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Trump bows to pressure, calls neo-Nazis and KKK criminals

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Too little too late.

Love America.

Hate my dumb, racist president.

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Flip-flop!

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Impeach

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Just goes to show the world, trumpy does not know right from wrong.

He does know he is a predator, he does know he is a liar, he does know he is a misogynist, he does know he has small hands, he does know he is racist, he does know he is the master of hypocrisy.

Put this all together and what do we have, The President of the United Resorts of Trump.

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Civil war USA 2019 or perhaps 2018.

The hatred on both sides is solidified and growing by the day.

There's no turning back

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Why does it take Trump two tries to condemn white supremacists?

Last year, did Trump condemn David Duke immediately?

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Since he had to be forced to do this, and still employs Bannon/Gorka/Miller, it's meaningless.

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Trump condemmed bigotry on Saturday but that wasn't enough for the media #Resistance. Today he condemned White nationalists by name as the Leftist media demanded but of course that still isn't good enough. Trump knows that nothing he says or does short of claiming personal responsibility for the slave trade and Jim Crow will be good enough for the race baiting Left. The Dems wants racial animosity just as much as the White nationalists because it is their path to power. They have been using race as a wedge issue for political gain since the party's inception.

I can only Imagine what the media would be saying about Trump if he attended a racist church for 17 years and his personal mentor was the leader of that church.

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Congratulations!

Should have been hard to swallow.

This weaken his position as he is caving under pressure.

That's the second one after the Russian sanctions.

I know some regular will say flexibility is a great attribute for DT but he promised to be intransigent.

Now, to be fair, in a fight there usually at least 2 people.

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The picture above says a lot about the Trump White Male House.

Tip of the hat to Trump for calling out the KKK, neo-Nazis and other white supremacists. Here's hoping Bannon, Miller, Sessions and others in his admin will recognize that alienating the majority of Americans while pandering to the 35% just makes things worse. For everyone.

All hate groups need to be discredited.

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Trump's a coward.

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Is anyone really surprised that Trump needs a second try 48 hours later to condemn racists and neo-nazis? I am ashamed that this man is the POTUS.

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Is anyone really surprised that Trump needs a second try 48 hours later to condemn racists and neo-nazis? I am ashamed that this man is the POTUS.

I also think it was a mistake to not name White nationalists as the primary instigators and the ones responsible for the woman's death and the numerous injuries. He still condemned the bigots and racists and that was a good thing. He has now named the names that the media demanded. Obama couldn't name Islamic terrorists in his entire 8 years in office. Funny how blind the Left is to their own extremism and there own hatreds.

But there is indeed two sides to the hate. We have seen plenty of hate from the Left as seen in the shootings of Republicans at the baseball field, the shooting of 5 policemen in Dallas, the violence on college campuses, and the instigation of violence by Leftist at Trump campaign rallies last year.

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So much winning got to love it...

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This could have been a peaceful rally if the counter protesters were not violent.

I hope Trump also condems Antifa and BLM.

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And as I predicted yesterday, it's still not enough for any of you. It never is, no matter what the topic there will still be complaints and name calling.

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Wolfpack, 'the instigation of violence by Leftist' -- was he the guy who teamed up with Poncho in that old country song by Kris Kristoferson? Shouldn't be hard to handle since, as you say, there's only one of him.

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Trump hilariously did far more damage to the alt right than he realizes with both his delay and now his belated condemnation.

Now the entire world conflates the alt right with neo nazis so their movement is over. These single social failures now won't be able to hold many more demonstrations without risking a savage beating reserved for nazi scum

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bowing to mounting political pressure to condemn such groups explicitly after a white-nationalist rally turned deadly in Virginia.

bowing to mounting political pressure to condemn such groups explicitly after a white-nationalist rally turned deadly after the local police walked away and let the counter protestors into the streets then forced the white nationalists into the streets as well, in Virginia.

There. Fixed it for ya.

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I'm shocked, shocked that the right wing lunatics here are apologists and enabling nazis. Divide the country into three, leave the middle for Mordor

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I'm shocked, shocked that the right wing lunatics here are apologists and enabling nazis. Divide the country into three

Yeah. free speech is such a drag. Let's just tear that part out of the Constitution. Whadaya say!

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Exactly! Because the ultimate goal of the left is to restrict free speech for Nazis then expand that to call anyone who says anything they don't like "a Nazi" to silence them politically.

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Dems/libs used to have as a core of their foundation the right to free speech. Now it has become identity politics where any type of nationalist except whites are welcomed under the tent of multiculturalism.

How does the new joke I heard go?

im proud to be black, said the black man.

I'm proud to be Hispanic, said the Hispanic man.

Im proud to be white, said the racist.

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Trump bows to pressure

see, right there, proof that it wasn't genuine, nothing but a facade to hoodwink the public.

You wait, he'll tweet something derogatory, inane or spiteful, very soon, to appease his white supremacist fanbase, he won't be able to resist.

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Yes, that is exactly what the biased media wanted you to believe by phrasing the headline in that way, that he 'bowed to pressure'.

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http://thehill.com/policy/cybersecurity/346544-dreamhost-claims-doj-requesting-info-on-visitors-to-anti-trump-website

Oh wait, now libs want their freedom of speech protected again. But only theirs, no one else's. Put all the so called Nazis out there on social media, as they have to own who they are and lose their jobs or whatever for their beliefs. But you are Antifa/BLM/Anti-Trump you think you can just hide behind the First Amendment on social media and face no consequences? might want to rethink that.

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... to adjust the moral compass that he does not possess?

Sorry to correct the flawed logic of what was meant to be a poignant statement, but what does not exist cannot be adjusted. Trump has no moral compass. He has financial considerations, part of which currently involves acting as president.

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a bit odd how we always talk of freedom of speech and opinion but it doesn't appear to apply to right wing views.  sure acts of violence are unacceptable but having racist or other discriminatory views are surely protected under the constitution, no?

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Amazing 2 months ago when Congressman Scalise was shot, NO ONE in the media called it a radical hate crime or called out Sanders for his explosive comments about the president feeding the hatred of this guy, just quietly some sad, poor lone individual, a man who's mission was to murder every Republican at that game practice, pressure from the media to the left and outrage? Nope.

Now all of a sudden because Trump didn't spit out the words fast enough for the left to call out what we all know already, it's now his fault and that he bowed under pressure? I think we all know Trump ain't the kind of man to bow to pressure, but if that means to get the whiny left out of his face and to shut them up, why not, let's reiterate that point once more for the deaf.

Still waiting for the left to come down hard on the mayor, the governor and those whacked and intolerant terrorists ANTIFA filth.

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http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/346564-professor-wrongly-identified-as-charlottesville-marcher

And that didnt take long. The first example of why it ruins people's lives to irresponsibly call them Nazis when they are not.

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Lots of criticism came from Congressional Republicans. Lots.

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Oh, but bass, Antifa are on the right side, their violence doesn't count.

