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Mueller says probe did not clear Trump as Congress weighs impeachment

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The fact that the dems are debating is another sign they're holding the nation hostage for their political ends. If there is clear evidence that proves wrongdoing by Trump beyond a reasonable doubt, then the dems have an obligation to impeach. But they won't because they know it would be political suicide. Nevertheless, they are bound by duty to impeach if there is proof beyond a reasonable doubt.

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Hopefully, Democrats will continue the Mueller histrionics until Election Day 2020. MAGA!

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The fact that the dems are debating is another sign they're holding the nation hostage for their political ends. If there is clear evidence that proves wrongdoing by Trump beyond a reasonable doubt, then the dems have an obligation to impeach. But they won't because they know it would be political suicide. Nevertheless, they are bound by duty to impeach if there is proof beyond a reasonable doubt.

Republicans remaining silent is absolute proof they are holding the nation hostage for political gains.

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Regardless of whether the Dems impeach or not, this testimony alone should be enough to ensure Trump can't even run for 2020, let alone win. I think he's going to but that just shows my skepticism of the American political system.

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This sounds to me like a mandate from Mueller for impeachment. But the man, being a pro, didn't state those words. It's up to the people to come to that realization, not to Mueller to spoon feed it to them. Now the real question comes, do the people bow to corruption, or fight it.

Mueller said Justice Department policy prevented him from bringing charges against a sitting president or filing sealed charges

This one surprised me. I had suspected (hoped) that Mueller had filed sealed indictments against the president, but he's clearly stated now that he has not.

I do wonder though, did he file sealed indictments against other people, so that Trump cannot pardon them if they get found guilty?

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Regardless of whether the Dems impeach or not, this testimony alone should be enough to ensure Trump can't even run for 2020, let alone win. I think he's going to but that just shows my skepticism of the American political system.

I don't think so. This whole fiasco--which stems from the dems still stuck in "I can't believe Hillary didn't win"--is leaving a bad taste in peoples mouths. That's why I said it before like I'll say it again: The Trump presidency has pulled up the dems' skirts. They've been exposed. Go ahead and impeach--I am still not going to vote for democratic slavery. Trump has a 2 term limit anyway--barring impeachment. Unlike the dems who are still stuck in 2016, people are thinking about a future free of identity politics and trivial sjw issues. If Trump is impeached it still doesn't negate the the explosion of the economy, the restructuring of unfair trade deals, the stemming the flow of illegals--things that concern working Americans. For me personally, the Trump presidency was a success--it's my Harriet Tubman, and I am no far away from the democratic plantation.

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so

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“As alleged by the grand jury in an indictment, Russian intelligence officers who were part of the Russian military launched a concerted attack on our political system,” Mueller said.

https://www.vox.com/2019/5/29/18644192/robert-mueller-statement-trump-russia-impeachment

Only extremist, anti-American GoTrumpers (US and 'foreign') can find this acceptable.

That the first two posters to this thread were the first to post says a lot about how prepared the various pro-Trump forces were to attack those who oppose Trump and his regime. The Internet Research Agency/Bannon-Breitbart/Qanon employees must have been put on full alert.

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“No Collusion, No Obstruction, Complete and Total EXONERATION.” was the tweet right?

Sad...

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Trumps mouth-piece made a comment saying to the effect that since there was not enough "evidence" to bring charges it makes Trump innocent.

Just how ignorant does she think people are?

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Trumpets: I'm curious, after hearing Mueller's comments, do you feel Trump's assessment of the report as a complete and utter exoneration was an accurate characterization of the report?

Let's see how many of you will be willing to answer that question.

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For me personally, the Trump presidency was a success

Interesting that you've chosen to phrase that in the past tense.

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Don't let grammar lead by the nose stranger.

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@mrnoidal So the Russians had a hand 

From what numerous investigations are showing it's clear - to me - the Russians along with other far-right, ultra-nationalist organizations like Bannon-Breitbart and Qanon, using anti-American organizations like the NRA, KKK, etc. have a hand in undermining US systems. And those in democracies in 'western' Europe.

As someone opposed to totalitarian forms of government, it worries me they're having such an easy time doing so.

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Shorter Mueller: "Can't any of you idiots read? Of course it was an impeachment referral!"

This is happening at the DOJ, not Congress. Already, that is a bad sign.

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Trumpets: I'm curious, after hearing Mueller's comments, do you feel Trump's assessment of the report as a complete and utter exoneration was an accurate characterization of the report?

Let's see how many of you will be willing to answer that question.

I never argued Trumps assessment was right or not. I ahve always argued that if the dems had something they would move on it. 60 days after the report, they haven't made a move. Let's see if they will after Muellers statement. What you will notice, however, is that conservatives won't drag Muller's name through the mud because he gave us bad news, unlike how you guys treated Barr.

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Exoneration. It’s a binary decision.

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 as Congress weighs impeachment

Of course they will. They have to. The need to keep hate churning for the next few weeks because they all know that when DOJ Inspector General Michael Horowitz releases his report on the FBI’s handling of the investigation into Trump in a few weeks, there is going to be such a widespread backlash against the intelligence community for their illegal spying and actions against the Trump campaign. They’re going to need every one of their hate filled hysterical posters to feed the web with their lies and counter talking points.

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This whole fiasco--which stems from the dems still stuck in "I can't believe Hillary didn't win"

Nope. This stems from Donny's mouth and his people lying about their contacts with Russians.

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Trumpets: I'm curious, after hearing Mueller's comments, do you feel Trump's assessment of the report as a complete and utter exoneration was an accurate characterization of the report?

