Jan 6 panel calls for insurrection, fraud charges against Trump

At last! Finally! Americans are getting bored and tired of playing with the new toy they have been playing with for six years.

Donalty Trumpty sat on the wall.

Donalty Trumpty had a great fall.

And all the king's horses and all the king's men.

Shall never ever put Donalty Trumpty together again.

He's not going anywhere yet. He's about to torpedo the next election for the Republicans too. There are enough MAGA people to keep Trump moving in the GOP, but not enough MAGA to get him elected to the country.

Start making popcorn, this one will be fun.

The more the US Government (Democrats) goes on with this, the more it backfires upon them - it's "clearly" a Political Witch Hunt, and everything done so far, has been made out to look exactly like that ; how can the US really break free of this Partisan prejudice against an individual without letting the Public, whom they supposedly democratically represent, decide themselves.

The Democrats, if they were smart, would simply let Trump be, ... as if they are truly, to be believed, then he, and he alone, is, his own worst enemy, and the General Public will turn on him as a consequence, since most American's aren't stupid, as some would like to make out ... and I guess, even a stereotypical Hillbilly, can tell apart a Shyster Townie/City slicker from a normal person when they meet them.

However... everything that's currently going on in the US, is like a bunch of idiots simply trying to pour gasoline onto a fire in order to make what's burning simply disappear... how can they not see this ?

its a good first step. While it is true that the DOJ neither needs a referral nor is bound by one, the 1/6 committee laid out, using the testimony and evidence of Republican witnesses (many appointed by the Dotard) a compelling narrative of stunning betrayal of the FFG’s oath of office.

He conspired to, planned for, and participated in an insurrection to overthrow the government and to overturn the results of a free and fair election that he objectively lost.

The evidence of his guilt is abundant and overwhelming. Criminal acts of both commission and if omission through an intentional failure to act.

I look forward to reading the report which will be made public shortly in its entirety. No fat Bill salting the ground for a couple of weeks here.

Next it’s up to the Special Prosecutor who does NOT report to Gym Jordan to pick up the case (he’s already doing that), add to his case (there’s 1/6 testimonies that have not yet been shared) and to move forward expeditiously because for America, justice delayed is justice denied - the Dotard’s entire strategy.

AND, while watching Trump held to account for some of his MANY crimes will surely be delicious, the man couldn’t plan a fart There were people, a lot of people who helped him plan, organized the logistics, and gave the useful idiots on the front lines their “suggestions.” They need to face justice as well.

This isn’t the end of the beginning. That was the day after the election was called for its actual winner Joe Biden.

No, this is the beginning (granted a first step of a long, LONG road) of the end of Trump, of Trump Org. And of the neo-fascist movement “Trumpism.”

The Wapo article out yesterday on how isolated and delusional he is down in Laredo-land paints a picture reminiscent of a 76 year old washed up movie starlet waiting by the phone between facials for the call from the studio that never comes.

“I’m ready for my close-up, Mr. Demille…”

@Desert Tortoise - what do you mean ... the two "B's" ?

Sorry, not being an American.. I've got no clue, but just sitting on the sidelines, I've been watching this whole US Debacle unfold. I could envisage .. Putin sitting in a beach chair, eating Popcorn and having a laugh at every twist and turn, whilst pressing buttons (aka Flash Gordon style) to cause the next hiccup in US Political infighting.

No, this is the beginning (granted a first step of a long, LONG road) of the end of Trump, of Trump Org. And of the neo-fascist movement “Trumpism.”

Neo-Facism in the US already has a new champion. It's called "Common Good Constitutionalism". It is potentially more dangerous than anything Mr. Trump could have achieved.

https://www.thefire.org/news/blogs/ronald-kl-collins-first-amendment-news/new-movement-common-good-constitutionalism

letting the Public, whom they supposedly democratically represent, decide themselves.

There are things called laws, which even elected officials have to follow.

If Trump is charged, he will be judged by a jury of his peers. As is always the case.

If you Trump supporters think this is all just a frivolous political game with bogus charges, you have nothing to worry about when the citizen jury make their decision.

Right?

Excellent!!..

This will be a very hard blow for the MAGA gang..

I hope the great narcissistic clown is prosecuted, but it would also be fun to see him make a fool of himself again in the next elections..