Lookit....if people wanted to protest the LEGAL, PERMITTED, Neo-Nazi march, one option was to hold another rally at a later date. Or go to City Hall and protest the group receiving a permit. Or, just ignore them and let the 200 of them have a sad little rally with no spectators, and NO PUBLICITY. As it stands, they decided to go toe-toe-toe with predictable results. The issues of the Charlottesville police standing down and not breaking up brawls until the situation escalated, and crowd/traffic control being so poor someone could drive a car through the venue need to be addressed.

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@TumbleDry I totally agree. Then there should be no groups based on giving priority/opportunity to one skin color over another. No BLM, no NAACP, no Storm Front, no La Raza, no illegal immigrant groups catering only to Hispanics etc and more.

No scholarships based on skin color, everything is merit based. But that will never happen in this identity politics driven world.

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The first example of why it ruins people's lives to irresponsibly call them Nazis when they are not.

Quinn told the newspaper. “I’ve dedicated my life to helping all people, trying to improve health care and train the next generation of scientists, and this is potentially throwing a wrench in that.”

I hope he files a lawsuit against the Mayor and Governor.

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Lookit....if people wanted to protest the LEGAL, PERMITTED, Neo-Nazi march, one option was to hold another rally at a later date. Or go to City Hall and protest the group receiving a permit. Or, just ignore them and let the 200 of them have a sad little rally with no spectators, and NO PUBLICITY. As it stands, they decided to go toe-toe-toe with predictable results. The issues of the Charlottesville police standing down and not breaking up brawls until the situation escalated, and crowd/traffic control being so poor someone could drive a car through the venue need to be addressed.

3/16 Trump disavowed the KKK constantly, disavowed David Duke for years not just now, but it is kinda funny the governor (Terry McAuliffe) who is one of Clinton's best friends and who was under federal investigation for campaign violations last year, hear anything about it? Nope? The man accepted illegal contributions which is forbidden by federal law. Why would he tell the police to stand down, the responsibility rests with him. If anything, he should booted out of office and there should be an investigation and the family of that poor girl that was murdered should sue the State. But no, the media doesn't want to focus on that? Anyone without a political agenda can see what the MSM and the establishment are trying to do.

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Still waiting for the left to come down hard on the mayor, the governor and those whacked and intolerant terrorists ANTIFA filth

chicken vs. the egg??

The right would have you believe a resurgent neo-nazis/KKK are the result of groups like Anifa (anti-fascism), which to be honest I just learned about. The fact is the president has been instrumental in the resurgent of the racists, and recent anti-fascist movements are a result of that resurgence.

Any group, to include those in Antifa, who use violence against people or property should be jailed. However, there is a difference between the "Alt-Right" and Antifa.

Now all of a sudden because Trump didn't spit out the words fast enough for the left to call out what we all know already, it's now his fault and that he bowed under pressure? I think we all know Trump ain't the kind of man to bow to pressure,

He didn't say the right words because he is morally corrupt. This is a guy who has lived his whole life with almost no rules, except from the bankers who foreclosed on him. He lies like normal people breath.

The man's pressure point is his thin-skin. He caves in to that pressure all the time pal.

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@BlackLabel

How does the new joke I heard go?

im proud to be black, said the black man.

I'm proud to be Hispanic, said the Hispanic man.

Im proud to be white, said the racist.

Your whole point of view is a strawman argument!

The labels of "racist" or "Nazi" are not usually applied to those who are merely "proud" of their ethnic heritage — as seen in, for instance, St. Patrick's Day parades, but to those who take their so-called "pride" to the extremes of hatred, denigration and violence towards other races, such as Neo-Nazis, and they use the symbols of the swatstika and confederate flags as symbols of that hate.

History tells us within the last thousand years that "whiteness" has always been a construct used to exclude certain groups from equal rights.

Whiteness is an artificial sociological construct which has been used throughout history to exclude certain groups of people from the rights guaranteed others and to justify bigoted attitudes. Throughout American history, many groups considered white today (e.g., Germans, Irish) were viewed as non-white. It is sponsored by the Ku Klux Klan, which by virtue of its history is a racist organization with a white supremacist agenda. In terms of where “white pride” is still alive and well, it is in the American prison community. The Aryan Brotherhood and other outright white supremacist gangs remain an ongoing menace in America. a symptom of white minority politics.
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@Himajin

Oh, but bass, Antifa are on the right side, their violence doesn't count.

Breaking the law egardless of political affilitation is breaking the law; however, only one side in this conflict promotes racials genocide and committed murder in Charlottesville, and it ain't the Antifa.

See the difference now?

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@Silvafan I agree with you 100%. All you mentioned is why white people are not allowed to be proud of being white without being accused of being a racist. All other skin colors are not only allowed, but encouraged, to have pride in their identity based on color of skin. They also get special privileges/opportunities based on skin color while whites are sold some story about 'white privilege' that they already have that supposedly already got them something.

History tells us within the last thousand years that "whiteness" has always been a construct used to exclude certain groups from equal rights.

I agree again. But now groups like Black Lives Matter are doing the exact same thing, and its fine with liberals. ALL Lives Matter, people say? No, ONLY Black Lives Matter, no others, is the response. White people shot by police? dont care.

I saw an interview on Fox News with a lesbian, black, converted to Muslim black woman. She identified herself as an Islamic activist loosely associated with BLM. Various questions were asked and answered respectfully back and forth. At the end, they chose to disagree on some issues and the host mentioned 'well at least we are all Americans, right?' The woman immediately said 'no, Im black'. This is how things are in the identity politics world.

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The right would have you believe a resurgent neo-nazis/KKK are the result of groups like Anifa (anti-fascism), which to be honest I just learned about.

Both groups are opportunists and could care less about anyone else.

The fact is the president has been instrumental in the resurgent of the racists, and recent anti-fascist movements are a result of that resurgence.

No, the hatred of the left, the obsessive and deep rooted hatred for this man and to use ANYTHING to crush him, the MSM are the people that are the driving force to push their radical agenda forward.

Any group, to include those in Antifa, who use violence against people or property should be jailed. However, there is a difference between the "Alt-Right" and Antifa.

And that is?

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@blacklab Then there should be no groups based on giving priority/opportunity to one skin color over another.

By making that statement I'm going to assume you're not familiar with America's history of institutionalized racism.

I like US music and art from the 1950s, but Trump and many of his supporters seem to want to return to the 'separate but equal', legalized discrimination of that era. Trump seems to want to go back to the days of big auto, big energy, the days of minimal consumer and environmental protection, the days when Blacks had to have the National Guard escort them to university.

Can anyone name a nation that improved by going back to a fictionalized past?

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im proud to be black, said the black man.

I'm proud to be Hispanic, said the Hispanic man.

Im proud to be white, said the racist

That's because most whites, not all, are racists. And yeah, there are black and hispanic racists, too. But at least they have a reason to be. What are white's excuse? BLM do chant kill the police?. That's because a whole slew of cops kill blacks and get away with it. BLM just didn't spring up and say kill the police for no reason. Any white person defending the confederacy is a racist. What was the confederate states of America fighting for? Their belief in their right to secede from the US (an act of treason) and to hold other human beings in slavery. If that's your "southern heritage" then it's the same as Nazi German heritage.

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I agree with the merit based system. The problem is to give a chance to everyone and that everyone should have the same access to good eduction but this not the case.