Mueller? Mueller?

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“As alleged by the grand jury in an indictment, Russian intelligence officers who were part of the Russian military launched a concerted attack on our political system,” Mueller said.

Or as Trump says it "I don't see why Putin would do that".

Trumpets: Amid these revelations, do you think that it's appropriate that Trump has not been willing to address this issue with Putin.

Let's see how many of you are willing to answer that.

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Exoneration. It’s a binary decision.

Only if you don't understand the meaning of exoneration.

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I hope Pelosi continues to resist impeachment. It's a futile distraction given that the GOP wouldn't go along if Trump lynched people on the White House lawn. We have a year and a half to defeat Trump at the ballot box. Democrats will vote for whoever the nominee is. Independents and some alienated GOP voters would view that nominee as a far more favorable alternative if they hear about all the other issues of concern to them. 18 months of Russiagate and impeachment proceedings would drown everything else out.

The media would fixate exclusively on all out partisan war. It's not like Bezo's-owned newspapers or millionaire infotainment hosts like Wolf Blitzer are all that animated by income inequality to begin with. Voters would also be increasingly disgusted by time we get to 11/20. Down-ballot Dems would be less likely to generate much enthusiasm and any burgeoning grassroots movement would fall by the way as corporate Dems embrace the notion that except for Trump, America is fundamentally sound, that all our problems began in January of 2019. Or as Biden says, other than Trump, most republicans in Congress are decent, wanting what's best for the country. Their going along with every single Trump idea belies that.

It pains me that Warren or AOC are pushing for this. It won't end well.

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What you will notice, however, is that conservatives won't drag Muller's name through the mud because he gave us bad news, unlike how you guys treated Barr.

Where have you been for the last two and a half years? All you guys have done is drag Mueller's name through the mud. Yikes.

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Congress is at an impass: the Executive branch is stonewalling their requests for information under the reasoning that it serves no legislative purpose. Trump is practically begging for impeachment - that would make him a martyr. But there's another course: Congressional censure. This would give Congress subpoena powers, bypass the Senate, expose Trump's duplicity, and leave him out to dry.

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Only if you don't understand the meaning of exoneration.

Actually, I'd agree it is binary - you are either exonerated or not. But what Black has not addressed is why we should take his assessment of exoneration, when the guy who wrote the report has just explicitly stated it was not an exoneration.

Hmm, who has more credibility - guy on the internet telling us what the guy who wrote the report meant, or the guy who wrote the report, telling us what he meant. Hmm, which one makes more sense? Mueller? Mueller?

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Actually, I'd agree it is binary - you are either exonerated or not. But what Black has not addressed is why we should take his assessment of exoneration, when the guy who wrote the report has just explicitly stated it was not an exoneration.

I agree that exoneration is binary. My point, communicated badly, was that it wasn't exoneration.

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I hope Pelosi continues to resist impeachment. It's a futile distraction given that the GOP wouldn't go along if Trump lynched people on the White House lawn.

You make a good point.

Maybe better to just make a clear statement - "We would impeach, and we officially state we believe the president has committed a crime, but as the Republican senate has decided that preserving their power by protecting the president is more important than justice for Americans, we unfortunately must accept the reality that any attempt to impeach will fail, and therefore we will instead move forward doing our best to lead this nation until the next election, at which point the people will be able to voice their opinion on the Republican's decision to choose power over the people."

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The fact that the dems are debating is another sign they're holding the nation hostage for their political ends. If there is clear evidence that proves wrongdoing by Trump beyond a reasonable doubt, then the dems have an obligation to impeach. But they won't because they know it would be political suicide. Nevertheless, they are bound by duty to impeach if there is proof beyond a reasonable doubt.

Ok, so basically Mueller restated was was already in his report and how he and Barr disagreed what constitutes as obstruction and that he couldn’t prove either way, so far check. He can’t indicted a sitting President which is not his job anyway. He’s not Comedy, In other words he couldn’t establish a crime, so either there was a crime or there wasn’t, if you can’t make a case with the resources that Mueller had at his disposal means he couldn’t find ANY crimes, with Russia, nothing, on obstruction, there was nothing he could show in the two years which could show a clear crime or what would be considered high crimes and misdemeanors, so if Nadler really wants to destroy the Democrats chances at getting the WH, please go ahead. He couldn’t recommend it, he didn’t recommend which he could have done, nothing to stop him. The Republicans won’t remove him on a hunch, so let’s see if they want to bury once again their chances for 2020.

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Ok Democrats, either bring charges or move on. I'm sick of the exact same arguments by both sides repeated over and over like a broken record for months. The comments here are the exact same things you all write every time Mueller is mentioned.

Impeach him or get over it. If anything is more embarassing than Trump, it's the rest of our government wasting our time in this endless circus of investigations with zero results.

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@bas4  with Russia, nothing

What? Once again siding with Putin. ROFL

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In other words he couldn’t establish a crime, so either there was a crime or there wasn’t, if you can’t make a case with the resources that Mueller had at his disposal means he couldn’t find ANY crimes

Sigh. Apparently you didn't understand the words coming out of Mueller's mouth, where he was clear that the reason he didn't find a crime was because he did not have the authority to find a crime, not because the crime didn't exist.

So should we take your word, telling us what Mueller meant, over Mueller's word, who has clearly stated that what he meant was not what you said?

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Mueller did his job and gives hints as to what should be done (since he was not allowed or couldn't do it).

Go after the so-called POTUS (i.e. Trump) and begin a new era without lies, blaming, collusion etc.

