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Merkel hangs on to power but loses support to surging far right

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Lol 4th term huh? Gotta love 'democracy'

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This could be interesting. Depending on the outcome of their negotiations she may have to retrench on some positions to accomodate such diverse partners? Of course they could do the unthinkable for a European Elite and actually listen to the concerns of the electorate? Nah, that will never happen!

She is going to be distracted by internal politicking for a while so will be a less dominant force in EU affairs than of yore. Will this be an opportunity for the Eastern Europeans or Macron?

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Lol 4th term huh? Gotta love 'democracy'

Yep, gotta love that people can vote for the party they want. That's democracy.

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I feel sorry for the German people. Growing up there for over 20 years, the last thing they need is more complications. Well, good luck to them.

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In Russia, the president is constitutionally limited to 2 consecutive terms, and Putin has abided by that law.

4 consecutive terms is outrageous, she's embedded in power and nobody can challenge her

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People who keep pushing for more refugees shouldn't be surprised when a party based somewhat on keeping them out springs up.

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A terrible day for democracy. The AfD win over 13% of the vote, and yet, due to the other parties' refusal to enter into a coalition with them (cry-babies) , they will not be part of Germany's government. All the thousands of sensible voters who elected AfD politicians will be left without a voice. One of the reasons the AfD polled so well is that many voters felt neglected and ignored regarding their views on mass-Muslim immigration; the (scandalous) fact that their votes won't count towards a government can only mean that future support for the AfD will grow even more. I hope the AfD gets even more support in the future.

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The AdD; far right racist, anti-semitic, homophobic - a cancer on German society.

Well done, Chancellor.

Those wishing for a fourth reich have still some way to go, yet. There will be resistance from ordinary, decent folk.

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Yep, gotta love that people can vote for the party they want. That's democracy

Sure let's keep voting for the SAME individual for 16??? years!!! When Putin keeps showing up over the years, it's corruption. When merkel does it, it's democracy? Seriously??

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Of course, because of the legacy of Hitler and the Nazis, a perfectly decent, ordinary German citizen can't even raise the idea of any right-wing policies without being accused of being a Nazi themselves by the lefties. This stifling and ignoring of a large part of the population will lead to even more resentment on the part of such people. In today's world, there is one opinion only, that of the lefties, and anyone who is counter to this is ridiculed or ignored. Don't you just love this warped idea of democracy by the left? "You can vote for anyone you like....but not them, and not them".

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a perfectly decent, ordinary German citizen can't even raise the idea of any right-wing policies without being accused of being a Nazi themselves by the lefties

Please elaborate on what's perfectly decent about the far right racist, anti-semitic, homophobic AfD?

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Josef Joffe, publisher-editor of Germany weekly Die Zeit, said the vote marked a "tectonic shift in German politics"

Probably meant a teutonic shift.

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I was just listening to a segment on Japanese tv with a Norwegian campaigner against mass migration and the problems go way beyond building more mosques. His basic problems were with the suffering of young Islamic women/girls into forced marriage, sex segregation or gender discrimination in general, Muslims forcing mainstream society to accommodate their religious dietary restrictions (not wanting to be around anyone eating pork etc. besides the tremendous financial cost of absorbing several thousand immigrants in a relatively small country. Nobody invited these people to settle down in Europe by the millions and nobody holds them back from returning to their country of birth. Entering a country as an immigrant carries with it the duty to respect the laws and the ways of life of your adopted country and to integrate properly into society. If your religious convictions do not allow that to happen, you should not have come in the first place.

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I have spoken to my German friend and he reports that even though the far right has gained seats, it will still be largely ineffective and very marginalized. In other words, it is still a minority with very little real influence and the gain was more like a protest vote by voters than any real power shift.

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Why does being anti unchecked immigration and anti EU automatically give rise to a "far right" tag?  Or even worse "neo" or some other form of "Nazi".

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I have spoken to my German friend and he reports that even though the far right has gained seats, it will still be largely ineffective and very marginalized. In other words, it is still a minority with very little real influence and the gain was more like a protest vote by voters than any real power shift.

People said that about the DUP in the UK, but looked what happened when May's party did not gain the majority in the last election.

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Less than 1/3 of Germans voted for her, over 2/3 voted for someone else.

