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Trump says he wants to end right of citizenship for U.S.-born children of non-citizens, illegal immigrants

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Trump and his supporters are so ignorant that they think a constitutional amendment can be change via executive order. Hahahahaha!

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Lindsey Graham

“Finally, a president willing to take on this absurd policy of birthright citizenship," Graham said in a string of tweets Tuesday morning. “I’ve always supported comprehensive immigration reform – and at the same time – the elimination of birthright citizenship."

He later added that he plans to introduce legislation “along the same lines” as the proposed executive order from President Trump.

At least this way, they’re going in the right step.

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At least this way, they’re going in the right step.

Except that doing so would require an Amendment to the US Constitution. This isn't 'legislation,' as the words are clear and held up in US jurisprudence. So unless they wish to violate the Constitution and use some activist judges, their attempt is just bluff and bluster.

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Yep legislation. Unlike the made up DACA program.

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Isn’t it great that an originalist and constitutional expert is now on the Supreme Court? Supreme Court Justice Brett Kavanaugh. Thanks Avenatti!

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This is pretty low-hanging fruit. I don't see the majority of people having a problem with this.

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Trump and his Republican cohorts attempt to take a chain saw to the US Constitution - and they have the audacity to call themselves patriotic Americans...

Take away the 14th Amendment, next comes the separation of church and state, freedom of the press, the right to free speech, due process - etc. etc.

Then the chant Lock Her/Him Up will become reality...and America will be a mirror of Russia, China, NKorea and Iran... 

Don't let the ultra-right Russian Republicans take our country down the path of fascism and tyranny...

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Trump and his supporters are so ignorant they think a constitutional amendment can be changed via legislation. Hahahahaha!

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I suppose it's theoretical possible. Children of diplomats born in the US are not entitled to citizenship since they don't satisfy the second limb of the 14th amendment test (which is being subject to the jurisdiction of the US). In theory congress could pass a law which exempts all newborn babies from the jurisdiction of the United States. It would be a bit weird, to say the least.

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I suppose it's theoretical possible. Children of diplomats born in the US are not entitled to citizenship since they don't satisfy the second limb of the 14th amendment test (which is being subject to the jurisdiction of the US). In theory congress could pass a law which exempts all newborn babies from the jurisdiction of the United States. It would be a bit weird, to say the least.

Good point, that Graham is contemplating legislation to start the process is a good move.

Harry Reid seemed to agree with it.

https://youtu.be/JFO0fRxsuY4

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Trump - “We’re the only country in the world where a person comes in and has a baby, and the baby is essentially a citizen of the United States for 85 years with all of those benefits."

We are also the only country in the world to which you can move from a foreign land, live and prosper, raise a family, strengthen your community, and, when you take the oath and become a citizen, be as thoroughly American as someone who is descended from those who arrived on the Mayflower.

A lot of us are extremely proud of that fact, and we will not let a raging ignoramus like Trump change it.

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Hahaha, after years of whining about non-existent constitutional violations under Obama, right wingers just go “yep, screw the constitution” when it enables their xenophobia. Nasty people.

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We are also the only country in the world to which you can move from a foreign land, live and prosper, raise a family, strengthen your community, and, when you take the oath and become a citizen, be as thoroughly American as someone who is descended from those who arrived on the Mayflower.

Yes, if there is a legitimate reason, granting citizenship is a privilege, not a right and you need to either earn it or at least in the case of persecution be able to show that your life is in danger and to be able to have some skill sets that you can apply to this country.

A lot of us are extremely proud of that fact, and we will not let a raging ignoramus like Trump change it.

A lot of us are proud that we have a President that we love and support and is not afraid to challenge the status quo and the idiot establishment big shots in Washington that care only about winning elections and nothing else.

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Yes, if there is a legitimate reason, granting citizenship is a privilege, not a right

But it's in the constitution. You always say owning a gun is a right, because it is in the constitution. And this is in the constitution. Which would make it a right. But above you are saying it's not a right. Even though it's in the constitution, which you say is what makes owning guns a right.

Now anyone over an IQ of 75 (which is of extremely low intelligence) can see the hypocrisy in the above statements.

But let's see what Bass says in reply...

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"he would issue an executive order on so-called birthright citizenship"

This president, when he took the oath of office, pledged to uphold the Constitution. Now he threatens to take a wrecking ball to it. This is the guy who criticized President Obama for governing by executive order.

You can only amend the constitution with a super majority vote of congress and then 3/4 of the states would have to vote to accept the changes.

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Constitutionally, there is no birthright citizenship for illegal aliens.

Trump is ending anchor babies, not birthright.

