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bass4funk
Clearly Biden is going to fund Ukraine with or without Congressional approval. He's even apparently willing to put our own national security at risk by giving them our military stockpiles if necessary. My guess is Zelenskyy has the Burisma bribery tapes so he really has no choice at all.
Cards fan
Yes, America is now at risk because Ukraine received 300 million dollars in aid out of the US' $850 billion in annual military spending.
My guess is this more of the debunked conspiracy garbage that Russian agents attempted to launder through the fail sons of the GOP congress.
zones2surf
I remember when the Democrat Party were the anti-war party. How times have changed..... I am sure it has nothing to do with the personal bank accounts of politicians of both parties.
bass4funk
The US has sent more than $43 billion in security assistance to the Ukrainian government since February 24, 2022, primarily through presidential drawdowns and the Ukraine Security Assistance Initiative (USAI). In addition to security assistance, the United States has provided over $60 billion in funding and equipment through military, economic, and humanitarian aid to Ukraine. Congress appropriated more than $112 billion in 2022 alone for Ukraine's conflict with Russia. The total money allocated for Ukraine since February 2022 would be nearly $100 billion if a proposed $45 billion aid package is passed by Congress. I'd say the US has gone above and beyond in helping Ukraine's military. Now what about helping us? And as the number of people leaving Democrat poorly run states….
Cards fan
And I remember when the right had the backbone to stand up to Russia. There's a difference between helping an ally that's being invaded and invading another country. Helping a country defend itself isn't being "pro-war." No reasonable person would make this argument.
Yrral
Ukraine should not be American priority, when they are coming apart at the seam, Ukraine even after this war effort,is not in a priority to promote Liberty Equality and Justice for All the cornerstone of freedom
TaiwanIsNotChina
The right decision but the solution is for MAGAs to abandon their game of treason.
bass4funk
Not for the American people. Thats another nail for Biden.
John
From your lips to Biden’s ears, buddy.
Just like when Trump reallocated funds to send Troops to the border to confront a non-existent “invasion” by unarmed migrants.
Only this time it’s an actual national security threat.
So yeah, that’s what he should do.
In THIS case, it’s not an unauthorized reallocation, but savings from contracts.
obladi
Putin is the enemy, not only of Ukraine and Poland, but also of Russia. Sack him, end the invasion of Ukraine, and restore peace for all.
TaiwanIsNotChina
That land gear is there to fight Russia and Russia alone. Any other adversary is either small or not a land based threat to our allies.
bass4funk
What?
And rightfully so, I mean, that’s what you do, protect the sovereignty of your country and if you can’t or won’t do that, you shouldn’t even be President.
Not for the U.S.
No, Biden just spat once again in the face of Americans. Anyway, that further helps Trump.
No, it’s robbing Paul to give to Peter, on steroids.
TaiwanIsNotChina
All great actions to protect our security.
If you ask your hero Putin, it's not just Ukraine's conflict with Russia. He even misaddresses missives to the US.
Sounds like not nearly enough.
Yes, Orange Offender told you it was enough but facts on the ground say otherwise.
Republicans can appropriate any new spending they want without opposition (within reason). Even to the Democratic states, although I suspect you don't want that.
TaiwanIsNotChina
It is for those able to plan more than 10 minutes into the future.
Americans are in favor of supporting Ukraine. They've just been told by traitors that they shouldn't have to pay for it.
JJE
RMOD put up footage of another Himars system getting popped last night. Looks like real time targeting is drastically improving for whatever reasons.
The manpower issue is the crunch for the UAF. Can't see that improving. At the very least they might be able to rebuild for a fallback defense but can't see them coming out with trained forces for any serious type of mass offensive.
Kyiv will be on the backfoot from here on out regardless of what aid arrives. Just a band-aid no matter the size of it. Moscow is owning this one.
bass4funk
Hasn’t in 3 years and it won’t now. I remember when Biden pushed for highspeed rail in California and that it would revolutionize travel as we know and so what happened with that project?
What?
Well, it’s not your money so why would you care. I was like that when I was a kid as well, I just wanted my parents to give me money, like a cared where it came from. Lol
No, facts for this administration. But that has nothing to do with the U.S.
