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Trump-backed candidates struggle in Ohio, Kansas elections

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Good, with any luck both the house and senate will change over to Democratic control and something will get done about the guy sitting in the White House!

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Kobach is a complete and utter loser.

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Yeah they “struggled” so bad that they both won. Forgot to mention the others who were expected to lose until Trump endorsed them too.

strange the media felt to right this article and not the one about how all the Berie and media darling Cortez candidates went down in flames.

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strange the media felt to right this article and not the one about how all the Berie and media darling Cortez candidates went down in flames.

Yes, the mainstream media is still in denial mode over Trumps hard fought victory.

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How about we just get rid of parties? It works in Nebraska. The presidential system is not made for parties. That's part of the problem. Either keep parties and switch to parliamentary, or get rid of them and keep the presidential.

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I’m still amazed at how much money are pumped into elections.

There should be a cap for all parties, equal time for all candidates on air/etc. Nothing more.

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This is why we cannot sit back and expect a "blue wave." 

I hope the Ds and I's Independents take two lessons from this race:

1) Go on the attack. Mr. O'Connor had positive (no attacks) campaign ads. Mr. Balderson used attack ads. I wanted to believe that positive ads would win. Close, but no cigar, yet. I think Ds should stop playing nice, and point out that "Lost your job? Thank a tariff." and "Higher state taxes? Thank a Republican for their millionaire's tax plan." 

2) Vote straight D (I can't believe I'm saying this). The difference between Ohio's 12th district candidates is less than 2,000 votes. Not all votes are in, and there will be a recount. HOWEVER, more than 1,000 votes were squandered on a third candidate that could NEVER have won. 

We must VOTE, and encourage others to vote FOR Ds with PROBABLE CHANCES OF WINNING. If we split our votes among boutique candidates, the Rs will keep both houses, and there will be no check on the corruption.

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strange the media felt to right this article and not the one about how all the Berie and media darling Cortez candidates went down in flames.

You will probably not get it, but Trump counts on people like you to support him.

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Struggle? Is that what the left is saying now? Granted, the Democrats should be miles ahead and this should be a breeze and yet, the polls are so close, not a good thing for a midterm for the left.

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Balderson being a coward:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mhi2l5xFbis

bass4funk:

the polls are so close

If it's a republican 'stronghold', and a LOT of money was pumped into this, then yes, you'd better be worried the polls were so close. These won't be the only elections this year.

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Whatever the results, there's still plenty of time between now and the midterms to flush the fake POTUS and his benighted myrmidons down the toilet.

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...as soon as Robert Mueller pulls the chain!

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What's amazing is not so much the tightness of these races where Trump used to be a shoe-in but the rubes who still vote Repub. There remain a few months for these people to come to their senses.

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The only reason the race in Ohio is at all close is because the Republican controlled state government was allowed by the Republican controlled courts to engage in extreme gerrymandering of the state election districts. In a fair election, Democrats would have easily regained control of this district. Likewise, in a fair, democratic election, Democrats would sweep into control of the House of Representatives in the fall election.

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First the trembling, now the struggle comes in...

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@blacklab strange the media felt to

'Media' is a plural word. But then partisan extremists can only see the world in terms of opposing poles.

That's why they can only appeal to fellow partisan extremists.

Out of curiosity, why is a free, for-profit press so frightening to partisan extremists?

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Dems should demand an immediate recount. See Greg Palast's account of how the 2016 vote in Ohio was rigged by the GOP's purging voter rolls of minority voters. Kobach was the head of the multi-million dollar vanity project that investigated of the "3 million illegal voters" who cost Drumpf the popular vote - the one which found no evidence of voter fraud, but nonetheless spent more than a dollar for each case of fraud it failed to document. Recount.

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If it's a republican 'stronghold', and a LOT of money was pumped into this, then yes, you'd better be worried the polls were so close. These won't be the only elections this year.

Actually, the left should be worried, because they should be at least 10-20 points ahead and that didn't happen especially in a year where the left is pretty much energized, oh, my....

What's amazing is not so much the tightness of these races where Trump used to be a shoe-in but the rubes who still vote Repub.

