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Senator Chuck Schumer addressing the 6th Annual Immigration Law and Policy Conference at Georgetown University in 2009:

".......illegal immigration is wrong, plain and simple."

"People who enter the United States without our permission are illegal aliens, and illegal aliens should not be treated the same as people who entered the United States legally,"

"Any immigration solution must recognize that we must do as much as we can to gain operational control of our borders as soon as possible."

What changed Senator Schumer?

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What changed Senator Schumer?

Nothing. You fear-driven conservatives incorrectly believe a wall is the only way to gain operational control over the border, so incorrectly believe anyone not for the wall is for open borders.

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What changed Senator Schumer?

What changed was that the right-wing deep-state fake-news MSM bubble started spreading the lie that he wants open borders, which a bunch of right-wingers too stupid to fact check it believed, causing them to feel that Schumer changed between then and now.

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The most astounding thing is that the GOP as a whole is endorsing the idea that we can/ should make policy based on demonstrably false information. They haven't lost their minds, they've just lost their integrity.

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 he would be "proud to shut down the government for border security."

He has since blamed Democrats for the shutdown.

Was Trump flip-flopping again, or was he just once more using the media (including his bosses at Fox'news' and other far-right outlets), getting them to focus closer attention on his shiny squirrel the wall as a way of distracting them from the Mueller investigations, failure at getting healthcare (except for himself and the county's richest), and the rapidly declining state of the environment since he and the GOP started axing environmental protection measures to ensure big oil, gas and coal can pollute with fewer restraints.

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Tomorrow Pelosi will force the GOP to vote against legislation that they already voted for last month. Now they can share in the blame.

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Tactical error. They should have demanded that DHS brief the new Congress.

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According to Sen. Gidley when the meeting was ready to start and Trump introduced Sec. Nielsen and asked her to begin the briefing report as to what’s happening along the border within 15 seconds into the hearing Chucky did like what Democrats always do as in the Kavanaugh case, interrupted her and started the usual filibuster. So once again, the Democrats (not really typical) tip their hand to show that they don’t care about border security, they never did for 35 years and I don’t see that changing anytime soon. Democrats in California don’t care and it’s visually evident, so why would Washington Democrats care? Mitch McConnell just said a few minutes ago, legislation the New Democrat house passes his desk at the Senate, it’s going to be DOA. So at this point, we will have a very divided government for the next foreseeable future. Sad, very sad.

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So once again, the Democrats (not really typical) tip their hand to show that they don’t care about border security, they never did for 35 years and I don’t see that changing anytime soon.

And then back in reality...

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Chucky

Democrats always

again, the Democrats

they never did for 35 years

Democrats in California

the New Democrat house

"'@jj10471 @realDonaldTrump if you were in office this would of never happen #trump2016'" True!

--Donald J. Trump (October 2, 2013)

"Leadership: Whatever happens, you're responsible. If it doesn't happen, you're responsible."

--Donald J. Trump (November 9, 2013)

Trumpism: the cult of good ol' American consistency and personal responsibility.

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If you are against the border wall, put your money where your mouth is.

https://www.nbc-2.com/story/39715737/man-starts-gofundme-for-tunnel-under-trump-border-wall

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@bas4 So at this point, we will have a very divided government for the next foreseeable future. 

After lauding the R's for dividing government during the Obama years, it's good to read you've evolved.

I assume that means you want to see the separate but equal branches of government working in harmony for the good of all American people, not just for Trump and the minority of Americans who continue to support him.

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Yes, reality....

https://www.investors.com/politics/editorials/illegal-immigration-democrats-open-borders/

1) For years, Democrats tried to portray themselves as tough on border security, even as they argued for amnesty for all illegal immigrants currently in the country. Sometimes they slipped, as Hillary Clinton did when, in a paid speech in 2013, she talked about her dream of open borders. (She quickly tried to explain away her comment, once it surfaced, as having to do with energy.)

But several events over the past few days have blown the party's cover on illegal immigration.

2) Senate Democrats are now pushing a bill that would effectively establish "catch and release" as federal policy.

3) eight Democrats co-sponsored an actual abolish-ICE bill. 