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That should be enough time to reassure the racists that his hand was forced.

I never thought I'd see the day when a leader of a great country was making that kind of calculation.

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By making that statement I'm going to assume you're not familiar with America's history of institutionalized racism.

So people were negatively affected by institutionalized racism, of course. People have been given additional opportunities based entirely on skin color for nearly 50 years, almost 2 generations. How much longer do you anticipate that this is needed? People are no longer restricted from educational or job opportunities based on skin color since a looooong time ago, right? In fact, these days it is more advantageous to be a 'person of color' (non white) in many situations.

When you have white people who are not only told they can have no pride in their identity, but who also have to be apologetic for so called 'white privilege' it leads to confusion in some and negative attitudes in others. People cant understand why they are expected to apologize for and feel ashamed of their own skin color/identity while others can openly celebrate theirs and get extra opportunities.

Either we are all equal or we are not and others still need extra privileges based only on skin color or they dont. As a society we need to decide that once and for all. These are the things we need to be talking about, not some nonsense about Trump.

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I like US music and art from the 1950s, but Trump and many of his supporters seem to want to return to the 'separate but equal', legalized discrimination of that era.

Yeah, somehow I doubt it.

President Trump was awarded the Ellis Island Medal of Honor in 1986 with the likes of Rosa Parks and Muhammad Ali.

The Ellis Island Medals of Honor embody the spirit of America in their celebration of patriotism, tolerance, brotherhood and diversity. They recognize individuals who have made it their mission to share with those less fortunate their wealth of knowledge, indomitable courage, boundless compassion, unique talents and selfless generosity; all while maintaining the traditions of their ethnic heritage as they uphold the ideals and spirit of America. As always, NECO remains dedicated to the maintenance and restoration of America’s greatest symbol of its immigrant history, Ellis Island.

Since its founding in 1986, the Medal has been officially recognized by both Houses of Congress as one of our nation’s most prestigious awards. In that time we have honored distinguished and diverse Americans including six Presidents of the United States; Secretary of State Hillary Clinton, as well as esteemed Americans such as Frank Sinatra, Lee Iacocca, Quincy Jones, Muhammad Ali, Nobel laureate Elie Wiesel, Louis Zamperini and Rosa Parks, just to name a few.

Trump seems to want to go back to the days of big auto, big energy, the days of minimal consumer and environmental protection, the days when Blacks had to have the National Guard escort them to university. 

Debunked, try again. Turn off the TV.

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See the difference now?

> I think violence is wrong.

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And yeah, there are black and hispanic racists, too. But at least they have a reason to be. What are white's excuse?

Agree with everything you said except that part. I think I understand your thinking when you say that, but I cant agree. if you make excuses to create a group of 'justified' racists, then all other groups are also free to come up with their own justifications. Racism and hatred from ALL groups has to go so that there is no group who can legitimately feel 'aggrieved'.

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I agree again. But now groups like Black Lives Matter are doing the exact same thing, and its fine with liberals. ALL Lives Matter, people say? No, ONLY Black Lives Matter, no others, is the response. White people shot by police? dont care.

I can't believe how long this ignorance has perpetuated. Any one with common sense knows there's an implied "too" at the end of Black Lives Matter, and that the group was started after many high profile cases of police killing unarmed blacks and getting away with it. The group was a response to the courts, who were giving the impression through their refusal to indict these murderous cops that black lives don't matter. It's telling that so many white people assume that equality for blacks automatically means inequality for whites, black power means white disempowerment, black lives matter means white lives don't . What this mode of thinking betrays is that whites don't feel safe, comfortable, and secure unless non-whites are at the bottom of the social scale and whites are at the top.

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@Blacklabel

I agree again. But now groups like Black Lives Matter are doing the exact same thing, and its fine with liberals. ALL Lives Matter, people say? No, ONLY Black Lives Matter, no others, is the response. White people shot by police? dont care.

Wrong! You are lying again! Black Lives Matter has never said that Black Lives are more important than any other race.

Actually, a cop killed a white teen and the #AllLivesMatter crowd said nothing. The only group that stood up for him was BLM. Where have you seen White pride proponents speaking up for POC?

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/zachary-hammond-police-killing_us_55c0e240e4b0c9fdc75dfda3

They also get special privileges/opportunities based on skin color while whites are sold some story about 'white privilege' that they already have that supposedly already got them something.

Except for the privileges and benefits that whites received from the stealing of Native American land, 265 years of slavery, and 99 years of segregation. Equal rights have only been around for POC for 61 years. Your parents and grandparents were probably around to take advantage of all those benefits. Benefits whites are still enjoying to this day. The funny thing is that the number one beneficiary of the 1964 act was "white women" not POC. The same women who was also marching with other Neo-Nazis and White Power marchers.

Researched facts that prove white privilege exist and almost all whites benefit from it:

You are less likely to be arrested.

You are more likely to get into college.

You are more likely to "fit in" and get called back for a job.

You are less likely to be perceived as a "thug."

You are less likely to be labeled "angry."

You are more likely to make headlines when missing.

You are more likely to find adequate housing.

When the registered-gun owning law abiding citizen Philando Castle complied with the police, he was still shot, and the NRA didn't stand for him. Said nothing! When Justine Damond was shot by a black police officer, the police union didn't stand by that police officer like they did for other white police officers in the country with a lot of substantial evidence against them. Said nothing!

That is privilege whether you fail to admit it or not.

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there's an implied "too" at the end of Black Lives Matter

No, the focus of BLM is entirely on BLM, their agenda, and no one else.

Sorry, its Fox News but a BLM Leader confirms this in one example here:

http://insider.foxnews.com/2017/06/06/black-lives-matter-black-only-memorial-day-picnic-tucker-carlson-lisa-durden

I still dont get how people want 'equality' by getting special treatment for their group, cause or agenda.

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This is another reason how I know that there is no 'equality' in any of this. There is no desire to support any free speech that is not desirable and events are often cancelled due to 'safety' concerns. Why would this event be unsafe? Because they know Antifa will come and try to beat up people again. So people's free speech rights are being denied due to an expected violent response for those who dont want free speech to happen.

http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/346551-texas-am-cancels-white-lives-matter-rally

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The past is coming to eat the US out. There is no justice on a land built upon injustices, rape, murders, robberies, and bigoteries. The substantial racism infused in the American system will blow up in the face of the legislators and drag the country into a bloody abyss and a messy ordeal. Mark my words.

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@Mr. Noidall

What this mode of thinking betrays is that whites don't feel safe, comfortable, and secure unless non-whites are at the bottom of the social scale and whites are at the top.

You hit the nail on the head! Racism which is just an excuse to keep one group in power is ok as long as it is their group. The slogan that the white supremacists are always chanting is "We will not be replaced!"

"If you can convince the lowest white man he's better than the best colored man, he won't notice you're picking his pocket. He'll give him somebody to look down on. and he'll empty his pockets for you."

-President Lyndon B. Johnson (a racist president)

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I still dont get how people want 'equality' by getting special treatment for their group, cause or agenda.