Is that really a mandate to rule the country?

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4 consecutive terms is outrageous, she's embedded in power and nobody can challenge her yes they can all people have to do is vote for her opponent, its their choice. she did get more votes than her opponents so she gets to be the leader again, thats how modern democracies work unlike another so called democracy where you can still be the leader even when your opponent has higher popular support of the people.

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Less than 1/3 of Germans voted for her, over 2/3 voted for someone else. Is that really a mandate to rule the country? only 26% of eligible voters, voted for Trump, 73% didnt. His opponent had higher percentage of popular support!. Is that really a mandate to rule a country. Some people do have selective amnesia, LOL

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Why does being anti unchecked immigration and anti EU automatically give rise to a "far right" tag? Or even worse "neo" or some other form of "Nazi".

Only in the minds of paranoid rightists and the ultra-PC crowd. Not very rational people.

I think a rational look at the AfD should tell us what kind of people they are. As someone who is in favour of stricter immigration, it's a pity that many of the parties advocating this across the EU are basically trash. In my home country of the UK, polls show the majority of the public, including many immigrants, are in favour of stricter controls but when faced with anti-immigration parties which are unpleasant, decent people will recoil.

A decent, pragmatic voter who also thinks about issues other than immigration can't vote for crap like the AfD.

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Congratulations to the AfD on 13% of the vote. You can't ignore such a high percentage of the vote and just demonstrates that not everyone is a brainwashed PC liberal yet the opposing parties have banded together against their hateful/intolerant polices so their political power counts for very little, seems the rest of the world is still predominantly anti right

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only 26% of eligible voters, voted for Trump, 73% didnt. His opponent had higher percentage of popular support!. Is that really a mandate to rule a country.  I love being down voted when stating FACTS, and without any creditable reply , the truth can be a biatch! LOL

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4 consecutive terms is outrageous

Why? If the leader is doing a good job, and the people keep voting them in, then there is no reason they shouldn't have as many consecutive terms as the people want.

Unless you are anti-democracy I guess.

Sure let's keep voting for the SAME individual for 16??? years!!!

Yeah. If the person is doing a good job, then there is no reason why they shouldn't be re-elected for 16 years. If the people weren't happy, they wouldn't be voting the party into power.

When Putin keeps showing up over the years, it's corruption.

Not at all. Putin is corrupt, and the leader of a corrupt government. That's why its corruption. Not because of some arbitrarily set amount of time. You're conflating two unrelated issues and trying to equate them.

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Hey, what happened to that rightist wave sweeping the world predicted by the right?

13% of the vote? Just about cleaned the soles of the shoes.

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only 26% of eligible voters, voted for Trump, 73% didn't

False analogy because you're comparing people who voted against eligible voters.

This would be a correct comparison (Let's round for the sake of brevity).

50% of Americans who voted, chose Trump

32% of Germans who voted, chose Merkel

Trump has a much larger and more legitimate mandate than Merkel does.

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This would be a correct comparison (Let's round for the sake of brevity).

50% of Americans who voted, chose Trump

No, let's not round for the sake for brevity. Under 50% of eligible voters voted Trump, his opponent got more votes. This is not a minor detail.

Given your principles on democracy spelled out here, you must be dead against the system which brought Trump to power.

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Heh, Merkel wins the election, and the righties are trying to claim that the people feel differently than they just voted.

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I have spoken to my German friend and he reports that even though the far right has gained seats, it will still be largely ineffective and very marginalized. In other words, it is still a minority with very little real influence and the gain was more like a protest vote by voters than any real power shift.

Hope you're right mate but I read elsewhere that the AFD could get as many as 90-100 seats (/630 or something) thanks to the proportional representation system in place. That's a 'proper' group if you ask me. 

Imo it sure is a wake up call for Merkel & co similar to what Germany's neighbours experienced in the last 25-30 years when the far right was on the rise. Controlled immigration a la Oz, Canada and a few others (including on humanitarian grounds) would reassure German voters.

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The AfD is good for German democracy, they have a voice that needs to be heard, and argued against, rather than through its continued suppression creating more support for it.

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Congratulations to Merkel

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Why does being anti unchecked immigration and anti EU automatically give rise to a "far right" tag? Or even worse "neo" or some other form of "Nazi".

