattydukeshowlyrics.html

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/onpolitics/2018/07/17/trump-putin-press-conference-transcript/791397002/

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Yea, no collusion whatsoever right??

:-/

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Curious why the left morality police completely ignores the blatant attrocities committed by 'allies' like saudis against yemen and israel against the native Palestinians and harps on about Russia all day everyday. This kind of selective moral outrage is simply disgusting.

The topic is Putin/Washington.

Saudi Arabia and Israel have been discussed and condemned on numerous occasions. Nothing selective about staying on topic, which we're always being urged to do.

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Trump has invited a dangerous enemy to Washington. A man who is involved with the invasion of Georgia, the Ukraine, a downed passenger plane, assasinated critics, jailed opponents, murdered journalists, spies, meddling in US and European affairs, nerve agents, and cosying up to Assadists.

What message is this sending to the rest of the world?

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So you deem that kind of comment to be perfectly appropriate, acceptable and respectful to other posters. I see.

To some.

I expect such nonsense from our resident rightists who want everyone to see everyone from Jeremy Corbyn to Hillary Clinton as Lenin,

Not at all, but the left have their dirty paws deeply embedded into the Hammer and sickle pockets and for them to point fingers is not only ludicrous, but it's an outrage.

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This “handing over” of Americans for questioning is hysteria too. The Russians just want to talk to the people who they think broke their laws. Nobody being sent anywhere.

Same as Mueller should want to do with Russians he claims broke our laws. Two way street.

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We might as well start studying RUSSIAN!

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@Burning Bush.... All we are saying - Is give Pence a chance.  (FIFY lol)

BTW - will Trump even be President come the autumn?  Surely better minds will address the issue and rid the world of Trump long before then?

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From Trump's perspective, it makes a lot of sense.

First of all, Putin is the guy who helped put Trump in the White House.

Secondly, Trump trusts Putin more than Dan Coats, his own CIA and the FBI.

Thirdly, and Hillary nailed it on this one, Trump is Putin's puppet.

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This “handing over” of Americans for questioning is hysteria too. The Russians just want to talk to the people who they think broke their laws.

Ask Bill Browder if he agrees with you. That Putin just wants to "talk" to him. Bit odd that Putin wants Trump involved, when Browder is actually a British citizen.

As it turned out, Mr. Putin was trying to equate the Mueller investigation with a sinister Russian campaign against Bill Browder, an American-born financier who has become a Putin nemesis. After his lawyer, Sergei Magnitsky, was jailed and killed for exposing a massive fraud involving senior Russian officials, Mr. Browder persuaded Congress to pass the 2012 Magnitsky Act, which has led to sanctions against numerous officials in the Putin clique. In an attempt to get the sanctions lifted, the Putin government has tried to portray Mr. Browder as the criminal, repeatedly and unsuccessfully seeking his arrest by Interpol.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/global-opinions/putin-wants-to-silence-one-of-his-biggest-critics-trump-is-eager-to-help/2018/07/18/ea199420-8aaa-11e8-a345-a1bf7847b375_story.html?utm_term=.aada9cf356b8

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Now this has to be the ultimate comb over bromance in history.

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I expect such nonsense from our resident rightists who want everyone to see everyone from Jeremy Corbyn to Hillary Clinton as Lenin,

Not at all, but the left have their dirty paws deeply embedded into the Hammer and sickle pockets and for them to point fingers is not only ludicrous, but it's an outrage.

Nice non-denial denial

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OMG! He wants another "summit?" Why? Is there something he forgot to give away?

Stop and consider: Russia has 143 million citizens, and only the 12th largest economy in the world. Its economy is on the verge of collapse.

USA: 340 million citizens (339,999,999 if you discount Treasonous Trump), world's largest economy, most powerful military.

And somehow a once great democracy is now cowering before a cheap, murderous hoodlum in the Kremlin.

Think about it — even for a second — Trump idolators.

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OMG! He wants another "summit?" Why? Is there something he forgot to give away?

He gave billions of USD to Vlad like Obama did to the Mullahs???

Stop and consider: Russia has 143 million citizens, and only the 12th largest economy in the world. Its economy is on the verge of collapse.

Yeah, but liberals forget, they still have a very functional formidable military.

USA: 340 million citizens (339,999,999 if you discount Treasonous Trump), world's largest economy, most powerful military.

What?