Well then I guess you don't get white america and what's been going on in America for for 241 years. I think affirmative action is disgusting, and many qualified whites do get screwed by it. It's unfair. Most people I know don't want to be a diversity hire, anyway. But the sicker part is that it's a solution, a messed up one, to the systematic discrimation that does happen towards minorities by white managers. Just seventy years ago the dream job of an African American was a Pullman porter- a porter!

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@blacklab I still dont get how people want 'equality' by getting special treatment for their group, cause or agenda.

I'm going to assume you're perhaps a millennial, lack historical knowledge or aren't American by making that statement. Though legislation and enforcement of laws have reduced levels of discrimination, discrimination against non-white males still exists at all levels. 

Prior to the enactment of civil rights legislation discrimination was blatant, rampant. 

I’m only one example I know, but as a white male I have never been discriminated against and have had access to almost unlimited opportunities throughout my life. Same with all family members and friends I grew up with and their children. 

A world free of bias would be wonderful, but absent legal protections is not likely to exist. Anywhere.

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So as a young white person you are constantly bombarded with this idea that you have white privilege by the people who have special privileges now. But when you look at your own life, you have none. Then people say well thats too bad, your parents or grandparents probably had it. All you can see is a system that actually provided extra benefits to others based only on skin color for 61 years.

I dont know about your list, I dont see where any of those are out of the control of the person who might be affected by them. Except maybe the missing part, which was an awesome joke by Patrice O'Neal back in the day which said police tend to look for missing pretty white blonde girls longer than anyone else (funny as a joke but somehow also true).

Things on your list not only happen to POC but this happens to white people too, the guy with the face tattoo felt it first hand. Dont you think he was also thought of as a thug and didnt fit in?

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/07/14/man-devast8-face-tattoo-struggling-get-job/

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Not wishing to sound 'off topic', but I can't understand Trumpers logic, when they say things like,

"Great, he's not a career politician, he's a businessman, and buisnemen get things done."

Er, no... Most businessmen only care for their company and their company's profits.

Is anyone tired of winning yet?

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Just seventy years ago the dream job of an African American was a Pullman porter- a porter!

And from 8 years ago, a black man was President and Hispanics were viable candidates in 2016. A black man was actually a Republican candidate! So as I said, do we still really need all these identity based politics? The so called 'white privilege' is nearly non existent by now as not only a desire for diversity but required diversity has taken over employment, education and most parts of daily life. Identity politics was Hillary's entire platform (hot sauce in the purse for blacks, call me your 'Abuela' for Hispanics) and probably one of the main reasons she lost, as some people saw it as pandering for votes.

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@BlackLabel

Sorry, its Fox News but a BLM Leader confirms this in one example here:

Your source already shows that your logic is on very shakey ground.

I still don't get how people want 'equality' by getting special treatment for their group, cause or agenda.

Simple the privileges that whites (particularly white men) received for 400 years has never stopped. In fact, I and others are arguing that they aren’t even privileges anymore, but rather the predictable manifestations of brought about by the American political and economic model. I have already listed some verifiable examples of white privilege for all white americans.

The point is that even with these special treatments, it still isn't equal. It is hypocritical to look down on others for wanting the same privileges that whites have benefit from throughout the history of this country.

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Your source already shows that your logic is on very shakey ground.

It is not an opinion piece, you can see the person speaking and hear their words directly. Its not even my logic involved, it is the direct words out of the spokesperson's mouth which you can also hear for yourself. Source is irrelevant in cases of direct speaking. BLM purposely excludes anyone other than blacks even if you are supportive of their position and agenda. (but they will still take your support and financial donations).

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Surely now, SURELY NOW -- there cannot be a single solitary individual left who wants this horrible person to continue as President!

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@Blacklabel

This is another reason how I know that there is no 'equality' in any of this. There is no desire to support any free speech that is not desirable and events are often cancelled due to 'safety' concerns.

You don't understand the first amendment. The first amendment was to protect the people from the government. It also doesn't give protection to all forms of speech. It excludes any language incites violence or lies with the intent to harm individuals. For example, saying kill all blacks and jews is not protected. Which so happens to be the rhetoric from the White Pride marchers. That type of hate is coming mostly from one side, and it ain't BLM or antifa. This exception also applies to symbols and written words that do the same thing. Therefore, not all speech is protected.

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And from 8 years ago, a black man was President and Hispanics were viable candidates in 2016. A black man was actually a Republican candidate! So as I said, do we still really need all these identity based politics? The so called 'white privilege' is nearly non existent by now as not only a desire for diversity but required diversity has taken over employment, education and most parts of daily life. Identity politics was Hillary's entire platform (hot sauce in the purse for blacks, call me your 'Abuela' for Hispanics) and probably one of the main reasons she lost, as some people saw it as pandering for votes.

Very good point. Maybe affirmative action is outdated. Obama, however, isn't the black messiah; just because he became president doesn't mean discrimination ended with his inauguration. I also think you make a good point about white privilege: it's often assumed that a poor, unsuccessful white male is an anomaly. I mean, how could a white man be poor with his white privileges and all? If only mainstream liberalism caught on to this fallacy and included poor whites in their circles, Trump wouldn't have had anything to exploit and no buttons to push, instead of now having an actual button to push--a red one.

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"If you can convince the lowest white man he's better than the best colored man, he won't notice you're picking his pocket. He'll give him somebody to look down on. and he'll empty his pockets for you."

And that's exactly what Trump did!

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@blacklab Well if that is true racism as a concept should be discarded as a total failure, as it didnt work.

Are you saying that because the US had a Black president and that there were Black people in positions of power that Black people were somehow in control of the US and therefore 3 centuries of discrimination and institutional racism should have been eliminated?

 How did this happen? 

One way was by trying to find ways through legislation for non-White males to have the same opportunities White males have had for the past 3 centuries. Look at university demographics prior to civil rights legislation. Look at hiring practices. Look at civil rights legislation regarding university admissions and hiring practices.

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That type of hate is coming mostly from one side, and it ain't BLM or antifa.

BLM: 'Pigs in a blanket, fry em like bacon'

It excludes any language incites violence or lies with the intent to harm individuals

The BLM speeches meet both your criteria for being unprotected by free speech. It incites violence against police ('pigs') and intends to harm them ('fry em').

As far as me, despite this hateful and inciteful BLM speech, I think it IS and should be protected under free speech. But that goes the same for the other kinds of speech you mentioned you dont like to hear. I dont like to hear those kind of things either but the person has a right to say them and I have a right to go somewhere else or not associate with that person so I dont have to hear it.

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It's often assumed that a poor, unsuccessful white male is an anomaly. I mean, how could a white man be poor with his white privileges and all? 

There are millions and millions of such people. People here derisively call them 'rednecks' and make fun of their intelligence and their chosen lifestyle. This 'white privilege' stuff only plays well on the coasts, in identity politics and in Hollywood (#oscarssowhite or whatever).

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@Blacklabel

Well if that is true racism as a concept should be discarded as a total failure, as it didnt work.

LOL!

There are POC business leaders, CEOs, owners of companies, educators, investors, all in positions of power. These people went to college, had a home to live in, got hired, fit in, werent arrested and were not perceived as angry or as thugs. Someone would definitely look for them if they went missing. How did this happen? Maybe people took individual responsibility for their lives and made effort to get what they wanted instead of waiting around for identity politics to give them something.