With his numbers rising among the GOP of course or should we be endorsing.....Bernie? LOL

There remain a few months for these people to come to their senses.

I agree, especially if it turns out to be like Ohio

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Dems should demand an immediate recount. 

Every single time, we have seen this so many times, but if it's reversed, the Dems won't budge. The Dems want a recount because they can't believe that millions don't believe in their socialist policies and that a Republican could ever win.

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Ohio was rigged by the GOP's purging voter rolls of minority voters

If memory serves, that was Florida, wasn't it? Maybe both.

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Florida was given to Bush 43 when Sandra Day O'Connor and the Supremes aborted a recount of paper ballots that would have given the state to Al Gore. Jeb Bush, 43's brother, was governor of Florida at the time, and the fix was firmly in at the Florida Election Commission. Imagine how much better a world we sould now be living in had Gore won the election - the outcome of the 2000 election was one of the worst events in US history until 2016.

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Strange that there was no such thing as election fraud and it was impossible to “rig” elections. Well until Dems started losing them all. Now it’s not only possible, it’s happebing and “the Russians” are doing it!

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Repubs only turned out at 40% level of the 2016 election while Dems were 87%. Repubs still won and will have better turnout for a midterm election than a special election.

this doesn’t tell me Republicans are in trouble. Dems only have 13% left (unless some more people die or illegals vote). just confirms Dems really, really hate Trump and that Repubs need 60% turn out next time

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Republican Troy Balderson appeared poised to eke out a victory in a special election for a U.S. House of Representatives seat in a reliably conservative district in Ohio...

I wonder what would have been reported if his opponent had won. “Blue Wave Drowns Republican”?

It’s still a few months before the mid-term election so the “Blue Wave” may rise, but so far it’s as large as the wave I make standing before a toilet bowl. (I confess this is not true. I sit.)

What are the Democrats consistently doing wrong?

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Black, you seriously don't believe that, do you? (It would disappoint me - it's one thing to be a partisan; another to be a fool.) Not to mention the built-in advantage Republicans have in the Senate, the party also controls a majority of Statehouses. Most statiticians figure a the result is a +6 in Dem voting is required just to level the field.

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Yes I do believe it. Ohio has many many more Repubs than Dems registered. There is no D+6 there.

Weekly Voter Statistics For Ohio - August 4, 2018  

Total Registered 7,975,200 (Down 3,147 From Previous Week)

Democrats - 1, 376, 005 

Republicans - 1, 978, 338 

Non-Affiliated - 4, 620, 857

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Election fraud in the USA does not exist unless the MSM sez so. The latter fake news purveyors have a miserable record of investigating gerrymandering and voter suppression in all its myriad guises, which is why POS Kobach, the evil genius of "fixin'" and riggin' electoral rolls, has been able to survive amid the silence of the MSM lambs to wreak further damage on America's democracy.

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I continue to be amazed how my fellow Americans can support and vote for a party led by an admitted pervert, habitual liar, and grifting con-man. Drain the swamp? He’s turned it into a cesspool;

 - Today we see Republican NY Congressman Chris Collins, a vocal Trump supporter, arrested for insider trading

 - Campaign Chairman Paul Manafort’s trial this week has shown was a disgusting swamp creature he is; $500K yachts, 45K dental work, $5K alligator jackets – all paid by Ukrainians aligned with Putin or Russian oligarch loans – none of it reported on his taxes

 - EPA Secretary Scott Pruitt - $100K in taxpayer money for private planes and first class trips, accepting apartments for $50 a night from lobbyists, ordering his staff to use sirens so he can get to a restaurant…

  - HHS Secretary Tom Price – over $1 million in taxpayer money used on chartered private planes

And who knows what kind of skullduggery Don Jr, Eric, Ivanka and Jerrod have been up to.

The rich guys get richer by cheating the poor folks – and the poor folks keep cheering them on – its madness…

The only explanation I have is that part of them have been manipulated by Russian influence operations, part buy into Trump’s coded racist language, and others just want to be entertained (by his lounge act); and could care less about the consequences it has on our nation or throughout the world.

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Black, I'm afraid you misconstrued my statement. Let me rephrase: Due to gerrymandering, on a national averaged basis, Democrats would have to exceed Republicans by 6% just to achieve parity in the House. This is a well-documented statistic and hints at how undemocratic American society is.

