U.S. announces Ukraine weapons package worth $725 million

Good to see Free Ukraine being supported, especially since no one can predict what the Trump administration will bring.

Recent PDA announcements have typically ranged from $125 million to $250 million. Biden has an estimated $4 billion to $5 billion in PDA already authorized by Congress that he is expected to use for Ukraine before Republican President-elect Donald Trump takes office on Jan. 20.

Never know what Trump will do.

If he doesn't want failure attached to his name, he will support Ukraine.

However, he could do something erratic, so best to get all the stuff that Congress authorized over to Ukraine before he takes office.

Hopefully the land mines can be configured with the "year" setting at a minimum.

if russian invaded alaska, i’m sure some maga would say, “fine, let him have it.” if trump said it was ok. lower 48 first. more tax cuts for the rich. nobody knows more about alaska than him.

Hey, we need to do the right thing while we still can.

Mark the date: 2025 will be the year when the US is seen to brazenly abdicate its responsibilities as the world's exemplar of morality.

Good to see Free Ukraine being supported, especially since no one can predict what the Trump administration will bring.

I do, it won’t be anywhere financially where it is now.

Finally President Biden and his administration understand!

Provide Ukraine with all and any military hardware to defeat Putain's marauders!

Hoping for more to come, not just from the US but also other countries (Bundeskanzler Scholz, can you hear me?).

With Donald becoming the "Leader" of the US and his administration going to take care of themselves and their clans, I expect no more assistance to people who are fighting for their freedom, for their survival!

Ukraine prevails! (for more than 1000 days already!)

Relax, they are non-persistent, so they are completely fine.

So why did 160 countries ban them?

bass4funkToday 07:51 am JST

Good to see Free Ukraine being supported, especially since no one can predict what the Trump administration will bring.

I do

You lap up everything Trump tells you and he hasn't told you what he will do yet.

You lap up everything Trump tells

I don’t lap everything what Zelenskyy tells us.

you and he hasn't told you what he will do yet.

Zelenskyy didn’t say how they will negotiate a ceasefire Fire to an un-winnable war.

and he hasn't told you what he will do yet.

he actually has. He appointed Keith Kellogg to implement his plan. Remember that?

Before Putin's good buddy moves into the White House, give the Ukrainians as much as humanly possible to defend themselves.

BlacklabelToday 08:13 am JST

and he hasn't told you what he will do yet.

he actually has. He appointed Keith Kellogg to implement his plan. Remember that?

So continuing to arm Ukraine with some token peace talks. I'm glad MAGAs fall in line so easily when their leader tells them the obvious.

bass,

wrong again!

President Zelenskyy provided a even a peace plan.

There are no alternatives to this peace plan: only Ukraine, the country fighting against this war of aggression, can define what just and sustainable peace looks like.

The points are as follows:

1. Radiation and nuclear safety

2. Food security

3. Energy security

4. Release of prisoners and deported persons

5. Restoration of Ukraine’s territorial integrity (including all illegally occupied areas)

6. Withdrawal of Russian troops and cessation of hostilities

7. Restoration of justice (this goes especially concerning war crimes by Russians)

8. Ecological safety (due to Russia's aggression quite some damage has been done)

9. Preventing escalation and repetition of aggression (security commitments have to be made)

10.Confirmation of the end of the war (in accordance with international laws and regulations).

As for me, I would've even added a couple of points. But this is just the minimum that has to be fulfilled!

Yesterday, Germany also provided military aid. $685 million. The package includes IRIS-T air defense systems, Leopard 1 tanks, and armed drones.

wrong again!

I disagree

President Zelenskyy provided a even a peace plan.

He will not win this war.

There are no alternatives to this peace plan: only Ukraine, the country fighting against this war of aggression, can define what just and sustainable peace looks like.

