COVID-19 cases rising again in U.S., doubling over three weeks

Unfortunately, after Trump left office, the rollout was too slow and disorganized, even though the Trump administration had ordered a sufficient amount of the vaccines.

If you decide not to get the vaccine then dont complain when you get sick or cant travel overseas.

Nationally, 55.6% of all Americans have received at least one COVID-19 shot …

According to the New York Times, 48% of the U.S. total population and 59% of those 18 and up have been fully vaccinated. Additionally, 10% of the U.S. population has already had COVID-19.

GOQ Conspiracy whack-jobs doubling down on the stupid and refusing the vaccine. I would say “leave them to their fate” but eventually they will serve as a variant factory for a version vaccines don’t work against and we will be back to square 1.

Unfortunately, after Trump left office, the rollout was too slow and disorganized, even though the Trump administration had ordered a sufficient amount of the vaccines.

LMAO.

with the number of new cases per day doubling over the past three weeks, driven by the fast-spreading delta variant, lagging vaccination rates and Fourth of July gatherings.

Who would have known? oh right the experts, that some people keep insisting are always wrong.

But he acknowledged that most of the places seeing higher rates of the virus “are exactly the areas of the country that don’t want to do any of these things.”

Just another surprise. totally unexpected.

The descriptions from regions of the world where the delta variant has taken hold and become the predominant virus are pictures of ICUs full of 30-year-olds. That’s what the critical care doctors describe and that’s what’s coming to the U.S.,

But still you will find comments here saying that young healthy people have absolutely nothing to worry about from the infection, and that god's given natural immunity will protect you without fail, so this must be a lie, right?

CNN viewers will be upset about my first comment, but reality is reality.

Dems have to take responsibility for this one.

At least we flattened the curve.

How many times did you have to have the below lie repeated to you before you actually started to believe it?

Commodore Perry

Unfortunately, after Trump left office, the rollout was too slow and disorganized, even though the Trump administration had ordered a sufficient amount of the vaccines.

My parents, even though they are vaccinated, chose to continue wearing their masks when in crowds to be safe for the time being. They go to baseball games and it is quite amazing how many people think they are invincible because they had the vaccine so feel perfectly fine sitting shoulder to shoulder with strangers and screaming without a mask.

Anti-vax hysteria is a real problem.

Too much right wing media. Overdosing on Alex Berenson and other moron whisperers.

Can’t fix stupid.

“I think people have no clue what’s about to hit us.”

There in a nutshell is how and why the ever mutating virus can thrive, thanks to the cluelessness of hapless, hard-necked humanity ever willing to substitute superstition and magical thinking for science and reality. The prognosis seems to be at least another year of covid deaths and suffering for post-Trump America.

I thoughtni saw data that vax doubters are primarily african and hispanic americans. If that is the case, the view that right wing loons are not getting vaccinated is a bit dubious. Also i still dont understand why people who have recoverd from covid are required to be vaxxed. Anyone know?

Trump being praised for his coronavirus response.

But not sure if the source--CNN-is legitimate.

Anyway--this is for the deniers. So start your research and try to find contradictory information to support your fantasies.

Health experts broadly agree that the Trump administration's national vaccine strategy was a success. 

"Should the administration be praised for this? Absolutely," said Dr. Paul Offit, director of the Vaccine Education Center at the Children's Hospital of Philadelphia and a sharp critic of the administration's coronavirus response. 

Privately and publicly, Trump called on vaccine makers to speed up their development timelines and even suggested he may try to intervene to speed up the Food and Drug Administration's vaccine authorization process.

"I can't tell you where we would be if we didn't have Operation Warp Speed, but I can say it's unlikely we would be where we are right now," the official said.

https://www.cnn.com/2020/11/17/politics/trump-vaccines-coronavirus/index.html

@Commodore Perry

Below are the 5 states with the lowest vaccination rates and the percentage points Trump won those states by in 2020. I’ll let you draw your own conclusions

Alabama - 26

Mississippi - 16

Arkansas - 28

Wyoming - 43

Louisiana -19

What you posted as proof of Trump's success does not indicate failure on Biden's watch.