And the fact that the GOP candidate appears to be simply squeezing by (we'll see the recount results) in a red state does not portend well for the GOP.

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I continue to be amazed how my fellow Americans can support and vote for a party led by an admitted pervert, habitual liar, and grifting con-man.

I deeply resent your language when describing a POTUS. Bill Clinton actually did a lot during his presidency.

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Florida was given to Bush 43 when Sandra Day O'Connor and the Supremes aborted a recount of paper ballots

It was in Plasts book. Florida was using the social security numbers of felons to purge them from voting. Lots of mistakes and poorer people wouldn't bother to challenge. It was definitely a crime.

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Repubs still won

With less votes even! Lucky the Republicans have gerrymandered, took the Electoral college, and had Big Daddy Putin's help!

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And the fact that the GOP candidate appears to be simply squeezing by (we'll see the recount results) in a red state does not portend well for the GOP.

Besides wanting to impeach Trump, what do the Dems have to offer, so far, they didn't say anything. Well....they say a lot....a lot....

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What the story fails to report is given the voting stats in Ohio, it clearly indicates that -- like in 2016 -- democrats crossed over and voted republican.

In the Ohio 12 matchup, 87% of registered democrats there voted compared to 40% of republicans; and yet, the republican candidate won. Look for the liberals' much anticipated November "Blue Wave" to turn into a Tidy Bowl swirl.

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Besides wanting to impeach Trump, what do the Dems have to offer, so far, they didn't say anything. Well....they say a lot....a lot....

Well, they actually do have a lot, but let’s just start with the “we’re not Trump” plank;

 - We won’t sexually assault members of the opposite sex by grabbing their genitals

 - We won’t lie to your face multiple times each day

 - We won’t use foul language when speaking to 12 year old Boy Scouts

 - We won’t let big companies pollute and stain the environment, while lining our pockets with their money

 - We won’t say about White Supremacists; “some of them are good people”…

 - We won't engage in "dog whistle" name calling of Black and Latino Americans

 - We won’t tear parents away from their children

 - We won’t take poor folks health care away from them

 - We won't ridicule and insult our FBI and Intelligence organizations who are working 24/7 each day protecting our nation

 - We won’t incite a trade war, closing down US businesses and throwing those most vulnerable out of work

 - We won't carouse with porn stars and Playboy Bunnies, and then pay them off (and lie about it) 

 - And lastly, we won't bow, scrape, genuflect, or collude with Vlad the Dictator

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 - And lastly, we won't bow, scrape, genuflect, or collude with Vlad the Dictator

The most amazing accomplishment of MSM brainwashing is turning millions of Russia-loving Democrats into Cold Warriors in under 4 years time.

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@illyas Russia-loving Democrats

You're showing you're not an American saying that. Russia's police state has been out of favor with all but the smallest number of Americans since Stalin's brutality was shown.

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"Trump-backed candidates struggle in Ohio, Kansas elections"

A win is a win. The Democrats are really struggling now.

Democrats Lose Ohio Special Election, Promptly Blame Russia and the Green Party

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-MpomSnCpbs

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The headline is farcical.

And now the dems are blaming the russians again for their failures. Farcical is the word.

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@theFritzX @illyas Is attack Democrats the message Nashi factory workers have been instructed to post?

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 - We won’t sexually assault members of the opposite sex by grabbing their genitals

 - We won’t lie to your face multiple times each day

Did you tell Schneiderman or Franken that? As far as lying, you can keep your doctor, so that’s all over with?

 - We won’t use foul language when speaking to 12 year old Boy Scouts

 - We won’t let big companies pollute and stain the environment, while lining our pockets with their money

So that means, Biden and Perez will get their mouths washed out with soap and you’ll go back to regulation and starve businesses and all the GDP to dwindle back down to 1.8% and allow more entitlements and welfare to grow and expand, good times ahead, eh?

 - We won’t say about White Supremacists; “some of them are good people”…

 - We won't engage in "dog whistle" name calling of Black and Latino Americans

Great! I’m with you, but what about Antifa, most of the masked thugs are good people?