Well, When Trump gets back into office and does the same, I hope the will have the same attitude you’re having. This will definitely help him.
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2023/dec/04/republicans-oppose-ukraine-funding-white-house
Something that the Dems are incapable of doing.
No, they are not. It’s not even on the priority list, your nose just grew a foot.
https://abcnews.go.com/538/years-war-american-support-ukraine/story?id=107488095
Traitors, this WH and Trump’s numbers continue to tick up.
TaiwanIsNotChina
Glad you are acknowledging there won't be any sweets handed out in Kyiv or Kharkiv anytime soon.
UChosePoorly
Nice! Let's get Ukraine the help she needs to beat back our common enemy.
ClippetyClop
Damn right they are, it's all on them. Putin is fortunate to have a an army of useful Vatnik Americans who somehow think he is their ally.
So when does Russia finally win and go home? Another three days or another 250 x three days?
UChosePoorly
Russia is slowly coming around to the realization that they aren't that attractive, compared to what else is out there.
John
Like the time Trump reallocated government funds not authorized by Congress to fail to finish his pluseless wall?
That more accurately describes the scenario you describe.
THIS was savings found WITHIN the authorized program.
You (surprise surprise) you are “mistaken” (as per usual).
LOL.
wallace
Debunked.
TaiwanIsNotChina
This may come as a shocker, but you can't see our national security improving without taking into account a lot of factors like 100k Russians being ground up and spit out.
Putin addressed his ceasefire plan to the US we are told.
It's not your money, either. It's all of our money together, which is what we do to keep interests safe from Russia.
If you are thinking Republicans will fund the wall after screwing the pooch in the Senate, you might be right. You're running out of leverage by forcing the loss in Ukraine, though.
These surveys almost never ask about whether people are happy with what has been given so far. That is where the inane anti-taxers would fall off and admit they don't like Putin.
itsonlyrocknroll
Europe needs to take fully responsibility right now for its own security.
That is Germany, France, every EU member state, plus the UK.
ok1517
Good, very, very good!
And I hope this is just the beginning of more aid coming to Ukraine!
If the Republicans don't want to go along (at least some are still willing to help) - find other ways and means to help Ukraine defeat those Russian aggressors!
People like wanna-be-speaker Johnson and others like him should start thinking!
Either you defeat PUTAin's Russia now or he will continue invading more European countries in the future, in which case the scenario of NATO troops involved in fights against Russia will happen.
Ukraine prevails!
JboneInTheZone
I used to be very anti-funding Ukraine, but the matter of the fact is that China is looking very closely at the situation. Any wavering in American support towards Ukraine will be used as an excuse to invade Taiwan.
The world has shown time and time again that they’re incapable of taking care of themselves and the only thing that has guaranteed the peace we’ve all enjoyed for the past 80 years is the threat of America coming down on you for disrupting the global order.
itsonlyrocknroll
Biden and Trump, neither are to blame for the utter betrayal/failure of EU/UK to fully support Ukraine.
Support, tanks, aircraft, navy, missile systems, armaments, intelligence pitchforks.
This whole sordid betrayal stinks of appeasement.
A policy of empty boots on the ground to match the empty promises.
JboneInTheZone
Very true. These are the same people who have been complaining about the U.S. being world police for the past 80 years but can’t even keep their own backyard in order
ian
Ludicrous
Blacklabel
This Biden administration sure is great at finding loopholes to keep sending money to Ukraine.
keep “finding” these huge sums of moneythat were misappropriated the first time to send to Ukraine “again”.
maybe 10% for the big Guy is down to 7% now?
Bob Fosse
Republicans suddenly fake concerned about the homeless and veterans now they have an ‘excuse’ not to give them anything. Do you really believe the money given to Ukraine was going to be given to the homeless and veterans? You didn’t give a hoot about them previously, don’t get all socialist now.
ian
As someone mentioned above main problem is they're running out of manpower as well
wallace
The homeless and VETS don't need missiles.
John
And yet, he/she speaks reads and especially writes the English language at a far higher level than Larry spelled backwards. (There’s a metaphor in there somewhere.)
ian
Can't really fully commit if dependent on Russian fuel
FizzBit
Typical. Polish leaders running away from their own citizens who disagree with them.