Commodore Perry

Trump being praised for his coronavirus response.

But not sure if the source--CNN-is legitimate.

Anyway--this is for the deniers. So start your research and try to find contradictory information to support your fantasies.

Health experts broadly agree that the Trump administration's national vaccine strategy was a success. 

"Should the administration be praised for this? Absolutely," said Dr. Paul Offit, director of the Vaccine Education Center at the Children's Hospital of Philadelphia and a sharp critic of the administration's coronavirus response. 

Privately and publicly, Trump called on vaccine makers to speed up their development timelines and even suggested he may try to intervene to speed up the Food and Drug Administration's vaccine authorization process.

"I can't tell you where we would be if we didn't have Operation Warp Speed, but I can say it's unlikely we would be where we are right now," the official said.

https://www.cnn.com/2020/11/17/politics/trump-vaccines-coronavirus/index.html

It is safe for unvaccinated people who have had covid and recovered. Or is that not true?

Also i still dont understand why people who have recoverd from covid are required to be vaxxed. Anyone know?

By this point anybody that has interest have plenty of information readily available to know.

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/vaccines/faq.html

In the UK it's actually people who've been vaccinated who make up most deaths, believe it or not

Why would that be difficult to believe? the vaccinated people in UK are predominantly people that are extremely vulnerable to the infection, so with vaccines not expected to be 100% effective the small percentage that still die would be enough to make a big percentage of the deaths.

What you don't mention is that without vaccines the same population that now make around half of the deaths would have made over 95% of them, reducing the fatality rates of the vulnerable population to the same levels of young healthy people is a huge achievement and proves that vaccines are a very effective measure to protect people.

CNN viewers will be upset about my first comment, but reality is reality.

Dems have to take responsibility for this one.

Interesting, they’re talking about increases infection rates, but silent on and no information on deaths which would lead one to believe that death rate is now less of a risk than previously thought, so that’s good news.

CNN viewers will be upset about my first comment, but reality is reality.

Talks about reality, then backs up claim by posting from CNN, with a disclaimer about it’s legitimacy. That’s a good one. Do some more!

Interesting, they’re talking about increases infection rates, but silent on and no information on deaths

Well, this article does state:

And deaths are running at under 260 per day on average after topping out at more than 3,400 over the winter — a testament to how effectively the vaccine can prevent serious illness and death in those who happen to become infected.

Unfortunately, after Trump left office, the rollout was too slow and disorganized

ROFL, totally wrong.

donald took the vaccine in secret and encouraged his idiots not to take the vaccine. Now this brainless bunch is responsible for the rise in cases across America.

Interesting, they’re talking about increases infection rates, but silent on and no information on deaths which would lead one to believe that death rate is now less of a risk than previously thought, so that’s good news.

When the death rates were being reported donald’s boys claimed the deaths were not due to COVID and hundreds of thousands died naturally!!!

Facts don’t matter much to the ignorant crowd.

https://alexberenson

I knew he’d come up.

The pulp novelist and failed Fox News bobble-head. No training in the area of pandemics.

He appeals to a certain type. The type who ask their barber if they need a haircut.

I wonder why no one responds directly to the quotes by CNN though? Interesting technique the libs use in their arguments. Avoid anything that contradicts their opinions.

Bob FosseToday  08:41 am JST

Talks about reality, then backs up claim by posting from CNN, with a disclaimer about it’s legitimacy. That’s a good one. Do some more!

Health experts broadly agree that the Trump administration's national vaccine strategy was a success. 

ulyssesToday  08:49 am JST

Facts don’t matter much to the ignorant crowd.

Apparently so!