And you are essentially saying, if you are a minority like Sarah Jeong and insult White people to the lowest most vile and racist manner, it’s ok, gotcha!

 - We won’t tear parents away from their children

 - We won’t take poor folks health care away from them

No, of course you won’t tear them away, you guys won’t even close the border, free for all and let everyone come in and if you guys care for poor folks then why implement something they can’t afford, but that’s not important, right, just implement and raise taxes, sounds legit to me.

 - We won't ridicule and insult our FBI and Intelligence organizations who are working 24/7 each day protecting our nation

 - We won’t incite a trade war, closing down US businesses and throwing those most vulnerable out of work

Ok, so you will keep the corruption alive and would hold them responsible as long as they don’t investigate Democrats, then it’s these people are scum like how they did back in 1998. As for a trade war, you guys are content as globalists to appease the world, but forsake our farmers, nice, nice.

 - We won't carouse with porn stars and Playboy Bunnies, and then pay them off (and lie about it) 

 - And lastly, we won't bow, scrape, genuflect, or collude with Vlad the Dictator

I see, so you’re saying the left (lol) are above failed porn stars, but they’re ok with WH interns, gotcha. And you are saying, colluding with Iran or Cuba is ok, but working with Russia and NK is bad? Wow!

Ok, so basically what you are saying is, the Democrats are in big, big trouble, zero ideas and zero policies. Dis fina be a breeze!

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Every republican who Trump endorsed and won got more votes than their Repub or Dem opponent. Electoral college only matters for pres, not house or senate.

You simply can’t prove anything Russia did to affect the actual votes cast at the ballot despite so desperately wanting it to be true. Obama said elections are impossible to rig, and I believe him.

With less votes even! Lucky the Republicans have gerrymandered, took the Electoral college, and had Big Daddy Putin's help!

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Did you tell Schneiderman or Franken that? As far as lying, you can keep your doctor, so that’s all over with?

 Another “what about” (WA) –when you can’t refute the fact, deflect…

 So that means, Biden and Perez will get their mouths washed out with soap

More WA – and Biden and Perez didn’t address the National Council of Boy Scouts in a full fledged four letter rant.  Would you want your 12 year old son to hear that?  Don’t answer that, I think I know the answer…

… and you’ll go back to regulation and starve businesses and all the GDP to dwindle back down to 1.8% and allow more entitlements and welfare to grow and expand, good times ahead, eh?

Very good times for poor and middle class people – health insurance, industrial safety standards, living minimum wage – instead of million dollar tax breaks for the top 1%...

Great! I’m with you, but what about Antifa, most of the masked thugs are good people?

WA – and I’m glad you’re with me, but somehow I doubt it.  Antifa are thugs – but I’d rate them a few rungs above White Supremacists and the KKK.  Antifa lynch anyone lately? 

And you are essentially saying, if you are a minority like Sarah Jeong and insult White people to the lowest most vile and racist manner, it’s ok, gotcha!

I’m not essentially saying anything, what I’m saying is that our President said of White Supremacists “some are good people” – that’s a fact. You either agree with it or you don’t. Which one are you?

No, of course you won’t tear them away, you guys won’t even close the border, free for all and let everyone come in and if you guys care for poor folks then why implement something they can’t afford, but that’s not important, right, just implement and raise taxes, sounds legit to me.

Democrats and Republicans, vice Chump supporters, want strong border protection, but not to the extent that 2 year old children are ripped from their parents and send off to live in cages – and then maybe never reunited with them. Even you Bass can’t excuse that – there are still children the Trump administration has yet to return to their parents - inexcusable. 

 Ok, so you will keep the corruption alive and would hold them responsible as long as they don’t investigate Democrats, then it’s these people are scum like how they did back in 1998.

Next time I see an FBI agent or one of our intelligence analysts working 24/7 to keep us safe from ISIS, the Chinese, and the Russians, I’ll let them know you think they are scum. That you would use that term to describe these heroes tells a whole lot about you and what you think of America – and maybe where you’re sitting while you’re typing... 

As for a trade war, you guys are content as globalists to appease the world, but forsake our farmers, nice, nice.