4) Democrats want to neuter the one agency responsible for enforcing border security. They want to make it easy for illegals who cross to stay in the country. And they want to give them the right to vote.

Leading Democrats also adamantly oppose building a secure border wall. They support "sanctuary cities" that actively protect illegals from deportation. And they want to grant every illegal in the country amnesty.

And we're supposed to believe that Democrats aren't for open borders simply because they say so?

I’m still befuddled by what the Democrats mean when they say, they are for border security, but what do they mean?

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1) For years, Democrats tried to portray themselves as tough on border security, even as they argued for amnesty for all illegal immigrants currently in the country.

And then back in reality...

2) Senate Democrats are now pushing a bill that would effectively establish "catch and release" as federal policy.

And then back in reality...

3) eight Democrats co-sponsored an actual abolish-ICE bill. 

ICE is the most corrupt organization in the history of humanity. They run child-prostitution rings through tunnels they take over from the cartels, using taco-stands on the American side. A 'fish taco, no hair' get's you a 12 year old South American girl, with all funds going right to ICE.

4) Democrats want to neuter the one agency responsible for enforcing border security. They want to make it easy for illegals who cross to stay in the country. And they want to give them the right to vote.

And then back in reality...

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Limousine liberals want to live in walled communities but don't want regular citizens to have the same security.

Famous British lefty Richard Branson is against the UK controlling border crossing but doesn't allow anyone else to visit his private island.

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And we're supposed to believe that Democrats aren't for open borders simply because they say so?

No, you're supposed to believe it because it's reality. You're supposed to believe it because it's not the lie you guys bounce about the bubble. Of course, some people don't care about reality, only about hyper-partisan talking points they prefer to delude themselves into believing is reality. To the rest of us though, they are clearly like the ostrich with its head in the sand, thinking no one can see it as a result.

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ICE is the most corrupt organization in the history of humanity. They run child-prostitution rings through tunnels they take over from the cartels, using taco-stands on the American side. A 'fish taco, no hair' get's you a 12 year old South American girl, with all funds going right to ICE.

...and back to reality...

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/ice-needs-reform-not-abolition/2018/07/06/5d2cec0e-8133-11e8-b658-4f4d2a1aeef1_story.html?utm_term=.fb472ae9d690

The reality is that abolishing ICE is not a serious policy proposal; it’s about as serious as the claim that Mexico’s “gonna pay for the wall.”

Elections have consequences. Those consequences are changes in policy, not typically the creation or elimination of whole agencies. If Americans don’t like ICE’s current enforcement polices, the public should demand a change in those policies, or a change in the leaders who promulgate those policies. During the Vietnam War, millions of Americans demanded an end to the war; no one seriously demanded that we abolish the entire Defense Department. Obviously, that would have completely compromised national security.

To a lesser extent, the outright abolition of ICE would compromise public safety. ICE is a law-enforcement agency. It consists of essentially two components: enforcement and removal operations, or ERO, and homeland security investigations, or HSI, which is dedicated to the investigation of cross-border crimes such as smuggling dangerous drugs and contraband, the theft of intellectual property, child pornography and human trafficking.

Pretty much.

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It doesn't make a lot of sense for Democrats to cater to a group of people who can't vote. And it wouldn't make sense to help those people vote illegally as Dems already rule California with or without their votes.

What happened was that the GOP needed a reason. They couldn't just go out there and say, "Democrats want illegals to come in because they love having illegals everywhere around them." No one would believe that.

So, they invented a reason. Illegal voters. That's what Democrats are getting, and our motivation isn't that the wall is a waste of money, it's because we're profiting from not having it. The bubble told them what our reason was, and they believe it despite never hearing any of us actually say it.

It makes me wonder, do they think that when Democrats are alone we fist bump each other for our great work importing illegal voters? You know, our plan and our reason for stopping the wall?

We won't give you the wall because yes, it's dumb. Another reason is that we refuse to be held hostage by your nutball conspiracies. It's time to grow up.

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It doesn't make a lot of sense for Democrats to cater to a group of people who can't vote.

Doesn’t stop California or other States...

Noncitizen voting is also legal in two other cities in Prince Georges County—Hyattsville and Mount Rainier—as well as the neighboring Montgomery County cities of Takoma Park, Barnesville, Garrett Park, Glen Echo, Martin’s Additions and Somerset.