Could be that the AfD are, er, far right and anti-semitic and all the other deplorable traits previously listed.

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The AfD is good for German democracy, they have a voice that needs to be heard, and argued against, rather than through its continued suppression creating more support for it.

Okay. In a democracy, people have the right to express opinions. I fully agree.

Who is suppressing AfD's right to express opinions and run in elections?

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You only got to look around at all the comments here, that are highly critical of anyone holding positive thoughts towards their own country and who wish to focus upon immigration and particularly if they identify the Muslim community as a potential threat to their Culture. Anyone who dares says such a thing, is instantly crowed a Nazi, Racist, etc. That in itself, is enough for some to stifle free thought, or even association with a Political body that may have be seen as "far right", you may as well be calling them a pedophile and putting such a person upon a register for life.

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50% of Americans who voted, chose Trump.

Wrong again 42% of actual voters voted Trump、which is neither a majority of the population or eligable voters or people who voted. Clinton has a larger mandate and more legitamate than Trump yet she isnt POTUS. Now you have the gall to suggest Merkyl isnt legitamate LOL love how the Trumpsterss alternate facts actually leave out the most important facts

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You only got to look around at all the comments here, that are highly critical of anyone holding positive thoughts towards their own country and who wish to focus upon immigration and particularly if they identify the Muslim community as a potential threat to their Culture. Anyone who dares says such a thing, is instantly crowed a Nazi, Racist, etc.

I've pointed out that the AfD is a far right group, it is racist, anti-semitic and homophobic.

Nobody who is cheering them on will acknowledge this and instead go off on tangents about Mosques and other such stuff.

Do you ever read some of the posts on any topic to do with immigration and/or Muslims that end up being deleted?

Do you honestly think these posts are rational and should go unchallenged? I'm not going to repeat the deletes, as this post will end up suffering a similar fate.

There's a difference between postive thoughts about one's "own" country and downright hostility towards those perceived as others.

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Yeah. If the person is doing a good job, then there is no reason why they shouldn't be re-elected for 16 years. If the people weren't happy, they wouldn't be voting the party into power.

(Sigh)

There are no saints in politics. No one is above corruption. And surely, absolute power, corrupts absolutely.

The dangers of holding onto power as if a party has NO other individual to take up the mantel are strewn all over the historical landscape. So there's no point kidding yourself into thinking 16 years of one individual is in any way ok. Otherwise Obama should have gotten a third, fourth, fifth...

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Would I have voted for the AfD, that's a good question. I guess you can draw parallels to the Brexit vote - if you lived in London, you'd probably have voted to stay, but if you lived in a place more impacted by the influx of Eastern Europeans who were being seen as a cheap replacement Labour-force, then you may have voted for the Leave campaign. The UKIP were also associated with the Far right, and shared some similarities with the AfD:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/09/10/who-are-the-afd-the-far-right-party-hoping-to-end-merkels-reign/

https://www.forbes.com/sites/timworstall/2016/09/04/be-careful-calling-afd-anti-immigration-nationalists-its-more-complicated-than-that/#734b863b47c4

Every Political Party globally, appears to have fringes which the main core of that party may distance themselves from, within those fringes may be some who hold views that are labelled as Racist, anti-Semitic, or homo-phobic, yet the whole party is labelled as such.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Far-right_politics_in_the_United_Kingdom

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So there's no point kidding yourself into thinking 16 years of one individual is in any way ok.

Its perfectly fine if the government has low corruption. Australia had Howard 12yrs. 18yrs Menzies. Both were eventually kicked out by the voters or party. Now if your refer to a country like Russia then you can have problems

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@mmwkdw

Right. So would you have voted AfD?

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The AfD is good for German democracy, they have a voice that needs to be heard, and argued against, rather than through its continued suppression creating more support for it.

Agree with that and your other posts mmwdk, This is why I think proportional representation systems are the best.

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Perhaps we're seeing a hint of dissent within the core of Europe and an indication of things to come ?

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Every Political Party globally, appears to have fringes which the main core of that party may distance themselves from, within those fringes may be some who hold views that are labelled as Racist, anti-Semitic, or homo-phobic, yet the whole party is labelled as such.

The BNP?