Farmers – the ones that are losing their livelihoods because of Chump’s inane tariffs – even hard core Republicans think he’s nuts. 

I see, so you’re saying the left (lol) are above failed porn stars, but they’re ok with WH interns, gotcha. And you are saying, colluding with Iran or Cuba is ok, but working with Russia and NK is bad? Wow!

More WA – can’t you at least come up with some other dodge? What I said (written very clearly) was that Chump had affairs with a porn star and a Playboy Bunny – paid them off with hush money, then lied about it.  You either agree with it or not. Which one are you?

Ok, so basically what you are saying is, the Democrats are in big, big trouble, zero ideas and zero policies. Dis fina be a breeze!

That makes absolutely no sense, but then, I don't speak QAnon - maybe you can translate for us.

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The party that controls the White House almost always takes a shellacking in the mid-term elections. Ask Barack, he knows. For whatever reason this is how it always works in American politics. Dems will take the House and Republicans will be lucky to hold onto the Senate despite all the advantages they have with this cycles electoral map.

Trump will be impeached - the Dems are rabid for it. The Senate however will not convict and Trump will serve out his term. If history holds true to form though, the Dems should hope that they do not take the House and impeach him. Doing so gives the President a visible opponent to run against just as Obama had prior to his re-election. If you are a Democrat the 2020 election is very critical to your socialist agenda. If Trump gets 2 or 3 more Supreme Court picks it’s game over for the next 30 to 40 years.

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Dems will take the House and Republicans will be lucky to hold onto the Senate despite all the advantages they have with this cycles electoral map. -- comment

I think you are mis-reading the tea leaves, Wolf. Remember, this week was the last of the special elections before the mid-terms. Hopefully, you are not being suckered into believing the professional pollsters (ya know, the ones who predicted "Hillary in a landslide" right up to Election Day in November 2016) and the NeverTrumper eGOP talking heads popping up on all the fake news channels predicting impending gloom and doom.

IMO, the Trump supporters will be out in force come Nov. 6. Unlike previous mid-terms, they understand what's at stake. Far-left politics have infested the Democratic Party to the point of no return (advocating repealing the tax cut bill, eliminating/prosecuting ICE members, wanting open borders, supporting MS-13 gang members, etc.). Of course, districts on the left coast and the NE corridor will return their politicians to Washington. That's obvious. But the democrats who mainly opposed voting for the Tax Cut Bill -- which is all of them -- representing the flyover states will be feel the wrath of their constituents in about two months time. President Trump has already said he'll be out on the stump for for republican candidates 6-7 days a week in the run up to the mid-terms. Watch for the Blue Wave to turn into a Trump Tsunami.

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Clippety: It might make you feel better about supporting a liar. Truth is, we don't care too much about your feelings. You chose a criminal as your captain, get used to being called out for it.

I did not vote for Trump but he is the president of all Americans until at least January 2021. I do get a kick out of how much he drives the Left out of their minds with rage and insane behavior. It exposes their intolerance and hateful politics. Whoever was elected in 2016 was going to be impeached- that’s just how polarized Americans are at this point in history. Whether you care about others or not is really not at issue anymore- we all know that Americans only care about their own tribe now.

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Texas: Hopefully, you are not being suckered into believing the professional pollsters (ya know, the ones who predicted "Hillary in a landslide" right up to Election Day in November 2016) 

Admittedly I did not think Trump had much chance of beating Hillary. Not after two elections in which Americans voted in an inexperienced Senator who covorted with 1960’s domestic terrorists and attended a racist church for 17 years.

Trump won not only because Hillary was a criminal but also because Obama took his party so far to the racialist identity politics extreme. But if you pull back and look at past cycles it makes more sense how he won in 2016. A backlash to a backlash to the previous backlash. That’s what I am expecting in the Fall. Losing at least one house in Congress is also Trumps best chance of being re-elected.

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 –when you can’t refute the fact, deflect…

More WA – and Biden and Perez didn’t address the National Council of Boy Scouts in a full fledged four letter rant. Would you want your 12 year old son to hear that? Don’t answer that, I think I know the answer…

Not deflect, that's that's the lefts exit strategy and No, I don't want my kids to hear that as much as I don't want my kids to hear Biden or Perez curse as well.