Noncitizens are still barred from voting in federal and statewide elections, but municipalities have discretion to override that on a local level. Chicago, for example, allows noncitizens to vote in local school council elections, according to the National Conference of State Legislatures. And San Francisco voted last November to allow noncitizens—even the undocumented—to vote in school board elections if they have children in the school district. 

https://www.newsweek.com/immigrants-are-getting-right-vote-cities-across-america-664467

So, they invented a reason. Illegal voters. That's what Democrats are getting, and our motivation isn't that the wall is a waste of money, it's because we're profiting from not having it. The bubble told them what our reason was, and they believe it despite never hearing any of us actually say it.

Scary!

https://www.onenewsnow.com/politics-govt/2018/08/01/54-of-dems-polled-give-illegals-right-to-vote

We won't give you the wall because yes, it's dumb. Another reason is that we refuse to be held hostage by your nutball conspiracies. It's time to grow up.

Ok, so border security is dumb. Boy, I see another 2010 happening to Democrats looming again.

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@bas4 Ok, so border security is dumb

No one said that. Another imaginable voice existing alongside perhaps within the phantom-like deep state inside an overly suspicious, always fearful partisan extremists's head.

But when partisan extremists can only see extreme poles, nothing in between, that's to be expected.

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so border security is dumb.

To reiterate, a concrete wall is dumb. That's what Trump wants, and he's not going to get it.

He said solid, concrete, "beautiful" WALL. That MEXICO was going to pay for. Now that neither of those things seem remotely possible, Cult 45 is changing the conversation and accusing Democrats of being against border security in general.

Trump does this kind of thing all the time, making up crap when the factual evidence doesn't confirm he's King of the Universe. He recently lied to troops in Iraq that he got them a 10% pay raise. In reality, military pay rose 2.4% in 2018. In Obama's second year, military pay rose 3.4%. That must really get to Trump. Liberals are supposed to be the ones who are "weak on defense".

The wall was a harebrained idea that has been used politically to stoke fear and hatred in gullible, low-information voters. Keep on feeling that fear and hatred, 'cause you ain't getting your wall. It keeps people like Rush Limbaugh, Laura Ingraham, and Sean Hannity in rolling in dough, though. Fear and loathing is their bread and butter. You think they honestly care about border security?

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No one said that.

That’s the problem, the Democrats didn’t say anything that proves otherwise on the issue. They say, of course we want, we want....we want what? Are Democrats that disconnected from reality to give specifics? I know it’s hard for them to formulate their lack of ideas for comprehensive border security, but giving critical details as how they would do it does help.

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To reiterate, a concrete wall is dumb.

Then we don’t need prisons or banks....

That's what Trump wants, and he's not going to get it.

And neither will the Democrats, McConnel reiterated that fact a few hours ago.

Trump does this kind of thing all the time, making up crap when the factual evidence doesn't confirm he's King of the Universe. He recently lied to troops in Iraq that he got them a 10% pay raise. In reality, military pay rose 2.4% in 2018. In Obama's second year, military pay rose 3.4%. That must really get to Trump. Liberals are supposed to be the ones who are "weak on defense".

What does that have to do with the Democrats funding the wall? First they were for border security, Chucky said so and the obstructionist Democrats as in true Democrat fashion reneged on their words, no surprise there.

The wall was a harebrained idea that has been used politically to stoke fear and hatred in gullible, low-information voters.

I’m sorry, but before there was a Trump on the scene, Obama, Schumer, Clinton all were for a wall, Trump is just agreeing with them.

Keep on feeling that fear and hatred, 'cause you ain't getting your wall. It keeps people like Rush Limbaugh, Laura Ingraham, and Sean Hannity in rolling in dough, though. Fear and loathing is their bread and butter. You think they honestly care about border security?

Yes, we will keep the fear and desire for wanting a secured border, we will also remember that died because Democrats believe protecting illegals, keeping sanctuary cities and having open borders is more important than protecting Americans. Democrats seem to forget, but thank God FNC doesn’t..

http://www.ojjpac.org/memorial.asp

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the Democrats didn’t say anything that proves otherwise on the issue.