Paving stones thrown at Polish police in farmer protest, injuring several officers
https://abcnews.go.com/International/wireStory/polish-farmers-angrier-stage-large-protest-ukrainian-imports-107841164
ian
No need , Biden has seen much further ahead
Blacklabel
Won’t Russia stop once Trump is re-elected?
HopeSpringsEternal
More weapons will not change war outcome, Ukraine's out of manpower mobilization and lacks artillery shells.
Pope is right, Ukraine committing suicide, even though more of its people want peace every day according to polling, including NHK and their top General Z who just stepped down, his view that Ukraine cannot win etc.
Russia has no problem with peace talks, has no issue with the Ukrainian people, only the Kiev Regime and their brutal Civil War against their many millions former citizens who are now Russian Federation citizens.
Peace problem resides in US, special interests in 1600 keen on war, often termed war Globalists & NEOCONS. Much of US political establishment and polling moving away from supporting war. Biden's now negative double digits on Ukraine war, Trump's declared he'll end it.
Bob Fosse
Who knows?
I think the best way to deal with a crisis is tackling it today rather than imagining what you dream might happen in the distant future.
wallace
Trump has already told Russia "it can do the hell it wants".
John
More wish-casting from the Putin fan club.
the UA has already repeatedly proven that properly equipped and funded, it is more than capable of stomping the rabble that is the Russian “army” into the ground.
nik
Poland and some other Western countries feel their guilt and role in this conflict, which is why these countries are afraid the most. After the end of the conflict, she can really “fly” for her assistance in the war. Everyone was simply deceived by declaring that Russia has no army, no trained soldiers, no ammunition, no weapons, clothes, no normal food. Everyone was told that Russian soldiers fight with shovels and baseball bats))) All They believed and quickly began to participate in the conflict, and now I understand “whose meat the cat ate”
Blacklabel
November is the “distant future” to you? Hilarious.
so if electing Donald J. trump stops the war, would leftists do that? To save lives and “the world” and all? Doesn’t sound like too much to consider.
but then again Putin endorsed Biden so…think he knows the war stops when Trump is elected too.
Blacklabel
what were the specific dates of this occasion?
Blacklabel
IF countries don’t contribute their fair share to their own defense, yep. that can be done to those countries.
Not a bad thing for these countries to consider, no freeloading.
JboneInTheZone
No? Why was the spring counter offensive basically a failure if that’s the case?
itsonlyrocknroll
German Chancellor Olaf Scholz and French President Macron have refused to send Ukraine there stockpiles of medium/long-range cruise missiles.
it a an outrage to leech parasite of the US tax payer.
Bob Fosse
45 and his loony fans have been claiming he could stop the war since it began. So for several years. Nothing hilarious about it though, just pathetic.
Haaa Nemui
Absolutely zero surprise that other countries in the region would feel a threat from Russia. Back in February '22, most people were still saying Russia wasn't going to invade Ukraine. Now, rightfully, they are not taking anything for granted.
Yrral
This is about priority, people in Haiti are catching hell,and Biden had a timid response,at least the people of Haiti,have demonstrated they fought for their liberation against French colonial rule and have lived free linger than the people of Ukraine and Russia for more than 200 years
John
February 2022: The UA stops the Russian envelopment of Kiev.
Autumn 2022: The UA throws back initial rRussian advances and retakes 1/2 their initial losses.
Bakmut: Russians suffer 50,000 casualties to “take” a pile of rubble for zero strategic gain.
Last 2 years: The Black Sea “fleet” is rendered combat ineffective and abandons the Western Black sea enabling Ukrainian exports in spite of the fact that Ukraine has no navy.
3 front-line NATO facing armies functionally destroyed. Rebuilding them will take years.
2/3 of Russia’s modern tanks destroyed. They now routinely use 70 year old T-55s.
The mighty Russian Air Farce has disappeared due to combat losses.
Russia has yet to achieve a single strategic objective.
Properly equipped and supported, the UA kicks the Russian’s ass all the way back to Russia.