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Stranger, yes, which is sort of what Pelosi has said thus far but given increasing pressure I wonder if she's willing to stick to that.

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Mueller is quite clearly saying that his probe did not exonerate Trump, despite Trumpers claiming that it did. He's also saying, not quite so clearly, that there may be scope for an impeachment process there if the Dems want it.

Question is, would that impeachment process be worth it? What Mueller says or what the Dems make of it now doesn't look like it will have any more than a negligible impact on Trump's popularity. Looks like US voters have dug into their trenches, and they ain't moving.

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Stranger, yes, which is sort of what Pelosi has said thus far but given increasing pressure I wonder if she's willing to stick to that.

Well, another option could be to do it quick and dirty. Spend a few days pushing through an indictment to peach in the house, send it to the senate, then say "ok, it's in their court. We know they aren't going to do anything with it, so lets move on", and let the Republicans have to explicitly either refuse to vote, or to vote it down.

Maybe not as good a strategy, but their hand may be somewhat forced by Mueller's statement at this point.

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Im glad the US still has men like Mueller. We need more like him instead of Trump, the known liar and proven scammer.

The question is whether Trump and the GOP can keep a large enough coalition of the uneducated, the racists, and the corrupt to safely vote against impeachment. Make them stand next to their sewer rat president and say their names.

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Im glad the US still has men like Mueller. We need more like him instead of Trump, the known liar and proven scammer.

I agree. I may not agree with his political views, but the man himself is solid, and to have maintained the extreme level of professionalism, in as extremely high profile a case as this one, from start to finish, is impressive. Few people on this planet could do what he did.

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Mueller didn’t say he found crime. He said he wasn’t allowed to indict a sitting president if he had.

He said can’t say Trump didn’t commit a crime. Which is not the purpose of this, he needs is to prove someone did. Not that you can’t say they didn’t. That’s cowardly way out of making a binary decision.

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Also I noticed none of these sealed indictments you all hoped for and no claims that Barr “misrepresented” his report. Also he doesn’t want to testify under oath, not that someone is preventing him.

So all good on the false Barr attacks now?

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What? Once again siding with Putin. ROFL

No, I’m trying to give liberals the intervention they so desperately need.

Mueller is quite clearly saying that his probe did not exonerate Trump, despite Trumpers claiming that it did.

Well, it theoretically does because Mueller couldn’t or wouldn’t recommend any charges, if he felt strongly there was enough evidence to do so and there clearly wasn’t.

He's also saying, not quite so clearly, that there may be scope for an impeachment process there if the Dems want it.

At their own peril as well. The majority of Republicans and Independents don’t want to go down that road.

https://thehill.com/homenews/house/442256-democrats-losing-independents-on-trump-impeachment

Democrats are now stepping on hot coals with this politically. Mueller basically just reiterated what was already in the report, nothing new.

Question is, would that impeachment process be worth it? What Mueller says or what the Dems make of it now doesn't look like it will have any more than a negligible impact on Trump's popularity. Looks like US voters have dug into their trenches, and they ain't moving.

I agree.

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The democrats need to concentrate on beating Trump at the ballot box.

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Ok, so basically Mueller restated was was already in his report and how he and Barr disagreed what constitutes as obstruction and that he couldn’t prove either way, so far check

Utterly incorrect.

Mueller didn’t say he found crime. He said he wasn’t allowed to indict a sitting president if he had.

Utterly incorrect.

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If Mueller could prove guilt he would have a sealed indictment waiting for when Trump supposedly loses 2020 election. He doesn’t have one.

So under this “can’t say someone didn’t commit a crime”, what is the liberal verdict on Hillary? Exonerated? Not guilty? Kinda innocent? Still under investigation?

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No, I just watched it again now. His exact words were, "it's unconstitutional to indict a sitting president of a federal crime."

He's saying that even if there was a crime, there was never going to be any charges anyway because it's not his province to bring a president up on charges.

The dems are zealously inferring that Mueller is suggesting that the dems do what he is legally unable to do.

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” we found that a crime of obstruction was committed but are unable to indict a sitting president”.

Funny he didn’t make that simple statement. Why not?

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He said it’s unfair to accuse someone of a crime who can’t defend themselves in court because they can’t be indicted.

so it’s much fairer to not accuse someone of a crime just imply that you can’t decide but that they may have? Lame.

Done with this. Wake me up when Comey gets indicted.

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@Chip

It’s very correct. I know you hate the President and want him flogged and dragged through the streets while people are throwing lettuce and vile marching him to the gallows, but hate the be the burden of bad news, the Dems don’t have a cup to urinate in. The only people that will be happy with Democrats going for impeachment is their base, outside of that, No one wants it. Personally, I hope they go for it. Even Nancy agrees with me on this, she is not that dumb and she knows what Trump is trying to do. She needs to walk a very fine line with her base, her moderates and her own neck as the ringmaster. If they want to step on that land mine, go ahead, doesn’t hurt the President, the Dems want and need things like infrastructure and the debt ceiling raised and they are settling themselves up for the 2nd biggest letdown in political history. They continue to go this route and they’re not going to win anything.

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One thing I liked about Obama was that I never had to humiliate myself or the country to defend the things he did.

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Republicans remaining silent is absolute proof they are holding the nation hostage for political gains.

Utterly incorrect.

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One thing I liked about Obama was that I never had to humiliate myself or the country to defend the things he did.

He had Holder and Rice to do it for him.

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If Mueller could prove guilt he would have a sealed indictment waiting for when Trump supposedly loses 2020 election.