Ukraine has its own dubious past

1. Radiation and nuclear safety

2. Food security

3. Energy security

4. Release of prisoners and deported persons

5. Restoration of Ukraine’s territorial integrity (including all illegally occupied areas)

6. Withdrawal of Russian troops and cessation of hostilities

7. Restoration of justice (this goes especially concerning war crimes by Russians)

8. Ecological safety (due to Russia's aggression quite some damage has been done)

9. Preventing escalation and repetition of aggression (security commitments have to be made)

10.Confirmation of the end of the war (in accordance with international laws and regulations).

Well, let’s see if the next administration can find some end to this conflict

As for me, I would've even added a couple of points. But this is just the minimum that has to be fulfilled!

We shall see.

I'm glad MAGAs fall in line so easily when their leader tells them the obvious.

yes it IS obvious a peace plan is the way forward here. Not giving them banned weapons.

bass4funkToday 08:25 am JST

wrong again!

I disagree

President Zelenskyy provided a even a peace plan.

He will not win this war.

Large Body does not have any special knowledge into the conflict and he is the one you slavishly follow.

There are no alternatives to this peace plan: only Ukraine, the country fighting against this war of aggression, can define what just and sustainable peace looks like.

Ukraine has its own dubious past

They were never given the chance to be better.

BlacklabelToday 08:28 am JST

I'm glad MAGAs fall in line so easily when their leader tells them the obvious.

yes it IS obvious a peace plan is the way forward here. Not giving them banned weapons.

Well you are going to be giving them something. Time to grab those ankles for the American people for a change.

bass,

sorry (not), but those answers from you ......

Can't you come up with anything better??

wrong again! (me)

I disagree (bass)

President Zelenskyy provided even a peace plan. (me)

He will not win this war. (bass)

Beyond time to show some consistency and apply the Kosovo model here:

Kyiv will be punished for its nasty crimes since 2014, including the coup killings, the Odessa burnings and heinous artillery assaults on the south east - all that slaughtered civilians.

Hiding behind the skirt of NATO/US is like a truant trying to avoid facing the music and the consequences of their actions.

Beyond time to show some consistency and apply the Kosovo model here:

Kyiv will be punished for its nasty crimes since 2014, including the coup killings, the Odessa burnings and heinous artillery assaults on the south east - all that slaughtered civilians.

Hiding behind the skirt of NATO/US is like a truant trying to avoid facing the music and the consequences of their actions.

Why are you so desperate to see Ukraine destroyed? I really would like to know. I mean, it seems kind of pathological.

taxpayers money "well spent" again?

Blacklabel

Relax, they are non-persistent, so they are completely fine.

So why did 160 countries ban them?

Because they are dangerous to civilians long after the war or conflict is over.

However, these are different, they are not dangerous to civilians long after the war or conflict is over.

dobre vam zajebava

taxpayers money "well spent" again?

Yes. But it needs to be more.

I would need a third party confirmation of this. After all, Uncle Sam told the world Agent Orange was simply an herbicide that nobody needed to worry about.

However, these are different, they are not dangerous to civilians long after the war or conflict is over.

JJE

Having the Kyiv regime held accountable for their massive abuses of their own former population is hardly unreasonable.

The ICC hasn't issued any warrants of Ukrainians of arrest for war crimes, but it has for Putin. Let's prosecute that one first.

Ukraine soldier are deserting in the 10 of thousands, abandoned their position

And who is going to use those weapons, ghosts?

Ukraine has a severe shortage of personnel and a more severe shortage of experienced professionals.

Conscripts are not good soldiers and this has been reported by all sides

AP recently had an article about the high rate of desertion with Ukraine prosecuting over 100,000 deserters and another 100,000 still missing.

In 2022 the average age of a Ukrainian soldier was 31 today it is over 43.

Draft age was dropped to 25 and still the average age hasn't changed due to the speed new recruits are lost at the front.

Now the USA wants Ukraine to draft 18 year olds and boost them with landmines, etc..

Can't you all smell the desperation?