There is no logic in your argument! That doesn't prove that racism doesn't exist. It doesn't prove that those people never experienced racism to become president, CEO or any other kind of success.

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Black people in positions of power that Black people were somehow in control of the US and therefore 3 centuries of discrimination and institutional racism should have been eliminated?

the USA hasnt even existed for 3 centuries yet, but anyway you think it hasnt been long enough with the special opportunities for people by skin color. So it was my question to you all here, how long do you think will it take to eliminate the 3 centuries of discrimination and institutional racism?

To me, it seems done and starting to tip in the other direction. If that is the case how long should whites be discriminated against to make it all even?

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@BlackLabel

(Pigs)

It is protected because it is a description based on opinion. That is why derogatory words are protected for everyone.

('fry em').

It means go to jail or put them in jail. I am starting to believe that you are a non-amarican with very little understanding of the cultural history and surface-level understanding of the language. Probably Japanese?

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Isn't it racist to assume I'm Japanese based on my beliefs and the way I speak? Just a joke...

(No I'm not Japanese and I'm well aware that Fry em means to kill someone by electrocution, such as when killers get the electric chair)

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@blacklab the USA hasnt even existed for 3 centuries yet

Check your history on when slaves (of all races) were first brought to areas that became parts of the US. Institutionalized as well as personal racism has been carried over since then. Racism is bad everywhere in the US, but particularly bad in states that were former slave states.

how long do you think will it take to eliminate the 3 centuries of discrimination and institutional racism?

I doubt it will ever fully go away, and if laws protecting non-white males in employment, housing and education and other areas are taken away will only get worse.

how long should whites be discriminated against to make it all even?

You can't be serious.

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@Blacklabel

the USA hasnt even existed for 3 centuries yet, but anyway you think it hasnt been long enough with the special opportunities for people by skin color.

Not to nitpick but Colonial America (1492-1763) and The US signed it independence in 1776. So, there was plenty of time for racism to get it's foothold into the country on Natives, Blacks, the Chinese, Mexicans etc.

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Sure I am serious. What has to be done so that actual "equality" can be achieved? Because it will never be equal while continuing to give groups special entitlements that are only based on the color of their skin. while at the same time artificially manipulating employment under diversity programs that hire a color or a race not a skill.

Some jobs don't need to be diverse if they are merit based on performance. I don't see anyone complaining not enough whites in the NBA based only on proportion of whites in society. You have to look at not just that but are whites proficient at basketball and do they have any desire to participate in it over something else in the first place.

Shouid whites get special consideration to join the NBA because it's not diverse enough? That's what some educational institutions and diversity programs are doing.

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@Blacklabel

(No I'm not Japanese and I'm well aware that Fry em means to kill someone by electrocution, such as when killers get the electric chair)

Then you realize that this:

The BLM speeches meet both your criteria for being unprotected by free speech. It incites violence against police ('pigs') and intends to harm them ('fry em').

is incorrect, right? It is referring to the punishment that they believe police officers who commit murder should receive from the judicial system.

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Yes, I can understand your point of view and see your logic. All I can say is that BLM was using this to incite violence against all police officers, not just the ones who they feel committed murder. The same officers who went through the judicial system and were found innocent.

But yeah, you made a good point and that is another way to think about it, so fair enough. I just wish the result of all that anger, resentment and incitement wouldnt have been that innocent police officers were murdered by people inflamed by BLM rhetoric.

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When you have white people who are not only told they can have no pride in their identity, but who also have to be apologetic for so called 'white privilege' it leads to confusion in some and negative attitudes in others. 

Poor white people have it so hard and have no pride and feel the need to be apologetic??? I have no idea where you get this from. . . . Brietbart?

Like most Americans, white people tend live in their own world and don't care about the outside world. Most are immune to issues of race related pride. They are not missing out on anything, except maybe an inability to jump, not being able to hold a beat, dancing, . . . any other stereotypes?

My mother would say to my sister, you are free, white and 21. It wasn't a slander on blacks or whites, or meant to keep non-whites down. Rather, it was saying you have nothing holding you back but yourself, and it also had a realistic view of race. Non-whites have inherent hurdles because of racism.

In education, some form of affirmative action will be necessary to change race based economic differences created by historical and systemic racism.

That said, in the workplace, there should only be a meritocracy.

So it was my question to you all here, how long do you think will it take to eliminate the 3 centuries of discrimination and institutional racism?

Systemic racism is still present 63 years after Brown v. Board of Ed (1954) and about 52 years since blacks gained the right to vote (1965), and systemic gender gaps are still present after nearly 100 years (1920) since women were granted the right to vote.

The end of racism will take longer than the end of the gender gap, and I don't feel that the gender gap will be going away anytime soon.

Education and communication has advanced significantly lately. In the past, we only had books like To Kill a Mockingbird as a main steam education tool to educate us about our racist past and those champions who stood against racism. I tend to be optimistic and hope for good in people.

In my optimistic opinion, maybe another 50 to 150 years as the Jeffery Sessions of the world die off until systemic racism is over.

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Viking; the gender gap is gone. Women make up the majority of university applicants and students. Young women earn more than young men. They are hired preferentially against men with equivalent qualifications.

As for "institutional racism", it is meaningless. Show me specific institutions that are racist and I will fight them with you. IMHO, these days economics mean more than any other fixed "identity". Why should Obama's daughters get preferential treatment over the children of a single white parent from West Virginia?

You only need to look at the terrible treatment of Asian Americans, especially in terms of university entrance, to see the horrid result of so-called "affirmative action" taken to extremes. Identity politics at its worst.

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The United States has been completely divided, almost so far it is beyond repair. Having lived through the 60's and Vietnam I saw both racial and anti-war protests, Kent State in Ohio, etc. There was division then...but now it is different. It is much more vicious and has reached the point where those of opposite views can no longer effectively carry on a dialogue without it devolving into an argument or violence.

Trump has not helped matters at all but this has been some time coming.

As an American it is saddening to watch; even form across the ocean.

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Viking; the gender gap is gone.

In some places, yes. That doesn't make it gone.

As for "institutional racism", it is meaningless. 

No, children of white families with a history of attending Harvard (as an example) tend to be in a better economic position than children black families who economically have no possibility of attending Harvard.

My generation is the first in college from my family. I expect my children to be better off then I am as a result, and I am considered white. I didn't feel oppressed by affirmative action.

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@Attilathehungry

You only need to look at the terrible treatment of Asian Americans, especially in terms of university entrance, to see the horrid result of so-called "affirmative action" taken to extremes. Identity politics at its worst.

The suggestion that admissions officers are actively rejecting Asian applicants solely because of their race is almost impossible to substantiate. In fact, some affirmative-action advocates stress that doing away with race-conscious admissions would actually hurt certain Asian applicants. The category “Asian” encompasses an incredibly diverse spectrum of ethnic groups, from Chinese to Cambodians to Bangladeshi. Most of those groups are severely underrepresented in higher education, some of them more so than African Americans, despite the focus on black students in much of the public discourse on affirmative action.