I know it’s hard for them to formulate their lack of ideas for comprehensive border security, 

Why don't you do some basic research on this instead of whining about it on JT. You're completely wrong.

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Bass: Doesn’t stop California or other States...

Just dumb.

California votes blue by a wider margin that any state in th US. Just dumb to think they would hatch a fake voting scheme there.

Just totally, totally dumb,

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Just dumb.

Yes, Democrats policies are exactly that.

California votes blue by a wider margin that any state in th US.

Just dumb to think they would hatch a fake voting scheme there.

I don’t have to think to see and know. California votes by a wide blue margin, of course and one reason why is having a slight advantage of Democrats relying on illegal immigrant votes.

https://www.investors.com/politics/editorials/by-handing-out-drivers-licenses-far-left-california-invites-illegals-to-stay-and-taxpayers-to-pay/

Illegal Immigration: 1,001,000. It's a big number, especially since it represents the number of so-called undocumented immigrants who now have driver's licenses in California, according to the state's Department of Motor Vehicles. Welcome to the Golden State's special brand of lunacy. Providing documents to "undocumented immigrants," of course, merely makes them "immigrants." That's the intent, we suppose, of a law that makes it not only legal but easy to remain in California, even if you commit felonies once you are here. All they have to do, thanks to that 2013 law, is "prove their identity and residence within the state," according to the Sacramento Bee.

Just totally, totally dumb.

I think so, but whatever helps you win, I guess.

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Schumer and Democrats are weak on border security.

Period.

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As Congress prepares to start exercising oversight, Trump tries to change the subject by shutting down the government. He is willing to damage the lives of millions of Americans in an effort to draw attention away from his corruption, fraud, and treason.

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Schumer and Democrats are weak on border security.

Nope. Period.

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I don’t have to think to see and know. California votes by a wide blue margin, of course and one reason why is having a slight advantage of Democrats relying on illegal immigrant votes.

Democrats do not rely on votes from undocumented immigrants. The link you provided was to an editorial that in no way supports your asinine assertion that democrats rely on votes from undocumented immigrants.

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Nope. Period.

Whaf have they done to decrease border incursion and crime and the flow of illegal immigrants coming in. Where have they been tough on border security? Give me a specific list.

Democrats do not rely on votes from undocumented immigrants.

The results and stats say otherwise.

https://www.constitutionparty.com/illegal-alien-crime-and-violence-by-the-numbers-were-all-victims/

https://www.dailyrepublic.com/all-dr-news/opinion/local-opinion-columnists/the-right-stuff-migrants-in-us-illegally-should-not-be-allowed-to-vote/

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Nope. Period.

President Clinton was saying the same things in the 1990s that Trump is saying now, but since a Republican wants it, the Democrats don't? Weak.

Democrats had 4 yrs to do anything about the border issue. What came from that? Weak.

This last election season, I came across a number of websites which clearly stated, "You have the right to vote. If anyone tries to stop you, call the Election Protection Hotline ... " https://www.vote.org/ is an example....

Congress is wrong about the shutdown. So is Trump. We send our representatives to Washington to make compromises. As someone in the center, I blame the far left and the far right for their politics which is harming the country.

Schumer and Democrats are still weak on border security.

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What changed Senator Schumer?

The Democratic party is the party of the masses. They change their position constantly in order to appeal to the masses since the democratic party's only concern is votes--either illeagal or not; dead or alive. They're the pop music and Jerry Springer of politics. Chuck the Schmuck is just playing the game. Then Trump won. The democratic party is realizing that people are slowly waking up to the realities of the democratic plantation. They are scared of losing votes. Hence they want amnesty for all and sundry. Open boarders, free food, health care, education, etc. They know illeagals, when given amnesty and welfare, will vote for the democrats. The biggest weapon of the democratic party is welfare.