When Ukraine lowered the draft age to 25 the rah rah rah Ukraine crowd and the pundits said this would boost Ukraine's military and end the shortage, 500,000 new recruits were going to be drafted, etc.....

Well since then, the number of available soldiers has dropped, Ukraine has lost more and more territory, and in particular more of the important territory.

When does the delusion stop!

This is no more a desperation move by an outgoing moribund dishonest regime in the US, to help another outgoing moribund dishonest regime that is their proxy, who are critical and sinking fast.

Biden cannot issue a pardon for the latter, who will face reckoning and justice.

Printing money without economic activity is synonym of creating inflation, and with it the urge to impose more taxes. It is a way to corner Ukraine with onerous loans it can only repay with productive land, mines, ports, highways that can be turned into toll roads, forced insurance on the population, higher prices. In other words, the country is already sold to the EU and US, and other creditors. This is the truth.

JJE

Biden cannot issue a pardon for the latter, who will face reckoning and justice.

Zelensky has done nothing wrong.

Let's hope Putin faces justice.

Hercolobus

In other words, the country is already sold to the EU and US, and other creditors. This is the truth.

And China owns Russia. So what?

T Guy "2025 will be the year when the US is seen to brazenly abdicate its responsibilities as the world's exemplar of morality."

US- the world's exemplar of morality? That's good. Thanks for the morning humor.

some of weapons may go straight to so called "rebels" or "insurgents" in Syria...some to other markets.

just wondering how possible that we dont read read here about UA troops deserting from frontlines?

let me guess why-just because it does not fit into your narratives?

to hide reality just to create own-a virtual one served to masses like UA is prevailing ,winning and so on?

these money are like taxes thrown in endless pit.will change nothing,will not bring UA even single step close to their "victory",it will just prolong conflict and killing.

"taxpayers money "well spent" again?.....Yes. But it needs to be more."

No, not well spent. Just spent in order to prolong the war and make things harder for the incoming 47 peacemaker . Defeated Biden admin trying to do as much damage as possible on the way out.

dobre vam zajebava

just wondering how possible that we dont read read here about UA troops deserting from frontlines?

We do.

let me guess why-just because it does not fit into your narratives?

No.

And let's not forget many Russians are fleeing the front lines because they are being sent into meat-wave attacks.

Never know what Trump will do."

He already outlined what he will do.

If he doesn't want failure attached to his name, he will support Ukraine."*

That failure is already attached to Biden and his admin.

And China owns Russia. So what?"

Anything substantial to prove this assertion?

Burgerland

"taxpayers money "well spent" again?.....Yes. But it needs to be more."

No, not well spent. Just spent in order to prolong the war and make things harder for the incoming 47 peacemaker .

Well, no. Congress voted for sending this money to Ukraine. A majority of Dems and GOP lawmakers agreed that it was a good use of taxpayer money.

You may disagree, but you would be in the minority.

Defeated Biden admin trying to do as much damage as possible on the way out.

This money has already approved for Ukraine. Biden is just making sure it gets there.

 It is a way to corner Ukraine with onerous loans it can only repay with productive land, mines, ports, highways that can be turned into toll roads, forced insurance on the population, higher prices. In other words, the country is already sold to the EU and US, and other creditors. This is the truth."

Indeed. Ukraine assets are already being gobbled up by "moral US" interests.

https://x.com/RobertKennedyJr/status/1756561127557718286

Burgerland

Never know what Trump will do."

He already outlined what he will do.

And? He also outlined that he would get Mexico to pay for the wall last time. They didn't.

If he doesn't want failure attached to his name, he will support Ukraine.

That failure is already attached to Biden and his admin.

No, it hasn't. In fact the opposite. Biden rallied NATO in support of Ukraine.

And China owns Russia. So what?"

Anything substantial to prove this assertion?

Russia is dependent on China to buy its oil and to supply it microelectronics for arms production. Xi has Putin wrapped around his little finger.

JJEToday 08:50 am JST

Beyond time to show some consistency and apply the Kosovo model here:

The US will not authorize russia's occupation like russia did NATO's.