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That said, in the workplace, there should only be a meritocracy.

Why in every place in society but the workplace would special consideration need to be given for skin color? Your position I suppose is that once you get the job, you can finally just survive or not based entirely on your own effort and skill. Assuming you work in an office with others, sounds kind of self serving. Why dont you just give your promotion to the African American or Hispanic guy in your office, you know he had a much more hard road to get to the same level of skill that you have.

Poor white people have it so hard and have no pride and feel the need to be apologetic???

Yes, that is what society is now telling us with this 'white privilege' concept. See several of your fellow posters who agree with this concept and who have given examples of this supposed privilege. I am constantly told by the media that I need to apologize for my white privilege and am unable to have pride in the color of my skin because that somehow makes me a Nazi. As my black friend says, every day is White Appreciation Day yet African American History month is the shortest month of the year.

Non-whites have inherent hurdles because of racism.

But they can be overcome with effort. This was not the case previously. I think we actually do a disservice to non whites by thinking that they can only be successful if whites implement some type of affirmative action that gives them an actual better chance than others. Cant win on a level playing field, that tells those people. But this is not true, many examples of non whites being hugely successful.

So it will take 50-150 years more and racism is kinda Jeff Session's fault. Interesting, but ok.

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Funny that Harvard would be mentioned:

https://www.forbes.com/sites/stevecohen/2015/07/06/the-secret-quotas-in-college-admissions/#30bbe0a8b736

The complaint, filed with the U.S. Department of Education’s Office for Civil Rights, alleges that for Asian-American students to gain admission, they have to have SAT scores 140 points higher than white students, 270 points higher than Hispanic students and 450 points higher than African-American students.

So an Asian needs to score 450 points higher on the SAT than an African American? how is this fair and how does this encourage African Americans to strive and make effort to be equal in order to get the same thing?

I thought I had 'white privilege' in education too and its easier for me to get into college....?

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@Blacklabel

So an Asian needs to score 450 points higher on the SAT than an African American? how is this fair and how does this encourage African Americans to strive and make effort to be equal in order to get the same thing?

I thought I had 'white privilege' in education too and its easier for me to get into college....?

It's true that Asian Americans generally have higher tests scores than Black and White Americans but that is not the only factor for college admissions. A recent study showed that the admissions of Asian Americans is actually affected more by the admission of white candidates with lower qualifications than black candidates. All minorities should thank Black Americans because without their sacrifice in the 1960's who knows if you would be able to attend many places of higher learning in the United States. Furthermore, Asians are focusing on AA but should focus more on the reasons that Asians don't tend to perform as well as their grades would suggest in the real world. 

Universities generally accepts many students from a variety of backgrounds because they have something to offer in combination which might include stellar academics, high tests scores, a riveting essay, an amazing personal story or having qualities that make you educate yourself beyond the classroom. 

As I have said many times, any race can have any Affirmative Action afforded to African Americans but in return please take the racism, police brutality, high employment, etc and that's its all yours no argument.

You want people to feel slighted when you don't have any idea what it is to be slighted. The change that African Americans have brought to America has benefited all Americans while most other groups have stood silently by.

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The funniest part is, all these pathetic social failures cosplaying as Nazis carrying tiki torches have now all identified themselves in one of the most video covered events this year, so the retribution on them can proceed with minimal effort. They've done half the job in identification already!

The retribution for a Nazi rat has to be brutal seeing that is all they respond to. You'll find that the Nazi vermin will be scurrying back into their dark holes where they came from being the cowards they are

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Learning this Harvard fact makes me question some things. This current generation more than any other has been calling for 'equality'. Women in combat, education, jobs, anyone in any position they are qualified for. Equal treatment for all has required that some people be treated more equally now than others to make up the gap of the last decades. That is understandable.

But now we realize whites have to score 130 points higher than Hispanics and 310 higher than African Americans to get the same admission. Have whites now realized that it has become completely unequal to their own detriment and they now understand that 'equal' would actually be to their benefit? I have never understood why someone would agree to give special considerations to someone they are competing against in life for jobs and educational opportunities to begin with. So maybe Im not the right person to think about this.

I will share what I know to help a person get to my level, but they will then have to go and do what I did. I cant accept that just because of skin color they only have to score 750 on a test that I need to score 1060 on to get the same opportunity. Things have been unequal but not THAT unequal, even moreso in recent years.

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Why dont you just give your promotion to the African American or Hispanic guy in your office, you know he had a much more hard road to get to the same level of skill that you have.

America is still based on capitalism, and the primary component of any business is having a competitive advantage, which relies on the best people possible not quotas. Of course, you have to comply with the EEOC.

Education is another matter. Everyone should have access to quality education as a right.

Cant win on a level playing field, that tells those people. But this is not true, many examples of non whites being hugely successful.

And many examples of systemic racism still exist. My college had a systemic racism scandal against black women, and it was subjected to affirmative action for several years to make up for the effects of that racism.

It depends on how you measure the playing field. In many ways, it isn't a level playing field. Yes, if you are poor and white vs. poor and black, you may not get the race based scholarship. I don't see a problem with that.

If politicians wanted all poor people to go to college, they would make college free.... I would agree to that, which probably makes me a Bernie Sanders style commie lefty in some people's eyes. However, quality of life and the economy increases with education, so educating as many people as possible in America would benefit the country as a whole. It would be money better spent than building a symbolic wall.

There are many people who had less opportunities because of their race, and affirmative action should be used to address that situation and situations where there are economic differences. The Bell Curve was a controversial book that many people jumped on as racist. However, many people (black and white) rightly pointed out that the book showed a need to change education to address the systemic issues raised.

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It's true that Asian Americans generally have higher tests scores than Black and White Americans but that is not the only factor for college admissions. 

yes, but it is the first disqualifying factor. Once you are out, they cant consider any other factors that might otherwise admit you.

Asian 1200 score, African American 760 score guess who is in and who is out? This is all set up to establish racial quotas in the name of diversity. Non-women are only 50.8% and 50% are non-white. Looking good and should keep Harvard from being attacked in social justice land. But is this right and does it encourage everyone to do their best?

http://news.harvard.edu/gazette/story/2017/03/2056-applicants-were-invited-today-to-join-harvard-colleges-class-of-2021/

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All readers back on topic. Please keep your comments focused on what is in the story.

So it will take 50-150 years more and racism is kinda Jeff Session's fault. Interesting, but ok.

Yes, it is the fault of people like Jeff Sessions who is a known racist and those like Trump who give quarter to racists. Old Jeff liked the KKK, until he heard they like to smoke dope.

Until the old racists die out and young minds come around to new ways of thinking, racism will continue.

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Jeff Sessions, racist for life somehow. But Robert Byrd, Hillary's mentor and KKK leader, how do you feel about him and his late life transformation? Gets a total free pass. I feel that he felt the political and social winds changing and felt he had no choice but to reinvent himself. Was still as racist most of his life, why dont we rename all the schools and such that are named after him? Thats what they are doing now with anyone who fought on the wrong side of the Civil war, taking their name off things and destroying any monuments to them.