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Trump can't just change the US Constitution, but it does need some changes and not just related to citizenship as a birthright for everyone.

Citizenship for birth should happen only if parents are in the USA legally, fully documented, with permanent residency. If one of the parents is in the country illegally, then they must be legally married for citizenship to transfer by birth.

Some other changes are needed too. Topics for other articles.

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But it's in the constitution.

And that’s why Thankfully Lindsey Graham and some more on the hill I thinking about changing the 14th amendment and are now drafting up the legislation for that in with the new supreme court that we have now that my go in our favor.

But it seems like there are a lot of people in Washington with the political agenda with low IQ intelligence that simply don’t want this. Gosh, even Harry Reid thought this was stupid, for once I agree with that guy.

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You can only amend the constitution with a super majority vote of congress and then 3/4 of the states would have to vote to accept the changes.

Don’t worry, he’s working on trying to change that through legislation.

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Constitutionally, there is no birthright citizenship for illegal aliens.

This is demonstrably false.

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Conservatives can't get things done following the rules, so they want to change them. No respect for anything.

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All the more reason why Congress is coming together now and to think about the best way to do this, that’s respect in the lava coming together and that’s what they do for, I can appreciate that

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Trump is ending anchor babies, not birthright.

Constitutionally, anchor babies have birthright.

Why do you hate the constitution? Why do you disrespect it by even daring to say it needs questioning? Where is your patriotism? These people have a constitutional right to be Americans, defined by the same constitutional right Americans have to own guns.

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All the more reason why Congress is coming together now and to think about the best way to do this, that’s respect in the lava coming together and that’s what they do for, I can appreciate that

Why do you hate the constitution? Why do you disrespect it so much? These people have the same right to be Americans as you have to have guns. Literally the exact same right. When we point out the problems and illogicality of gun ownership, you always retreat to 'it's my constitutional right' every single time. Well, it's these people's constitutional right to be Americans, and if you disagree, you hate the constitution, and you hate America.

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The Supreme Court will determine the constitutionality of this issue. Well the ones who didn’t wake up this morning, hear of this and already decide how they will vote.

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We know that the conservative justices on the Supreme Court predetermine their votes before hearing the cases. Thanks for pointing that out.

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@blacklbel Well the ones who didn’t wake up this morning, hear of this and already decide how they will vote.

You seem to have inside info that Kavanaugh has already been told by Trump and the other GOP who pushed him through how to vote. But that's what Trump's followers said they wanted.

A properly functioning US democracy requires the balance and separation of powers be maintained, not tilted to give the executive too much control. A true conservative would agree. But most Trump supporters are NOT true conservatives.

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I can guarantee you that if two Americans have a baby born in Japan, that child is not granted Japanese citizenship. This is common sense. But if two Japanese have a baby born in the U.S. that child is a U.S. citizen according to some interpretations of the Constitution.

The 14th amendment was written after the civil war to give birthright citizenship to slaves that were brought here against their will and their children. It was never intended to give automatic citizenship to people who came into the country ILLEGALLY.

This will go to SCOTUS where it will be sorted out and the executive order confirmed.

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@CrazyJoe

.. be as thoroughly American as someone who is descended from those who arrived on the Mayflower.

Do you genuinely believe that should be the case? Let me put a hypothetical to you; a Native American couple leave the country to live overseas (say, Brazil). They have a child but never fill in the paperwork needed for the child to become an American citizen. At the age of 18 the child fills in the paperwork but is refused US citizenship because he has a serious criminal record. He isn't even allowed to enter the country where generations of his ancestors are buried. Is that fair or should his deep ties to America warrant special treatment? Is he not slightly 'more' American than a recent immigrant?

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Why do you hate the constitution? Why do you disrespect it so much?

Let me be profoundly clear for the record, I hate and never hated the constitution. I just agree with the President and other Republicans and including Democrats Reid that have commented this is wrong and it should be changed and I'm glad the President and especially Graham will finally draft a legislation eliminating this cancer. This is a start and I have no doubt once it gets to the Supreme Court with a now conservative majority it will be ratified.

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Let me be profoundly clear for the record, I hate and never hated the constitution. 

Yes... that's profoundly clear.

I can guarantee you that if two Americans have a baby born in Japan, that child is not granted Japanese citizenship. This is common sense. But if two Japanese have a baby born in the U.S. that child is a U.S. citizen according to some interpretations of the Constitution.

And? The number of times you guys go on about this being America and what they do in other countries doesn't matter... well, what happens in Japan should be of no consequence then.

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Elections have consequences. They allowed the appointment of judges and justices who support your views. Now they allow the appointment of those who support mine.