Very good times for poor and middle class people – health insurance, industrial safety standards, living minimum wage – instead of million dollar tax breaks for the top 1%...

WA – and I’m glad you’re with me, but somehow I doubt it. Antifa are thugs – but I’d rate them a few rungs above White Supremacists and the KKK. Antifa lynch anyone lately? 

Funny, if the people thought the times were good, Trump would have never made the Presidency, besides, I like rich people, I have never met a poor person that could give me a job or raise. So Antifa are thugs, but White Nationalists are worse??? Let's see, both are idiots, violent, try to impose a certain way of thinking on the community, selfish, don't care about others, wear masks, love to fight, so really there isn't a difference. Scum is scum and they are both scum, so the left shouldn't give either a pass.

I’m not essentially saying anything, what I’m saying is that our President said of White Supremacists “some are good people” – that’s a fact. You either agree with it or you don’t. Which one are you?

No, I hate both, but I know people that will make excuses for both groups saying that some are good and some are not. Heard it from both sides, think both sides are nutty when they say that and are not dealing with reality.

Democrats and Republicans, vice Chump supporters, want strong border protection, but not to the extent that 2 year old children are ripped from their parents and send off to live in cages – and then maybe never reunited with them. Even you Bass can’t excuse that – there are still children the Trump administration has yet to return to their parents - inexcusable. 

Sorry, borders are there for a reason. I'm from California and Democrats for over 50 years have done nothing. I think the kids were better off in a facility with everything they need including wifi, cellphones access to speak to their families, inconvenient, of course, but the law is the law and better there and safe than trekking through the desert with Coyotes and drug smugglers in the hot sun and violence all around you.

Next time I see an FBI agent or one of our intelligence analysts working 24/7 to keep us safe from ISIS, the Chinese, and the Russians, I’ll let them know you think they are scum. That you would use that term to describe these heroes tells a whole lot about you and what you think of America – and maybe where you’re sitting while you’re typing... 

I do have respect for the rank and file men and women of the FBI, I'm not talking about them, I'm taliking about a few dirty cops at the top echelon of the branch that now are in hot water because of their corruption and thinking that they are above the law, but this goes way back to Hoover so I'm glad that some of these people were fired and removed and more to come to clean out the agency and restore the rule of law and to send a message that these people can't do as they please to oppose anyone they don't like.

even hard core Republicans think he’s nuts. 

Hardcore Republicans can't even get elected these days just like hardcore socialists won't and that is why Trump won.

can’t you at least come up with some other dodge? What I said (written very clearly) was that Chump had affairs with a porn star and a Playboy Bunny – paid them off with hush money, then lied about it. You either agree with it or not. Which one are you?

Ok, but everyone knew Trump has an obsession with women, I knew that for 30 years, the good thing about him is, he never kept it a secret, what he did 12 years ago is irrelevant as a private citizen, now if he did all of this during his presidency, I would be denouncing those actions in the most demonstrable way.

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WolfpackToday 06:25 am JST

I do get a kick out of how much he drives the Left out of their minds with rage and insane behavior.

Looks more like bemusement and disdain to me but some people do like their hyperbole, don't they. Well, whatever it is at least it leaves them with a bit of self-respect, which I don't think I would have much of if I were as grovelling and sycophantic as some pro-Trump commenters. Besides, how about the "rage and insane behaviour" we might have seen from Trump supporters who were threatening to camp outside the White House with their guns if Hillary Clinton had won?

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bass4funkToday 08:07 am JST

Not deflect, that's that's the lefts exit strategy...

"that's that's..." Says the person who seems to be almost completely incapable of answering a comment about Donald Trump, the GOP or conservatives without mentioning "the left."

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Trump won not only because Hillary was a criminal but also because Obama took his party so far to the racialist identity politics extreme. 