Well someone just showed that they are commenting without having actually seen/read Mueller's statement where he directly addresses the above point, showing the above point to be entirely ignorant of Mueller's comments.

So are we supposed to take the rest of your comments seriously when you haven't even bothered to read Mueller's comments? Seems like you already decided what you are going to say, regardless of what he said.

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He said can’t say Trump didn’t commit a crime.

Sure he could. He said that there was not evidence to show that Criminal Conspiracy occurred.

You haven't read the report, and you haven't listened to Mueller's comments, yet you still keep talking as if you did.

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The dems are zealously inferring that Mueller is suggesting that the dems do what he is legally unable to do.

Because that's what Mueller said in the report - it was a responsibility to be left to Congress. And half of Congress has decided that power is more important than the people.

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So Mueller doesn't have enough evidence to prove Trump is guilty but he can't say that because he would look bad for wasting 2 years. Man, this is just ridiculous.

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He said it’s unfair to accuse someone of a crime who can’t defend themselves in court because they can’t be indicted.

No, he didn't say anything was unfair. Once again you are showing you haven't actually read his statements.

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One thing I liked about Obama was that I never had to humiliate myself or the country to defend the things he did.

Right. It's nice being able to have justified pride.

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Well someone just showed that they are commenting without having actually seen/read Mueller's statement where he directly addresses the above point, showing the above point to be entirely ignorant of Mueller's comments.

No, Mueller just admitted two things, there MIGHT have been a possibly crime and he knew he couldn’t indict a sitting President. What? So in other words, this was a complete waste.

So are we supposed to take the rest of your comments seriously when you haven't even bothered to read Mueller's comments? Seems like you already decided what you are going to say, regardless of what he said.

You do not have to take the rest of my comment seriously, it doesn’t matter, what matters is the case is closed and what the facts are Democrats are really a slick oily wall and if they want to peruse this and I really Hope they do, just hand them their nooses. Nadler, please do your worst! I support you and I’ll hand you a gold plated shovel. 1998 all over again. ROFL!

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So Mueller doesn't have enough evidence to prove Trump is guilty but he can't say that because he would look bad for wasting 2 years. Man, this is just ridiculous.

Thank you very much. Lol

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Mueller stated the investigation couldn't prove Trump didn't commit a crime so the stain on the president will remain. The report does not clear Trump and contradicts what Trump prefers to tweet. Trump has lowered his own bar stating there wasn't sufficient evidence so he's not guilty.

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Mueller stated the investigation couldn't prove Trump didn't commit a crime so the stain on the president will remain.

It didn’t prove he did either.

The report does not clear Trump and contradicts what Trump prefers to tweet.

Sorry, but if you cannot come up with a crime to indict then you failed if you cannot PROVE it beyond a reasonable doubt.

Trump has lowered his own bar stating there wasn't sufficient evidence so he's not guilty.

No, that would be the Democrats and they still don’t get it.

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There is nothing in the Constitution to prevent the indictment of a sitting president on charges of committing federal crimes. All the excuses cited by the "authorities" denying this possibility stem from Nixon's nefarious activities in the Watergate scandal and his henchmens' panicky efforts to circle the wagons to protect the power and authority of what had become by the time of the Vietnam War an "imperial presidency" that was to be revered and put on a pedestal "above the law". Clinton used the same arrogant argument. Mueller himself belongs to the "Deep State" club and could not undermine its prestige and threaten its authority by indicting Trump. The establishment Dems seem wary of impeachment, (perhaps waiting for a propitious moment?) because of the inevitable stonewalling of the Senate Republican majority. "Not exonerated" is too low a bar to set even for the abysmally venal Trump administration, which is why, in the interests of justice, the Dems should eventually introduce articles of impeachment even if only for the historical record so that the stain remains forever on the wretched legacy of Trumpism.

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Wow truly awesome. Mueller says Trump is guilty until proven innocent. He can’t prove he committed a crime. He won’t state outright that Trump committed any crimes. But at the same time he won’t say he is innocent. At least when Comey did in Hillary’s election prospects he said it wasn’t possible to prove she committed a crime - right after describing how she committed a crime by mishandling classified material.

So Mueller goes ahead and assumes the role of the AG himself by making the charging decision by throwing red meat to his never Trump buddies and backed by his 12 angry Democrat party affiliated prosecuting attorneys. Beautiful.

Get out the popcorn folks, it’s going to be fun watching Pelosi push and impeachment while Barr begins indicting the investigators who framed the President. Never a dull moment in American politics that’s for sure.

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I just don't know why Trump fans are still debating as if Trump is innocent. We know he tried several times to fire Mueller, and even asked the White House council to lie for him about it. Mueller has clearly said that he wouldn't bring any charges against a sitting President, not that Trump didn't do these things.

Time to drop the debate about innocence or guilt. Just man up and tell us you don't care that Trump is a criminal so at least we can move on to the next stage. At this point, that should be impeachment. Whether the Dems are successful or not isn't the point, it's the fact that someone has to go one record to say that they stood up for what was right.

And, more importantly, those who don't should be forever marked with that stain on their family names. I want the history books to show McConnell, Graham, Nunes, all of those guys were spineless, and more importantly, I want them to get up and expose themselves to the younger generation who will soon be making their choice about which party to belong to.

We might not get Trump, be we can erase what little he's done quickly when he's out of office, and we can hasten the demise of the GOP until they find some real leaders, some sane moderates, to step forward.

