Weinstein gets 23 years in prison; expresses sympathy for men in #MeToo era

Good. Put him in gen pop and let the other animals mete out some justice. Let him understand exactly what it feels like to be raped.

Aside from that, I love his new broken down old man look. It’s amazing how the rich and powerful always go into court in wheelchairs or with walkers to pull at the heartstrings of the jury.

Hmm. I'm still not convinced 100%. I mean, I'm sure he's a scumbag. But I'm equally sure many of his accusers knew full well what they were doing and why it was worth their while to do it.

Hmm. I'm still not convinced 100%. I mean, I'm sure he's a scumbag. But I'm equally sure many of his accusers knew full well what they were doing and why it was worth their while to do it.

The doesn’t exclude the evidence the jury heard and considered. Weinstein was rich enough to afford some of the best lawyers available to challenge that evidence in an open, adversarial proceeding and the justice still convicted him.

Weinstein wasn’t in the same situation in which people with public defenders are put, which is to say he had competent counsel dedicated to his case.

I wonder if 45 will pardon him after the election?

Just waiting that "someone" will pardon him or shorten his sentence.

Guess people know who that "someone" could be.

If you mean Trump, he cannot be pardoned by Trump since the offense was at the state level. Trump can only pardon criminals at the federal level.

Weinstein said he was worried about the "thousands of men who are losing due process"

Being tried in court with a judge and jury IS due process. In fact, as a man of considerable wealth, he could afford a large legal team for his defence. This statement, particularly in regard to himself, reeks of privilege and entitlement.

I hope his conviction serves as a warning and deterrent to other people who use their position, power, or economic status to abuse others.

Being tried in court with a judge and jury IS due process. In fact, as a man of considerable wealth, he could afford a large legal team for his defence. This statement, particularly in regard to himself, reeks of privilege and entitlement. 

I hope his conviction serves as a warning and deterrent to other people who use their position, power, or economic status to abuse others.

Spot on. I guarantee his legal team ensured he enjoyed full due process.

No BusinessToday  08:21 am JST

Hmm. I'm still not convinced 100%. I mean, I'm sure he's a scumbag. But I'm equally sure many of his accusers knew full well what they were doing and why it was worth their while to do it.

If these women had engaged in sexual relationships in exchange for parts in movies, then reporting him would be the last thing they’d do, because in reporting him they would lose what they had supposedly wanted enough to prostitute themselves for.

In other words, reporting him caused them to lose anything they may have gained - so why would they report him if it wasn’t even true?

Weinstein's lawyer Donna Rotunno afterward denouncing the prison term as "obscene" and "cowardly" 

You know what's more obscene? Sexually assaulting more than 100 women. You know what's more cowardly?

Not owning up to your actions and failing to take full responsibility.

Weinstein deserves everything that he gets and more.

The scumbag bought a harsh sentence, but he'll also be able to buy himself a reduced sentence using his big bucks to burrow his way out of his oubliette. Like everything else, American "justice" is always for sale if the price is right and you can afford it.

If these women had engaged in sexual relationships in exchange for parts in movies, then reporting him would be the last thing they’d do, because in reporting him they would lose what they had supposedly wanted enough to prostitute themselves for.

Not all that familiar with these cases, but almost none of the women reported him until years later, when it would have no effect on their career. The other point is that most women who sleep with producers get nothing for it anyway - it's just a line these guys use instead of going through the motions of seduction. A famous Sunset Strip club owner had a massive collection of video tapes that included many girls who later became famous. I know this because my own gf at the time was on one of them, and she saw many of the others.

The whole business is filled top to bottom with sleaze, and it always will be anywhere fame and wealth can be offered. It also explains why so many celebrities can be so bitter, depending on what they did to get to the top.

Best news of the year so far and could not happen to a more loathsome and despicable person and at the very least he will have to serve 5 years minimum of the 23 year sentence. Don’t think he’ll be coming out anytime soon. At least he’ll have time to think and reflect on all the damage he’s done and all the lives he’s destroyed.

Commanteer: Spot on.

I know this because my own gf at the time was on one of them, and she saw many of the others.

You dated a stripper? How’d that treat you?

You dated a stripper? How’d that treat you?