And somehow a once great democracy is now cowering before a cheap, murderous hoodlum in the Kremlin.

Think about it — even for a second — Trump idolators.

Trump cowering? Lol, I doubt Crimea would have ever happened on his watch.

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He wants to be an idiot a second time?

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Seems liberals and Dems would want Browder and McFaul questioned so that Mueller in return could question those 25 indicted Russians?

Or was the plan all along to indict people who would never show up and say the wrong thing or who could actually be proven innocent?

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The puppeteer will be heading to the White House to visit his favorite puppet and coach him on what’s best for Russia at the detriment and expense of the rest of the world.

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@bas4 Hammer and sickle pockets

The Russian Federation is rightwing.

@bas4 Trump cowering?

Trump cowerED. Done deal. Cadet Appease and Capitulate for-a-few-dollars-more Bonespurs surrendered and sold the US and the countries formerly known as allies out to the highest bidder. Was that an example of Trump being a good businessman?

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bass4funkToday  10:02 am JST

Trump cowering? Lol, I doubt Crimea would have ever happened on his watch.

Right... because he's really showing Putin who's boss at the moment, isn't he.

Putin indicated he would permit American law enforcement officials to observe questioning by Russian officials of the indicted Russians and vice versa for Russian investigations. He mentioned London-based financier Bill Browder, a onetime investor in Russia who said he exposed corruption there. Standing alongside Putin, Trump called the idea "an incredible offer."

"It is a proposal that was made in sincerity by President Putin, but President Trump disagrees with it," Sanders said on Thursday, a day after saying the proposal was going to be discussed by Trump's team. 

No mixed signals at all there, then. Putin must be quaking in terror with talk like that coming out of the US administration.

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He wants to be an idiot a second time?

It's a challenge this this guy for him not to be an idiot for just one day.

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Sorry typo correction. (auto correct issues.)

This comment is not in defense of Donald Trump.

Another summit may not be a bad idea. However what is to be gained by confronting Mr. Putin?

What would be gained by sending Americans to Russia for questioning?

What would be gained by convicting the 12 that have been indicted? If they are jailed. How is this going to improve relations with Russia? it just sends a message not to mess with us. I think most can agree that we need Russia to be cooperative. Not necessarily an ally but a reliable International partner. It seems to me the real failure here is oversight or lack of. The meddling in our election was down right Cold war-ish. However, there’s no public evidence the post-Cold War Russian government has ever meddled at anywhere near the levels of 2016, when U.S. officials say the Kremlin tried to help Trump’s campaign. What really needs to be discussed is Russian meddling everywhere in the world by Russia. There is an ultimate goal Russia is trying accomplish or has accomplished already.

But I feel that there is no truth to Vladimir Putin’s words. That by every judgment to this point, they were aggressively involved in the U.S. elections, Montenegro, France, they are involved in the German upcoming elections. And that this is not the first time they’ve been involved in our elections, and that America needs to have a much more definitive response to them. I think we are just seeing the tip of the iceberg.

So you know.

Over the course of 11 presidential elections between the end of World War II and the fall of the Soviet Union, This has been confirmed and identified three secret attempts to influence an election.

• 1960: Through his ambassador to the United States, Mikhail Menshikov, Soviet Premier Nikita Khrushchev offered Adlai Stevenson help from a secret propaganda campaign. However, Stevenson declined the offer. He lost in the Democratic primary to John F. Kennedy.

• 1968: The Soviet Union’s ambassador to the U.S., Anatoly Dobrynin, offered to secretly fund Hubert Humphrey’s campaign against Richard Nixon. Humphrey declined the bribe.

• 1976: Fearing that anti-communist Democrat Henry "Scoop" Jackson stood a good chance at winning in the wake of Nixon’s resignation, the KGB began a smear campaign. Soviet spies forged FBI paperwork to make it appear Jackson was secretly gay and sent the fake reports to newspapers around the United States during the election and for years after.

Notably, the past attempts to help a candidate were arranged through the ambassador. And much of the investigation into last year has focused on meetings the current Russian ambassador to the U.S., Sergey Kislyak, had with key officials on Trump’s team before Trump became president.

Some of those meetings allegedly involved former National Security Advisor Michael Flynn (who in 2015 took $45,000 from RT), Attorney General Jeff Sessions (who was a top Trump advisor during the campaign) and Jared Kushner, Trump’s senior advisor and son-in-law.