Wrong on both counts:  I've addressed these two off the topic comments before, but since you mentioned them again, and the moderators let them stand once again, I’ll repeat what I said earlier that (1) despite the Republicans' best efforts, Hillary was never indicted or convicted of any crime. However, if you have evidence that says otherwise, then please cite the exact criminal statute that she was convicted of, which court convicted her, and what sentence she received. If you cannot do that, then she's not a criminal, so stop it with this hyper-partisan- fueled nonsense already. However, if you would like to see some real criminals, then look no further than the current administration where people have been indicted and convicted--with lots more to come. Next, (2) the only ones who practiced “racialist identity politics” prior to the current occupant in the Oval Office were the ones on the right who couldn’t bear to have a half white and half black man as their president.  Once again, if you can show any real (not imagined) examples of “racialist identity politics,” from Obama, I’m sure that many of us would love to see them.  Show us some actual quotations or speeches from credible sources that support these claims.  You know, like claiming that a certain group of people are “rapists” and “criminals” based on where they came from or what they looked like so that a wall can be built to keep them out.

As far as the content of the article above, Democrats were not expected to win in Ohio and in other deep-red Republican districts. Ohio's 12th has been a Republican seat since the 1980s, and it has been nicely gerrymandered to the point where it would take a miracle for any Democrat to win. What should be troubling is the fact that this was a district that Trump won by 11 points back in 2016--in other words, it should have been a lock, but now there is a recount. Why was it that close? Oh, and if you think the Ohio 12th District election is over and done, then think again because both candidates will square off in November to see who gets to hold the seat for a longer time. This recent election was to fill a vacancy until the voters get to decide again in the Midterms this year.

Both parties shouldn't be complacent because as the last election demonstrated, nothing is a sure bet. What isn't a sure bet is relying on spreading falsehoods to try and explain away election results to somehow plant seeds of doubt with one party or another. We'll see what the voters think in November.

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Not only did President Swamp win the district by 11 points but the previous House incumbent won it by over 20 points on more than one occasion. To come as close to defeat as their candidate did (and he may yet actually be defeated) is nothing short of a disaster. The feeble excuse put forward that turnout was lower among Republicans is no consolation either; rather it highlights the severity of the situation. Many Republican voters also cannot stomach Swamp or 'his' candidates, and don't bother to vote. No reason at all that this would be any different in the general election as opposed to a special election. Democrats on the other hand are enthused in their opposition and highly motivated to vote against the wretch and his fellow swamp-dwellers. Again, this will be equally the case in November. No amount of spin can turn this into a Swamp victory.

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I’m not essentially saying anything, what I’m saying is that our President said of White Supremacists “some are good people” – that’s a fact. 

The press is saying that but that isn’t what he actually said. Show me a quote where Trump states that ‘some white nationalists are good people’. If never said that. That’s a fact. The press was not satisfied that Trump blamed both sides for the violence. The press and Democrats believe that Antifa violence is justified. It isn’t.

Trump said there were some good people protesting to keep the Lee statue who had nothing to do with the white racists. Recall that the statue was what the protest was about. Antifa showed up with the intent to cause a violent conflict. That is Antifa’s m.o. They are violently attacking groups that are simply protesting for freedom of speech. None of the Antifa people are “good people.” They are just as violent as the white nationalists. That’s a fact.

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If you cannot do that, then she's not a criminal, so stop it with this hyper-partisan- fueled nonsense already. 

Okay by that standard you cannot say Trump is a racist because he has never been convicted of racism. You cannot say he colluded with the Russians because he has not been convicted of collusion. Yet that doesn’t stop many, many of his political opponents from doing so.

I happen to believe that America’s criminal justice system is hopelessly corrupt. You can see that in the fact that the Democrat party funneled money through third party cutouts to gather opposition research from the very same Russians that Trump is accused of colluding with. This tainted kompromat was used to spy on American citizens related to Trumps campaign. This politicized information is being used by the special counsel in Comey’s attempt to undo the results of the 2016 election. If the roles were reversed I guarantee you that the Left would be raising holy hell right now.

Now that it is acceptable to spy on an opposing party’s election campaign maybe Trump will find some obscure violation that will allow him to turn the tables and surveil the Dem candidate in 2020. The precedent has been set.

You may trust all law enforcement (except of course for the police that are accused of systematically oppressing black citizens ) but I don’t.

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@Simon: Besides, how about the "rage and insane behaviour" we might have seen from Trump supporters who were threatening to camp outside the White House with their guns if Hillary Clinton had won?