JboneInTheZone
Then why is Russia still in Ukraine? Why was the spring offensive generally considered a failure? I support Ukraine and am impressed with their capabilities but you’re coping right now
John
This one would have told Churchill to pay up or else during the Blitz.
This one would have abandoned the UK denying aid and thus abandoned Europe to the Nazis.
It’s obvious and telling.
itsonlyrocknroll
Putin can smell EU/UK weakness, its dovish mollification, the cowardly yellow streak of capitulation.
Hitler Germany sensed the same "peace in our time" to dodge escape the perils of war.
The spineless need to kowtow, to betray Ukraine its people.
John
Because the UA lacks shells and air power.
But that’s coming. As is the end of Russia’s time in Ukraine if the funding comes through.
HopeSpringsEternal
Keep my asking myself, why still fighting in Ukraine? More weapons only increase the depth of failed state.
2014 Civil War's over, former Russian speaking Ukrainian citizens achieved legal independence. These many millions fought in order to not be Ukrainian citizens.
Not in Ukraine's interest to collapse with a permanent enemy next door. Pope's right, like Yugoslavia, matter of partitioning, peace will return over time. Even easier as no ethnic tensions, just political tensions stemming from US regional destabilization post USSR 1991 until this day.
JboneInTheZone
But they had them during their major spring offensive and still failed to make any real meaningful progress
John
You are mistaken. They lacked air power without which maneuver warfare is nearly impossible.
With air power, AAD weapons and more shells and armor, the UA will beat the Russians.
ted williams
Non-Ukrainians are a tough lot.
They are very brave and will fight till the last Ukrainian.
Btw, Ukraine still accepts volunteer fighters, John.
HopeSpringsEternal
Russia's domestic artillery shell production estimated to be 3x greater than that of all of Ukraine's supporters. This does not include NK and Iran production, with China facilitating everyone in reality, indirect support.
There is no winning war path for Ukraine, just failed state suicidal path, Pope's right. It's really a matter of physics.
Quo Primum
Wow.
Biden is giving American taxpayers' money to a corrupt foreign power without Congressional approval -- money that, if it's being "saved," should be returned to the American people in the form of a tax break or re-purposed for AMERICAN use.
And then the "progressives" have the utter gall to claim that Trump is a "threat to democracy."
Biden is slipping our tax dollars to a corrupt foreign power without the people's say-so as represented by their elected officials in Congress.
This is a textbook example of taxation without representation. Wasn't there a revolution fought over that?
JboneInTheZone
This sounds like a cope that could be applied to any war throughout history.
With air power, AAD weapons and more shells and armor, the Nazis will beat the Allies.
*With air power, AAD weapons and more shells and armor, North Korea will beat the South Korea.*
Blacklabel
he can. That’s why Putin endorsed Biden.
HopeSpringsEternal
Agreed with above, except the term spineless. UA no matter the support cannot win, their General Z and Pope said the same, sometimes it's best to call it a day and cut your losses, which are already extraordinary.
Quo Primum
$300 million is "relatively small"?
And if it's "relatively small," how is it going to substantially help?
And if it's only for a "short amount of time," is it even worth it?
A short amount of time until what? Until Ukraine loses, which is what is inevitably going to happen?
I hope a federal judge blocks this. This sort of thing is supposed to go through Congress -- Biden shouldn't be allowed to unilaterally give our money away like that.
I don't want to hear any more talk from the left about how Trump is, or will be, a "dictator."
Because what Biden is doing is exactly how dictators act.
itsonlyrocknroll
For once forget about Biden/Trump concentrate on the ramifications for political diplomatic stability for Eastern Europe if Ukraine is forced to surrender its sovereign territory.
Putin will be emboldened to restructure Eastern Europe to a more soviet union map.
EU/UK soft underbelly of political diplomatic compromise, conciliatory pretence will simply grovel.
itsonlyrocknroll
It will, it is right now, what toxicity awaits when Putin steps down?
OssanAmerica
Yes he is. Look how he's single handely managed to expand NATO membership. Look how long his little Special Military Operation is taking. Look how Russia is now going begging to North Korea. Oh he's an idiot alright.
proxy
One thing is for sure; Russia will not attack a NATO country and anyone stating otherwise is fear mongering.
itsonlyrocknroll
HopeSpringsEternal, agreed Ukraine cannot prevail without EU/UK picking a side.