Pegida?

Britain First?

Can you rationalise the appeal of these parties? What label would you apply to them?

Would you be happy for similar parties to rise in Japan & what would such a rise mean for gaijin here, do you think?

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Yeah. If the person is doing a good job, then there is no reason why they shouldn't be re-elected for 16 years. If the people weren't happy, they wouldn't be voting the party into power.

Then why not just have a theocracy? Forget elections overall. I weep for Germany. Country is not what it used to be and going down faster than a roller coaster.

I was just listening to a segment on Japanese tv with a Norwegian campaigner against mass migration and the problems go way beyond building more mosques. His basic problems were with the suffering of young Islamic women/girls into forced marriage, sex segregation or gender discrimination in general, Muslims forcing mainstream society to accommodate their religious dietary restrictions (not wanting to be around anyone eating pork etc. besides the tremendous financial cost of absorbing several thousand immigrants in a relatively small country. Nobody invited these people to settle down in Europe by the millions and nobody holds them back from returning to their country of birth. Entering a country as an immigrant carries with it the duty to respect the laws and the ways of life of your adopted country and to integrate properly into society. If your religious convictions do not allow that to happen, you should not have come in the first place.

Bingo! At least someone gets it.

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If the person is doing a good job, then there is no reason why they shouldn't be re-elected for 16 years. If the people weren't happy, they wouldn't be voting the party into power.

To which someone replied:

Then why not just have a theocracy?

Because then people wouldn't be able to choose a better candidate if one emerged. You know, the whole fundamental idea of a democracy.

I thought you Americans thought democracy was the best form of government. You've proven me wrong.

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I weep for Germany. Country is not what it used to be and going down faster than a roller coaster.

It survived the previous bunch of nazis and the allied slaughter of Dresden and other cities, pretty sure it will survive an election result that you don't approve of.

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It survived the previous bunch of nazis and the allied slaughter of Dresden and other cities, pretty sure it will survive an election result that you don't approve of.

This time around, I don’t think so. Different time and totally different circumstances.

Because then people wouldn't be able to choose a better candidate if one emerged. You know, the whole fundamental idea of a democracy.

Seems like a fleeing memory that Germany once had. Now they have these Dynasty rulers.

I thought you Americans thought democracy was the best form of government. You've proven me wrong.

I believe in our electoral college. Again, I weep for Germany, it was once a very beautiful country and safe country.

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@Toasted Heretic, we were talking about the AfD in Germany.

You can list off other extremist parties, and even include ISIS as there are clearly supporters of that.

http://www.express.co.uk/news/politics/813329/Jeremy-Corbyn-ISIS-backers-NOT-prosecuted-political-views

Even within the LDP, there are far-right views held, a good example recently was with Abe's support for such a group:

https://www.japantimes.co.jp/news/2017/03/18/national/moritomo-scandal-delivers-education-japanese-politics/#.WcjeIcgjE-U

You may wish to read/watch this:

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-37274201

particularly the question over whether the AfD is Racist...

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No one is above corruption. And surely, absolute power, corrupts absolutely.

Just as well that the democratic voting process means that no political leader ever gets 'absolute power' - the voters can get rid of him/her at the next election.

Obama should have gotten a third, fourth, fifth...

If it's what the people wanted, it would be way better than what they (and the rest of us) got....

Then why not just have a theocracy? Forget elections overall.

What a total non-sequitur.

If you don't get the result you want, better to just abandon the whole political process?

I believe in our electoral college.

OK, so, not democracy as the rest of the world understands it. You remind me of the doting mother at the kindergarten concert; Oh look, everyone's out of step except our Johnny!

Germany neither needs nor wants an electoral college, or the fanatical, highest-bidder-wins goings-on we see in the US every four years, nor the disastrous results that brings all too often. Please go and put your own house in order before you start running your finger through the dust of stability in other folks' countries and tut-tutting about it.

*it was once a very beautiful country and safe country.*

This from a citizen of a country with a murder rate nearly 6 times higher than Germany, and a GTI rate over half a point higher. You should give up your journalisting job and work as a comedy writer, you're a natural.

