Johnson says 'strong possibility' of no trade deal with EU

Strange. Last year he said it was “a million-to-one against” such an outcome.

I wonder what changed. Too busy working on the passport colour?

Incredibly, going into the 5th Christmas after Brexit and still utterly clueless.

Reckless feckless Eton mess: when a jolly jape protest vote backfires.

Johnson says 'strong possibility' of no trade deal with EU

I'd say its a done deal by now. I can't see either side caving in and there appears to be a bit of bad blood between the 2 sides now

I hope and pray for a CANZUK FTA and open borders deal (even though I know that it is not viewed favourably with most of the posters here).

While there seems to be closer ties between some of them (UK and Canada recently signed a trade deal) it is still in need of more work. Canzuk will not offset the economic hardship of Brexit, but it could slightly cushion the fall. A strong canzuk alliance could also see the UK and EU strike up a deal similar to what Canada has and even bring OZ and NZ into it as well.

Again, Canzuk is not going to offset the Brexit difficulties ahead. But it could soften them up.

Whilst the external differentiation/dynamic alignment rules/clauses remain in the proposed FTA future relationship, political declaration……

It is crucial to fully understand why both the UK Government/European Union have reached the point of no return in negotiations

The UK-EU future relationship negotiations: Level playing field.

https://commonslibrary.parliament.uk/research-briefings/cbp-8852/

Also, the term external differentiation

https://euidea.eu/wp-content/uploads/2020/06/euidea_pb_1.pdf

Within the current EU negotiating framework, the commission through the ECJ would legislate into treaty a means to force the UK to comply with evolving EU regulatory standards, without any recourse to independent arbitration.

Failure to comply, would trigger unilateral punitive tariffs without any method to retaliate, and the EU commission would be under no obligation to follow or agree to any change in UK adopting a more flexible trading environment.    

More concerning would be that any present or future UK Government would have no input to EU future regulatory framework or subsequent ruling would entail.

No UK Government or country past, present or future would ever agree to such terms.

Time to prepare for basic WTO, change happens, deal with it.

Supply chain business models will have to reviewed and will require ambiguity in the risk scenarios.

Personal insults directed at Boris Johnson won’t achieve a successful outcome. It reflects a lack of intelligence, delinquency.

zichi:

Looks like the end of the road has been reached. Brits will need their passports with at least six months left to enter the EU but probably with the current Covid-19 travel restrictions they won't be able to even travel.

Does the entry ban also apply to Brits living in safer countries, like Australia, Japan, Taiwan, etc. Or is it a complete ban on all UK passport holders?

Brexit was always a busted flush to anybody who right from the start could suss the wheeze of the hapless pair of Bullingdon boys, the fop, David Cameron and his boorish chum, A.B. de Pfeffel Johnson who together have made another fine mess for the UK and the EU to clean up. The writing is on the wall when the German President of the EU Commission is insisting on a "fair deal for workers", a perhaps bewildering concept for many to grasp, but as most people in the UK ought to know, "workers' rights" are a totally alien trope to Tories of the Old Etonian ilk who simply want to "take back control".

I will let Zichi, explain…

However, Jan 2021, after receiving a COVID-19 vaccination, I will be traveling to the UK via France I have a Japanese passport.

Had I still been a British Passport holder I would have issues.

Brexit: Covid rules set to ban UK visitors from France

https://www.connexionfrance.com/French-news/Brexit/Brexit-Covid-rules-set-to-ban-UK-visitors-from-France

Check via your Consular

Personal insults directed at Boris Johnson won’t achieve a successful outcome. It reflects a lack of intelligence, delinquency.

Newsflash. Boris Johnson can’t achieve a successful outcome and criticizing stupid politicians is a British tradition far older than you, I or anyone alive.

Then call Boris Johnson out for his stupidity, rude insults achieve nothing.

Then call Boris Johnson out for his stupidity, rude insults achieve nothing.

What rude insults?

Stupidity is a trait that shouldn’t be tolerated in someone which such power.

Though arguably Bojo portrays himself as a doddering imbecile to camouflage his intelligence. It’s those who believe him that are stupid.

Then call Boris Johnson out for his stupidity, rude insults achieve nothing.

Calling someone stupid is generally regarded as an insult. However, sometimes it’s warranted.