Dont like it? Win an election. Shouldn’t have let Hillary screw over Bernie with that superdelegate nonsense where delegates didnt have to vote for who the people chose.

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Harry Reid, lifelong Democrat:

"If making it easy to be an illegal alien isn't enough, how about offering a reward for being an illegal immigrant? No sane country would do that, right?" Reid said. "Guess again.....”

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Oh my...

The annual cost to the U.S. taxpayers of children born to illegal aliens is a staggering $2.4 billion

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GR-noDiGQ5Q

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Elections have consequences. They allowed the appointment of judges and justices who support your views.

Just amazing - says the guy who last year was applauding McConnell for withholding a vote on Merrick Garland – It’s spelled H-Y-P-O-C-R-I-S-Y

Dont like it? Win an election.

We will - tell your buddy Putin to stop interfering…

A lot of us are proud that we have a President that we love and support and is not afraid to challenge the status quo

Love? I’ve respected and admired a lot of Presidents, and have no respect for others (like the current one), but love? That’s weird, and sounds like something you’d hear during an interview on the street in Pyongyang…and really reinforces the argument that Trump supporters are a cult…

..and the idiot establishment big shots in Washington that care only about winning elections and nothing else.

Idiot, establishment big shots in Washington describes most of Trump’s cabinet…especially the idiot part…

But it seems like there are a lot of people in Washington with the political agenda with low IQ intelligence that simply don’t want this.

I guess if you support the Constitution, you are “low IQ intelligence”…. All you second amendment folks out there, this is what Trump supporters think of you…

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At least this way, they’re going in the right step.

As you're so fond of saying; never going to happen.

Let me be profoundly clear for the record, I hate and never hated the constitution

As clear as saying Rosenstein should be fired and also should not be fired.

Anyway, this is another one of Trump's nonsensical brain farts that will no doubt appeal to those who claim to love the US but then seek to dismantle it.

Stick it in the crank file with the rest.

I'm glad the President and especially Graham will finally draft a legislation eliminating this cancer.

Translation: birth = life = citizens = bad. Guns = death = citizens = good.

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Neither Graham nor Trump gave any details about the latest plan.

Translation: The election is around the corner, what should we make up today?

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Just amazing - says the guy who last year was applauding McConnell for withholding a vote on Merrick Garland – It’s spelled H-Y-P-O-C-R-I-S-Y

Which turned out to be a great thing.

I guess if you support the Constitution, you are “low IQ intelligence”…. All you second amendment folks out there, this is what Trump supporters think of you…

Not at all, it's just we can't continue to go down this road and let everyone in because they think there's a Target sale going on and this will be in the courts for awhile and I'm glad that Trump mentioned it as did Reid before him and now Graham wants to do something about it...finally. Love the Constitution, but if you have illegal immigrants trying to take advantage of that with that many people, then it's time Congress get to work on something that can protect our sovereign nation.

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As you're so fond of saying; never going to happen.

Maybe not with Trump issuing an executive order, but Graham and congress, most definitely.

Anyway, this is another one of Trump's nonsensical brain farts that will no doubt appeal to those who claim to love the US but then seek to dismantle it.

No, the haters don't speak for us, we love our country, our way of life which makes this even more important.

Stick it in the crank file with the rest.

With Schumer, Pelosi and the rest of the Democratic party

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I think there are over 30 countries in the world which offer unrestricted birthright citizenship (i.e. neither parent needs to be a citizen). Numerous others offer restricted birthright citizenship.

If Trump wants to go after this he should first ensure he has all facts straight.

I have mixed feelings about this issue as it is a fact that this is often abused and it no longer is used as originally intended. Regardless, the President should not shoot off his mouth unless he knows what he is talking about. If this is going to be a major legislation effort by the President he should ensure he sticks to facts.

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Just amazing - says the guy who last year was applauding McConnell for withholding a vote on Merrick Garland – It’s spelled H-Y-P-O-C-R-I-S-Y

Which turned out to be a great thing.

It's quote telling that you missed the point of the issue - it's not whether it was good or bad, it was the hypocrisy of a poster saying "elections had consequences" yet supporting McConnell denying President Obama his choice for SCOTUS.  As I've said several times, Trump supporters seem to lack a "hypocrisy gene"...

I guess if you support the Constitution, you are “low IQ intelligence”…. All you second amendment folks out there, this is what Trump supporters think of you…

Not at all, it's just we can't continue to go down this road and let everyone in because they think there's a Target sale going on and this will be in the courts for awhile and I'm glad that Trump mentioned it as did Reid before him and now Graham wants to do something about it...finally. Love the Constitution, but if you have illegal immigrants trying to take advantage of that with that many people, then it's time Congress get to work on something that can protect our sovereign nation.