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Wow truly awesome. Mueller says Trump is guilty until proven innocent. He can’t prove he committed a crime. He won’t state outright that Trump committed any crimes. But at the same time he won’t say he is innocent. At least when Comey did in Hillary’s election prospects he said it wasn’t possible to prove she committed a crime - right after describing how she committed a crime by mishandling classified material. 

So Mueller goes ahead and assumes the role of the AG himself by making the charging decision by throwing red meat to his never Trump buddies and backed by his 12 angry Democrat party affiliated prosecuting attorneys. Beautiful.

It’s not the first time the FBI abused their powers, it goes way back to the days of Hoover, so this is nothing new about how corrupt some of these people are.

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I just don't know why Trump fans are still debating as if Trump is innocent.

I just don’t know how Trump haters can still hate knowing that Mueller didn’t find any crimes committed by this President as far as the Russian collusion hoax is concerned.

We know he tried several times to fire Mueller,

Here is the thing, he didn’t fire Mueller, so what next.

Time to drop the debate about innocence or guilt. Just man up and tell us you don't care that Trump is a criminal so at least we can move on to the next stage. At this point, that should be impeachment. Whether the Dems are successful or not isn't the point, it's the fact that someone has to go one record to say that they stood up for what was right. 

I think liberals need to be honest with themselves, they could care less about Mueller or Barr, they care about and always cared about getting Trump’s taxes and trying to use it against him to see if there is anything of relevance that could help them in their attempts to impeach this President, if they would be honest and admit for once that’s their goal, I could deeply respect them as finally being honest.

And, more importantly, those who don't should be forever marked with that stain on their family names. I want the history books to show McConnell, Graham, Nunes, all of those guys were spineless, and more importantly, I want them to get up and expose themselves to the younger generation who will soon be making their choice about which party to belong to.

I think the history books will show Comey, McCabe, Strzok, Ohrr and Page as well as Nadler and Schiff to have been some of the worst corrupt people on the planet and how they tried to take down a duly elected President by launching a bogus investigation that failed miserably.

We might not get Trump, be we can erase what little he's done quickly when he's out of office,

Like try and tank the economy, increase the tax code, impose more regulations.

and we can hasten the demise of the GOP until they find some real leaders, some sane moderates, to step forward.

Who will save the Democrat party? The socialists? Pelosi can’t. Democrat moderates are virtually extinct.

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Fox News Legal Analyst: Mueller Believes Trump 'Committed A Crime'

https://www.yahoo.com/huffpost/fox-news-andrew-napolitano-mueller-is-saying-he-believed-trump-committed-a-crime-214047178.html

LOL!

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Wow! Fox News

FOX NEWS LEGAL ANALYST SAYS MUELLER EVIDENCE AGAINST TRUMP 'REMARKABLY SIMILAR' TO NIXON, CLINTON IMPEACHMENT CHARGES

https://www.newsweek.com/fox-news-mueller-evidence-trump-similar-nixon-clinton-impeachment-1438750

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Mueller said, "If we'd had confidence that the president clearly did not commit a crime, we would have said so."

But if he'd had confidence that the president DID commit a crime, he would have said so too.

But he didn't say so. So all of this is "word soup."

Trump could have ended this investigation at any time. He didn't. He let it go forward because he was confident that he was innocent.

So I fail to understand how this amounts to "obstruction." Especially when Mueller's investigation turned up no evidence of "collusion" even after spending several million dollars, questioning hundreds of people, and examining thousands of pieces of evidence.

This has gone beyond legitimate oversight. It has reached the depths of political harassment.

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bass: I think the history books will show Comey, McCabe, Strzok, Ohrr and Page as well as Nadler and Schiff to have been some of the worst corrupt people on the planet and how they tried to take down a duly elected President by launching a bogus investigation that failed miserably.

Go into a job interview and mention stuff like that.

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Today, Mueller gave the democrats yet another mirage to chase as they continue wandering aimlessly in their desert of despair.

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Go into a job interview and mention stuff like that.

Lol, anyone not out on the far reaches of the alt-right universe would be embarrassed to hire.

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Fox News Legal Analyst: Mueller Believes Trump 'Committed A Crime'

Fox News Legal Analyst and Law Professor Alan Dershowitz says: Trump broke no laws and was within his constitutional right to to fire Comey and Mueller and his team couldn’t make the case on collusion.

FOX NEWS LEGAL ANALYST SAYS MUELLER EVIDENCE AGAINST TRUMP 'REMARKABLY SIMILAR' TO NIXON, CLINTON IMPEACHMENT CHARGES.

The Good Judge is entitled to his opinion. By the way, funny that Mueller Doesn’t want to testify, because he knows if he goes in front of people like Jim Jordan and Lindsey Graham that they would push him and ask him questions also pertaining to Waihe’e staffed his investigation with all the Democrats, there was no way that man was going to sit up there and be propped and probed like that. The Democrats have absolutely nothing, if Mueller couldn’t find in 2 years 19 Democrat lawyers and 40 FBI that feverishly worked around the clock to find something, anything depend on this president, if they can’t do it, then there’s no way the house judiciary Democrats can do it. But hey, we need the laughs and the theater, so go ahead.

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Today, Mueller gave the democrats yet another mirage to chase as they continue wandering aimlessly in their desert of despair.

I'm watching Trump's popularity slowly dip into the 30's. Getting pretty cold out there huh, maybe he was right about global warming after all, in his world anyways.

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We know he tried several times to fire Mueller, and even asked the White House council to lie for him about it. Mueller has clearly said that he wouldn't bring any charges against a sitting President, not that Trump didn't do these things.

