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Democrats voice horror over Saudi mass executions

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Republicans, the people, are outraged by beheading too. Unfortunately, our representatives aren't showing it.

I'm not against the death penalty in all situations, but if you aren't a mass murderer, it shouldn't apply.

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Saudi Arabia?

Crucifixions,beheadings, stonings,amputations, executions of children and a leader that orders his enemies to be literally ripped apart!

Who would deal with such a callous barbaric retrograde society?

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"We urge the government of Saudi Arabia,

to continue buying weapons from US big war industries because big war industries are an essential part of the US economy. Pompeo and the other hawks and neo-cons in Trump's admin know the only thing Trump's got going for him and his regime is the solid economy he inherited from President Obama. If the economy weakens, Trump's even more vulnerable. If Trump's more vulnerable, so are the neo-cons. Trump and the neo-cons need the Saudis to continue buying weapons.

Trump and the neo-cons' ongoing support for big oil (and gas) and their opposition to alternatives to burning so much oil and gas keep the Saudis and other oil states powerful. And the big war industries rich and powerful.

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Asked about the executions, the State Department said that Secretary of State Mike Pompeo has raised human rights with Saudi leaders in "every instance" when there were concerns.

He hasn't been every convincing then.

"We urge the government of Saudi Arabia, and all governments, to respect and protect human rights and fundamental freedoms, ensure fair trial guarantees, transparency, freedom from arbitrary and extrajudicial detention, and freedom of religion and belief," a State Department spokeswoman said.

That's a weak statement if I ever saw one.

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That's a weak statement if I ever saw one.

Yes, that's just so much faff and whiffle.

And why is the State Department using this feather duster language toward Saudi Arabia?

"due to its extensive purchases of U.S. weapons, vast oil reserves and shared hostility to Iran."

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It's an international disgrace the American Secretary of State hasn't condemned these mass beheadings of people who didn't receive a fair trial.

They would if it happened in Iran.

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Trump's got going for him and his regime is the solid economy he inherited from President Obama.

Absolutely not true.

https://www.hoover.org/research/not-obamas-economy

If the economy weakens, Trump's even more vulnerable.

So far, it looks like it’s on full blast. So how can Democrats combat that? What do they propose? More regulations? More taxation? More robbing Paul to give to Peter?

If Trump's more vulnerable, so are the neo-cons. Trump and the neo-cons need the Saudis to continue buying weapons.

...and we need their oil as well.

Trump and the neo-cons' ongoing support for big oil (and gas) and their opposition to alternatives to burning so much oil and gas keep the Saudis and other oil states powerful. And the big war industries rich and powerful.

Yup, that’s why we need to become more energy dependent and we are on our way, but limiting cars or airplanes and changing building structures is not the answer.

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Well what do you expect? Crown prince ordered the chopping up of someone who hurt his feelings. Was there any cumupence.? A mere massacre with heads on stakes...that's totally medieval. What on earth can you do with people who order, participated in such acts. Buy their oil? Sell them weapons or as they call them fire sticks. Best to avoid these underdeveloped people.

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By not condemning these barbaric beheadings, America is letting the world know they find it acceptable behavior. Nothing to do with oil or weapons. Saudi would continue to sell the oil and buy the weapons. Will they remember that next time it happens to one of it's troops.

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Saudi Arabia is an enemy not a friend. They have done everything possible to fan the flames of sectarian violence in the Middle East and their human rights record is among the worst in the world including spurious convictions on manufactured evidence and mass executions and treating their women like cattle along with medieval punishments for minor offenses by amputation and torture.

In addition they have helped arm and finance terrorists worldwide such as in 911 and radical Islamic groups such as ISIS, Al Qaeda, and Intifada.

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When a states citizens have to flee to enjoy even basic human rights there is a problem. When that same state massacres its own citizens and proudly display heads on a pike, that's a decent into state endorsed evil.

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One of the victims was 17 years at the time of his detention. A minor.

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Since when does the United States dictate what another country can do within their own justice/legal system?

If this werent a potential political attack point, the same people here would be calling the USA arrogant and tell them to mind their own business and focus on their own country. No?

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Since when does the United States dictate what another country can do within their own justice/legal system?

Everyday of every week. When there isn't a justice in place. These men and one boy were not given fair trials and then beheaded and their heads put on spikes to warn others. When an ally country is doing it, yes you have to condemn not condone.

