U.S. holds separate talks with Russians after meeting Ukrainians to discuss potential ceasefire

Yeah the Idiot said 24 hour but like most idiots are brainless Trump meant 24 months.

Speaking on “Fox News Sunday,” Trump’s special envoy Steve Witkoff said he expected “some real progress” at talks and that a pause in hostilities by both countries in the Black Sea would “naturally gravitate into a full-on shooting ceasefire.”

Witkoff is such an idiot that he said he believed the fake referendums in the occupied oblasts were legitimate. Give me a break. He doesn’t even know the names of the actual oblasts.

Photos 2, 4 and 8 feature a certain controversial torchlit parade.

It seems to me the ceasefire takes years and Putin doesn't want it now.

Clear, progress towards Peace after Zero effort was made to even talk for many years under Biden Admin.

Special Envoy Steve Witkoff just gave a great interview on Tucker Carlson regarding Ukraine and Middle East Peace - worth watching, clearly normalizing the world economy requires Peace AND Normalization of Relations

HopeSpringsEternal

Clear, progress towards Peace after Zero effort was made to even talk for many years under Biden Admin.

Because Biden knew that Putin doesn’t want peace and won’t give up anything to get it.

It seems to me the ceasefire takes years and Putin doesn't want it now.

Or perhaps is the big US industrial military complex who does not want that?

Let’s put into context few things here. The US administration has sent over 120 billions of dollars of weapons to Ukraine since the start of the conflict. The White House has swiftly taken over Russian gas charging four times as much his allies, benefiting Texas oil companies. Not to mention that American LNG is highly polluting for the global environment, something that legacy media does not reveal. A reminder that the top 5 weapons manufacturers in the world are all American, which in turn sent the US financial stock to record high. And now Washington is trying to loot Ukraine by getting hold of their main resources.

So, why would the warlords of Wall Street aim to a cease fire?

At some point the team that can't shoot straight is either going to have to give up on this "peace effort" or be honest that they are nodding along to russia's surrender demands.

FosToday 08:55 am JST

Let’s put into context few things here. The US administration has sent over 120 billions of dollars of weapons to Ukraine since the start of the conflict. The White House has swiftly taken over Russian gas charging four times as much his allies, benefiting Texas oil companies. Not to mention that American LNG is highly polluting for the global environment, something that legacy media does not reveal. A reminder that the top 5 weapons manufacturers in the world are all American, which in turn sent the US financial stock to record high.

And these are all great things as fascism needs to be resisted.

And now Washington is trying to loot Ukraine by getting hold of their main resources.

So Trump bad?

HopeSpringsEternal

Special Envoy Steve Witkoff just gave a great interview on Tucker Carlson regarding Ukraine and Middle East Peace - worth watching, clearly normalizing the world economy requires Peace AND Normalization of Relations

He showed himself to be completely clueless and inept. How can someone who knows nothing about the history of Ukraine and Russia be in that position.

Putin is only interested in peace on his terms.

HopeSpringsEternalToday 08:51 am JST

Clear, progress towards Peace after Zero effort was made to even talk for many years under Biden Admin.

Do you think someday they will get a ceasefire on energy infrastructure only?

Zelensky doesn't get to dictate terms. There were no calls for ceasefires in 2023 but now the boot is on the other foot. Moscow is primed for the spring-summer campaign season.

In the TC interview, Witkoff also ridiculed Starmer's 'peacekeeping' plan as a "combination of a posture and a pose". He also accused him of adopting the "simplistic" notion that leaders "have all got to be like Winston Churchill".

He also made a number of accurate factual statements concerning referendums and realities of the ground that certain quarters refuse to accept.

JJEToday 09:19 am JST

Zelensky doesn't get to dictate terms.

Zelenskyy gets to dictate what happens to his country as long as there is a single Ukrainian ready to put a russian in the ground.

In the TC interview, Witkoff also ridiculed Starmer's 'peacekeeping' plan as a "combination of a posture and a pose". He also accused him of adopting the "simplistic" notion that leaders "have all got to be like Winston Churchill".

An accurate depiction of the incompetence and treason in the Trump administration.

He also made a number of accurate factual statements concerning referendums and realities of the ground that certain quarters refuse to accept.

Maybe Trump should hold a referendum in Ukraine then, if he wants one so badly.

The Trump sell-out of Ukraine continues...

Putin's Puppet and Poodle is dancing as his Master pulls the strings...

Witkoff has proved himself to be a clever cookie. Respectful, inquisitive and not bound by false narratives - all qualities for a special envoy of state. No wonder he succeeded in the private sector. America - and Trump - are lucky to have a committed man of such qualities, bringing public decency to diplomacy again and doing it for free.

Among his public statements, he has said the conflict was "not necessarily" started by Russia, that NATO had a significant role in provoking the conflict, and that most Eastern Ukrainians want to live under Russian rule. All of these decent assertions have factual and provable underpinnings.

The 'unprovoked' fairytale has crumbled, much like the post-Cold War unipolar order is tumbling. He understands that honesty and facts count, especially when attempting to resolve a conflict: something sorely missing until now.

I don't think these are real negotiations because the US side is completely compromised, and is not putting any pressure on Russia. Russia will demand, and get, everything it wants from the amateurish US negotiators because they know Trump and Witkoff are unbelievably gullible and under Putin's influence. The Ukranians realize this and I think are just playing for time in order to get as much US support before it inevitably ends when the US tries to force Russia's maximalist demands on them. And when that all falls apart then the Europeans/Ukranians will step into the room together for the real, direct negotiations with Russia.