You are for changing the 14th Amendment of the Constitution - and said people who opposed that view and supported it had "low IQ Intelligence" - therefore, according to your stated words, others who support the Constitution and its Amendments also lack "IQ", i.e, those that support the 2nd Amendment.  Your words...

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The 14th Amendment is not for Illegals / foreigners, it was written for people who used to be slaves.

We don't need to be subsidizing any more children of illegals.



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Comservatives are hilarious. They think they know more than constitutional scholars and the Supreme Court. Har!

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Chip - So, you think the 14th amendment was written for illegals. Watch SCOTUS prove you wrong.

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Chip - So, you think the 14th amendment was written for illegals. Watch SCOTUS prove you wrong

Yes, I do think the 14th Amendment was written for undocumented immigrants because they are people and the 14th Amendment was written for people. That is why it mentions citizens and people.

You should hold your breath until SCOTUS proves me wrong by overturning a century of jurisprudence.

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They think they know more than constitutional scholars and the Supreme Court. Har!

No, liberals and the media think they know better and their sagging ratings shows it.

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More deflections to liberals and the media when they weren't the topic. So predictable.

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Let me be profoundly clear for the record, I hate and never hated the constitution. 

Literally stumbled at the first and easiest conceivable hurdle.

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And elections did have consequences as Dems lost the House and Senate when Obama cost them over 1000 seats in overall government.

So judges and Supreme Court are approved there, not the Presidency, and liberals lost those elections. It always goes back to election results, and you simply can’t win with the negativity and lack of policies people can support.

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Why was the senate republican controlled? Cause....the 8 years of Obama made Dems lose elections. Even made them lose the Presidency when his preferred successor was rejected too.

Why is the senate and House Republican controlled now? Cause they won elections. It’s pretty simple.

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and rights for illegals

Reagan is the one who inked amnesty for 3M illegals and gave them all greencards. Illegal immigration is also rising sharply under Trump. Illegals are walking all over him.

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Schumer and all the other Dems had 1 million reasons why a vote couldn’t be scheduled for Kavanaugh. What happened? There was a vote anyway. Because there are more elected Republicans than Democrats. When Obama took over it was the exact opposite. What happened during those 8 years?

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The 14th amendment was written after the civil war to give birthright citizenship to slaves that were brought here against their will and their children. It was never intended to give automatic citizenship to people who came into the country ILLEGALLY.

But the slaves were illegal aliens - they were brought to America against their will

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Classic Trumpees thinking - "The 14th amend. was never meant to include illegal aliens".

Suppose they'll be saying - " The 2nd amend. (right to bear arms) was never meant to include fully automatic assault weapons".

Hardly. When it suits them, it suits them. When it doesn't, simple - just change the meaning.

Ya gotta luv 'em. Barrel of Laughs at their own expense.

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Trump is failing with immigration reform because he doesn't know how to work with others. Being nasty doesn't make anyone wish to help you. Trying to slow it with executive orders isn't working. While I don't agree with activist judges on the southern border, the USA is a nation of laws and a President acting like a dictator is worse.

Legal, permanent residents and existing citizens deserve for their children to gain citizenship.

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We've moved past Russian Facebook ads, Stormy Daniels and other childish diversions designed to prevent you from thinking clearly. This is a core debate.

The senator who wrote the citizenship clause in the 14th amendment, Jacob Howard of Michigan, explained the point of it on the Senate floor at that time:

" ( The amendment) will not, of course, include persons born in the United States who are foreigners, aliens, who belong to the families of ambassadors or foreign ministers."

Oh my...

Tucker: Election Day becoming referendum on immigration

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=He5qHHEqvKg

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The 14th amendment was written specifically for African Americans. The only case that's been before the Supreme Court was about someone who was in the country legally and gave birth while here, then returned back to China. The child, once grown, wanted to return and was told no. It went to the Supreme Court and they ruled in favor of him and ruled he was an American citizen by birth.

The key difference is that his parents were here legally. They did not sneak across the border and gain entrance illegally.

This difference in how they entered will make all the difference in the world and they will rule in favor of President Trump if it has to go to the Supreme Court for final decision.

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The 14th amendment was written specifically for African Americans. 

This whole thing doesn't matter to me. But can Trump keep his promise on banning birthright citizenship. Or is it going to go down like his failed Muslim ban and no arrest of President Hillary. Also, my 401Ks are crashing under Trump (never happened under Obama). Obama is a better president because I made more money under him.

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On the upside this includes most of his children

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Serrano: I can guarantee you that if two Americans have a baby born in Japan, that child is not granted Japanese citizenship. 