As an outsider, under the same Laws that the "Democrats" are using, they may as well as ban Republican States from participating in any Election henceforth.

The US needs to fix their infighting and fix it promptly as without doing so, they're weakened on an International viewpoint, and that's regardless how you Americans wish to lay the blame internally... it seems to me that the US is simply a "lame duck".... having fallen into Putin's hands, and those of it's arch Enemies, through its own infighting, which is simply being manipulated further to the gain of it's own Arch Enemies for their own gain... Simply, idiotic! And so completely blind-sighted.

American's fighting Americans... when, they really should be looking outwards towards where their real enemy is... who is waiting in the groves, waiting to pounce and defeat what's left after their own infighting has died down... so Stupid. So Historically predictably stupid on both sides of the American Political Divide.

George Conway said it best, “There is no legitimate legal defense.”

And…..

This doesn’t cover the:

Fake Electors special Grand Jury

Stolen Documents special grand jury

Georgia Election interference special grand jury.

These are 3 separate Federal Grand juries looking at criminality by Trump specifically.

In addition, we have:

NY state criminal investigation of Trump org.

NYC criminal investigation if both Trump org and Trump personally

GA state special grand jury into election interference.

Trump is the Harvey Weinstein of political and tax crime in that he’s guilty as hell, and there are SO MANY different crimes that he probably cannot even participate in his own defense because he can’t remember them all.

That’s ok, Jack Smith can “remind” him….

"No man who would behave that way at that moment in time can ever serve in any position of authority in our nation again," she said.

Cheney and the Republicans went from saying he was unfit for office during the 2016 campaign before he won the nomination to supporting every outrage and crony scheme Trump did.

They are as complicit as his family and hold political power above all else.

I hope this places Trump in hard core jail for 100 years.

Desert,

I’ll have a look sometime today. Thanks for sharing.

But I’m slightly optimistic that the fever has broken and silly arguments to evade the constitution and disenfranchise voters with bromides like “common good” will be seen as, well, silly.

Trump fans should get ready to receive another round of fundraising emails.

Help me! I'm a victim! Give me your money!

Overall the committee did an excellent job of methodically laying out their findings. To support Trump at this point is a vote for authoritian rule.

He's damaged goods.

I don’t believe he’ll go to prison. He should but I doubt he will.

At least it’s the end of him. Recent events will prevent him from doing anything more meaningful than another line of trading cards.

Yippee Ki-Yay Trump mofo !

Bob,

You might be right, however….

The crimes are of such magnitude, and any home confinement would be viewed as a slap on the wrist.

I think that incarceration is a distinct possibility.

I don’t believe he’ll go to prison. He should but I doubt he will.

It's doubtful. No matter how much the US preaches that no man is above the law, they treat rich people differently under the law. And he's a rich man. He'll get house arrest maybe, but he'll never serve a day in prison.

@plasticmonkey

Sadly, there is no fair trial here, given the emotions of individuals of such Polarization - which is my whole point! And the fact that none of you can see this... is simply going to be the whole demise of the US in its entirety.

I do not give a hoot about Trump or Biden, and neither Democrats nor Republicans, I'm not a US Citizen - ... but when I see the so called Bastions of Democracy becoming Bastards towards each other, and with their self-defeating push upon the whole Democratic premise regardless where it exists, then we are all lost..

Well, well, well, who would have never thought an American president would have ended up in this situation? Probably the very worse of Trump. Twice impeached. Forced to close his foundation for fraud and misconduct. Forced to close his university. Business investigations for fraud. Removing classified documents to his private club.

The president is supposed to be the very best not the very worse.

Trump wrote his own history and can have no complaints.

TokyoOldMan, you don't have to be from America. Just imagine a politician from your own country trying to cancel your vote and overturn an election. You might take it more personally than you are when it happens somewhere else.

And if you have a problem with any of the evidence or testimony presented, let's hear it. At this point all your offering is repetitive posts about your feelings.

Sadly, there is no fair trial here, given the emotions of individuals of such Polarization - which is my whole point! 

Are you suggesting that the United States put its judiciary in deep freeze until Americans fix their emotions?

Or do you have some issue with the substantiated accusations against Donald Trump. Just come right out and tell us what the issue is.