I see him as lazy, incompetent and interested more in being PM for its own sake rather than being stupid.

Either way, not fit to lead the country, particularly at a time of crisis.

Well, it depends how one defines imbecile and whether or not Johnson believes he is inflicted with such malady, in an attempt to feign or conceal intelligence.

n essence a condition associated with severe mental retardation, akin to mental age of say three to seven years.

Incapable of any noticeable degree of communication and unable to performance even the simplest of tasks without close supervision. Imbecile or Imbecilic

Mental deficiency: idiot, imbecile, and moron.

https://eugenicsarchive.ca/discover/tree/53480acd132156674b0002c3

Is that what you are suggesting Bob?

Bet you believe that, let be honest Johnson is not on the top of your Christmas card list.

I believe, and on many occasions maintained, Johnson to be dishonest, duplicitous.

Johnson is incompetent, but do I contend his is hiding behind or playacting the doddering imbecile.

Nope. Which after all would be insulting, yes, no?

I have to rephrase and keep on topic, I am Japanese resident, I was just questioning your use of tone, language.

I do not believe in this instance, Boris Johnson is to blame.

No British Prime Minster can negotiate an agreement under these circumstances.

I do not believe in this instance, Boris Johnson is to blame. 

No British Prime Minster can negotiate an agreement under these circumstances.

I have an ‘oven ready’ response. I’ll give it a year from now.

Humm that quote here....

We’ve got the deal. It’s oven ready. Vote Conservative tomorrow to get Brexit done

https://www.facebook.com/borisjohnson/videos/weve-got-the-deal-its-oven-ready-vote-conservative-tomorrow-to-get-brexit-done-/845444842570629/

Of course that quip, in the midst of an election campaign was always going to come back an haunt Johnson.

I never will contend that Johnson is the sharpest, or smart when thrust front of the media, there is more worrying tactics and strategy errors yet to emerge over the NI protocol.

Tariffs will be applied under the WTO rules. Chaos immediately ahead.

This is really a fear mongering statement. The U.K. will just make better trade deals with all involved, competition will increase, better goods and services will be provided. Securing new trade deals with willing countries takes time. The U.K will prevail.

Tariffs will be applied under the WTO rules. Chaos immediately ahead.

This is really a fear mongering statement.

Apart from the truly deranged brexiteers ( a minority ), everyone agreed that there would be a short term hit to the UK economy and confusion if we leave with no deal.

As for the medium to long term, there is no guarantee of better deals even if you have a competent government, and given this government is the most talentless in living memory, this isn’t cause for optimism.

Mr Johnson will preside over the economical destruction of the UK and its ultimate reduction into England and Wales.

So , he will get the mention in the history books he so craves but not in the sense he envisions it

Mr Johnson will preside over the economical destruction of the UK and its ultimate reduction into England and Wales.

So , he will get the mention in the history books he so craves but not in the sense he envisions it

Yes, exactly.

This is really a fear mongering statement. The U.K. will just make better trade deals with all involved, competition will increase, better goods and services will be provided. Securing new trade deals with willing countries takes time. The U.K will prevail

My dear deceased mother was fond of saying "wish in one hand, deficate (she used an earthier term) in the other and see which one fills up the fastest". With wishful thinking like that I think you need to wear gloves for an extended period of time. Just saying ....................

there is more worrying tactics and strategy (sic) errors yet to emerge over the NI protocol.

Karma, in what is (Europe's) last outworking of the Nine Years War (Williamite War in N. America).

Irish nationalists, those mostly (but not exclusively) Catholics in NI who prefer reunification with the south, were by and large happy with the status quo as part of the UK under the Good Friday Agreement. The border - a bone of contention since Partition in 1921 - was finally invisible, like others in the EU. There was peace after decades of bloodshed, and power sharing with pro-British unionists.

The Union with Britain was safe for the interim, partly thanks to a huge public sector - that costs Great Britain £10Bn a year - employing many who, if employed in the private sector, might be minded to seek reunification.

Unfortunately that wasn't enough for the reactionary Democratic Unionist Party of the late Ian Paisley, a party with fundamental anti-Catholicism at the core of its DNA. Its followers are best described as more British than the British themselves in terms of explicit displays of loyalty to the Crown if not their social attitudes.