To stand in full military support of Ukraine.
The risks are obvious, however Putin is a despot, dictator, wedded to a past, Europe foolishly believed was over.
In some respects Russia was cheated, another future thread
In the here and now brings Europe on the brink trapped in its own foolish complacency.
Joe Biden administration and the US tax payer will bail us out.
No more
Antiquesaving
But wait:
https://www.france24.com/en/europe/20240311-zelensky-russia-advances-ukraine-halted
So who is telling the truth?
You cannot have it both ways.
Russia advance halted but Poland says differently!
If little Ukraine as we are continuously told is winning or halted the Russians then how can they be a threat to a NATO country!?
The west needs to get it's propaganda in order!
It is stuff like this that is the reason support for Ukraine has been dropping pretty much everywhere!
kurisupisu
Easy for Biden to keep sending American money to foreign countries-it is not his!
Every year under Biden, prices in the US have been rising.
Taxes rising too!
Americans keep on giving…
UChosePoorly
So does Russia. So what?
UChosePoorly
Because we are strong. But obviously need to up our capabilities since China and Russia still think they can beat us. They can’t.
Antiquesaving
You do fall deeply into the false information hole:
Russia was pulling back because it thought it had reached a deal in the negotiations in Turkey when Boris Johnson showed up and kebashed the whole deal.
Really? No strategic value ?
If that was so why did Ukraine put its foot down or it claim to put his foot down and say it was strategic? Oh right because it's a crossroads city and they both needed it.
Not to mention the fact that right after that they took more territory on the other side.
And again another propaganda ploy that seems to work Ukraine claims and the West claim is that they have destroyed 25 ships. Problem is they didn't. They have destroyed 25 vessels. Most of them being boats. There's a difference and most of them being patrol boats and tugboats a few landing crafts. A couple of actual ships and a sub that was already in dock not functional so no the black fleet is not rendered combat ready ineffective.
If you wish you can look it up.
And your proof on this one. Apparently it's Ukraine that is on the manpower shortage that according to Zelenski and Zaluzhnyi Who have basically said they need more men at this point. Planning on lowering the conscription age.
Russia on the other hand, even by US reports has halted or slowed down volunteer recruitment because they can't handle the volume.
And according to New York Times, CNN and pretty much everybody else, Russia is out producing the entire NATO and Western nations anywhere between three to seven times in ammunition and equipment.
And again the tank debunked debunked and then debunked again including Reuters having to print a retraction.
The only t55s being used are rightfully in the back as a quick cheap mobile artillery and that is always been the policy. Nothing new. Just for your information, that means they're not being used as tanks.
Funny zelensky was just complaining about the fact that the Russian Air Force keeps dropping FAB 500 and FAB 1500 along with thermal barrack bombs and begging for anti-air equipment and more jets.
And the last battle for Avdiivka The Russian Air Force was dropping approximately 100 FABs a day. That sounds like a Air Force that's actually still going.
Do you know something? We don't know what were the targets. How do you know they haven't achieved a single target? Seems that they've taken a good chunk of territory. They've achieved the land bridge between Crimea and Russia, so I'm guessing David Chief some of their goals.
I'm guessing you believe Zelenski's 31,000 killed despite everything showing otherwise. Ukraine is so desperate for conscripts that it has units scouring the streets checking identification to try and force more men into the military it is planning on lowering the conscription age to try and compensate it once had a million men and today it barely has 600,000 and even they are admitting they are running out of men.
I don't support either side and I don't care much for Russia but sometimes reality checks are in order and this whole idea that Ukraine is going to push Russia all the way including Crimea is a pipe dream.
ok1517
HopeSpring .....
No, it wasn't a civil war, it was overthrowing the legal government in those areas.
Those "Russian speaking Ukrainian citizens" didn't achieve legal independence at all, too many of them were deported, killed!
It wasn't millions, as you like to claim, but a Russian invasion!
Against all rules and laws set by the international community.
Ukraine prevails!
UChosePoorly
And here I was wondering how you could type so fast, lol
itsonlyrocknroll
Antiquesaving you clearly have a knowledge understand of the underlining political milltary stalemate and the consequences for whole of Europe
It must have taken some time to research and then to build such a comment.