The same situation, same reaction would be regardless of who's in the WH. The USA is a signature to international human rights.

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The spending power associated with Saudi Arabian arms sales has in effect brought the silence of the present US administration.

The numbers are truly mind boggling

The beheading and then crucifixion of the headless body is monstrously barbaric. I understand one of the executed was just 16 years old at the time of his arrest.

U.S. Signs $15 Billion Saudi Arms Deal, Despite Human Rights Concerns

http://fortune.com/2018/11/29/us-saudi-arabia-arms-deal/

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Pardon me zichi, I unintentionally echoed one of your comments.

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Since when does the United States dictate what another country can do within their own justice/legal system?

You've been sleeping for the past 60 years ?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foreign_interventions_by_the_United_States

Since when the US doesn't dictate to other countries ?

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In addition they have helped arm and finance terrorists worldwide such as in 911 and radical Islamic groups such as ISIS, Al Qaeda, and Intifada

As did Iran with Hamas and Hezbollah and backing Assad, that doesn’t bother you?

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Not even a single word of damnation from the Trump supporters over the beheading of these 37 victims including a child. Guess they must be the forgiving Christian types. Amazing how they kick the can around the backyard making a lot of noise but never hitting a target.

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Not condemning this outrage is even worse than the lack over the brutal murder of the journalist Jamal Khashoggi.

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As did Iran with Hamas and Hezbollah and backing Assad, that doesn’t bother you?

Iran? Isn't that the same country which your military navy shot down a commercial airliner killing all 272 on board?

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But these are our "allies". Besides, the Saudis teach their children that shia muslims are heretics who must be killed, so why the surprise when their bloodthirsty dictators do just that?

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Since when does the United States dictate what another country can do within their own justice/legal system?

Just look at the naiveté on display here.

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Iran? Isn't that the same country which your military navy shot down a commercial airliner killing all 272 on board?

Between 1982 and 1986, there were 36 suicide attacks in Lebanon directed against American, French and Israeli forces by 41 individuals, killing 659 Hezbollah denies involvement in some of these attacks, though it has been accused of being involved or linked to some or all of these attacks: Wiki

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Between 1982 and 1986, there were 36 suicide attacks in Lebanon directed against American, French and Israeli forces by 41 individuals, killing 659 Hezbollah denies involvement in some of these attacks, though it has been accused of being involved or linked to some or all of these attacks: Wiki

That somehow excuses or exempts American from shooting down an airliner with 272 men, women and children on board. You just gloss over that tragic event.

The IRA too bombed and killed people but we didn't go shooting down Irish airliners over the Irish sea.

The numbers of innocent civilian Muslim deaths by America in Iraq, Afghanistan, Pakistan, Somalia, far exceeds any by the Iran backed terrorists not just by tens of thousands but hundreds of thousands.

I have Christian friends in Lebanon who have never attacked America or Israel but still Israeli war planes dropped bombs on their homes.

Not a single word from you on the actual content of the post, the beheading of 37 people without fair trial? Ignore or glossing over that one too? I thought you were a Christian man of principle?

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Trump and the neo-cons' ongoing support for big oil (and gas) and their opposition to alternatives to burning so much oil and gas keep the Saudis and other oil states powerful. 

Sure, just blame Trump and the U.S. for doing business with the Saudis, as China, Japan, India and S.Korea buy more oil from them than the U.S. does.

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Many past US presidents have been complicit and have aided Saudi Arabia, the richest dictatorship in the ME!

If President Trump were to voice opposition and jeopardize US arm sales then how would he end up?

Like jFK?

Trump isn’t as dumb at playing the game as many of you think......

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I think the democrats are right this time and Trump is wrong for being dismissive and unwilling to reexamine the relationship with Saudi Arabia. I do keep in mind, however, that past presidents from both ends of the spectrum have gotten into bed the Saudis for decades.

Nonetheless, sleeping with a murderous maniac just because you want to sell weapons is appalling.

Besides, there is no real justification for it. The US doesn't need Saudi oil anymore, and cutting them off would benefit US shale companies.

In times like these, we have to remember that the Saudis flirted with the liberal tech giants in Cali a couple of years ago in an attempt to seduce them. All to restructure their economy, which, based on oil, is seeing it's power cross the midday zenith.

I dont know, but I think Trump ought to do better on this one.

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