"Should the administration be praised for this? Absolutely," said Dr. Paul Offit, director of the Vaccine Education Center at the Children's Hospital of Philadelphia and a sharp critic of the administration's coronavirus response.

I knew he’d come up.

The pulp novelist and failed Fox News bobble-head. No training in the area of pandemics.

He appeals to a certain type. The type who ask their barber if they need a haircut.

Well Didier Raoult officially called for everyone to take the vaccine a few days ago, so antivaxxers do need a new hero.

It's not difficult to believe, why are you even asking that question? I literally just linked a discussion of that.

Because you literally wrote "believe it or not", about something completely expected and natural if you think for about 2 seconds about who has been vaccinated at this point. You find it difficult to believe (or want to present it as such) but it is not.

Do you have any actual data on what I was talking about or are you just going to project your insecurities?

Sorry if I disproved the point you wanted to make, but attacking people just because they can easily complete the information you choose to hide, ending up misrepresenting the article you brought, is a poor reaction.

And no, your source makes the same mistake as you do, vaccines reduce the rates of hospitalization and death for all people vaccinated, even against new variants, trying to misrepresent it as failing is misleading, vaccines are not perfect, but they are working extremely well at reducing risk and the data presented proves it, for both of your sources, even if not 100% efficient.

I wonder why no one responds directly to the quotes by CNN though? Interesting technique the libs use in their arguments. Avoid anything that contradicts their opinions.

I don’t watch CNN and am not a “lib”. You’ve been told this numerous times.

I don’t trust TV news and I certainly don’t trust anything you post.

CNN viewers will be upset about my first comment, but reality is reality.

Dems have to take responsibility for this one.

You are absolutely right. If the US had stuck with Trump they'd have had a top notch, well administered system for distributing chlorine injections to everyone up and running months ago.

Thanks, Biden.

Maybe because no one is disputing the CNN report or that Trump was President while the initial development of the vaccine occurred. It's the fact that you equate Trump did good with Biden did bad (first post of this thread), that people are laughing at.

Commodore Perry

I wonder why no one responds directly to the quotes by CNN though? Interesting technique the libs use in their arguments. Avoid anything that contradicts their opinions.

End of Monday, 87.3% of UK adults had received one dose, 66.4% had received both doses.

A percentage cannot be vaccinated for medical reasons, so these figures have a lower ceiling than 100%.

The vaccination rate has slowed markedly (to about 55,000 1st doses and 125,000 2nd doses a day). That may be due to limited supplies and less interest from younger people. Anti-vaxers are generally viewed as rather odd in the UK - it is fringe group and has not impacted uptake.

Vaccination passports are available via the NHS app. The requirement for this, especially for holiday travel, may promote uptake amongst the young, as they may not be getting into events/music festivals or going on holiday without being vaccinated.

The UK will largely open up again next week. Cases will rise further. Hopefully, severe illness and deaths will not.

Our attitude to cases needs to change if we are to move forward. Be sensible, but lose the fear.

Covid should then begin to run through the available pool of socially promiscuous hosts. When there are no easy hosts left, cases will fall.

We actually need Delta's fast transmission if Covid is to make like a normal pandemic and move through available hosts as quickly as possible. Lockdowns have suppressed this process to save lives but extended the viral process.

That's the plan. Let's see how it goes.

I predicted long ago that many people in the US would be vaccinated immediately, but that their covid problem would drag on long into the future.

I haven't seen anything yet to change that prediction, and this story only supports it. As long as there is a significant portion of the population not willing to get vaccinated, the virus will continue to ravage that nation.

Meanwhile the rest of us will move on.

The MAGA-Masses are being scammed and led by the nose by the usual far-right media talking heads; Carlson, Ingraham, Newsmaxx....like the host who said "vaccines are against nature" and "diseases are supposed to wipe out people"...

https://news.yahoo.com/newsmax-host-suggests-vaccines-against-193741171.html

The herd is being thinned alright...in red states across America...