Well since Hillary lost to the second worst presidential candidate in American history we will never know how Trump supporters would have reacted had she won. We do know however that feminists, socialists, and communists decided to protest the results of a free election with p****y’s on their heads.

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Damn antifa for being so violent they ran a guy down with a car killing him.

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since Hillary lost to the second worst presidential candidate in American history

Damn her for losing by getting more votes. How undemocratic of her.

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Okay by that standard you cannot say Trump is a racist because he has never been convicted of racism.

I'm using the law as a standard. Calling someone a criminal and someone a racist are two very different things. Being a criminal means that you have been convicted of breaking the law or laws, and it is a serious matter on a person's record. There are crimes for falsely accusing someone of being a criminal if it causes that other person some type of financial or personal damage. That's why we have slander and libel laws. As I pointed out before, Clinton was never charged or convicted with a crime, so you and others cannot continue to label her a criminal.

Being a racist is not in itself a crime. However, it can lead to lawsuits for the person accused if they have shown to have violated certain laws. Trump's past has shown him to be a racist--from his statements in public to his discriminatory practices of denying people housing based on the color of their skin. See Trump's 1973 lawsuit and the settlement for just one example of him being a racist. You can read more about it here:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/inside-the-governments-racial-bias-case-against-donald-trumps-company-and-how-he-fought-it/2016/01/23/fb90163e-bfbe-11e5-bcda-62a36b394160_story.html?utm_term=.8f93ee6cd49f

You cannot say he colluded with the Russians because he has not been convicted of collusion. Yet that doesn’t stop many, many of his political opponents from doing so.

The Mueller investigation is far from over, so it is premature to say whether he is guilty or not (and by the way, the crime would be "conspiracy" and not "collusion" should charges ever get leveled). Recent statements by Trump's former personal lawyer, Michael Cohen, contradict Trump's past denials that he knew nothing about the infamous "Trump Tower Meeting" with a group of Russians prior to the 2016 election, so we are just going to have to wait and see what the investigation uncovers (that is if the Republicans in the House and others stop trying to derail the investigation before it runs its course).

I happen to believe that America’s criminal justice system is hopelessly corrupt. You can see that in the fact that the Democrat party funneled money through third party cutouts to gather opposition research from the very same Russians that Trump is accused of colluding with. This tainted kompromat was used to spy on American citizens related to Trumps campaign.

I'm not sure who you are talking about here, but the idea that the Justice Department singled out conservatives and other American citizens and spied on them has been shown to be false. For example, Trump accused the Obama Administration of orchestrating a wiretapping and bugging campaign against him during the election, but that was debunked. I'm sure other examples that you can provide will also be debunked (just remember the topic of this thread and what happens if you go too far off the topic).

This politicized information is being used by the special counsel in Comey’s attempt to undo the results of the 2016 election. If the roles were reversed I guarantee you that the Left would be raising holy hell right now.*

Here's another baseless accusation and talking point from the extreme right. There is zero evidence of Comey attempting to undo the results of the 2016 election, but trying to convince you and others of this is most likely a huge waste of time. However, if you have this evidence, you should forward it to the DOJ so that he can be prosecuted for violating election laws (or whatever other laws you can come up with).

Now that it is acceptable to spy on an opposing party’s election campaign maybe Trump will find some obscure violation that will allow him to turn the tables and surveil the Dem candidate in 2020. The precedent has been set.

Both parties have been spying on each other for as long as we have been having elections. The problem is, there are legal and illegal ways of doing it. The whole Watergate affair is one example of illegal spying. Getting stolen e-mails from a foreign entity and using them is another. Imagined wiretapping or cherry-picking IRS investigations of organizations suspected of violating Section 527 pertaining to tax status for political organizations are not.

You may trust all law enforcement (except of course for the police that are accused of systematically oppressing black citizens ) but I don’t.

That's your choice, but labeling all of law enforcement as corrupt because you feel that they are singling out the current President and his administration without real evidence is a huge over-generalization and is ridiculous in the extreme.

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When someone shows you who they are, believe them. Racist is as racist does. Trump has shown us for decades that he is a dyed-in-the-wool racist.

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