I don't support either side and I don't care much for Russia but sometimes reality checks are in order and this whole idea that Ukraine is going to push Russia all the way including Crimea is a pipe dream.
OK, Putin will not about face and withdraw.
This could set the future theme for a political impasse in Europe.
Whatever the next US administration this could bring about a/the prospect of compete disconnect of trust and east west strategy for US/EU relations.
Blacklabel
So Putin wants to continue the war, right?
who being president allows this war to continue to happen? Joe Biden
this is why Putin prefers Biden.
So why don’t we “screw” Putin, elect Trump instead, and get this war stopped?
Antiquesaving
Oh please!
Quit with the bravado!
Russia isn't interested in doing so despite the propaganda and even more because it would end up a nuclear disaster for all sides.
Even the most pro USA analysts have pointed out the USA and the west are not prepared for a full scale ground war, they long ago shifted production and strategy to insurgency and regional conflicts.
Even the most pro USA analysts say it will take at least 2 to 3 years and a declaration of total war footing for the USA to retool and switch back to full scale ground war production.
As Russia never switched, it continued with the strategy of full scale ground war, it kept old factures mothballed but ready throughout it's territory, it kept every single older tanks and piece of older artillery in storage to be repurposed and parts used or in many cases like artillery and tanks called up to used as mobile artillery and close range artillery.
Poland can make all the claims it wants but anyone looking at the facts knows Russia is not going to attack any NATO country this is pure scaremongering!
But then isn't the west and zelensky always saying Ukraine is winning and it has halted Russian advance?
So how can on one hand you and others say Ukraine is winning, going to win, halted Russia but then say it will attack NATO countries?
The two don't go together!
TaiwanIsNotChina
Considering "I have President Putin, he just said it’s not Russia", Putin knows the war might stop with him holding the goody bag if Trump is elected.
Jimizo
Trump himself said he’d be a dictator on day one. Can’t blame ‘the left’ for that.
Probably but hard to tell. Putin is an unhealthy old man with an outdated worldview in charge of a country on the decline. A bit unpredictable.
Sounds like you are making a good case for NATO expansion. I take it you welcomed Sweden joining the club.
Jimizo
You are making the mistake of believing Trump would do what he says.
This man has a track record of not delivering and scamming the less able.
Once bitten and all that.
TaiwanIsNotChina
We know pathetic Russia isn't a threat to NATO but "little" Ukraine (which isn't that little, btw) is another matter. Your words for Ukraine proves your pro-Russian bias.
Utter garbage but points for consistency for keeping pushing it. Ukraine removed the invaders from Kyiv. Even pathetic Russia doesn't pull back before a deal is signed.
We know faceplanting in Kyiv, Kharkiv, and Kherson wasn't part of the plan.
itsonlyrocknroll
After such a conflict, the losses, the destruction, the global reaction.
I would struggle to surmise, had both Putin and Zelenskyy had chosen, with the benefit of hindsight or doubt stop, never to embark on such a path either seemingly cannot find an escape route.
UChosePoorly
AS - if Ukraine has to fight off Russia alone, do you think they would have lasted this long?
Antiquesaving
Tell us what is the obsession that the west has with Russia?
Why for hundreds of years the west has a near pathological obsession of taking down, invading etc...Russia.
It is surprising how some claim to know history and facts then ignore them!
Big bad Russia.
But the only examples anyone can and do fall back on was the eastern Europe occupation after WW2.
They ignore the fact that The USSR was once again attack by a western European country leading to that occupation.
Ignore that WW1 again it was a western country that declared war on Russia, Napoleon, Prussia, even the Crimean war the West had to puts it's nose into that one.
Sadly and historically the area of Ukraine has been the natural barrier/defense line between Russia and the west and anyone with half a brain knew this, and any alignment with the west and more so with NATO was going to trigger a response by Russia, they knew this and did it anyway!
TaiwanIsNotChina
We used to say Putin wouldn't be dumb enough to invade a country of 44 million on Europe's doorstep but here we are. There are plenty of grey area actions and an attack on Moldova to consider.