Maybe time to design some sort very aggressive oversight that can not fail or be compromised. Putting all the Trump hating and rhetoric aside for a moment. The meddling needs to be stopped and nipped in the bud. Right now. Russia can not allowed to meddle in our elections any further. Full stop. Even if it costs Trump his Presidency. The election system and democracy takes priority. Democrats have the right to motivate and get voters out there to cast. The days of a fair fight need to come back. What we are witnessing here is ultimately and could be the death of dirty politics.

I say the President should hold off of on another summit and let things cool down. At least until we see what Mueller presents in his investigation. A call for calmness is order. If anytime the my party needs to start working with those across the isles in the Senate in Congress in agencies everywhere fully and totally across the board. That time is now. What say you Democrats?

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By the way. I feel Trump is toast. I think Mueller has a bombshell that will force the President to resign.

Once again sorry for the auto correct issues in my previous.

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Chaos, confusion, and highly questionable decision-making by its leaders are all hallmarks of once great nations in the throes of rapid decline. In the years to come, the US will assume more and more the persona of the drowning swimmer, flailing wildly in panic and posing as much danger to itself as to those in any proximity. Sad to see, really.

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Trump is such a snake in the grass. Who know what he gave away to the Putin and the Russians in Helsinki, and now there's going to be a sequel to the Helsinki disaster.

Now the U.S. government is going to roll out the red carpet for an aggressive and active dictator with blood on his hands in Washington D.C., which will all be paid for by U.S. taxpayers.

Trump's been busy gutting the CIA, the FBI, relations with our allies, and now he's gutting the office of the presidency.

The man is an absolute disgrace to himself and his country.

If he can't be prosecuted for everything he's done after he eventually leaves office, then let's try and exile him to some far away island never to be seen from or heard from again.

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@LandofExcusesToday  Chaos, confusion, and highly questionable decision-making by its leaders are all hallmarks of once great nations in the throes of rapid decline. In the years to come, the US will assume more and more the persona of the drowning swimmer, flailing wildly in panic and posing as much danger to itself as to those in any proximity.

Allow me to retort of behalf of America.

What you are witnessing from America. Is a rebirth of greatness and change.

Every so often in our 242 year history. A rebirth occurs through purge. I have said it before and I will say it again. America will never be reduced to a drowning wailing swimmer or a third world country. These statements are preposterous. America is great. Will remain great. Even great in its darkest controversial times and politics. A fine example would be 911 and we all came together as a country. We are a young nation full Patriots. President Trump says. Make America Great Again. I say she is already great young and learning.

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Right... because he's really showing Putin who's boss at the moment, isn't he.

Pretty much. Killing Russians in Syria and expelling 65 Russian diplomats not releasing sanctions, Yeah, I would say so.

No mixed signals at all there, then. Putin must be quaking in terror with talk like that coming out of the US administration.

He doesn't have to quake, but he wants something that we have that he can't get and that access to our markets and the sanctions that are digging in his side that he wants released. And with an economy the size of Texas that is frustrating to a man like Vlad. So quaking, No. Teed off, you betcha!

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But bass, weren’t you criticizing Trump like the rest of us?

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But bass, weren’t you criticizing Trump like the rest of us?

Yes, but there's a difference between critical construction criticism and constant 24/7 dog piling.

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Presumably, Trump likes Putin because a) he gets to rule for as long as he wants; and b) he deals with protesters and critics by having them killed.

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Putin is far, far smarter than Trump and Trump looks like the beta male in his company. Xi is another who towers over Trump. They also actually know things. Trump gibbering about Montenegro was cringeworthy. It reminded me of his legendary car crash interview when the subject of Ukraine came up. Out of his depth.

I think the inferiority complex of people who hate intelligent types ‘talking down’ to them is a real problem. Voting for a trash-talking lout may be consoling or soothing but it has terrible consequences.

Some people are smarter then you - get over it.

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They daren't speak out for fear of losing Trump's supporters in the mid-term elections. 

Simon, they've got it lucky - criticize Putin as a Russian and you may well find yourself dead, even if you flee abroad.

The "details being worked out" part is interesting. No American, not even administration members, knows exactly what happened during Trump's two-hour "summit" meeting with Putin (it wasn't a summit; it was a private chat), though, ominously, Putin has hinted that some agreements were reached.

I predict a massive backlash by the "deep state," the professionals who make the machine function, particularly if Trump insists on another private chat.