Was Robert E. Lee a racist? not that I have ever heard....

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 Black codes, Slave codes, Jim Crow laws 

These are more prevalent in RECENT YEARS than previously? I havent talked to any young black kids who told me Jim Crow laws were holding them down, plus been no slaves for 150 years now?

modern for-profit prison system.

yes, agree that is concerning for everyone, not just non whites. But you generally dont end up in prison without breaking the law in the first place, even with a for profit system.

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Sounds like the right thing to do if you think racism is actually still an issue in it all.

Nope, my business relies on having the best people possible. It is race and gender agnostic.

Google?? The guy they fired was stupid and whatever you call someone who discriminates against women. You don't want a company policy of allowing ideas that ostracizes a whole segment of society. How is that be acceptable as a publicly traded company?

Similarly, Trump should not ostracize a whole segment of the population by giving quarter neo-nazis and racists. He should follow Google's lead and immediately take decisive action.

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Nope, my business relies on having the best people possible. It is race and gender agnostic.

You do realize that was the justification for racism and sexism in the first place, right?

'We arent discriminating against anyone, this white guy here just happens to be the 'best' for this job'.

That was so popular a method of racism and other -isms that it required action to correct it. So sometimes now the white guy who really IS the best for the job cant get it because there are already too many other white guys working there. Those types of happenings breed the frustration that grows white nationalists and their like.

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on your site too?

Not my site

Jeff Sessions, racist

That's 100% right and it can be proven.

I havent talked to any young black kids..

Do you go around looking for young black kids to talk to them? This is in Japan? That's disturbing. Don't approach any kid to talk to them.

Go to https://twitter.com/YesYoureRacist for outed racists.

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Easy answer to why Trump blamed others but not the KKK in yet another case of white racist terrorism, because that is his voter base and he knows it. The republican party is racist to the core and they now

freely admit that in the streets with KKK protests. Trump is a full on racist, as was his father who was a KKK member himself. Trump owes the KKK for being elected President and the majority of republicans, who may not want to run over people they hate like this guy did, are willing to let others do it for them. Trump spent years lying about Obama not being born in the USA, a racist attack clearly, but when his KKK supporters run over people he says nothing. Racist to the core.

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You do realize that was the justification for racism and sexism in the first place, right?

No, when used as a justification for being racist (e.g., favoring a worse performing person solely because they were white), then it is a justification for racism and is not a meritocracy. Don't conflate racism with meritocracies. Besides, I used the term in respect of my business, which relies highly on the performance of people.

The dirty side of meritocracy is the fallacy that your merit will always be rewarded. Work hard and you will be successful. It doesn't always work out that way. You may work hard and be brilliant, but you still land a crap job and get paid no where near what you are worth.

Trump himself is using merit in his positions, but then he talks about closing borders to allow Americans to compete against the flood of immigrants. That isn't a merit based policy. It is a nationalistic policy that racists love, especially since it is blanketed in the language of merit.

Was Robert E. Lee a racist? not that I have ever heard....

Not that I care. There isn't any need to commemorate a general who lost a war with statues in 30+ states, especially when racists look to him like an idol and symbol of their cause. You can read about how great a general he was in history books, and I am sure he was a great general. However, he doesn't represent today's society or norms.

Might as well get Andrew Jackson off the $20 bill while we are at it.

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Wow, the US must just be awash in racists! It's a wonder that a black man got elected... twice... running against whiter than white candidates...after beating a white woman for the party nomination....

...or perhaps the hysteria about racists is just a tad overblown? These idiots in their faux Nazi regalia should be laughed at, not taken seriously. They don't deserve the attention they are getting, both here and in the mass media.

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Might as well get Andrew Jackson off the $20 bill while we are at it.

That could happen. It would be very simple anyway. It's just a print job. Good idea

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It's a wonder that a black man got elected... twice... running against whiter than white candidates...

Yes, it was amazing.

The white candidates had some real problems.

....or perhaps the hysteria about racists is just a tad overblown?

Well, racist attacks are up, and there is a president who has given them a green light on several occasions and instigated violence.

These idiots in their faux Nazi regalia should be laughed at,

Yes, shine the light on these cockroaches. Post their pictures online. I want to know if someone is a neo-nazi, KKK or Alt-Right. They will not work for me. Maybe they can get a job with Trump though. He hires racists. The DOJ may have some openings for them.

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Zurconium, I think you need to take a step back and try to look at some facts. Trump was elected by more than 60 million voters. The KKK has a total membership of less than 5,000. They could all fit comfortably into a high school football stadium with room to spare. The idea that they could influence an election is ludicrous.

Not to mention, it would be a strange KKK member who would let his daughter marry a Jew, convert to Judaism, and allow his grandchildren to be raised Jewish.

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The major difference between BLM and the KKK are that blacks are fighting for equality; whereas white supremacists want to be treated as the supreme race. Big difference.

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It's funny watching FOX try and deflect and say it's not about racism... then be racist themselves in trying to defend Trump -- who is definitely a racist. He pushed for this kind of thing in the election campaign, saying he would even pay the legal fees of those caught. Will he still do it now?

Oh, and David Duke and other white supremacists have said that this is just the beginning, and demand that Trump fulfill his promises to give back the US to whites, and that they have his backing to do more.

Well done, Trump!

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Actually, BLM and KKK are similar in that they are both fighting for identity. The KKK has history, but no future, BLM has no history but will have impact in the future (unfortunately).

Blacks ALREADY have equality in the USA. Again, if you can point me to a racist institution and show me their racist activities, I'll gladly fight along side you to bring them down.

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It's funny watching FOX try and deflect and say it's not about racism

They didn't do that, but they also said, the Nazis came for a fight against the removal of a statue and the fascist Antifa radicals came for a fight. I already knew what was going to happen.

then be racist themselves in trying to defend Trump

How is being objective about Trump being racist?

who is definitely a racist. He pushed for this kind of thing in the election campaign, saying he would even pay the legal fees of those caught. Will he still do it now? 

Ok, so where's the racist component in that statement?

Oh, and David Duke and other white supremacists have said that this is just the beginning, and demand that Trump fulfill his promises to give back the US to whites, and that they have his backing to do more. 

David Duke the White Al Sharpton, never misses an opportunity to stay relevant. No same person would listen to a racist loon like Sharpton or Duke, they've been shunned for years and now Duke sees his chance to try and stay relevant.

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Blacklabel: it seems done and starting to tip in the other direction. If that is the case how long should whites be discriminated against to make it all even?

Can you give us some specific examples of racism you've personally faced as a white man in America?

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You are missing the point. It's not about me personally and I don't live in America.

I never said whites are subject to "racism". I said that other people being given extra opportunities due to their skin color has not made things equal. This has actually made things unequal in favor of the people who these policies were trying to help.

Examples would be hiring quotas under "diversity" programs where no more white can be hired because already too many. The previous fact that a white person has to score 100+ points higher in SAT than Hispanics or black people to go to Harvard.

That's not racism necessarily but it is wrong to have different standards based only on skin color. Call it whatever you want if it's not racism.

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so my question still remains. At what point in our future will the standards to be eligible for something not depend on skin color?