There was a time when the Republican party could be counted on not to surrender to our adversaries. Those days are over clearly.
Defense industry is 3% of gdp. Would be a pretty limited group of politicians supporting Ukraine if that was all that was at stake.
None of these are involved in the current conflict. Most have moved on because they are adults and not children like Russians.
Blacklabel
no no Putin would stop the war himself. Cause he and Trump are such homies, right?
he’s only doing it to make Biden look weak and help trump get re-elected, right?
Or is that fake BS too?
Blacklabel
no idea what that gibberish is even supposed to attempt to mean.
putin won’t be able to continue the war if Trump is elected, so screw Putin by electing Trump!
trump 2024!
TaiwanIsNotChina
Russia keeps moving west, for one.
And the Russian Empire occupations prior to WW1.
Here we go again: Russia can commit any crime it wants because someone smudged its puma.
Crimea still doesn't belong to Russia.
Ukraine is not in NATO yet. Putin jumped the gun with his war of aggression because he knew he would loose faster if Ukraine got any stronger.
TaiwanIsNotChina
I'll break it down real simple for you then: Putin might get what he wants if Europe can't put a stop to Trump/Putin.
Jimizo
Eh?
Just to begin and put this somewhere in the realms of an intelligible point, could you explain your reasoning why Putin would stop the war himself?
Blacklabel
putin wants to continue the war.
that’s Joe Biden, not Trump.
TaiwanIsNotChina
NAFO doesn't stand for anything. I proved how the MIC is a pointless canard. Boris Johnson's visit was in April 2022. Battle of Kharkiv ended in May 2022. And that is before we get into Russians denying Putin ever offered an unconditional ceasefire. QED
Antiquesaving
Here we go again!
Say the facts and truth and now you are a Russian supporter!
No I am just not delusional and point out the facts.
Pre war Ukraine 42 million today 32 million people.
Russia 140 million.
Even Germany has more people.
So yes compared to Russia in size and population Ukraine is little, sorry if facts bother you.
Yes we do know this because Turkey pointed this out even the Pentagon admitted it much later!
I guess you had the Russian plans, why didn't you give them to Ukraine?
TaiwanIsNotChina
Something is fake BS and it starts with believing Putin doesn't engage in maskarovka.
itsonlyrocknroll
Ideology Antiquesaving, the histrionics, trust, years of political conflict, even though allies in the conquest to defeat Nazi Germany.
The Berlin wall, the years of economic policies to build a an ever more wonton need to bring us all to Armageddon.
I really don't need to remind or lecture you on a fact you are already aware.
I believe you have a better knowledge of wonderful world of Russian literature than I do.
So I will leave you at that.
wtfjapan
My guess is Zelenskyy has the Burisma bribery tapes so he really has no choice at all.
LOL absolutely debunked, GOP ran this ruse for over a year, both their whistleblowers have been indicted for either arms deals or having dealings with Russian intelligence, GOP have got NOTHING LOL
Goodluck with that Biden impeachment LOL
wtfjapan
that’s Joe Biden, not Trump.
yeah Trump just wants to force a Ukraine surrender, gifting Ukraine to Putin.
Name me one time Trump has criticized Putin, yeah Putins puppet indeed
TaiwanIsNotChina
Nobody believes Russia retreats willingly for instant. They wouldn't have clung on to the Northern Territories and regions of Georgia if Russia was an adult country.
UChosePoorly
lol, what? I care much more about Ukraine being invaded than I care about Russia.
2020hindsights
proxy
Antiquesaving
Clearly, Putin is interested in expanding beyond Ukraine, they are even saying it on Russian TV. And plans have leaked about possible military action in the Baltics.
wtfjapan
putin won’t be able to continue the war if Trump is elected, so screw Putin by electing Trump!
trump 2024!
Trump wants to withdraw from NATO and force a Ukraine surrender, Trump is a gift for Putin.
Seriously what is Trump going to do force Putin to stop, yeah exactly nothing
John
It says as it spends a page or more carrying water for the invaders.
UChosePoorly
Like if Russia goes home and stops invading other counties, I can guarantee you I will never think of Russia again.
Antiquesaving
There is so much false in your statements it isn't even worth commenting because everything you repeat I have and other have debunked previously.