Good luck finding an impartial jury for a trial. Love him or hate him, everyone has an opinion about him.

It’s a little bittersweet that he’s fading, I’ll miss the laughs.

Still, “Better than Lincoln, better than Washington” best comedy video of the year, I’ll get years worth of chortles out of that one.

Much of what the U.S. does affects the rest of the world.

All Politicians Globally should watch and understand "Star Trek".

The Jury in the Trump org case didn’t have any trouble convicting him. The case against him for having his thugs beat up protesters was settled very quickly because the empaneled jury was “not sympathetic” to his argument and was going to hand him his rather sizable arse in a verdict.

In any criminal case, jury selection will be the ballgame.

You don’t need a group of Trump haters to get a conviction. All you need is 12 people to look objectively at the evidence and a conviction will arrive as if by magic.

This guy isn’t OJ and he’s not standing trial in MAGA-land.

It will be very hard for the DoJ not to push forward now after this - they evidence laid before the public is so strong that it is clear that he conspired to overturn an election that he lost.

There may be difficulty convincing a jury - the case has to be watertight because so many Americans don't even care that he committed crimes or are willfully blind.

But if he does go to prison, the next Republican president will release him. DeSantis would love to be the man who pardoned Trump - be both a hero to the American right but also to humiliate Trump at the same time.

Donald Trump broke that faith

Everything he has done while in office has been a CRIME. I knew in 2016 that he was an arrogant pouty crybaby with delusions of godhood. He incited violence and hatred at his rallies, sold the nation out to Russia so he could get a Trump Tower in Moscow (didn't get it), and his uncouth sexist/incestuous remarks show that he is a Caligula - most unbecoming and unworthy the head of a civilized nation.

There is nothing respectable or honorable about trump, nothing.

But if he does go to prison, the next Republican president will release him. DeSantis would love to be the man who pardoned Trump - be both a hero to the American right but also to humiliate Trump at the same time.

I respectfully disagree. If the next nominee wins, there is no benefit whatsoever in Pardoning him.

Independents and Democrats hate him. The VAST majority of the GOP wants him gone and he would be just that, GONE, incarcerated, cut off, mute.

No more Dotard sharing its “thoughts” and gumming up policy. No more answering for an imbecile’s racism and anti-Constitutional ravings.

What GOP President WOULDNT want that?

No, I think he’s left to rot - irrelevant and forgotten in a federal prison.

“The recommendations themselves, however, are largely symbolic, as the Department of Justice is not required to look into referrals from congressional committees.”

thanks for playing.

Trump never called for violence at any time. You want to know who did?

https://t.me/gintruth/21972

Watch it then tell me the left are 'peaceful'.

Thank goodness nobody here would be on a jury panel.

Trump fans should get ready to receive another round of fundraising emails.

Which is his right and legal.

Help me! I'm a victim! Give me your money!

Like you never gave money to any political cause, come on now. Lol

Overall the committee did an excellent job of methodically laying out their findings. To support Trump at this point is a vote for authoritian rule. 

How? They achieved nothing. But yes, it was at times, interesting to a lesser degree.

He's damaged goods.

Naw, if that were the case he would have been in prison years ago.

@Superlib

I have no vote, I have a Country of origin - which is completely against me, (UK) as well as the one I live within now (Japan), which is also completely against me, so I am an outcast from all. So, I am totally Apolitical. I call it, as I see it. Which has a lot more to be said than from a lot of those here, who have a blinkered approach towards their "Politics"... siloed and supported by their own unimaginative siloed supporters. (Siloed means you're stuck in a small enclosed rounded space - from which you can't see what's going on around you....)

What you have all seemingly missed, is my impartial comments, I have neither supported one US side nor the other yet.. I seem to rile both sides at the same time... makes you wonder, doesn't it... I guess both sides are "afraid" to answer real questions, when asked of them. Bullying, or "downvoting" is the norm, hey even sometimes if they know of you person whereabouts, they'll even try to intimidate or attack you - just as happened with Elon Musk's kid recently... despicable people.

BelrickToday  08:54 am JST

Thank goodness nobody here would be on a jury panel.

I take it that's your expert legal opinion.

Trump won’t go to prison, but he should be banned from ever holding any public office again.

The Wapo article

Ah yes, because everything the Wapo writes is credible, huh... facepalm

Bass: Which is his right and legal.