Jeeze, next you'll be telling us that Japan has socialized healthcare and strict gun restrictions and you'll say that's why America should, too.

Black:. Elections have consequences. They allowed the appointment of judges and justices who support your views. Now they allow the appointment of those who support mine.

Elections don't always have consequences. Obama won the election so the Republicans refused his Supreme Court pick. Then they waited until the next election and let their guy pick. That's changing the rules because you lost an election.

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Elections don't always have consequences. Obama won the election so the Republicans refused his Supreme Court pick.

Rightfully so

Then they waited until the next election and let their guy pick.

Yes, a strong conservative.

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This proposal has nothing to do with it being one week before an election, and the previous week was dominated by hate and domestic terrorism. Nothing at all...

Don't fall for it. Just talking about it means were talking about immigration..

And not domestic terrorism, health care or any other issue that will help throw the Republican bums out.

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If you're born in the US to temporarily resident foreign Parents is this American Citizenship optional or are you given it by default and then have to relinquish it at a later date if you so choose to do so ? How does it currently work ?

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Bass:. Rightfully so.

Just like letting on illegals to vote.

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@UlsterBoy

It isn't automatic. International law no longer allows people to be naturalised against their will. You have to take some positive steps to be recognised as a citizen. Practically speaking, the 14th amendment is just a method of naturalisation which waves all requirements other than being born in the US and subject to its jurisdiction, at least up until a certain age.

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Interesting - that must have changed at some point, because there are some 'Americans' who didn't even know they were American, who have had America come after them for taxes overseas. My step-father had this happen, and it cost him thousands of dollars to redact the citizenship he never knew he had, nor ever wanted.

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Let me be profoundly clear for the record, I hate and never hated the constitution. I just agree with the President and other Republicans and including Democrats Reid that have commented this is wrong and it should be changed

But when Democrats talk about changing the 2nd amendment, you go on about how they hate America and the constitution.

And hear you are, talking about changing the constitution. So while you try to say you don't hate America and the constitution, you have in fact already pointed out yourself that you hate America and the constitution, by defining hatred of America and the constitution as wanting to change the constitution. I'm not the one saying you hate America and the constitution, I'm just pointing out how you have self-defined as hating America and the constitution.

It must be extremely difficult trying to navigate within the hypocritical, hyper-partisan extremist statements you have made in the past. Although, since you hate America and the constitution (again by your definition, not mine), it probably doesn't matter to you.

And before claim that you don't hate America and the constitution, remember, you are the one who created that definition.

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Just another mindless statement made by Narcissus J. Trumpnochio ... he’s administration’s moniker of “And we’ll see what happens” should be replaced by “A little knowledge is a dangerous thing”.

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@Strangerland

Interesting - that must have changed at some point, because there are some 'Americans' who didn't even know they were American, who have had America come after them for taxes overseas. My step-father had this happen, and it cost him thousands of dollars to redact the citizenship he never knew he had, nor ever wanted.

I have no doubt that this still happens to many people in countries with birthright citizenship despite intl law, and I also have no doubt that the 14th amendment intended it to be automatic (contrary to modern intl law). It's interesting to consider whether the 14th amendment should at least be amended to conform with intl rules even if not fully repealed.

The specific situation that intl law is trying to avoid is what Hitler did when he unilaterally granted citizenship to all ethnic Germans in Eastern Europe and then proceeded to conscript them into the army (which was the obligation of military aged citizens). German courts have actually struggled for decades with whether it is fair to deny these people citizenship on the basis that the violation of intl law made it null and void.

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some more on the hill I thinking about changing the 14th amendment and are now drafting up the legislation for that in with the new supreme court that we have now that my go in our favor.

first you'll need 2/3 majority in both the House and Senate then ratification by three-quarters of the states, and even if that was done its setting a precedent for the next liberal POTUS to say well 14th been changed maybe time for the 2nd to follow suit. of the 12000 amendments proposals only 27 have made it into the constitution

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Anyone born in the US is automatically granted citizenship, except the children of diplomats. If you want to renounce the citizenship, you have to be proactive.

Children must be named before they are released from the hospital so a social security number can be issued, and the issuance is how the birth is "registers" with the federal government.

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Does he not realize this would affect his own children? Ivana wasn't an American citizen before they were born.

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"The shrinking caravan of refugees isn't a threat to the country or the constitutional order. A president who tries to end birthright citizenship by executive order is."

Trump doesn’t really care about either. It’s just red meat to galvanize the mindless MAGA. And it works.

Real conservatives (Trump isn’t one, btw) would have a fit at the idea.

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