The fact is Trump never actually fired Mueller - so that’s a moot issue. Mueller could have stated plainly that crimes were committed and that Congress should adjudicate the matter. But he didn’t. This is the kind of misconduct that is common in today’s FBI. He failed to prove the case that he was hired to make and instead of admitting defeat his ego told him he had to justify his two fruitless years of work by insinuation.

Time to drop the debate about innocence or guilt

Agreed. Even Mueller admits there was no illegal activity between Trump and Russia. What hasn’t been investigated yet is Hillary’s ties to Russia. Hillary has denied that there were contacts between her law firm to Russian disinformation.

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Wolfpack: He failed to prove the case that he was hired to make and instead of admitting defeat his ego told him he had to justify his two fruitless years of work by insinuation.

Yeah, say that at a wedding sometime.

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Need to put Mueller in front of the Senate and House judiciary committees so he can be grilled. He seems afraid to defend his failure to prove collusion.

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Four more years!!!

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Four more years!!!

Of what? The alt-right crying about Hillary? Or arguing that Trump should have won in 2020?

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@joeblow Four more years!!!

When partisan extremists, paid and volunteer, haven't been given scripts to ape and can't come up with any defense for their leader, they post slogans. Which might work at beer hall rallies - for the benighted.

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Question: What exactly are the crimes that Trump would be charged with in an impeachment proceeding? It can't be Russian collusion or obstruction as Mueller couldn't find a criminal act by Trump or his campaign. Lessee.... it could be.... Making America Great Again!

Four more years!!!

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I just realized that the alt-right moans about Hillary more than the left. Kind of a strange paradox tbh. Could care less what happens to her, and Trump for that matter, as long as he gets out and we get somebody left or right that can do the job some respect.

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I'm watching Trump's popularity slowly dip into the 30's. Getting pretty cold out there huh, maybe he was right about global warming after all, in his world anyways.

Which hovers around 42% not great, not in the 30’s.

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/other/president_trump_job_approval-6179.html

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I'm watching Trump's popularity slowly dip into the 30's

RealClearPolitics has him at 44%. But what do they know, lol

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Of what? The alt-right crying about Hillary? Or arguing that Trump should have won in 2020?

But we have to hear 4 years of Russia and collusion? Huh?

I just realized that the alt-right moans about Hillary

But not more than liberals complaining about Trump.

Could care less what happens to her, and Trump for that matter, as long as he gets out and we get somebody left or right that can do the job some respect.

2024 will be a possible shot.

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SerranoToday  10:45 am JST

I'm watching Trump's popularity slowly dip into the 30's

RealClearPolitics has him at 44%. But what do they know, lol

Actually they average him at 42.4, but I guess you just went for the highest number.

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/other/president_trump_job_approval-6179.html

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Either way, 42, 44, 47, Its still less than half of the country that approves of him. Lol

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Which hovers around 42% not great, not in the 30’s.

Hold my beer!

Trump’s Popularity Hits Record Low as Support for Impeachment Wanes

https://morningconsult.com/2019/04/22/trumps-popularity-hits-record-low-as-support-for-impeachment-wanes/

39% of voters approve of President Donald Trump’s job performance; 57% disapprove.

Oops! Lol!

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2024 will be a possible shot.

Right...yawn. Not sweating.

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Either way, 42, 44, 47, Its still less than half of the country that approves of him. Lol

The Dem front runner, Biden is at 34.8. Lol

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Who knows what his popularity really is, but it's pretty clear that less than half the country approves. Doesn't look good, and doesn't seem optimistic for his future as the President.

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The Dem front runner, Biden is at 34.8. Lol

How many voters in support of other Dem candidates would vote for him over Trump should it come to that?

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SerranoToday  10:54 am JST

Either way, 42, 44, 47, Its still less than half of the country that approves of him. Lol

The Dem front runner, Biden is at 34.8. Lol

Where did you get that number? The site you referenced puts him at 51%...lol

Keep laughing, Serrano

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/other/biden_favorableunfavorable-3469.html

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How many voters in support of other Dem candidates would vote for him over Trump should it come to that?

All of them.

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All of them.

Exactly.

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The House Judiciary Committee's top Republican, Representative Doug Collins, said relitigating Mueller's findings would only divide the country.

No more than Pres already has.

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Question: What exactly are the crimes that Trump would be charged with in an impeachment proceeding? It can't be Russian collusion or obstruction as Mueller couldn't find a criminal act by Trump or his campaign.

No, Mueller has never said he couldn't find a criminal act by Trump or his campaign.

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@serranoThe Dem front runner, Biden is at 34.8. Lol

When Trump is the most dishonest politician in American history, it's not surprising he's attracted so many like-minded followers.

@serranoFour more years!!!

When partisan extremists, paid and volunteer, US and 'foreign', haven't been given scripts to ape and can't come up with any defense for their leader, they post slogans. Which might work at beer hall rallies - for the benighted.

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Either way, 42, 44, 47, Its still less than half of the country that approves of him. Lol

But 56% approval of the economy and that is everything to people, and the Liberals have investigations going into an election year...yeah, good luck with that. Lol

How many voters in support of other Dem candidates would vote for him over Trump should it come to that?

Now if only Biden could get even a third of the crap that Trump has, then I might pay attention.

No more than Pres already has.

Even more so, because you have the moderate Democrats I don’t want impeachment and they know that it spells do them in bloom for them and the socialists already turn off the cliff with it, so I’m rooting for the socialists and hope that they drive off the cliff.

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Need to put Mueller in front of the Senate and House judiciary committees so he can be grilled.