No, Bass, it is not his right and it is not legal. At least I think that's what my point was.

How? They achieved nothing.

You said you didn't watch the hearings so I'll take that into account when hearing your opinion about what happened in the hearings.

Naw, if that were the case he would have been in prison years ago.

People don't go to prison for being damaged goods. People lose political standing.

And Trump is damaged goods.

Time for some wuddabouts?

I respectfully disagree. If the next nominee wins, there is no benefit whatsoever in Pardoning him. 

If Trump wins, then what? A lot of these people are going to be suing (as they should) and a lot are going to get paid (as they should) for how they were treated and being held.

Independents and Democrats hate him.

No, the establishment hates the guy, always have 70 million don’t, even if some peeled off, still millions, but these so called hearings are actually helping the guy because it’s turning him into a political martyr.

The VAST majority of the GOP wants him gone

The vast and growing majority of conservatives want the GOP gone.

No more Dotard sharing its “thoughts” and gumming up policy.

Not yet.

No more answering for an imbecile’s racism and anti-Constitutional ravings.

Sadly, the Dems are the last people to utter the race card. Yeah, just don’t go there.

No, I think he’s left to rot irrelevant and forgotten in a federal prison.

No, the guy is definitely not going to prison, nor going to rot. Relax, the Dems tried, but it’s over now.

No, Bass, it is not his right and it is not legal.

Then go after liberals and the other lobbyists if that’s the case. If not, you’re just doing the typical left backed-up in the corner talking points.

You said you didn't watch the hearings

The highlights more than any human should endure.

People don't go to prison for being damaged goods.

Innocent people usually don’t go to prison either, remember that, that includes the politicians

And Trump is damaged goods.

To the establishment, nothing new

TokyoOldMan: I call it, as I see it.

What in the evidence was so flimsy that you deemed this to be a political witch hunt? Please be specific.

I seem to rile both sides at the same time... makes you wonder, doesn't it

And here is the sum of all of your actions....saying this statement.

Took you a while.

Will be surprised if this doesn't flop, just like all the previous attempts to convict him of somethung.

Bass: Then go after liberals and the other lobbyists if that’s the case. If not, you’re just doing the typical left backed-up in the corner talking points.

Dang, it happened again. This also was on my list of potential wuttaboutism ls for Trump fans.

"But what about only prosecuting the right?"

This also was on my list of potential wuttaboutism ls for Trump fans.

Yes it’s almost like you know all the wrong things your team is doing are….wrong.

*Everything he has done while in office has been a CRIME.*

Utter and complete nonsense.

I knew in 2016 that he was an arrogant pouty crybaby with delusions of godhood.

A disrupter, that is what made the guy a rock star. Something Washington needed and I’m beyond glad he did and that DeSantis is following in that path, more refreshing than the typical lie to your face politician that screws the nation over, like the border. This administration says, it’s a lie, it’s safe, trust us. Not a single person in their right mind believes that. Thinking that is the epitome of political arrogance.

He incited violence

He also told people to stand down, listen to the police and leave peacefully, one would call that de-escalation.

and hatred at his rallies,

Towards the establishment, very true.

sold the nation out to Russia

No, he never did, never sold out to the Ayatollah, Maduro or any of our adversaries and made sure we kept the Saudis in our orbit and that’s now lost.

he is a Caligula

Absolutely not. Do you even know who is was and what he did? To even make that kind of comparison is just weird….

*There is nothing respectable or honorable about trump,*nothing.

Not to you, but to millions there is and as long as he’s around, he is indeed a threat to the establishment. That much is true.

Trump faces up to forty years in prison, thousands in fines, and a prohibition on ever running for office again if he's convicted on the four federal charges.

Now up to the DOJ.

So, the FFG organized (actually allowed others to since he couldn’t organize a people on the Titanic to die), conspired to and instigated an insurrection, a coup against the very Constitution he swore an oath to uphold. (As did his idiot “Oaf-keepers”) and tried to overthrow the government and destroy American democracy so that he could stay in power (and not be charged with a crime).

But sure, let’s talk about the D-pics of a cocaine addict (No, not Jr although I’m sure Gargoyle has some).

This is what they’re left with. This is the defense.