JJE

Zelensky doesn't get to dictate terms.

He has been for 3 years now.

There were no calls for ceasefires in 2023 but now the boot is on the other foot. Moscow is primed for the spring-summer campaign season.

They look stalled.

In the TC interview, Witkoff also ridiculed Starmer's 'peacekeeping' plan as a "combination of a posture and a pose". He also accused him of adopting the "simplistic" notion that leaders "have all got to be like Winston Churchill".

Witkoff is out of his depth and should leave foreign affairs to people like Starmer who knows what he is doing.

That interview was comical. The blind leading the clueless.

He also made a number of accurate factual statements concerning referendums and realities of the ground that certain quarters refuse to accept.

Factual according to Kremlin propaganda. I can’t believe Witkoff fell for that.

How does Zaporizhzhia have a referendum if the largest city doesn’t participate?!

Bonkers.

JJE

Among his public statements, he has said the conflict was "not necessarily" started by Russia, that NATO had a significant role in provoking the conflict, and that most Eastern Ukrainians want to live under Russian rule.

Far from being a smart guy, Witkoff is parroting Kremlin propaganda. We all know that NATO has nothing to do with this conflict and Eastern Ukrainians would prefer that Russia didn’t pound their cities to dust.

All pretexts to invasion. All false.

Witkoff knows much about the fraudulent narrative. One important task he bothered to do is he examined the electoral maps of constitutional Ukraine from 1991-2014 and them compared them with post-coup ones. He obviously spotted the elephant in the room that made him question the status quo and confident in raising the referendum results once compared with all of the above: it really jumps out and is patently obvious; non-evidential to assert otherwise. He deserves credit for having intelligence and wisdom to arrive at such points through logic, common sense and evidence, rather than relying on the 'received wisdom' of flawed narratives.

good luck with talk.

lets hope for a much needed peace.

Russian forces are not stalled. This happens every year at this time of year - operational pause with rotations, resupply, buildup of stocks, rear preparations and reconditioning of equipment etc. Plus, they had a very big offensive in Kursk - taking advantage of favorable weather - which is in the mop-up phase. Plus, they aren't exactly sitting still either: you aren't hearing of all the daily incremental advances up and down the main line of contact, with strikes in tactical/strategic rear areas on tempo. Plus, certain areas have snowmelt, followed by mud, to be dried as the weather fines up. This will mean the low hanging cloud & fog banks in the south-east will lift too.

While no one knows for sure, a safe bet for the upcoming campaign season will be:

Russia is going to pull Ukrainian forces back to the Sumy region the way Ukraine had hoped Kursk would pull Russian forces from the east. Then we'll see where the blow lands.

JJE

Witkoff knows much about the fraudulent narrative.

In fact, he believes the fraudulent narrative. He thinks that the referendums were fair.

US Special Envoy Steve Witkoff has ample classified information to make his correct assessments.

As he stated on Tucker Carlson's Podcast this week, Ukraine war's two-sided, both sides to blame, not simple one-sided media narrative based upon Censorship.

America is lucky to have Mr. Witkoff's Common Sense and Negotiation Skills to resolve this conflict that began in 2014 and escalated into a global matter in 2022.

Good point. Witkoff has access to classified information. However, publicly available information - namely the previous country-wide electoral maps/results - provides a sufficient reference point when blowing off the false narrative concerning the referendums (not to mention the state of post 2014 electoral anomalies). One can only imagine what material, public and private, he has seen: makes one wonder the extent of chronic dishonesty in the previous administration. The previous 'narrative' is ruthless in its manipulation of truth.

In an exchange with reporters at the White House, Trump said territorial lines and the potential for U.S. ownership of a key nuclear power plant in southern Ukraine have been part of the talks.

smooth

As we all know the main responsible for this full scale disaster is the big US industrial military complex, the same one that President Dwight Eisenhower warned against in 1961.

If there had been no decision in April 2008 to expand Nato into Ukraine the situation in Europe today and the situation regarding the European Russia relations would look fundamentally different and we would have a peaceful Europe. The catastrophic decision by George W. Bush and Condolezza Rice to expand Nato was totally ill conceived: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0epyHOz-Pbs

HopeSpringsEternal

US Special Envoy Steve Witkoff has ample classified information to make his correct assessments.

And yet he falls for Kremlin propaganda.

As he stated on Tucker Carlson's Podcast this week, Ukraine war's two-sided, both sides to blame,

Blame is on Russia only. This was an unprovoked attack.

not simple one-sided media narrative based upon Censorship.

What censorship? The invasion happened in full sight. If Russia wants to make the case that it was provoked, it should provide the evidence. It hasn’t.

America is lucky to have Mr. Witkoff's Common Sense and Negotiation Skills to resolve this conflict that began in 2014 and escalated into a global matter in 2022.

He is inept and inexperienced. And Putin is playing him.

Fos

If there had been no decision in April 2008 to expand Nato into Ukraine the situation in Europe today and the situation regarding the European Russia relations would look fundamentally different and we would have a peaceful Europe. 

And yet in 2022 Ukraine was not in NATO.

If they were there might have been peace.

JJE

Good point. Witkoff has access to classified information. However, publicly available information - namely the previous country-wide electoral maps/results - provides a sufficient reference point when blowing off the false narrative concerning the referendums

One doesn’t need access to classified information to determine that the referendums were a sham. That makes his ignorance all the more damning.

(not to mention the state of post 2014 electoral anomalies).

There weren’t any.