Kyiv will be punished for its nasty crimes since 2014, including the coup killings, the Odessa burnings and heinous artillery assaults on the south east - all that slaughtered civilians.

46 dead unauthorized by Kyiv is incomparable to the millions dead authorized by Putin.

Hiding behind the skirt of NATO/US is like a truant trying to avoid facing the music and the consequences of their actions.

Only the russian believes they get goodies for animal behavior.

Biden cannot issue a pardon for the latter, who will face reckoning and justice.

Justice would be if Putin spends the rest of his miserable days in a box.

Burgerland

It is a way to corner Ukraine with onerous loans it can only repay with productive land, mines, ports, highways that can be turned into toll roads, forced insurance on the population, higher prices. In other words, the country is already sold to the EU and US, and other creditors. This is the truth."

Indeed. Ukraine assets are already being gobbled up by "moral US" interests.

News alert. Biden forgave the loans.

https://x.com/RobertKennedyJr/status/1756561127557718286

RFK spouting garbage as usual.

This is a Thompson Reuters article, while CNN, ABC, AP even MSNBC, etc... are all now backtracking and starting to give the actual facts about the war and how badly it is going for Ukraine because they towed the government line and now no one believes them and are all on the verge of bankruptcy.

Reuters is still under the Freeland government thumb (no Trudeau is not in charge Freeland is and the ultra Ukrainian nationalist granddaughter of a known NAZI collaborators).

So any article by Reuters that depends on the accreditation of the Canadian government is to be taken with a large dose of scepticism and highly influenced by government control.

Antiquesaving

This is a Thompson Reuters article, while CNN, ABC, AP even MSNBC, etc... are all now backtracking and starting to give the actual facts about the war and how badly it is going for Ukraine because they towed the government line and now no one believes them and are all on the verge of bankruptcy.

Reuters is still under the Freeland government thumb (no Trudeau is not in charge Freeland is and the ultra Ukrainian nationalist granddaughter of a known NAZI collaborators).

So any article by Reuters that depends on the accreditation of the Canadian government is to be taken with a large dose of scepticism and highly influenced by government control.

More conspiracy theories.

BurgerlandToday 09:41 am JST

"taxpayers money "well spent" again?.....Yes. But it needs to be more."

No, not well spent. Just spent in order to prolong the war and make things harder for the incoming 47 peacemaker .

47 is a stable genius who can handle any situation. Our russian commentators assure us of this.

Never know what Trump will do."

He already outlined what he will do.

The same plan to supply Ukraine with weapons that Blacklabel posted?

If he doesn't want failure attached to his name, he will support Ukraine."*

That failure is already attached to Biden and his admin.

Nope. it is attached to the one that abdicates responsibilities should that occur.

Indeed. Ukraine assets are already being gobbled up by "moral US" interests.

Well then they will all be left holding nothing according to your fantasy. That is what you want isn't it?

UnderworldToday 09:15 am JST

JJE

Having the Kyiv regime held accountable for their massive abuses of their own former population is hardly unreasonable.

It is when the stories come from a disgusting police state where independent verification is impossible.

KukuToday 10:04 am JST

A country that cannot cope with the opponent's offensive must surrender in order to save the lives of the surviving population. This is what a reasonable head of this country should do.

Not when surrendering means enslavement.

This is not a law of society, but a law of nature. If you can't help this country win fully, but only give one-day handouts, then you're just making money out of the war.

You are right that the West needs to give much more and they can.

I would not be surprised if I found out that Taiwan has bought two acres of land somewhere in the Odessa region long ago, before the war or during the war, and does not want to lose this acquisition if Russians come. All the land and resources in Ukraine have already been sold and it is not surprising that this war has so many patrons here

I think as usual the russian confuses his own country's method of operating with everyone else's.

Daily mass desertions by Ukrainian military, over 100,000 so far, Russia taking land faster than ever. But it doesn’t matter because UKRAINE PREVAILS!