I agree.

He seems afraid to defend his failure to prove collusion.

He did not come off that way at all. In fact, his words and demeanor were both very confident and clear as to exactly what he wanted to say. I don't see how the above claim could be anything other than wishful thinking and/or an inability to accurately read people.

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 What you will notice, however, is that conservatives won't drag Muller's name through the mud because he gave us bad news,

LOL yeah right , while the big orange conservative in the white house did just that every chance he got to discredit Mueller and his team.

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Even more so, because you have the moderate Democrats I don’t want impeachment and they know that it spells do them in bloom for them and the socialists already turn off the cliff with it, so I’m rooting for the socialists and hope that they drive off the cliff.

Were we talking about dividing Democrats or dividing the country? It's not the same thing.

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LOL yeah right , while the big orange conservative in the white house did just that every chance he got to discredit Mueller and his team.

And still doing it with the investigation into Mueller's investigation.

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Heh yeah they aren't spending a lot of time saying Trump is innocent, they're mostly trying to sell us on some technicality that gets Trump off.

They know their boy is scum. But for them, it's a fitting revenge on America.

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So, prosecutor could not prove Trump broke the law. There is no allegations. But prosecutor states, that it doesn't mean Trump is clear?! Really? Now it is prosecutors job to make clearing?

Reading some commenters.

Are those fron the same people who empasized Ghosn's innocence before proved the opposite?

P.s. was the investigation ran clean and clear? I guess noone would want to be investigated like this and then get the verdit "2 years of investigation does not clear you". But what do I know - people are much more into politics than into common sense and the right of people for justice.

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"Nothing changes from the Mueller Report," he wrote. "There was insufficient evidence and therefore, in our Country, a person is innocent. The case is closed! Thank you."

It would surprise me if this half-wit has even read the title of the report.

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The Internet Encyclopedia, has a pretty good article on Impeachment of high officials, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Impeachment_in_the_United_States#Impeachableoffenses:"high_Crimes_and_Misdemeanors".

If in fact, the President was not forth coming with his relationships with adversaries such as Vladimir Putin, . . . .

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Anyone who UNDERSTANDS English knows Mueller has just come out and SAID trump did commit crimes, only people who hate their own country & constitution could possibly defend trump now & sadly there are MANY of them, pathetic so many repubs are so willing to overlook criminals in their midst!!!

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Of course they will. They have to. The need to keep hate churning for the next few weeks because they all know that when DOJ Inspector General Michael Horowitz releases his report on the FBI’s handling of the investigation into Trump in a few weeks, there is going to be such a widespread backlash against the intelligence community for their illegal spying and actions against the Trump campaign. They’re going to need every one of their hate filled hysterical posters to feed the web with their lies and counter talking points.

Love that you're sticking to conspiracy theories.

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It's hilarious and extremely telling how Trumpophiles love liberal Alan Dershowitz more than good, strong conservative Napolitano! ROFL!

If it's so important to get Mueller to testify, why hasn't the republican controlled Senate subpoenaed him?

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But 56% approval of the economy and that is everything to people

You demolished this idea yourself by pointing out that Bush 2 is regarded as a successful president despite overseeing an economic car crash. Similarly, you regard Obama’s presidency as an economic failure but he won two terms including winning the popular vote twice.

Trump’s approval rating has dipped slightly in the last few weeks according to the average of the polls. I don’t get the sense Mueller’s words will see much change in Trump’s poor approval ratings either way.

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If it's so important to get Mueller to testify, why hasn't the republican controlled Senate subpoenaed him?

Maybe its because they are afraid he'll say something they don't want him to say about Trump?

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Or maybe its because the Senate doesn't believe the Trump/Alt-right fairy-tales...either way, seems like they know they are in deep manure.

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“If we had confidence that the president clearly did not commit a crime, we would have said so," Mueller said. "We did not, however, make a determination as to whether the president did commit a crime."

Translation. The president committed a crime, but if I can’t send him to jail, I can’t call it that. That’s your job.

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You can't prove Trump didn't commit a crime just same as Mueller.

Its pretty obvious he did though...either way, his involvement in blackmailing, cheating employees, stealing money, fake charities, lying, slandering women, and bigotry is clear as day (and this is the short list). Not really who I think should be representing America...I guess you guys are all ok with this? It should be the way we raise our kids and build the future?

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This is the era when "spin" isn't enough.

Mueller: "The Constitution requires a process other than the criminal justice system to formally accuse a sitting president of wrongdoing,"  For those who can't fully understand English: We couldn't prosecute because the only action against a president's criminal acts is impeachment, but we couldn't exonerate because the facts didn't support exoneration.

Trump, Barr and GoP (and supporters): Clearly, “There was insufficient evidence" “Today was phenomenal news."  The GoP has become a party of zealots knowingly telling and believing outright lies. Shameful.

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The words are clear.

“If we had had confidence that the president clearly did not commit a crime, we would have said so,” Mr. Mueller said. He also noted that while Justice Department policy prohibits charging a sitting president with a crime, the Constitution provides for another remedy to formally accuse a president of wrongdoing — a clear reference to the ability of Congress to conduct impeachment proceedings."

To interprate this as anything other than what was exactly said, it disengenous at best, failure of language comprehension and ignorance at least, or outright lying that those very words means Trump is cleared.

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"That's why I said it before like I'll say it again: The Trump presidency has pulled up the dems' skirts. They've been exposed. Go ahead and impeach--I am still not going to vote for democratic slavery."