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I believe in our electoral college. lol so you believe in a system which gives people of a certain demography larger political power than those in another, a system that many democratic countries including Japan view us unconstitutional/undemocratic, one person =one vote.

what next youll be giving privileges/advantages to a certain group because the color of their skin....oops

Again, I weep for Germany, they dont need your sympathy they have a robust economy , lower suicide rate, lower crime rate, lower homicide rate, standard of living one of the highest in the world and a higher life expectancy than US citizens. And all off the back of a world war that almost annihilated their country.

They certainly are a resilient nation. Maybe its the Germans that should be weeping for the US

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Merkel wins the election, and the righties are trying to claim that the people feel differently than they just voted. thats the beauty of an "electoral college" you can claim victory by interpreting the results differently even if you dont win the popular vote. Fortunately for Germany and others they dont use a system tat penalizes one group and rewards another pending on their location

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I'm not saying immigration isn't a huge issue in Germany, but maybe, just maybe, German voters were thinking about other issues too.

I know Theresa May made the mistake of hitting the strong and steady line to Brexit too hard while not addressing other key issues. She lost her majority.

Just saying.

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If it's what the people wanted, it would be way better than what they (and the rest of us) got

Many of us in the US are happy with what we got, many of us weren’t happy with what we had for the last 8 years.

OK, so, not democracy as the rest of the world understands it.

I could care less what others think outside the US. I care what our founding fathers wanted and care about how our system works for us. If you want to call it something other than democracy or euphemism which appeases you, please do so.

You remind me of the doting mother at the kindergarten concert; Oh look, everyone's out of step except our Johnny!

Me?? ROFL

Germany neither needs nor wants an electoral college, or the fanatical, highest-bidder-wins goings-on we see in the US every four years,

I never said such a thing, I just said, they are going down the tubes, literally.

Please go and put your own house in order before you start running your finger through the dust of stability in other folks' countries and tut-tutting about it.*

I want to say the same to everyone that just loves to criticize our country. Now you get it.

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so you believe in a system which gives people of a certain demography larger political power than those in another, a system that many democratic countries including Japan view us unconstitutional/undemocratic, one person =one vote.

Yes, that’s our system. Yes and until this election, the Democrats never complained and had they won, they would have been mute about it as well.

what next youll be giving privileges/advantages to a certain group because the color of their skin....oops.

I was actually waiting for you to throw in the race card.

they dont need your sympathy

They also don’t need your praise.

they have a robust economy , lower suicide rate, lower crime rate, lower homicide rate, standard of living one of the highest in the world and a higher life expectancy than US citizens.

I know everything about Germany. They have a very high assault rate an overwhelming problem with refugees. A serious problem with radical Islam, not to mention the growing anger of the current administration. Again, I said growing.

And all off the back of a world war that almost annihilated their country.

And why was that?

They certainly are a resilient nation. Maybe its the Germans that should be weeping for the US

Naw, most Germans I know and I know quite a few say something totally different.

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I know everything about Germany

Are you channeling Trump?

I lived all of my life in the UK until age 24 and wouldn't dream of making that claim.

What does the "growing anger of the current administration mean"? Is Merkel furious about something?

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I know everything about Germany.

Any evidence to back that up?

Naw, most Germans I know and I know quite a few say something totally different.

Ummm. Anecdotage? I could do exactly the same, you know. But it's meaningless, it's not evidence. It's like saying "everyone agrees with me, you know" when maybe one or two people do.

The one thing Merkel has that Trump doesn't is global respect. And that's important. 4 terms.

Trump won't even get a second.

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Any evidence to back that up?

Any evidence I don’t?

Ummm. Anecdotage? I could do exactly the same, you know. But it's meaningless, it's not evidence. It's like saying "everyone agrees with me, you know" when maybe one or two people do.

Then think that if you so choose to.

The one thing Merkel has that Trump doesn't is global respect. And that's important. 4 terms. 

I don’t think Trump cares and thank God he doesn’t. We already had a rock star community organizer and I wanted someone that hits hard and is not PC or cute and cuddly or wants to be liked or be popular.

Trump won't even get a second.

Stock market is looking reeeeeal good these days and if that keeps up and unemployment continues to drop and the private sector is on the comeback, oh, very easily.

What does the "growing anger of the current administration mean"? Is Merkel furious about something?

it means exactly as how I implied, there is a lot of anger and discontent with the government as well as the refugee crisis as well as the problems with radical Islam.