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Here's an eye opener to lies of the democrats concerning immigration.

https://youtu.be/R-HS8P0l_KU

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Noidall: The Democratic party is the party of the masses. They change their position constantly in order to appeal to the masses since the democratic party's only concern is votes--either illeagal or not; dead or alive. They're the pop music and Jerry Springer of politics. Chuck the Schmuck is just playing the game. Then Trump won. The democratic party is realizing that people are slowly waking up to the realities of the democratic plantation. They are scared of losing votes. Hence they want amnesty for all and sundry. Open boarders, free food, health care, education, etc. They know illeagals, when given amnesty and welfare, will vote for the democrats. The biggest weapon of the democratic party is welfare.

This accurately describes what the bubble says is the position of Democrats. It sounds strange to actual Democrats since it’s all made up stuff, but people should understand what the bubble is feeding the base. They keep repeating this over and over to themselves to the point where no other reasons exist.

What people like this need to understand is that you will never have your wall. You can keep repeating the same disinformation as much as you want but it doesn’t get you any closer to burning through $25 billion in cash on useless vanity projects. We won’t allow your emotions to waste our tax dollars.

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So "bubble" is the democratic catch phrase for 2019? You guys always speak in the same language. Learn a different language why don't ya, and maybe things won't sound so strange to.

P.S.: I didn't intend to offend you by saying things you interpret to be strange. I totally respect your safe space.

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The results and stats say otherwise.

https://www.constitutionparty.com/illegal-alien-crime-and-violence-by-the-numbers-were-all-victims/

https://www.dailyrepublic.com/all-dr-news/opinion/local-opinion-columnists/the-right-stuff-migrants-in-us-illegally-should-not-be-allowed-to-vote/

Your first link makes no reference to illegal immigrants voting, and has no statistics on illegal immigrants voting.

Your second explicitly notes that illegal immigrants cannot vote, and also has no statistics on illegal voting, rather it is making a philosophical argument.

I can’t believe I have to tell you this again, for what feels like the 100th time, but: your arguments will go better if you actually read the articles you link to. Stop typing “immigrants bad” into Google and just copy-pasting links based on headlines. It’s basic errors like this that mean you keep posting anti-Trump articles while mistakenly thinking they are pro-Trump. This sort of lazy slap-dash “research” would get you thrown out of any newsroom in America.

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Your first link makes no reference to illegal immigrants voting, and has no statistics on illegal immigrants voting.

As to an exact accurate number is unknown, that was never the point, the point is, virtually every liberal NOT conservative repeat and acknowledge this, so if the most liberal news outlets can admit, there is no way you can say it’s a liberal conspiracy. Also If liberals don’t like border security then just say so, but don’t pretend they are for it when they are clearly not

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It’s not a question of an exact number. It isn’t mentioned AT ALL. If you actually read the article, you would know this.

I agree that Trump’s nonsense claim that millions of illegal immigrants voting is not a liberal conspiracy theory. It’s a far-right conspiracy theory. One which you endorse.

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It’s not a question of an exact number. It isn’t mentioned AT ALL. If you actually read the article, you would know this.

Doesn't matter and that was never the point, the point is, this shouldn’t be happening as it is and liberals don’t care, but if liberals think it’s a hoax, then we can also say, there is No such thing as voter suppression.

Be fair. I know it’s hard for Democrats and liberals, but it does go a long way

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This sort of lazy slap-dash “research” would get you thrown out of any newsroom in America.

Except Fox "News".

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Doesn't matter and that was never the point, the point is, this shouldn’t be happening as it is and liberals don’t care, but if liberals think it’s a hoax, then we can also say, there is No such thing as voter suppression.

The difference being that the idea illegals are voting in any significant numbers is the domain of morons who are too stupid to fact check themselves, whereas voter suppression is something that can be shown to actually being done, through proof evidence and facts.

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Doesn't matter and that was never the point,

Then why did you link to an irrelevant article? Conservative incoherence again.

the point is, this shouldn’t be happening as it is and liberals don’t care,

It isn’t happening.

but if liberals think it’s a hoax, then we can also say, there is No such thing as voter suppression.

No, you can’t. Voter suppression is real, and the only electoral fraud in the US in the last midterms was perpetuated by the GOP. But you don’t care about that.

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Doesn't matter and that was never the point, the point is, this shouldn’t be happening as it is and liberals don’t care, but if liberals think it’s a hoax, then we can also say, there is No such thing as voter suppression.

Stranger and Sneezy handled this logic failure quite well.

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