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Critics slammed Trump for waiting too long to address the bloodshed, and for initially denouncing hatred and violence "on many sides," rather than singling out the white supremacists widely seen as instigating the melee.

He still has not singled out the white supremacists, he simply included them among the criminals:

"Racism is evil, and those who cause violence in its name are criminals and thugs, including the KKK, neo-Nazis, white supremacists and other hate groups that are repugnant to everything we hold dear as Americans," the president said in a statement to reporters at the White House on Monday.

Anyway, I am still curious about how many who rallied against the statue removal are actually white supremacist or neo-Nazis (1%, 10%, 50%, 90%, 99% ?).

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Few people even seem to know that it was a free speech rally showing support against removing historical monuments and removing suddenly "racist" names from parks and schools.

You can be against the rewriting of history without being a racist. So i am sure many people were there for free speech about the issue not just to rally as a Nazi.

Btw the removal of the monuments was delayed 6 months as a result of people speaking out against it.

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Racism against whites?????!!!!

White Men Account for 72% of Corporate Leadership at 16 of the Fortune 500 Companies

(news quote)

White men complaining in the USA about not getting what they "deserve" are simply losers.

Did I just define the typical Trump voter?

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White Men Account for 72% of Corporate Leadership at 16 of the Fortune 500 Companies

Has nothing to do with Whites being subjected to reverse racism socially.

Did I just define the typical Trump voter?

63 million people voted for Trump, hard to believe every single person was racist, that means Michigan would have never voted for a Democrat or Wisconsin or Pennsylvania since they are all racists.

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blacklabel: You are missing the point. It's not about me personally and I don't live in America.

Have you ever spent any time in the US and personally witnessed any of the things you are claiming happens against whites?

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Of course I have, but an anecdotal account of my personal experience isn't necessary for it to be true. The two examples I gave can be verified independently from facts given by the many organizations that do this.

The existence of diversity officer positions at corporations and the release of racially based employment and admission data shows pride in diversity. it is common to see stats released to virtue signal about who had the more diversity in their workforce or on their campus.

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Three CEOs are walking away from President Trump. The chief executives of Merck, Under Armour and Intel all quit a presidential manufacturing council on Monday after Trump took two days to denounce white supremacy.

(news source)

More proof Trump is racist

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Soneone on tv said today that the Trump was a racist attack didn't work so then it became Russia collusion and now we are full circle back to the he and all around him are racists thing again. Dems are broke and no one cares about Russia anymore so time to raise money off racism again.

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Soneone on tv said today that the Trump was a racist attack didn't work so then it became Russia collusion and now we are full circle back to the he and all around him are racists thing again. Dems are broke and no one cares about Russia anymore so time to raise money off racism again.

Look, the Dems have nothing to offer, whatever they can to bring this president down they will, look it took Obama 4 days before he commented on the Ferguson riots and then he said, both sides are at fault and didn't take a position on the entire thing. So we all know the media has a very high double standard, they can't prove the man is a racist, so they want to demonized him at any chance they get.

Notice how fast they dropped North Korea like a hot potato! The media, the left and the ANTIFA have a lot to gain and remember: the police didn't intervene, who told them to stand down? The mayor, the governor? Both? Everything that happens, happens for a reason.

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bass4funk: "they can't prove the man is a racist"

Yes, they can, and have. And now Trump wants to pardon another fellow racist, Arpaio. The proof's in the pudding, my friend.

"Everything that happens, happens for a reason."

Yes, Trump is a racist who has not only encouraged the rise in intolerance that the US has seen exponential growth in since his campaign, but has said he is willing to pay legal fees.

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That would be a guy named Kyle Quinn. They even mention your site a couple of times. People called his employer to fire him, called him a racist and threatened his family after posting his home address online.

https://mobile.nytimes.com/2017/08/14/us/charlottesville-doxxing.html

do you disavow this?

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More proof Trump is racist: the white supremacists LOVE what Trump's reaction to Charlottesville, and when asked by a reporter if he wants the white supremacists support, Trump refused to answer the question.

Sorry, but if you aren't racist, you don't associate with or accept the support of racists. Trump not only does both, but appoints people like Bannon key positions.

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bass4funk: "Twitter and opinions don't count"

Unless it's Trump doing the tweeting, of course... well... until he makes an arse of himself again (daily), then you guys ask everyone not to focus on his tweets.

bass4funk: "I hate to break this to you, so I will try and do it as gently as possible, the KKK and Neo Nazi movement predates Trump believe it or not and have been here for a very long time"

Do you deny they have increased their activities since Trump took power? Because, "I hate to break it to you", but they have, and however much you try to conveniently ignore that fact doesn't change that it is fact. And not an alternative fact or fake news -- a FACT.

"All the people in Michigan (Michael Moore country) that voted for Trump are all racists??"

No one is saying that. But no doubt all racists voted for Trump.

"ROFL"

Always know you're squirming and can't accept the facts when you do this.

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*It's a problem and make it a police matter. No? I don't care. And the general public don't either.*

This is the reason why the left are selfish, unfit to be appointed to anything and the reason they can't get elected to anything.

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I hope it is obvious to all, yes I despise US neo nazis and white supremacists, but they are are a very very very small percentage of the total US population.

Mr. Nishikat would have you believe, along with the MSM, that they are a big problem. But Mr Nishikikat is like Sauron, the evil eye, who deceives all. For he does not care about people, he only cares for his cause, hence his constant posting of exposing racists. I wish Mr Nishikat you'd spend more time exposing the cause of our division, which is globalism and hegemony. Silly me. You love for us to keep on fighting each other. By the way, how's you're Lockheed stock doing?

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He hates Mexicans.

He said that? Verbatim? Got any proof? No, you don't. You can't find proof of any of these accusations. Just as I though.

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Trump and his followers hate Mexicans. Trump followers hate Mexicans so much that they are dreaming about the wall and believed Trump's lies about it. Trump followers believe anything the Trump said. When will the wall be built and when will Mexico pay for it? Also, Trump hates Muslims.

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Institutionalized discrimination exists in government and in most medium to large businesses in the form of affirmative action policies. These policies were well meaning and meant to compensate for substantial wrongs done to people in the past by doing lesser wrongs to unrelated people today. It's been that way for 50 years.

But blacks remain bitter over the government sanctioned discrimination against past generations and poor whites and educationally accomplished Asians are bitter over current race conscious discrimination. Congratulations America. You had a chance to get it right back in the 1960's by becoming a color blind society and you blew it. Trump was right to point out that there was wrongs committed on both sides in Charlottesville. The White supremacists showed up and should have been shunned. Instead they found willing sparring partners in the radical Left.

The idea that racism today ameliorates the racism of yesterday is horribly misguided, shortsighted, and self destructive. In 30 years when there is a majority minority and the retributive impulse of the Left takes hold in full where will that leave Americans? It is too terrible to contemplate. It didn't have to be this way.

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Trump just unbowed at a press conference about infrastructure.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QwIU7iUfhow

Wherein Trump defends the Charlottesville White Nationalists stronger than many actual white nationalists have.

There hasn't been a full reveal under pressure like this since Col. Jessup in a Few Good Men.

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