U.S. aircraft carrier arrives in South Korea for joint drills

Was that stupid? These big shops can be destroyed by Chinese ultra sonic ballistic missiles.

Lol, my dentist cleans my teeth with an ultrasonic cleaner. I think you meant hypersonic but maybe you were hyperventilating when you typed it. It is not an easy thing to hit a moving target maneuvering in the vastness of the ocean with something moving as fast as one of those hypersonic glide vehicles. They can be effective against fixed targets where the coordinates can be programmed in ahead of time and the target is not moving around. But at those kinds of speeds there is precious little time for a seeker to scan the ocean, classify what it sees (is it neutral shipping or a valid target, you don't want to hit neutral shipping), track the target and maneuver to hit it. Seekers on see so far and the faster the missile the seeker is on, the less time to complete the kill chain. The US had borderline hypersonic missiles, ALVRJ and ASAM, back in the 1970s but they never went into production. Instead Harpoon, Tomahawk and AGM-86 went into production. There are good reasons why western navies have mostly stuck to subsonic anti-ship missiles. They hit the target more reliably, can re-attack if they miss or are spoofed by electronic warfare, and when doing weaves and corkscrews two meters above the waves can be every bit as hard to track and shoot down as the fast movers.

 just one torpedoed the hill of the aircraft carrier will blown up like Christmas tree!

Take a look at how many torpedos the Japanese had to pump into the much smaller USS Yorktown at the Battle of Midway, and consider that bomb damage suffered the month before at the Battle of Coral Sea was not fully repaired and there were yard workers on board during the battle trying to fix her as she fought and you get the idea that one torpedo hit is not going to sink an American aircraft carrier. Modern US carriers have a lot of design features not in the public realm that allow them to absorb huge damage and fight.

In my own time I saw a mistake by a maintenance crew set off over a dozen A-7s and two F-14s on the forward flight deck of USS Nimitz. This was during her 1988-89 deployment. Big explosions. The automatic flight deck foaming system had the fire out in less than a minute. The wrecked aircraft were shoved over the bow at first light, the flight deck carefully cleaned and inspected and by 1000 that morning they were conducting flight ops. Replacement A-7s were bought out from a west coast base arriving a couple of days later.

Some years earlier there was a flight deck mishap on Nimitz where an S-3 landed well off centerline and hit an SH-3 which caused an even bigger fire that in turn caused a bunch of missiles to explode. Again the automatic foam system had the fire out and aside from a few shallow dents from the missiles exploding there was no damage to the ship, though quite a few aircraft were destroyed.

Don't know if what @William Bjornson is saying is true but that super carrier is the dogs bollocks and looks the business.I bet the Russians and Chinese think so as well.

When you read stuff like what he wrote, consider that China is expending vast amounts of their own hard earned to build the same sorts of aircraft carriers. They have a 70,000 - 80,000 ton conventional catapult launch and arrested recovery aircraft carrier in the water being fitted out in Shanghai now. If there are weapons that can sink aircraft carriers so easily, considering that it is reputed that China possesses such weapons then why would the Chinese expend so much energy and resources to build their own "floating tombs"?

The reality is much different. WWII proved that even the much smaller aircraft carriers the US Navy possessed back then took an awful lot of hits to sink. Find out how much heavy ordnance exploded on the decks of USS Forrestal in 1967 and USS Enterprise in 1969 and both ships survived. All those combat jets a modern aircraft carrier brings with it make them very hard to hit and trying to defend your own ships without your own aircraft over head is almost comically futile. I can tell Mr. Bjornson from personal experience that a big Nimitz Class is not necessarily easy to find. It is a very small thing in a very big ocean even when the carrier is not trying to hide from you. You get a hazy humid day and that thing disappears from view until you are almost on it. Five miles out knowing it was right on my nose and we could not see it in the haze.

Sure enemies have electronics but the carrier and its escorts have lots of ways to spoof those electronics and the very haze that made her so hard to find that day can also make it tough for electro-optical systems to find her. We practiced operating with the radios and radars turned off, EMCON for EMissions CONtrol, all the time. Communications are accomplished with signal lights and flags. You can operate that way for days if necessary, even conduct flight ops. Good luck finding a carrier strike group that goes EMCON under a weather system. The Chinese know this and are ardent to replicate that capability. Russia would too if they had the resources, though they never managed to figure out how catapults work while the Chinese appear to have done so.

Korea announced they are upgrading their carriers to full 70,000 ton CATOBAR configuration and unveiled the naval fighter jet design for it.

Japan should consider upgrading its dedicated carriers to full 70,000 ton CATOBAR configuration as well.

https://www.navalnews.com/naval-news/2022/09/south-korea-considers-larger-aircraft-carrier-procurement/

South Korea Considers Larger Aircraft Carrier Procurement

The Republic of Korea Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff General Kim Seung-kyum said on September 19th that the military will consider acquiring an aircraft carrier that is larger than the current CVX design if a carrier capable fighter is developed domestically.

When Washington does not trust an officer in command they are immediately removed from duty. Your assertions are therefore complete rubbish.

Officers who screw up and/or misconduct often get sent to remote commands so far off nobody will ever know what goes on there. They get removed from the 'main network' and get sent to remote commands where nobody hears from them again.

Exercises serve at least two useful purposes, building interoperability between allies and sending a clear message to the slave state in the north.

It certainly does and it's simply normal routine exercises between military allies. Xi and Kimbo can 'WAH' all they want to but that's most much they can do about it. It's in international waters. Sulk, crybabies. Sulk.