Pathetic.

by then the whole process will mean nothing to the leftists, just “symbolic”- same as it is today but that you are super excited over for some reason.

Those Che Guevara beret wearing "leftists" like the Cheneys, Mitt Romney and the Bush clan are ecstatic about the Jan. 6 panel findings.

Same broken record MAGAisms.

Bass: No, Trump never did, never sold out to any of our adversaries

I think believing Putin over your own intelligence agencies would be pretty high on the list of sell outs.

Quite a few of us “leftists” used to vote GOP on occasion (when they didn’t nominate wholly unqualified candidates) back in the day before fealty to a narcissistic sociopath was obligatory.

Trump's rating dropped even before this over his dinner with the anti-Semitic Kanye West and broke bread with him and the white supremacist Nick Fuentes.

Another black mark for Trump.

Yep that’s what team liberal does. Post everything you know is wrong or anything inconvenient to your narrative as a “whataboutism” first. to try to prevent anyone from talking about their legitimate concerns.

I used to do that strategy too when I was a liberal. Much more successfully than the leftists here try to use the technique.

Trump faces up to forty years in prison, 

That just won’t happen

thousands in fines, and a prohibition on ever running for office again if he's convicted on the four federal charges.

Now up to the DOJ.

Nothing will happen. If Garland did that he would put his own party in jeopardy and open up the doorway for the Republicans to do the exact same thing going into 2023 and beyond. They are laying the groundwork for Washington to use its powers to target political opponents they don’t like or want to get rid of, now if Garland wants to go that route, charge him.

Those Che Guevara beret wearing "leftists" like the Cheneys, Mitt Romney and the Bush clan are ecstatic about the Jan. 6 panel findings.

Now that was the absolute funniest thing you have ever said on this site. Seriously!!

Maybe, (hear me out!) just maybe he was an unqualified buffoon who lied his way to the top and committed multiple felonies to cover up all the other felonies culminating in a (really poorly executed - Large Marge Greene will fix THAT!) coup against the government.

That sounds pretty much in line with everything we all witnessed on live tv.

Reading Political views here, is like reading Religious arguments between Catholics and Protestants.

Again, I think you're all not seeing this..

Guilty as charged.

In the rogue state of the USA, anything is possible, even a second term for president Trump.

They are laying the groundwork for Washington to use its powers to target political opponents they don’t like 

Yeah I did notice they also referred every Republican who could possibly be speaker of the house to the ethics panel too.

so yep. Maybe Liz Cheney thinks they will pick her.

Maybe, (hear me out!) just maybe he was an unqualified buffoon who lied his way to the top

If you go by that standard, then a lot of people in Washington shouldn’t be in office, more than a 3rd to be exact.

and committed multiple felonies to cover up all the other felonies culminating in a (really poorly executed -

Then if that were true he would be in prison. He’s not so….

That sounds pretty much in line with everything we all witnessed on live tv

Very hard to stay awake. Wonder what Liz will do now that her career is over and the camera lights of the studio are dark now and the wardrobe staff are asking for their belongings…

Sadly the Polarization within the United states is so ingrained, that there will never be any Unity, their Arch enemies - Russia , China, Iran and North Korea. have simply to attack the US, and will win - hands down, the US is so undecided, they can't agree upon anything !

So Taiwan, had better be afraid.

"" raising the stakes in an investigation that could put the former president in jail ""

IT WONT HAPPEN, The Rich and Famous do not go to jail, and Trump is one of them. If he does, it will be a major win for Democracy.

There are few innocents in all of Trump's family. Those that are, are kept at arm's length.

"" raising the stakes in an investigation that could put the former president in jail ""

IT WONT HAPPEN, The Rich and Famous do not go to jail, and Trump is one of them. If he does, it will be a major win for Democracy.

You might be right, but I’m not so sure….

We never had a “rich” and famous person try to overthrow the government from WITHIN THE GOVERNMENT before so, ….

Maybe don’t rule it out?

Trump has proven over and over again that is is above the law, and he will do it again.

More and more Republicans are saying Trump isn't their guy to run in 2024.

Yeah I did notice they also referred every Republican who could possibly be speaker of the house to the ethics panel too.

Do you think ethically corrupt people (as determined by a bipartisan commission) should be able to run the house?