I lived all of my life in the UK until age 24 and wouldn't dream of making that claim.

I see.

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Bass: I could care less what others think outside of the US

...but let me share my views about other countries...

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I don’t think Trump cares and thank God he doesn’t

I dont think the EU cares either, their rejection of the right is proof of that

Any evidence I dont

Yes id like to hear all this evidence also, answering a question with a question isnt an answer, we dont claim to read your mind so cant show evidence of your vast understanding of German society.

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Are you channeling Trump?

Thats one thing ill give Trump he certainly knows how to channel his supporters. Its like some form of telepathic hive mentality.

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Sooner or later the backlash will start with a right wing takeover

Not likely. You extremists, and that's both left and right, don't realize that extremist stances are unappealing to the majority of people on both sides.

It's not like these people are suddenly going to become extremists as well.

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I dont think the EU cares either, their rejection of the right is proof of that.

Great, If these countries want to embrace radical Islam, that's their choice.

Yes id like to hear all this evidence also, answering a question with a question isnt an answer, we dont claim to read your mind so cant show evidence of your vast understanding of German society.

Ok, so you don't.

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Let's face it - If you are on the right and the left wins you get butthurt.

If you are on the left and the right wins...you get butthurt.

Especially in the comment section of every news website.

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It's good Merkel won. The USA, UK, France and many other allies have created the need for refugees with their endless wars and meddling in the affairs of S Asian & ME nations. If the Vietnam War were still going on, there would be a greater need for SE Asian refugees than there was when the war was going on. Merkel did the right thing by staying out of Libya. Obama was acting like Bush although he was elected to be different from him. Merkel is also good about saying no war against Iran should ever be started. The only areas where I disagree with her are giving aid to Saudi Arabia and Israel.

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Ok, so you don't. yes we do.

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yes we do.

No, you guys really don't.

You're not going to win, you know.

Not me, the German people, the culture and society is not going to win. Sad, very sad.

You can demonise Muslims and shout white supremacisms all you like but fascism has a habit of being stopped in its tracks.

I don't and never have demonized Muslims, don't go there. I was specifically talking about Jihadists that hide among the refugees and radical Islamists that converted, some born in Germany, some immigrants that refuse to adhere or conform to German rules, cultures and laws. That's not racist, that's common sense when you live in another country and if you don't like it, leave.

The German people voted for Merkel. 

Most liberal Germans did, but you have more that are not happy with the outcome.

The AfD are a blip and eventually will be consigned to history,

AfD is not a blip, they gained 13 seats, that's significant as well as scary and it seems that number will eventually grow if things continue on that trajectory.

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I was specifically talking about Jihadists that hide among the refugees and radical Islamists that converted, some born in Germany, some immigrants that refuse to adhere or conform to German rules, cultures and laws. That's not racist, that's common sense when you live in another country and if you don't like it, leave.

Agree to a point; yes there are always going to be extremists who advocate violence. Be they jihadist or nazi.

They need to be monitored. Just like the IRA dissidents and various loyalist paramilitaties in NI/6 counties. Or countless other terrorists in other countries.

But if you don't follow to the letter a country's every pronouncement or ideal, should you leave?

Should nazis leave the US?

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Agree to a point; yes there are always going to be extremists who advocate violence. Be they jihadist or nazi.

They need to be monitored. Just like the IRA dissidents and various loyalist paramilitaties in NI/6 counties. Or countless other terrorists in other countries.

But if you don't follow to the letter a country's every pronouncement or ideal, should you leave?

Should nazis leave the US?

Not just the Nazis, but ANTIFA, BLM and Crips, Bloods, MS-13 and 18th st. all of them should be kicked out.

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Right wingers create more violence than left wingers. Yet somehow they escaped your list. Nice people, I suppose,

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Right wingers create more violence than left wingers.

Really? Not even remotely close. However, give me some examples and I will double that list from what the left has.

Yet somehow they escaped your list. Nice people, I suppose,

No, I never said there aren’t right wing loons, but compared to the left, they are in a totally different stratosphere when it comes to committing violence.

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It's the exact opposite of what you're saying. And you won't have any supporting evidence.

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