Day late and a $ short. Ukraine now losing record amounts of territory in the east, getting worse by the day.

Ukraine has insufficient capacity to recruit, train, and equip the UA, meanwhile the Russians are in overdrive and seizing the big MO.

Meanwhile, Ukraine becomes a more failed state by the day as people flee the country, many never to return.

Nobody wants to fight for failed cause after all. Time to cut a deal and stop the madness.

falseflagsteveToday 10:08 am JST

Daily mass desertions by Ukrainian military, over 100,000 so far, Russia taking land faster than ever. But it doesn’t matter because UKRAINE PREVAILS!

Lines remain largely unchanged so you don't have to worry yourself about it.

Hercolobus

Today 09:23 am JST

Printing money without economic activity is synonym of creating inflation, and with it the urge to impose more taxes. It is a way to corner Ukraine with onerous loans it can only repay with productive land, mines, ports, highways that can be turned into toll roads, forced insurance on the population, higher prices. In other words, the country is already sold to the EU and US, and other creditors. This is the truth

A little reminder.

The UK and Canada took until 2006 to finally pay off the lend lease debt from WW2 to the USA.

The Soviet Union, in the end decided to tell the USA to shove it and stopped any repayment.

I suspect the greatest fear the USA and EU have is that if Russia takes all of Ukraine or a change in Ukrainian government happens that is pro Russia, then they to will tell the USA, UK, EU, Canada, etc... where to shove their war debts.

Any new non pro USA Ukrainian government will claim Zelensky's government was illegitimate especially since his turn has been long over, and cancel any *deals " made with companies like BlackRock, etc... and void all agreements to repay for weapons, etc ...

HopeSpringsEternalToday 10:09 am JST

Time to cut a deal and stop the madness.

People don't sign up for enslavement.

HopeSpringsEternal

Day late and a $ short. Ukraine now losing record amounts of territory in the east, getting worse by the day.

Not even close. Ukraine lost record amounts of territory in the first weeks of the war. This doesn't come close.

Ukraine has insufficient capacity to recruit, train, and equip the UA, meanwhile the Russians are in overdrive and seizing the big MO.

And Russia had 45,730 casualties in the month of November. Do you think that is sustainable?

Nobody wants to fight for failed cause after all. Time to cut a deal and stop the madness.

Putin doesn't want a deal.

AntiquesavingToday 10:12 am JST

The Soviet Union, in the end decided to tell the USA to shove it and stopped any repayment.

Not very grateful of them considering they would have lost the war without the US.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lend-Lease#Significance_of_Lend-Lease

.News alert. Biden forgave the loans."

News alert. Ukraine still being gobbled up by "moral US" interests. BlackRock is on a high.

"RFK spouting garbage as usual."

Nope. Biden the "I will not pardon Hunter " liar administration and its minions "spouting garbage as usual."

TaiwanIsNotChina

Today 10:11 am JST

falseflagsteveToday 10:08 am JST

> Daily mass desertions by Ukrainian military, over 100,000 so far, Russia taking land faster than ever. But it doesn’t matter because UKRAINE PREVAILS!

> Lines remain largely unchanged so you don't have to worry yourself about it.

What?

Did you miss the article just a few days ago?

Russia has advanced and is advancing at a faster pace.

Try looking at deepstatemap.

Oh no you didn't miss the article.

https://japantoday.com/category/world/russia-accelerates-advance-in-ukraine's-east1?comment-order=latest

You actually commented,

The Presidential Drawdown Authority, mentioned in the article, relates to old American weaponry and equipment from US reserve stockpiles (I.E. stuff taken off shelves).

Recent reports on this matter indicate the US is facing shortages of many things, with attention shifting to the Pacific and the middle east. There is really not much of relevance to be sent and the elephant in the room is manpower.

Definitely no game changers here and everyone know these AP mines will only get civilians killed.

AntiquesavingToday 10:22 am JST

Accelerating from zero is still zero.