Actually, you want the guy who tried to steal the election last time to run the country, so I guess we already know the answer to the question.

What I'd like to know is why so many Republicans and people in Trump's inner circle asked for pardons if they thought they weren't doing anything wrong.

I can't say I've ever done that before.

News flash: nobody cares that the addict son of a candidate took pics of his junk and they got out. 

Correct. But that wasn’t all that was on the laptop, sadly.

that’s why he is being criminally referred by Congress (same as Trump!) over guns, taxes and probably money laundering.

More and more Republicans are saying Trump isn't their guy to run in 2024.

Uh-huh from The establishment that is true, nothing new.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/poll-shows-trump-has-the-most-support-in-a-crowded-gop-presidential-primary-he-loves-a-fight/ar-AA15kdTu

as determined by a bipartisan commission)

he said “bipartisan commission”

Yet another reason why DeSantis will win the nomination.

At least five people died after a mob whipped up by Trump's false claims of a stolen election

Really? Even the edited wiki of this doesnt really support the 'narrative', citing "three died of natural causes".

Sounds like we are trying to stretch the truth for hyperbole.

I do not give a hoot about Trump or Biden, and neither Democrats nor Republicans, I'm not a US Citizen - ... but when I see the so called Bastions of Democracy becoming Bastards towards each other, and with their self-defeating push upon the whole Democratic premise regardless where it exists, then we are all lost.

Trump by claiming the election was stolen without evidence to back it up undermined the democratic process. Hysterical morons believed this and went berserk.

This is a threat to democracy. It must be called out by everyone with ant respect for the democratic process.

I’m amazed that an impartial observer like yourself can’t see this.

bass4funk

The Closest Source We Have to Really Knowing John Wilkes Booth Is His Sister

In a post-assassination memoir, Asia Booth Clarke recalled her brother’s passion, his patriotism and his last words to her.

https://www.smithsonianmag.com/history/the-closest-source-we-have-knowing-john-wilkes-booth-is-his-sister-180954328/

Not only that Trump is above the law, but he is above his own supporters as they are finding out.

But I’m slightly optimistic that the fever has broken and silly arguments to evade the constitution and disenfranchise voters with bromides like “common good” will be seen as, well, silly.

It is much darker than a bromide. The lawyers pushing this are affiliated with Opus Dei, a group which views democracy where people chose their leaders as a form of rebellion against god. Their idea of common good is to enforce religious uniformity and what they see as obedience to god on all of society. Do some reading on this subject.

Honestly, who cares any more. The country is (sadly) becoming a laughing stock. Been on a one way trajectory since the day Trump was inaugurated.

wallaceToday  09:54 am JST

More and more Republicans are saying Trump isn't their guy to run in 2024.

Not the American voters I know, as opposed to reading about those supposed persons on a CNN or similar news source.

Regardless, Trump or otherwise--we want a Republican back in the White House.

wallaceToday  09:54 am JST

>    More and more Republicans are saying Trump isn't their guy to run in 2024.

> Not the American voters I know, as opposed to reading about those supposed persons on a CNN or similar news source.

> Regardless, Trump or otherwise--we want a Republican back in the White House.

????

Honestly, who cares any more. The country is (sadly) becoming a laughing stock. Been on a one way trajectory since the day Trump was inaugurated

A bit harsh. Trump is a ridiculous figure but was deservedly, comprehensively and legitimately thrashed in 2020. The people believing his stolen election trash are a minority.

That did restore some respect for the US which is a great country.

Rep. Jamie Raskin, D-Md., took the lead in unveiling the details of the committee’s criminal referrals for Trump and his co-conspirators in the months-long effort to overturn the results of the 2020 election. He explained the committee’s conclusion that there is “more than sufficient evidence” to bring charges against Trump on four specific counts: obstruction of an official proceeding; conspiracy to defraud the United States; conspiracy to make a false statement; and efforts to incite, assist or aid or comfort an insurrection.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/key-takeaways-from-the-house-jan-6-committees-final-public-meeting-213507747.html

Four charges - and in addition this clown still has stolen classified stashed away that he hasn't returned yet...

He's toast....well done toast...

Take his passport...before he jumps on the Trump express to Moscow or Riyadh...

Sure - respect your opinion. For me, Harsh but true.