Of course, Tucker and Laura refuse to say whether they've been vaccinated...

They fleece the flock, then help put them in their graves...

It is safe for unvaccinated people who have had covid and recovered. Or is that not true?

Yes, and probably more so because the vaccine only targets one protein, thus making vaccines less effective against variants. Look at heavily vaccinated Israel, they now have just as many, if not more, cases than Japan.

@Commodore Perry

Don't forget that early on in Biden's admin, they greatly increased (for a while) Trump's 1 million doses per day to 100 million doses per 100 days. You gotta admit that was very impressive, while it lasted ; )

This weekend at CPAC, the crowd loudly cheered when some right-wing goober giddily proclaimed that America missed its vaccinations goal. Can you imagine that? People actually cheering for a disease. Clapping for death. Just another day in the dumbest democracy on Earth.

President Joe Biden is putting a dose of star power behind the administration’s efforts to get young people vaccinated. Eighteen-year-old actress, singer and songwriter Olivia Rodrigo will meet with Biden and Dr. Anthony Fauci on Wednesday.

How about trying what many other countries are trying, and what Trump did with success---close the US borders?

JsapcToday  10:00 am JST

This weekend at CPAC, the crowd loudly cheered when some right-wing goober giddily proclaimed that America missed its vaccinations goal. People actually cheering for a disease. 

Cheering for missing a goal is not the same as cheering for a disease.

Cheering for missing a goal is not the same as cheering for a disease.

Actually in this context yes it is.

FiddlersToday 06:53 am JST

If you decide not to get the vaccine then dont complain when you get sick or cant travel overseas.

Except for a few dictatorial countries, authorities/politicians were always saying the vaccine won’t be mandatory and it should not prevent from traveling. However, though it is not mandatory, the same politicians now impose it indirectly to be able to travel, go to events, restaurants, etc… But the vaccine does not prevent any infection and virus transmission.

Two solutions: make a law for a mandatory vaccine,

Or no mandatory vaccine. In that case, politicians should stop their hypocrisy !

Mostly in trump controlled states.

Cheering for missing a goal is not the same as cheering for a disease.

Splitting hairs here.

They are morons, aren’t they?

We should be fine as long as the vaccine holds up. At this point it's the unvaccinated being impacted and that's their choice. I'd prefer it if they'd help themselves, but it can't be forced. I'm chalking it up to natural selection.

Now if things take a turn for the worse, things could get really, really bad. If the vaccines stop working because of variants and people still refuse to get vaccinated and we keep going in circles where people are dying in mass numbers again with no end in sight, then I think it's going to change the world as we know it. As in, "get vaccinated or get rounded up" kind of change.

But like I said, we should be fine. Those of us doing our part are actually doing the best we can to prevent that.

Before blaming people for not being vaccinated for this, has anyone realized that maybe it's partially governments fault for irresponsibly allowing everything to open fully before the population was adequately vaccinated?

Also let's not forget who screwed this thing up in the first place. Who care if it was Trump or whatever, world leaders have constantly failed us on this issue, just like they do with climate change.

Why should young healthy people risk getting heart trouble? Why should pepole just trust a vaccine that was rushed for emergency use ?

Am I an anti-vaxxer? Absolutely not, do I respect peoples right to have a choice? To ask questions? Yes!

Trump supports people getting vaccinated, so if you have been waiting for his approval, go get your shots.'

This is absolutely so wrong, people who like Biden don't just blindly trust mRNA vaccines either. Grow up.

Commodore Perry: I wonder why no one responds directly to the quotes by CNN though? 

We have a standard agreement with conservatives that they can use CNN for evidence but everyone else cannot. That's why really only bass and black quote CNN. We can add you to the list if you want the free pass as well. Evens the playing field a bit and saves us from typing, "but you just used CNN yourself" a hundred times.