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And Trump sells out the US once again. Didn't take him long after his treason the other day. And what's more, he shows Putin that there is zero punishment for being a dictator and murdering rivals, let alone for starting wars and shooting down civilian planes. Trump is once again a traitor and a coward.

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Putin can join Trump in supporting congressional candidates of their (likely mutual) choice. yeah great idea, Putin can do a round of campaigning for Trump, and throw a few extra campaign pledges in like making Russia another external state of America like GUAM. In return Putin will let Trump build a tower in each of Russias main cities. Trump will become a gazillionare and Putin will be his master.

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 he deals with protesters and critics by having them killed. Trump stated he could shoot someone on main street and he wouldnt lose a vote. All he needs to do now is just get congress to change the constitution for him.

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July 12 09:55 pm JST Posted in: Trump claims victory after forcing NATO crisis talks See in context

Based on Trump the Chump's threats to his close allies he will no doubt invite Putin to Washington for a state visit in the near future.

Reverse diplomacy is now a thing.

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While not a state visit (at this stage) I called it!

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A fine example would be 911 and we all came together as a country.

By tooling up against Afghanistan and an illegal invasion of Iraq.

By allowing the perpetrators of 911 - Saudi Arabia to grow even richer with all the business and weapons deals.

By kidnapping, torturing and imprisoning people without trial.

Marvellous, hold your head up high stuff indeed.

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As we all know, Trump's intellect is not deep, he's no philosopher, so he's as transparent as they come. He sincerely (but erroneously) believes he has the people skills to establish a close personal relation with Putin that would be good for Bizness and, world peace (meh!). Trouble is, there are anti-Russian elements in the USA, more powerful than the increasingly isolated POTUS. They will prevail. Trump is toast.

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It’s a funny old world when liberals are up in arms about commies, and yet the conservatives are taking it all in their stride!

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Every so often in our 242 year history. A rebirth occurs through purge. I have said it before and I will say it again. America will never be reduced to a drowning wailing swimmer or a third world country. These statements are preposterous. America is great. Will remain great. Even great in its darkest controversial times and politics. A fine example would be 911 and we all came together as a country. We are a young nation full Patriots. President Trump says. Make America Great Again. I say she is already great young and learning.

Very stirring... I imagine you were humming "My country 'tis of thee" whilst writing, but whistling as you stroll past the grave-yard, though understandable, isn't going to save you, son. You've elected a madman, a charlatan, a witch doctor, a cretin - to be perfectly frank. Nevertheless, good luck and keep your chin up.

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It’s a funny old world when liberals are up in arms about commies

What commies?

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It’s a funny old world when liberals are up in arms about commies

Not being a liberal, I wouldn't know if they're up in arms or not but who are these "commies" you refer to?

It can't be Russians, surely. Otherwise I might as well start referring to American cops as "pinkertons"...

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Trump the big sellout makes you wander what the Russians got on him.

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I dont know if this was stage managed or what, but I think the Director of Intelligence could certainly look forward to a 2nd life as a Comedian.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/trump-says-hes-looking-forward-to-second-summit-with-putin/2018/07/19/450a0424-8b59-11e8-8aea-86e88ae760d8_story.html?noredirect=on&utm_term=.eaa9124b5dbd

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I wonder if there's some movement in the backrooms of the Republican party.

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And Trump sells out the US once again. Didn't take him long after his treason the other day. And what's more, he shows Putin that there is zero punishment for being a dictator and murdering rivals, let alone for starting wars and shooting down civilian planes.

Treasonous?? No, not at all.

Trump is once again a traitor and a coward.

For example?

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 I dont know if this was stage managed or what, but I think the Director of Intelligence could certainly look forward to a 2nd life as a Comedian.

Stage managed what? The latest talent among stand-up Comedians is Donald D. Trump :)

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bass4funkToday 11:43 am JST

"Right... because he's really showing Putin who's boss at the moment, isn't he."

Pretty much. Killing Russians in Syria and expelling 65 Russian diplomats not releasing sanctions,

And abased himself before Putin in such a weak, grovelling fashion that even you described it as pathetic.

Yeah, I would say so.

But you write stuff like "critical construction criticism" so it's not so easy to take anything you would say seriously.

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And abased himself before Putin in such a weak, grovelling fashion that even you described it as pathetic.