There was no election fraud. This was the fever-dream of a cult. All lawsuits were laughed out if court because there was no evidence to support ANY of their claims.

The “Elite legal strike force” of Jenna, Sydney and Rudy? They’re all in the process of being disbarred and will be found guilty of defamation with civil liability running into the hundreds of millions each.

The recounts and even the “Cyber Ninja Forensic Audit” (try saying that without laughing. It can’t be done) all prove what we already know: Biden won and Trump lost.

So when lawsuits failed, when recounts failed, when Limp-Mike finally grew a spine, Don did what we all saw on live TV: He set in motion an insurrection that he put in place in advance and had fore knowledge of.

The purpose was to overthrow the results of a free and fair election that he objectively lost, so that he could stay in power.

That’s what happened. We all saw it. And as I said before: There will be a reckoning.

Oh yes, there WILL be a reckoning. This is the first of many steps, but the reckoning has arrived

A bit harsh.

Hardly.

Trump is a ridiculous figure

Vehemently disagree on that one.

but was deservedly, comprehensively and legitimately thrashed in 2020. The people believing his stolen election trash are a minority. 

We don’t know given what has been uncovered in the recent Twitter files.

That did restore some respect for the US which is a great country.

If that were true the Dems would still control the House and the majority of Americans wouldn’t think that 75% the country is on the wrong path.

Trump has never recovered from his historical election defeat by Biden with both the popular vote and the EC vote. I doubt he will ever recover.

@bass4funk: I am sure that 75% do agree the country is on the wrong path. It is. Your political system is on the wrong path on both sides. Two (almost) 80 year olds slugging it out for the Presidency of what SHOULD be the greatest country on Earth?

A bit harsh. 

Hardly

So you agree the US is a laughing stock which started when Trump was inaugurated?

Have it your way but I have more respect for the US than that.

Bass: We don’t know given what has been uncovered in the recent Twitter files.

The Twitter files have evidence showing the 2020 election was fraudulent?

If that were true the Dems would still control the House

All we have is the Presidency and the Senate, voted in by the people.

It seems the Trump supporters are only holding joker cards. No aces.

painkillerToday  10:58 am JST

@JimizoToday  10:52 am JST "A bit harsh. Trump is a ridiculous figure but was deservedly, comprehensively and legitimately thrashed in 2020. The people believing his stolen election trash are a minority. "

A minority who elected a US president.

Ummmm.... you do realise, don't you, that in a country claiming to be a democracy the candidate who gets a minority of the votes in an election is generally supposed to be the loser.

bass4funkToday  10:58 am JST

"Trump is a ridiculous figure"

Vehemently disagree on that one.

You've got the complete set of collector cards, then. Are they as exciting as Trump promised?

bass4funkToday  10:58 am JST

"Trump is a ridiculous figure"

Vehemently disagree on that one.

You've got the complete set of collector cards, then. Are they as exciting as Trump promised?

I hear that for the next batch, if you hurry, Mike Lindel with throw in a virtual pillow for only 9.99 more, lol.

Trump is the worse president since Nixon and probably worse.

A crime with 40 years imprisonment shows the seriousness of it.

We don’t know given what has been uncovered in the recent Twitter files.

The MAGA crowd thrive on ignorance of basic information then double down. Plays to their low info base which Trump loves.

Twitter censorship did exist, but it fell most heavily on anti-capiatlist groups opposing Wall Street as the person who broke it, Matt Taibbi has expressed.

https://www.wired.co.uk/article/twitter-political-account-ban-us-mid-term-elections

It wasn't even a secret.

MAGA takes the cues from Trump as posing as the "left" is always preventing them from their true greatness.

Trump is the worse president since Nixon and probably worse.

A crime with 40 years imprisonment shows the seriousness of it.

I am sorry, Wallace, I have to disagree.

Dotard is easily the worst, period.

He mixes the bloat and corruption of Taft, with the heartless "pain is the purpose" sociopathy of Johnson. He is dumber than W (Something I NEVER thought I would say) and even less competent than Pierce who let the South seceed without doing anything.

Nixon is a tragic figure in that he actually did some pretty good things: Detant with the Soviets, Got the US out of Vietnam, Backed up Isreal in the Yom Kippur War, Clean air and Clean water Act, etc. But he was undone by his inner demons.