Brexit was a wet dream for the DUP, a chance to out-Brit anyone else, and maybe even get back that border, an important delineation (for them) between what they saw as alien, and God's own country to the northeast.

The USA and the EU were guarantors of the Good Friday Agreement. As Johnson couldn't get a US trade deal with a land border in Ireland, we now have a customs border between Great Britain and the island of Ireland, making the North all that more Irish, amplifying and accelerating the century-old momentum for Irish Unity.

Part of me wants to thank the DUP for it, but more than that I curse them for polarising society, and visiting trauma on my Unionist friends and family by forcing their hands a decade or so prematurely.

The U.K. will just make better trade deals with all involved, competition will increase, better goods and services will be provided. Securing new trade deals with willing countries takes time. The U.K will prevail.

How will one isolated state make such gargantuan bounds?

They really have shot themselves in the foot. I mean, just imagine if they had a massive trading partner on their own doorstep where they could benefit from such a huge market? Oh, wait...

we now have a customs border between Great Britain and the island of Ireland, making the North all that more Irish, amplifying and accelerating the century-old momentum for Irish Unity.

Aye. It's not an "if" anymore, but a "when".

Whenever it does occur, it should be peaceful and inclusive and bring in the Unionist community from the cold. Despite the awful sectarianism (that still exists), there is hope that the good work that was carried out within the framework of the GFA may continue.

there is hope that the good work that was carried out within the framework of the GFA may continue.

Unfortunately Brexit has driven a coach and horses through the trust that had been slowly built.

Boris Johnson will lead the Conservative Party and Government as long as his party deem Boris Johnson fit to so.

It is simple as that.

It is astonishing how the media seem to ascertain or imply to the contrary, or the role Boris Johnson Government has contributed to any outcome or even the negotiating mandate.

The Exit policy, steered by the now defunct/closed Department for Exiting the European Union….

https://www.gov.uk/government/organisations/department-for-exiting-the-european-union

There is a legion of advisors, and vested interests indirectly and directly involved in how the UK will fundamentally change its whole business model, trade, regulatory framework. monetarily, fiscally.

Do you believe that, the global trading community will stand still an not play catch up?

Mickelicious, I believe it would be helpful if you read this….

Oral statement to Parliament, Withdrawal Agreement Update….

https://www.gov.uk/government/speeches/withdrawal-agreement-update

At least give this the once over and spot the differences.

The belief that that USA and the EU were guarantors of the Good Friday Agreement, is misplaced and politically fanciful.

The Belfast Agreement (GFA) Treaty although conducted on basis of multi-party negotiations, however in reality the responsibly lies with the UK and Irish Governments.

https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/the-belfast-agreement

The EU Parliament produced a policy study UK withdrawal and Good Friday Agreement.

https://www.europarl.europa.eu/RegData/etudes/STUD/2017/596826/IPOL_STU%282017%29596826_EN.pdf

As for this belief that a UK or in fact any EU trade deal with materialize between the US government is nonsense.

At no time over the past fifteen years has any EU/UK/US trade deal, ever been close to being committed to form of legal text. What do believe the reasons for this to be?

Mickelicious, I believe it would be helpful if you read this….

My best advice ever got was in my 20s from a wizened old New Yorker: "Don't take any wooden nickels, kid!"

I won't waste my time reading Michael Gove, as I wouldn't trust him as far as I could throw him.

His and Johnson's demeanour on the morning after the referendum results echoed Zero Mostel and Mel Brooks (whose tax dodge cum supposed Broadway flop - in the movie The Producers - turned out a roaring success) so much it was uncanny. And then he stabbed Johnson in the back.

Growing up in Belfast, we lived and breathed politics. I was based in London at the time of the Good Friday Agreement, so was fully exposed to it in the media, and read both the Guardian and the Telegraph - excellent reads at the time - for balance. I even had the good fortune of discussing the GFA briefly with Mo Mowlam before she went into the hospice.

The 7 billion of us on this planet will have at least 7 billion different ways of seeing the same thing, and I know but a tiny speck in the scheme of themes.

UK Govt. have form in pulling the wool over Unionists' eyes, and they - like abused spouses - have form in falling for it. I've had enough of both behaviours, thanks.