100%. Ill never vote for those goofs. Just look at the difference in Ambassadors in Japan; now getting busy vs before doing nothing. Worthless bunch. These dems and their lib media are just stirring the pot, nobody is buying the crap anymore.

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Total waste of time and money on a Democrat fish story from hell that was based on lies and fueled by the media. Trump will be re-elected considering there are no competitors smart enough. Like the Kavenaugh Dog and Pony show of phony accusations the Dems will continue to demonstrate their stupidity as the Master Troll plays them like a fiddle. Q was right. Need to get more Popcorn.

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"Democrat fish story from hell"

Superlative marketing.

"Trump will be re-elected considering there are no competitors smart enough."

Funny, you think intelligence is required to be elected when Trump's in the office.

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To interprate this as anything other than what was exactly said, it disengenous at best, failure of language comprehension and ignorance at least, or outright lying that those very words means Trump is cleared.

LOL! The experts disagree!

Andy McCarthy: Mueller's statement on Russia probe was "explosive."

https://news.yahoo.com/andy-mccarthy-muellers-statement-russia-153451107.html

Mueller:

Charging the president with a crime was not option from the DOJ. He didn't charge him because he wasn't given the option. He said, so it is Congress's job!

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It would surprise me if this half-wit has even read the title of the report.

Mueller?

Last week Trump's dim witted campaign Press Secretary claimed she was more of a Republican than Mueller.

Today Fox's renowned but barely educated journalist is at his finest.

Comedians do not need to write their stuff any more, Trumpets are churning it out in volumes.

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So then Mueller could have recommended that, but he didn’t, so regardless of what Mueller THOUGHT or FELT, it’s irrelevant, was there a crime committed or not? He couldn’t prove it, so than there was No crime.

Still in the Truthiness business?

"Truthiness is the belief or assertion that a particular statement is true based on the intuition or perceptions of some individual or individuals, without regard to evidence, logic, intellectual examination, or facts."

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The fact that you want more than half of America to fail and "fall over a cliff" is just proving you hate America...

I was talking about Democrats.

Maybe its because they are afraid he'll say something they don't want him to say about Trump?

Or maybe he’s afraid of getting grilled by the Republicans about his many inconsistencies And political bias.

Or maybe its because the Senate doesn't believe the Trump/Alt-right fairy-tales...either way, seems like they know they are in deep manure.

I doubt it. Again, Nadler and his merry band of socialists don’t have anything on this President, but if they want to embarrass themselves and go the impeachment routes, go right ahead.

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I was talking about Democrats.

Yea, the majority of Americans...

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Or maybe he’s afraid of getting grilled by the Republicans about his many inconsistencies And political bias.

You know he is a registered republican, right?

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Its pretty obvious he did though...

Well, if he did then Mueller could have and should have filed charges on him, but he didn’t. So you can’t say he did. Saying he did has zero meaning in the judicial system.

either way, his involvement in blackmailing, cheating employees, stealing money, fake charities, lying, slandering women,

Ok and? He’s a politician/businessman nothing new.

and bigotry is clear

Impossible, how so?

as day (and this is the short list). Not really who I think should be representing America...I guess you guys are all ok with this? It should be the way we raise our kids and build the future?

If we really want to make a change from ground zero, get all the whacked liberals out of the public schools, that’s a start of really stomping out the PC madness.

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The Trumpets REALLY don't want to answer this one:

I'm curious, after hearing Mueller's comments, do you feel Trump's assessment of the report as a complete and utter exoneration was an accurate characterization of the report?

Can anyone theorize on possible reasons why Trumpets wouldn't want to answer this question?

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Well, if he did then Mueller could have and should have filed charges on him, but he didn’t. So you can’t say he did. Saying he did has zero meaning in the judicial system

Seriously, Mueller can't file charges on a standing president...thought at least this would have made it through your thick skull.

Ok and? He’s a politician/businessman nothing new.

So you want to perpetuate this behavior....wow

Impossible, how so?

....Don't really need to even answer.

If we really want to make a change from ground zero, get all the whacked liberals out of the public schools, that’s a start of really stomping out the PC madness.

Huh? What does this even mean? You would rather children be raised to think its ok to call others hateful names? Or do you mean you'd rather see teachers armed with rifles? I don't get your aim here boris...

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The Dems MUST impeach - come on AOC! Take down Pelosi and give us the Democratic Party youve been promising!

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on the coastal areas that’s true, not in middle America or the fly over States.

I'm gonna post real facts for you....

*there are nearly 12 million more registered Democrats than Republicans. 40% of all voters in party registration states are Democrats, 29% are Republicans, and 28% are independents*

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Viking: Good to have you back.

Let's not lose sight of how petty, vile, and repugnant Donny is:

https://www.yahoo.com/news/white-house-ordered-uss-john-033241611.html

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on the coastal areas that’s true, not in middle America or the fly over States.

A majority of Americans depends on a numerical value, not geographic location. ROFL! HAR!

And liberals are whining why Conservatives are whining about continuing the Russian witch hoax.

In English, please.

Oh, dear....not at all! I want the Dems to waste their time. I support them.

Then why are you constantly moaning about what they do?

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Viking: Good to have you back.

Let's not lose sight of how petty, vile, and repugnant Donny is:

https://www.yahoo.com/news/white-house-ordered-uss-john-033241611.html

Got burned out and needed a break.

Wonder if the confirmation hearings for the acting SecDoD will ask about the USS John McCain and actions to protect the baby man.

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Got burned out and needed a break.

It does get old constantly correcting the inaccuracy pushed by Trumpophiles.

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