But I will address this on above.
Nope! Traditionally Ukraine has always been considered eastern Europe and more to the point part of Russia or in the accepted sphere of Russian interests.
Russia may be "moving west" but only because Ukraine is to it's west so it could be moving east could it but you know that!
So basically Russia is still in the east and isn't anywhere near western Europe despite the fear mongering and attempts by some to ignore facts.
John
proxyToday 10:05 am JST
Is that why maps of “Greater Russia” have some or all of the Baltic states in them?
Us that why Putin routinely brings up Poland when discussing the subject?
itsonlyrocknroll
A thought Antiquesaving,
"Our cause is just. The enemy will be vanquished. The victory will be ours"
Difficult to ignore.
2020hindsights
Blacklabel
Of course he will. Trump will stop funding Ukraine and not issue Article 5 if Russia invades a NATO nation. He has said it himself.
Putin is banking on Trump winning the White House. Luckily, Trump won't.
John
Indeed they do.
In fact yesterday, Russians volunteering for the HA invaded their own country!
What a popular “special military operation” Putie’s debacle has become, eh?
BTW, the Russians accept (actually rely on) volunteers from abroad as well.
Why don’t you put consider a promotion yourself?
stormcrow
Republicans should be forced to take an IQ test. We really don’t understand how stupid they truly are.
Help Ukraine now, not after it’s been conquered by Putin!
Antiquesaving
Didn't every leader in history say similar things including Hitler, Stalin, the Royal of Europe and subsequent governments of Europe and the USA while invading and colonizing other places and people?
itsonlyrocknroll
Yes Antiquesaving my friend, they did and still do and will continue to believe steadfastly in such rhetoric.
UChosePoorly
AS- you just need to accept the fact that dictators often have grand ideas about reclaiming past glories and territories. This isn’t a new phenomenon.
zibala
Abraham Lincoln never did any of the above.
Neither did Trump.
Antiquesaving
Debunked even CNN has retracted all the crazy claims of North Koreans, Iranians etc...
The largest " non Russians proper" are ethnic Russians from Ukraine and even that number is small.(Not counting the military from the original breakaway regions).
I can't answer for him, but seeing Russia has put a halt on volunteer recruitment from because they have reached capacity to train so many, Russia would probly say "thanks but no thank you we have enough men"
UChosePoorly
Are you sure you are not getting high on your own supply?
Antiquesaving
Ah yes the " you must be high" comment, used when someone doesn't like facts and has nothing to say of importance!
Well take it up with the Pentagon, they are also saying it!
UChosePoorly
AS - I will say the same thing I have been saying to you in some form or another for two years now: there is no justification for Russia's invasion, the Ukrainians will fight, and decent people will help them.
Gene Hennigh
Well, everybody here is posting comment after comment. Just to shout above the noise for a moment: If Russia invades Ukraine, and everybody on the right says it's good, I ask you: what is to stop them after taking Ukraine from taking other countries? I'm puzzled over that. Okay. Sorry to interrupt.
Antiquesaving
Which dictators?
Those under the guise of a democracy, dictating to the world, or the dictators put in place by those claiming to be a democracy!
Remember Cuba? Still under a USA embargo and what was the crime? Deposing a USA backed dictator!
As I pointed out I don't care for , like, or want anything to do with Putin, but this claim the USA and the west are just defending democracy is a joke!
More often than not in the past 100 years, the USA and the western European country have actually conspired to end freely elected democracies and put in place a pro USA or European government usually and often a dictator or authoritarian government of their liking
Redemption
Why can’t EU send more arms? The US is a mess.
UChosePoorly
Mussolini, Hitler, Putin
Antiquesaving
No what you have been doing or saying for all this time is repeating USA talking points and when that doesn't work you make vague innuendoes of being stoned or a Russian bot, etc....
But insults are the go to for the pro Ukraine when facts prove not to be to their liking!
Antiquesaving
Barista, Pinochet, Argentinian junta, South Korean junta, the shah of Iran, would you like more?
Now the difference between my list and yours is that all those in my list were placed in power with USA backing!
Your list are people that took power internally with outside help!
Funny how that is!