She was a marginal TV personality and writer with an extremely high IQ - which doesn't prevent people from making stupid mistakes. Strippers are more savvy that that, usually. That's the point. It's easier to manipulate up and coming starlets who haven't dealt with that side of men. She saw others using sex to get ahead, and thought she was being savvy, when she was just being used.

There's a wonderful power in the OJ, and Weinstein wants some of that, too. With Weinstein's wealth and connections, who can doubt that he won't rot in jail?

Chip

Justice is the sentence not him being raped (or whatever you are saying) in jail.  Not sure why we think prison brutality is such a great thing.

She was a marginal TV personality and writer with an extremely high IQ - which doesn't prevent people from making stupid mistakes.

No doubt.

Strippers are more savvy that that, usually.

I reckon that depends on the stripper.

That's the point. It's easier to manipulate up and coming starlets who haven't dealt with that side of men. She saw others using sex to get ahead, and thought she was being savvy, when she was just being used.

Fair enough. Appreciate the reply.

Chip

Justice is the sentence not him being raped (or whatever you are saying) in jail. 

Agreed. I should have been clearer: Let the animals mete out some purely retributive prison “justice.”

Not sure why we think prison brutality is such a great thing.

I think it’s appalling, but I recognize it exists. It doesn’t make me happy feeling this way, but I do not tolerate predators lightly - less so when they prey on those weaker or less powerful.

He got off easy so forget his bs about feeling sorry for men. The #MeToo movement had nothing to do with him being a sexual predator for so many years and he still has charges pending. The mighty fall hardest. Enjoy prison, scum.

commanteerToday 

Not all that familiar with these cases, but almost none of the women reported him until years later, when it would have no effect on their career. The other point is that most women who sleep with producers get nothing for it anyway - it's just a line these guys use instead of going through the motions of seduction. A famous Sunset Strip club owner had a massive collection of video tapes that included many girls who later became famous. I know this because my own gf at the time was on one of them, and she saw many of the others.

The only way it wouldn’t hurt their career is if they had quit the entertainment business entirely. Many actresses have said that complaining about a famous director, producer, or co-star in any way is a direct ticket to being blacklisted. That’s also why they keep quiet for years.

The whole business is filled top to bottom with sleaze, and it always will be anywhere fame and wealth can be offered. It also explains why so many celebrities can be so bitter, depending on what they did to get to the top.

Better put, “what they went through”, since it’s not entirely in their control nor is it much of a choice.

And how many careers never got off the ground or were completely scuttled by refusing to comply?

About dang time someone gets significant jail time for ruining women's lives.

Now, make sure to have a very active suicide watch.

And start the criminal investigation of the accessories to his crimes. Weinstein used a network of aides and flunkies to keep the flow of victims going. Many of them may have acted out of fear of their tyrannical boss. All the more reason to show others in that position that their greater fear should be of the criminal justice system.

 It also explains why so many celebrities can be so bitter, depending on what they did to get to the top.

"Better put, “what they went through”, since it’s not entirely in their control nor is it much of a choice."

Most of the time, they have plenty of choice. I don't think there is a single attractive young actor (male or female) that hasn't been in similar situations. Some are assertive enough and grounded enough to stand their ground, but that's tough when one is young and being used by someone older and manipulative who holds the keys to their dreams. But that's still no reason to infantilize them and say they had no choice - unless they really didn't of course.

But that's still no reason to infantilize them and say they had no choice - unless they really didn't of course.

We need to be clear about what "infantilize" really means, and separate that from powerlessness.

It is not infantilizing a person to say there was no real choice involved. When someone far more powerful who has influence over your livelihood, reputation, career, and lifelong dream threatens to use that influence to ruin everything you've worked for, that is not a real choice. It's coercion via very real threats.

Infantilization carries the insinuation that the person is helpless due to immaturity, and therefore incompetent at self-care. It's use here is inappropriate, since no one being sexually harassed chooses to stay silent - they are forced to stay silent by threats outside of their control and not within their power to fight.

It is not reasonable to argue that a person is infantilizing themselves by not standing up to the person abusing them. In fact, such an argument would be cold-blooded and utterly lacking any human compassion.