Trump is none of what Nixon was. He is a deeply stupid, incompetent living breathing embodiment of the Dunning-Kurger Effect. He has no inner demons because he is a gaping black hole of need.

He is "Less cognitively competent Voldemort" - Just as evil and cruel, but dumber, less competent and uncharasmatic.

NemoToday  08:52 am JST

But if he does go to prison, the next Republican president will release him. DeSantis would love to be the man who pardoned Trump - be both a hero to the American right but also to humiliate Trump at the same time.

I respectfully disagree. If the next nominee wins, there is no benefit whatsoever in Pardoning him.

Independents and Democrats hate him. The VAST majority of the GOP wants him gone and he would be just that, GONE, incarcerated, cut off, mute.

No more Dotard sharing its “thoughts” and gumming up policy. No more answering for an imbecile’s racism and anti-Constitutional ravings.

What GOP President WOULDNT want that?

No, I think he’s left to rot - irrelevant and forgotten in a federal prison.

He should die in prison, in solitary confinement. Irreverent and forgotten because he is a traitor and a sellout - hated by Americans whether they be Dems, GOP, Indys, Greens. He conspired to get his VP hanged and to get all Congress members killed regardless of party affiliation.

wallaceToday  01:46 pm JST

Trump is the worse president since Nixon and probably worse.

A crime with 40 years imprisonment shows the seriousness of it.

Nixon was a crook, he got caught with his mitts in the cookie car. But he was not a traitor. He was not a puppet or a sputnik to a foreign leader. Nixon didn't sell out the USA to another country. No POTUS ever did. And Nixon didn't try to overthrow the government and storm the Capitol either. Trump makes Nixon look like an angel. Trump is a traitor and an antichrist. Huge HUGE difference.

He should die in prison, in solitary confinement. Irreverent and forgotten because he is a traitor and a sellout - hated by Americans whether they be Dems, GOP, Indys, Greens. He conspired to get his VP hanged and to get all Congress members killed regardless of party affiliation.

Agreed. ADX Florence. Isolated 23 hours a day and left stewing in his own juices both literal and figurative.

He really should die behind bars for what he tried to do to American Democracy. No compasionate release for this one.

Alone and forgotten. His entire life a warning to parents, law enforcement and voters to think twice before allowing an obvious sociopath to fester un-checked.

While Trump's criminal referrals are important, what are really key are the referrals for all his cronies...

Just look around, Trump doesn't give loyalty nor receive it...so how many of these other "defendants" are going to look at cutting a deal with the DOJ to lessen their jail time...

Eastman? Meadows? Crazy Rudy? Rudy has already bragged he has an "insurance policy"...

And once the DOJ begins tightening the screws on whichever Trump crony engaged in the witness tampering, those folks are going to start singing to save their own skin...

Trump has to be wetting his pants worrying about who will turn on him...

Alone and forgotten. His entire life a warning to parents, law enforcement and voters to think twice before allowing an obvious sociopath to fester un-checked.

Not going to happen.

There are millions of silver spoon fed, trust fundie oligarch babies like Trump now.

The late stage capitalist system has bred them.

Trump has to be wetting his pants worrying about who will turn on him...

He should. He has turned on his cohorts, yes-men and associates several times. He has backstabbed them, threw them under buses, and sass sass sass sass sassed off his sassymouth to them over and over and OVER again.

He is a haughty arrogant Caligula who thinks he's a god and that no one else matters. And he wets and craps his diapers every single day in public with his blubbering hateful rhetoric and totally ill-mannered uncouthness.

NemoToday  02:40 pm JST

He should die in prison, in solitary confinement. Irreverent and forgotten because he is a traitor and a sellout - hated by Americans whether they be Dems, GOP, Indys, Greens. He conspired to get his VP hanged and to get all Congress members killed regardless of party affiliation.

Agreed. ADX Florence. Isolated 23 hours a day and left stewing in his own juices both literal and figurative.

He really should die behind bars for what he tried to do to American Democracy. No compasionate release for this one.

Alone and forgotten. His entire life a warning to parents, law enforcement and voters to think twice before allowing an obvious sociopath to fester un-checked.

A model to teach the children what NOT to be. Don't be a lippy sassymouth sociopathic criminal like Trump.