Some free advice tho, you need to preface your CNN links with, "Even CNN says..." For example: "Even CNN says Trump did a good job (link)." That's how you can get around the whole issue of trashing CNN then immediately using it. Blacklabel can help you with that.

Do people who have had covid need to be vaccinated?

the vaccine is not approved.

Fauci is very coy about why not.

well, you know its mostly approved, kinda the same thing, all the i's are dotted and the t's are crossed....

then why is it still under emergency authorization?

that lack of approval and the "door to door" nonsensical comment are the 2 biggest detractors.

Great, if they can go door to door to force vaccination, I have 2 issues-

1, how do they know who is not vaccinated? and #2, can they issue an ID people can use to vote while they are visiting peoples home? seeing as the government is actually at your house and they claim minorities have no way to get ID.

But still you will find comments here saying that young healthy people have absolutely nothing to worry about from the infection

Yes absolutely they do in most countries. Just look at the data instead of polluting this forum with your misinformed and often meaningless posts. I told you once, your posts are very painful to read.

become the predominant virus are pictures of ICUs full of 30-year-olds. 

This is BS and help achieve nothing but hysteria. Provide data, how many are they, how many of them have comorbidities, provide a comparison with previous months. This has been extremely annoying during all of this, people just throwing around statements without any professional quality in reporting.

They did the same with the English variant, various people (including doctors in ICUs) claiming that the variant was more pathogenic than the original strain. This was proven wrong by two studies afterwards. There is no evidence whatsoever that the Indian variant is more pathogenic, so at this point there is no evidence that this variant will cause significantly more young healthy individuals to develop a serious illness than the original strain. Since it is more contagious (not a surprise at all in itself), in absolute numbers more of these people can be seen in ICUs. However thinking in absolute numbers is of course flawed.

Why should pepole just trust a vaccine that was rushed for emergency use ?

Am I an anti-vaxxer? 

You answered your own question: yes you are.

Well, if the experts are wrong, and if all the vaccinated people suddenly get complications and die, prepare for the end of civilization as we know it. Be sure to hold that 3-year old can of baked beans over the fire at the right angle.

But my guess is they will we right and a lot of people will die needlessly while the rest of us carry on.

the vaccine is not approved.

LoL it is approved through the EUA.

then why is it still under emergency authorization?

uhhh....because there's still a pandemic. People are still dying, and the numbers are going up because people refuse to get vaccinated. https://www.fda.gov/medical-devices/coronavirus-disease-2019-covid-19-emergency-use-authorizations-medical-devices/faqs-emergency-use-authorizations-euas-medical-devices-during-covid-19-pandemic

Do people who have had covid need to be vaccinated?

Yes.

Yes absolutely they do in most countries. Just look at the data instead of polluting this forum with your misinformed and often meaningless posts. I told you once, your posts are very painful to read.

No they are not why don't you bring proof that young people have "absolutely nothing to fear" (as in perfect 0 hospitalizations, ICU stays or deaths), the article you are commenting specifically contradicts you, and the expert doing it has much more credibility.

Also, terribly sorry that correcting false information you believed true is painful to you, maybe keeping an open mind, informing yourself better would help preventing that. you also know nobody forces you to read anything right? in the same way nobody forces you to reply even when you have no argument and only want to attack other users, something that is specifically against the rules of the site.

There is no evidence whatsoever that the Indian variant is more pathogenic, so at this point there is no evidence that this variant will cause significantly more young healthy individuals to develop a serious illness than the original strain. 

Non-sequitur, if a variant is more easily spread the consequence is more patients, so even if the same percentage of them develop serious disease as in the previous strains this would mean that more individuals would do, because the same percentage of a higher total still equals a higher number of individuals.

We should be fine as long as the vaccine holds up. At this point it's the unvaccinated being impacted and that's their choice.

Well, they seem happy with it, I know I am

I'd prefer it if they'd help themselves, but it can't be forced. I'm chalking it up to natural selection.

Yes.