TaiwanIsNotChina

Today 10:14 am JST

AntiquesavingToday 10:12 am JST

> The Soviet Union, in the end decided to tell the USA to shove it and stopped any repayment.

> Not very grateful of them considering they would have lost the war without the US

Not very graceful of the USA to profit over what they and you consistently called a battle over evil.

The Soviet Union lost more than all the rest and the USA tried taking credit and make a profit. A the moral high ground.

I'm curious to know what the resident Russia lovers on here plan to do if and when Russia does achieve its "military goals" (although Putin seems reluctant to spell them out).

Rejoice over the fact that countless thousands of people, including no small number of Russian soldiers, have lost their lives?

Claim that might makes right and that it is perfectly acceptable for a larger country to attack a smaller one because it can?

I mean, what's their endgame?

Do you think that is sustainable?"*

Not for Ukraine. Not sustainable. They need peace not calls for sending more 18 year old boys to fight /die by Biden admin and its supporters.

https://www.economist.com/leaders/2024/09/26/the-war-is-going-badly-ukraine-and-its-allies-must-change-course

People don't sign up for enslavement."

Have any of the "Ukraine must continue to fight " posters sign up for the UAF foreign legion yet? Or is it still easier for you to call for other peoples children to do the dying for neocon interests from a comfy chair half the world away?

TaiwanIsNotChina

Today 10:24 am JST

AntiquesavingToday 10:22 am JST

> Accelerating from zero is still zero

Only if you can't count!

Pasi Paroinen, a military analyst with Finland's Black Bird Group, said Russian forces had taken control of an estimated 667 sq km this month, citing data he said could include some October gains noted with a delay.

> The Russian army captured almost 235 sq km in Ukraine over the past week,

Russian forces had taken 600 sq km in November,

But hey who is actually counting, Right? You say zero the maps say 1000, must be some sort of USA/Ukrainian counting system.

Putin said it quite clearly when the limited ground operation kicked off: neutral status for Ukraine (or what is left of it), demilitarization and denazification.

Nobody wants to fight for failed cause after all. Time to cut a deal and stop the madness.....Putin doesn't want a deal.

Wrong. Putin stated numerous times he is open to negotiations and settlement. Warmongers in defeated Biden administration and their supporters don't want a deal and are now keep pushing Ukraine to draft more 18 year old boys to die for their neocon goals. Good to know peacemaker Trump will get both sides to sit down at a table and "do the deal" soon. Only a few months to go.

JJEToday 10:33 am JST

Putin said it quite clearly when the limited ground operation kicked off: neutral status for Ukraine (or what is left of it), demilitarization and denazification.

You can say enslavement. We know that is what russia is after.

BurgerlandToday 10:31 am JST

People don't sign up for enslavement."

Have any of the "Ukraine must continue to fight " posters sign up for the UAF foreign legion yet? Or is it still easier for you to call for other peoples children to do the dying for neocon interests from a comfy chair half the world away?

My calls for them to keep fighting (which I don't, that is their business) are as meaningless as your calls for their surrender.

Wrong. Putin stated numerous times he is open to negotiations and settlement.

Negotiations after Ukraine retreats only. Apologists leave that critical part out.

Good to know peacemaker Trump will get both sides to sit down at a table and "do the deal" soon. Only a few months to go.

Still no plan in public.

Anything substantial to prove this assertion?.( China owns Russia ) ....Russia is dependent on China to buy its oil and to supply it microelectronics for arms production. Xi has Putin wrapped around his little finger.

This is not "substantial proof", just your opinion.

Not very grateful of them considering they would have lost the war without the US."

Not very grateful of the current US admin propagandists to deny Russia did the lion's share of fighting/ dying against the Nazis in WW2.

Burgerland

Nobody wants to fight for failed cause after all. Time to cut a deal and stop the madness.....Putin doesn't want a deal.

Wrong. Putin stated numerous times he is open to negotiations and settlement.