Can’t blame the man, I would never throw the intelligence agency a bone knowing that they’ve been on a witch hunt with their Democrat posse to rye and take me out. Because they would’ve run with it and beat it to a pulp like everything else.

But you write stuff like "critical construction criticism" so it's not so easy to take anything you would say seriously.

I understand. I feel the same about you guys as well.

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Putin on the other hand has a history of duping Presidents since Reagan, treacherous is an understatement.

What?

Putin was a young man in the KGB when Reagan was PotUS. Do I need to furnish you with evidence and links?

I could probably double that offer.

Quod erat demonstrandum.

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Putin was a young man in the KGB when Reagan was PotUS.

Yeah, you’re too young to know.

Do I need to furnish you with evidence and links?

https://youtu.be/LZUu5WraroM

As I said, Putin has been at this game with every President since Reagan.

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I expect such nonsense from our resident rightists who want everyone to see everyone from Jeremy Corbyn to Hillary Clinton as Lenin, but I thought you were a cut above such things. Nomenclature matters--you're talking about partisan democrats, full stop.

I would never compare Corbyn and Clinton to Lenin. Neither of them have one iota of the competence he demonstrated.

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bass4funkToday 05:50 pm JST

But you write stuff like "critical construction criticism" so it's not so easy to take anything you would say seriously.

I understand.

Do you. Really. I don't get that impression from your stock "right back at you" rebuttal. Well, if you can't see the problems with an expression like that then any attempt at rational discourse is obviously wasted on you.

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"An official visit by a Russian president to the United States is a rare event: the last time was in June 2010 with Dmitri Medvedev, now Russian prime minister."

That was when Obama said to Medvedev, "After my election I have more flexibilty," and Medvedev replied "I will transmit this information to Vladimir."

"Trump the big sellout makes you wander what the Russians got on him."

Must be Vlad has a video of Trump and Stormy. Mueller must be begging Putin for a copy as he doesn't have anything else on him. Tee hee!

"Trump is toast."

That's what they kept saying in 2016.

Draft articles of impeachment"

You have to have evidence of a crime, we don't have that here. Hillary has committed crimes, but she remains untouchable.

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Donny Dimwit : "Here ya go Poots, I've been keeping YOUR chair warm for you."

Poots: "Thank you Dimwit...I mean Donny. Now get me a diet coke."

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It's fascinating to see hawkish dems who're ready to start a new Crusade to enforce their "true religion" and almost peaceable republicans.

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Do you. Really. I don't get that impression from your stock "right back at you" rebuttal. Well, if you can't see the problems with an expression like that then any attempt at rational discourse is obviously wasted on you.

I understand, I do have that same feeling about the left as well, so we are in agreement here.

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I understand, I do have that same feeling about the left as well, so we are in agreement here.

False equivalency. We're speaking of a single far-right extremist which you're trying to equivocate to half of the entire political spectrum. The fact that you think there could even be any kind of equivalence across half of the entire political spectrum to be able to make a blanket statement about that half, shows just how extreme right you are. The further to either extreme you get, the more people in that extreme are unable to have nuanced thoughts on topics, and can only see an A or B option.

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StrangerlandToday 10:32 am JST

"I understand, I do have that same feeling about the left as well, so we are in agreement here."

False equivalency. We're speaking of a single far-right extremist which you're trying to equivocate to half of the entire political spectrum.

Not surprising, as he really doesn't seem to understand my point at all.

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Not surprising, as he really doesn't seem to understand my point at all.

No, actually I do. Lol

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That's what they kept saying in 2016.

What was the crime?

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bass4funkToday  06:38 pm JST

Not surprising, as he really doesn't seem to understand my point at all.

No, actually I do. Lol

What, you understand that your frequent and extremely basic errors with English, e.g. "critical construction criticism" rather than "constructive criticism" make you look like someone who can barely read or write? That's not a comment on "the right," by the way, although your poorly-written comments would make me extremely embarrassed to be associated with you if I held similar political views.

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https://youtu.be/LZUu5WraroM

As I said, Putin has been at this game with every President since Reagan.

29 whole minutes. Can you summarise this?

Yeah, you’re too young to know.

Perhaps you could explain, instead of patronise? Thanks.

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For all the Trump supporters who have surrendered to Putin, the sellouts, just to let you know you can learn Russian for free on Duolingo. Your best bet to becoming the local apparatchik for your neighbourhood. Impress your GOP friends

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