Now if things take a turn for the worse, things could get really, really bad. If the vaccines stop working because of variants and people still refuse to get vaccinated and we keep going in circles where people are dying in mass numbers again with no end in sight, then I think it's going to change the world as we know it. As in, "get vaccinated or get rounded up" kind of change. 

I doubt it. Florida seems to be fine still as well as New York, so I doubt it

But like I said, we should be fine. Those of us doing our part are actually doing the best we can to prevent that.

Floridians seem to be doing just as well, every time the news media shows peoples faces they look like they’re happy, it looks like everyone is reaching heard immunity

Do people who have had covid need to be vaccinated?

This was already responded the first time you asked.

Why should young healthy people risk getting heart trouble? Why should pepole just trust a vaccine that was rushed for emergency use ?

Because it still means less risk than not vaccinated, the numbers are clear, also the vaccine safety and efficacy tests were not rushed and ran along the same time as other vaccines approved before, there is no special risk associated with the way COVID vaccines were approved.

Yes, and probably more so because the vaccine only targets one protein, thus making vaccines less effective against variants. Look at heavily vaccinated Israel, they now have just as many, if not more, cases than Japan.

Wrong on both things, antibodies against other proteins are not neutralizing, so it is irrelevant for the disease how many the body produce, this can be expected because infection is mediated by the spike protein, so other antibodies could not interfere with it, and most other proteins are not even in the outside of the virion, so they don't even have a chance to interact with anything.

Also vaccines primary role is to prevent hospitalizations and deaths, something they still do very nicely even against new variants, and if you want to compare numbers with Israel why are you not including daily number of deaths or percentage of positivity on the tests? is it because they prove the opposite of what you want to say?

Interesting, they’re talking about increases infection rates, but silent on and no information on deaths which would lead one to believe that death rate is now less of a risk than previously thought, so that’s good news.

news is that over 99.2% of people dying by covid now are unvaccinated, the states with the highest unvaccinated people and highest infection rates for the last 2 months, guess which party they voted for.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_uyWrHYH83Y

get this Pfizer never joined Operation warp speed they never accepted any money from the US government, they used all their own funding, but they knew that bringing a effective vaccine to market quickly would be a huge financial boost to them as governments around the world would buy it , which is what is happening

But my guess is they will we right and a lot of people will die needlessly while the rest of us carry on.

unfortunately for one group of people, unvaccinated, theyll be doing most of the dying

This is BS and help achieve nothing but hysteria. Provide data, how many are they, how many of them have comorbidities, provide a comparison with previous months. This has been extremely annoying during all of this, people just throwing around statements without any professional quality in reporting.

theres one stat that is verified and correct over 99.2 % of covid deaths in the US are unvaccinated

P. SmithToday  07:10 am JST

Unfortunately, after Trump left office, the rollout was too slow and disorganized, even though the Trump administration had ordered a sufficient amount of the vaccines.

Demonstrably false. Why are you spreading misinformation?

We still have these QAnon eggheads and traitors telling the lies, as always.

zichiToday  12:21 pm JST

The covid vaccination program in America started in December under Trump who along with his entire family were vaccinated in January.

President Biden boosted the number of vaccinations. 48.5% fully vaccinated.

So many Americans have been so eager to get out and about just like last summer and we ain't over this yet. Look at Australia for instance.

We still have these QAnon eggheads and traitors telling the lies, as always. 

So every conservative is a QAnon and you don’t think people that don’t want to hear opposing viewpoints are traitors? I do.

So many Americans have been so eager to get out and about just like last summer and we ain't over this yet. Look at Australia for instance.