No, he never has. He has always put unrealistic preconditions such that negotiations are not possible.

Warmongers in defeated Biden administration and their supporters

There aren't any. They all want the war over.

don't want a deal and are now keep pushing Ukraine to draft more 18 year old boys to die for their neocon goals.

No. They don't want a deal that won't end in peace. That's all. A deal with security guarantees from the US would be acceptable.

Good to know peacemaker Trump will get both sides to sit down at a table and "do the deal" soon.

We shall see. I'm not hopeful. If he stands up to Putin, he may achieve something.

Only a few months to go.

Don't get your hopes up.

BurgerlandToday 10:43 am JST

Not very grateful of them considering they would have lost the war without the US."

Not very grateful of the current US admin propagandists to deny Russia did the lion's share of fighting/ dying against the Nazis in WW2.

Not just russia and those people aren't alive anymore. They wouldn't have approved of Putin sending soldiers off to die for jollies, though.

Burgerland

Anything substantial to prove this assertion?.( China owns Russia ) ....Russia is dependent on China to buy its oil and to supply it microelectronics for arms production. Xi has Putin wrapped around his little finger.

This is not "substantial proof", just your opinion.

Sure. But it's more factual than: In other words, the country is already sold to the EU and US, and other creditors. 

;-)

Clear on the streets of Kiev that a deal is coming, the Ukrainian people have given up on this idea of winning the war fantasy. Just a question of timing and details.

As I wrote yesterday, reconstruction cannot proceed if Ukraine were to somehow (too many members oppose) become a NATO member. Thus, neutrality is must, but will there be a path to future Membership for Ukraine?

These weapons are just buying a little more time and to help with the tough peace negotiation leverage etc.

HopeSpringsEternal

Clear on the streets of Kiev that a deal is coming, the Ukrainian people have given up on this idea of winning the war fantasy. Just a question of timing and details.

They are hoping for Zelensky's deal brockered by Trump.

HopeSpringsEternal

As I wrote yesterday, reconstruction cannot proceed if Ukraine were to somehow (too many members oppose) become a NATO member. Thus, neutrality is must, but will there be a path to future Membership for Ukraine?

Neutrality is a non-starter. Unless it is the aggressor (Russia) that neutralizes, which seems fair to me.

These weapons are just buying a little more time and to help with the tough peace negotiation leverage etc.

Or for Russia's economy to collapse...

Good to know peacemaker Trump will get both sides to sit down at a table and "do the deal" soon. Only a few months to go.......Still no plan in public.

Wrong. A 30 second search reveals Trump admin "Kellogg plan" was released publicly months ago. Key points outlined, no need for defeated Biden/Harris admin foot soldiers to worry about too much detail now. More will come in time.

"A detailed "Kellogg Plan" has been released, outlining the Trump administration's approach to resolving the war in Ukraine. The plan was drafted in April 2024, The key points are as follows:

Establish diplomatic relations with Moscow and stop the "demonization" of Putin.

Peace talks. Pressure Ukraine and Russia to agree on a ceasefire and start negotiations.

Incentives for Russia. Delay Ukraine's NATO membership for 10 years. Allow Russia to retain occupied territories. Gradual lifting of sanctions and normalization of relations with the U.S. on the condition of a peace agreement acceptable to Ukraine.

Support for Ukraine. Continued military aid and bilateral security guarantees. Ukraine does not need to officially recognize Russian control over territories, but it must refrain from changing the status quo by force.

Pressure on Kiev. Potentially halt U.S. military aid if Ukraine rejects peace negotiations."

Or for Russia's economy to collapse..."

Our resident experts have been telling us Russian economy is about to collapse for the last couple of years. Not happening.

This is not "substantial proof", just your opinion......Sure. But it's more factual than: In other words, the country is already sold to the EU and US, and other creditors. 

Agree to disagree ;) Substantial part of Ukraine land resources already "sold /under control " of moral US interests.

"My calls for them to keep fighting (which I don't, that is their business)..."