NemoSep. 23  06:27 pm JST

Golly,

If only the USN had strategic thinkers who could consider the threats to an aircraft carrier battle group as well as an embittered former Marine.

Oh wait, they do.

In fact it has people with better info, up to date tech, and better educations (and judgment, but I digress.)

A carrier battle group can wage an air + sea war all by itself. I refer to the Libya wars of 1986 and 2011, the Bosnia War, the Kosovo War, the ISIS War (mostly) and a few others. No ground forces. And they can commend it up within a minute's notice. Many of our wars are getting more advanced in that way. Also, cyberwar too.

The one biggest ugly factor is that it has resulted in wars being 'harmless' entertainment for the armchair general American public. Something to get mesmerized to the boob tube for. Yippy-yippy-yi-yi-yay and all that neanderthal crap.

If China is so badass like a couple of posters have said, then why haven't they done what you are sure they are capable of doing? A bully is only a bully until a badder badass punches him in the mouth. God Bless the USA!

Was that stupid? These big shops can be destroyed by Chinese ultra sonic ballistic missiles. China has 70+ submarines, just one torpedoed the hill of the aircraft carrier will blown up like Christmas tree!

In August that ship was coward to pass through the Taiwan Strait because Chinese naval and aerospace power was no longer like 1996!

What aircraft carriers are now in the heads of inexperienced admirals who, for their entire careers, know better than to 'rock the boat', BATTLESHIPS were in 1941. A couple of notable names are Bismarck and YAMATO if, suddenly, an unprecedented need to actually study something were to strike. It's always been a great military strategy to concentrate one's major resources in a small space, for the other side. "Armies prepare to fight their last war, rather than their next war" - Anonymous And America is still stuck in WWII. Given the targeting technology available today and ~75 years of anti-aircraft carrier weapons developments, fleets (~20 per 'fleet') of smaller, fast, submersible, multipurpose, highly co-ordinated but widely distributed ships (wolfpacks?) that, collectively, equal the concentrated resources of the now highly vulnerable 'battle groups' (one tactical nuke) will probably be the next step. As it is now, most of the U.S.'s naval resources will be gone in the first hour of a REAL war along with an obscene number of young lives. And Corporate's weapon's profits are tied up in the status quo so the 'invincible' America will lose to its own archaic thinking and massive military/industrial corruption and it, too, shall pass...

I do not know why it is a priority,to demonstrate force,that will not be fruitful,when American will be waiting on Chinese ships to deliver their Christmas present,for merchant in America, Chinese cargo ships,not American military ships they worried

American public are only interested in the security of their own lives,not the interest of Japan,South Korea or other countries in the region,we are the ultimate decider of a military response

apan would be the first target of war with China what to see the effects of a nuclear strike on Japan Google Nukemap

So your saying China will start a nuclear conflict and its first target will be Japan. Sounds like Japan should arm itself to the teeth and prepare to defend itself against a warmongering China.

the 7th fleet is under direct control of Washington DC, because of it corrupt past ,even the US do not trust their leadership Google Fat Leonard 7th Fleet

When Washington does not trust an officer in command they are immediately removed from duty. Your assertions are therefore complete rubbish.

While at it keep heading towards N. Korea nukes and OBLITIRATE them, Sir.

Just the sight of this magnificent machine make me appreciate the awesome power freedom and democracy.

Nemo,the 7th fleet is under direct control of Washington DC, because of it corrupt past ,even the US do not trust their leadership Google Fat Leonard 7th Fleet

Redstorm,do you think this will deter China,Japan would be the first target of war with China what to see the effects of a nuclear strike on Japan Google Nukemap

Golly,

If only the USN had strategic thinkers who could consider the threats to an aircraft carrier battle group as well as an embittered former Marine.

Oh wait, they do.

In fact it has people with better info, up to date tech, and better educations (and judgment, but I digress.)

So thanks WB, you can go back to ranting. The pros will take it from here.

Nope WB is wrong as has been pointed out innumerable time’s before. Why else are his friends in West Taiwan busy building “floating tombs” to use his description?

Exercises serve at least two useful purposes, building interoperability between allies and sending a clear message to the slave state in the north.

Good for the activists, keep sending the balloons; freedom of expression is worth fighting for, despite the opinion of that disgrace of an ex president Moon.

@bjorn

if the North Koreans & Chinese behaved themselves & stopped threatening other countries, there wouldn’t be a need for ships like this.

And I think you overestimate these country’s ability to sink it.

Yeah the Ronald Reagan is badass- just like its namesake.

For all the non US people complaining about why Korea and Japan contribute for military bases in their countries? this is just a small part of the protection that money is getting.

Don't know if what @William Bjornson is saying is true but that super carrier is the dogs bollocks and looks the business.I bet the Russians and Chinese think so as well.

Many thanks to our American friends.

Ah, yes, MORE of the endless 'joint exercises' practicing the destruction of North Korea and China. just another example of Chinese and North Korean AGGRESSION. What else this floating tomb represents is the archaic mentality of U.S. naval authorities given the anti-ship capabilities now online in, at least, China's arsenal. Between hypersonic missiles and supercavitating torpedoes, a GIANT radar target such as that ship will have a 'battlefield' lifetime of, maybe, one hour. Great tools for attacking relatively defenseless peoples but in a major sea war with a major opponent, criminally suicidal for the crews. Think of the Moskva and those weren't even 'advanced' weapons. Sad to see those 5000+ young lives put in such a precarious position by incompetent and backward looking leadership.