That’s Australia, you can hear many other countries in Japan included, are all these people traitors as well? It’s a personal decision, if people don’t wanna get a shot, then they don’t and people that want to take it they take it. Respect everyone. It’s a choice.

wtfjapanToday  12:17 pm JST

get this Pfizer never joined Operation warp speed they never accepted any money from the US government, 

Interesting. But Pfizer was certainly a part of Operation Warp Speed:

Trump Administration purchases additional 100 million doses of COVID-19 investigational vaccine from Pfizer

 Pfizer began manufacturing the first 100 million doses while clinical trials were underway. Manufacturing in parallel with clinical trials expedited the traditional vaccine development timeline and built toward the U.S. government’s Operation Warp Speed goal to begin delivering safe and effective vaccines to the American people by the end of the year.

OWS is a partnership among components of the Department of Health and Human Services and the Department of Defense, engaging with private firms and other federal agencies, and coordinating among existing HHS-wide efforts to accelerate the development, manufacturing, and distribution of COVID-19 vaccines, therapeutics, and diagnostics.

“Securing more doses from Pfizer and BioNTech for delivery in the second quarter of 2021 further expands our supply of doses across the Operation Warp Speed portfolio,” said HHS Secretary Alex Azar. 

https://www.hhs.gov/about/news/2020/12/23/trump-administration-purchases-additional-100-million-doses-covid-19-investigational-vaccine-pfizer.html

@Commodore Perry Today  10:19 am JST

CNN viewers will be upset about my first comment, but reality is reality.

I don’t watch much CNN or FOX but I think that everyone, with the possible exception of some Orange Cult members, know your first comment is demonstrably false and just a poor attempt to spread misinformation. /smh

"Anti-vax hysteria is a real problem."

I agree - some people have taken it too far. However, it takes 10 years to safely develop a jab. The current MRNA-modifiers were developed in less than a year, skipping various trials. The world's planet is essentially all being prodded/urged into being drug-trial participants, this much is fact. The jabs are in trial phase until 2023.

Sure, many people have gotten their jabs and not suffered much. It's what will happen in winter (or not happen) to the already-jabbed that will be the key to whether I take one - or not. Until then, my body, my choice.

" if people don’t wanna get a shot, then they don’t and people that want to take it they take it. Respect everyone. It’s a choice."

Agreed - mandatory-jabbing is against the Nuremburg Laws.

See, clear sign that their experimental vaccine doesn't work, lots of vaccinated people yet rising cases, not that you should worry anyway you've got really good chances of surviving if infected, and if not well c'est la vie, death is a natural part of life.

It is simple! The reasoning for virus protocols are the same as the reasoning for smoking laws.

Anybody with half a brain knows that the rise in infections has to do with people who refuse to get vaccinated. A majority of those anti-vaxers refuse to wear masks too.

You open up business as usual then the unvaccinated will get sick and spread it to other unvaccinated. Those who are vaccinated can still be carriers without suffering the symptoms of the virus, so anti-vaxers still get infected and sick.

If they refuse to get vaccinated or wear masks, and they want to go out in public like everything is fine then as long as it is not against the rules or the law, it is their choice. If they get sick then it is on them.

That also means that others have the right not to feel sympathy for these people, and they also have the right to refuse to be around people who put others at risk.

It is darwinism!

"Anybody with half a brain knows that the rise in infections has to do with people who refuse to get vaccinated"

This would be based on the premise that PCR tests are reliable, despite so many false-negatives and positives. I don't consider them as such, and therefore I strongly doubt these "rising numbers".

I'm also concerned about the number of people who have died after the jab.

"Why is that?"

Cases are more important than actual deaths, to keep ramping up the fear. If it were otherwise, they'd have counted flu deaths in the past.

@Christopher Glen

> This would be based on the premise that PCR tests are reliable, despite so many false-negatives and positives. I don't consider them as such, and therefore I strongly doubt these "rising numbers".

I'm also concerned about the number of people who have died after the jab.

500,000+ deceased Americans and 4,000,000 globally would disagree with you on that.

Whats are the numbers for those passed away after the jab, specifically because of the jab, again?

However, it takes 10 years to safely develop a jab. 

No, it doesn't.