Blatantly untrue.

Still no plan in public.

Trump plan is out there, if you choose not to see it cant be helped.

Regarding economics, again this war has been a boon for the value of real assets/commodities and largely terrible for most financial assets, especially bonds.

Why? Inflation, due to ALL currencies losing their purchasing power of real assets/commodities. The losses in the bond markets have been historical.

Russia is not the country with massive sovereign debt levels. Putin has built a de-dollarized economy, and the world is catching on/BRICS. Many believe the real reason for this conflict was the growing threat of Putin on the $ reserve status.

Anyway, the war will end soon, this support package just buying time for negotiations. UA cannot sustain the attrition fight, war constraint that cannot be solved.

Burgerland

This is not "substantial proof", just your opinion......Sure. But it's more factual than: In other words, the country is already sold to the EU and US, and other creditors. 

Agree to disagree ;) Substantial part of Ukraine land resources already "sold /under control " of moral US interests.

Do you have substantial proof of this?

HopeSpringsEternal

Regarding economics, again this war has been a boon for the value of real assets/commodities and largely terrible for most financial assets, especially bonds.

Why? Inflation, due to ALL currencies losing their purchasing power of real assets/commodities. The losses in the bond markets have been historical.

It's not a boon to anyone, least not the Russian economy. But to suggest that Russia started an imperial invasion of Ukraine to benefit Wall Street is ludicrous.

Russia is not the country with massive sovereign debt levels.

It certainly is. The Ruble has tanked. They have reduced their sovereign wealth fund massively.

Putin has built a de-dollarized economy, and the world is catching on/BRICS. Many believe the real reason for this conflict was the growing threat of Putin on the $ reserve status.

Nobody wants Rubles and Putin is running out of US$. BRICS won't have an alternative any time soon.

Anyway, the war will end soon, this support package just buying time for negotiations. UA cannot sustain the attrition fight, war constraint that cannot be solved.

It won't end without security guarantees, so don't expect peace any time soon.

Burgerland

Or for Russia's economy to collapse..."

Our resident experts have been telling us Russian economy is about to collapse for the last couple of years.

Not that I noticed. "Official" Russian GDP figures have always been pretty rosy thus far.

Not happening.

You should take a look! Inflation, interest rates, bankruptcies, plummeting Ruble...

sorry (not), but those answers from you ......

What?

Can't you come up with anything better??

Like?

I disagree (bass)

It’s a free world, they don’t care.

He will not win this war. (bass)

Very true

We have been hearing this story of Russian economy collapsing, and still is stronger than ever, as opposed to US real war economy. Funny how some people still try to associate morality to Washington. 

There is nothing moral about Wall  Street records while hundred thousand people are dying in Gaza and Ukraine

Daily mass desertions by Ukrainian military, over 100,000 so far, Russia taking land faster than ever. But it doesn’t matter because UKRAINE PREVAILS!

If that is true, why do they keep asking us for more money? Anyway, Zelenskyy knows his freebies of US taxpayers giving him free money to fight this war is coming to an end in about a month.

Fos

We have been hearing this story of Russian economy collapsing, and still is stronger than ever, as opposed to US real war economy.

The US doesn't have a war economy. The US arms manufacturers have been mostly uninterested in this war.

Russia on the other hand has a full on war economy. It increased spending in 2014 and even more in 2015.

Funny how some people still try to associate morality to Washington.

I would say it's funny. Foreign policy has nothing to do with morality. It's about power.

There is nothing moral about Wall  Street records while hundred thousand people are dying Ukraine

Yeah. But Putin didn't invade to help out Wall Street. That's an indirect consequence and not a big deal.

BBC now actually reporting on the dismal moral in Ukraine army, the failiure of the Kursk gamble, and mentioning the litany of Ukraine failures in the past (which were always swept under the rug) all adding up to ultimate capitulation.

Even the BBC. Prepping the hitherto propagandized western public for the inevitable.