U.S. diplomat says intelligence from 'Five Eyes' nations helped Canada to link India to Sikh's killing

Canada has yet to provide public evidence to back Trudeau’s allegations

If Canada has evidence provided by the US (NSA), they could only have gathered that evidence by wiretapping of Indian diplomats, which constitutes a serious breach of the Vienna Convention on Diplomatic Relations of 1961.

That's the reason why Canada will never release the evidence in public but will continue to say that they have evidence, and India will continue to deny that they had anything to do with the matter.

Don't see this going anywhere until and unless Canada arrests the suspects. Assuming that the suspects are still in Canada till now and don't have diplomatic immunity.

Since India is openly asking for public evidence, it's most likely that India has taken care of whoever did the hit job already (by repatriating them from Canada).

For India, its just the case of standing its ground and seeing what the Canada and US does.

Biden administration is going to look pretty stupid inviting Modi for a state dinner and then sanctioning him if that's what they have in mind.

In the meantime, the Modi government is already projecting its intelligence services as some kind of Mossad to its domestic audience, so whatever fallout internationally he gets will be made up for by his increasing domestic support.

India, which has called the allegations “absurd,” also has stopped issuing visas to Canadian citizens and told Canada to reduce its diplomatic staff.

Absolutely disproportionate. India will have to back down on this.

Well said, EvilBuddha! Additionally, Modi is likely to leverage the upcoming general election by emphasizing that his government is distinct from previous administrations and is prepared to take action globally.

Absolutely disproportionate. India will have to back down on this.

It's the strategy of using its diaspora as a weapon. Canadian citizens of Indian origin will not be able to come to India to meet their families.

Sooner or later, they will blame the Canadian government for it and vote accordingly.

“There was shared intelligence among ‘Five Eyes’ partners that helped lead Canada to (make) the statements that the prime minister made,”

Many India people just use Whatsapp popular apps for messaging that also includes govt officials.

https://www.theverge.com/23320306/whatsapp-india-messaging-business-privacy-land-of-the-giants

Why is it so hard for any of them to use the term 'evidence' in this case, not even 'unsubstantiated, unverified evidence'.

Credible allegations, shared information from intelligence sources, are not evidence, you don't go accusing a nation state without using the term 'evidence'.

This smells like all other Trudeau bungles to me. Where did this particular form of statecraft that he is using comes from? Where allies are in a quandary, relationship with a massive stakeholder in global geopolitics in in peril, and both Canada/India no closer to their ultimate goals (that of trade relations and anti-terrorism).

For Canada it's even worse, NOW, there could be open hostility between Hindus and Sikhs in Canada. Surely this is not in Canada's best interest, even if you think India is irrelevant (which it's not). Sure I want to support an ally, but not one that' so inept his use of statecraft outwardly looks like self sabotage.

Canada has yet to provide public evidence to back Trudeau’s allegations'

Is it even credible to raise allegations to a country without having evidence by country's head like PM? I think this leads to a very stupid leader's image of PM Trudeau. Hardeep singh Nijjar was linked with Pakistan's ISI terrorist group where he took training from militants in 2012-13.

He was most wanted in India since he was involved in several bomb blast and active member of KTF. KTF was the same terrorist group who killed the Punjab state's CM Beant singh ( a Sikh leader in India).

One obvious question that comes to mind that when Osama attacked on US, The US killed Osama in Pakistan. And the whole world raise question against Pakistan and sees as home of Terrorist. Why not same with Canada.

Canada is safe heaven in west for terrorist. I learned that, Trudeau is not coming back in power after the election due to his government failure to handle some most critical and important issues in the country. Hence he is talking nonsense to distract the Canada's people to actually focus what is necessary for Canada.

Trudeau also has alliance with a New Democratic Party (NDP) led by Jagmeet Singh. This push also coming from NDP otherwise NDP may take the support back which will apparently leads to exit of Trudeau from the Canada assembly.

One thing is very clear here. The India is now not the same old India. Whether it is China, Pakistan or Canada, Their stand is very clear. Zero tolerance against terrorist.

Murder a foreign national on a foreign soil is an act of war. Regardless Hardeep Singh Nijjar is a Canadian national, a refugee or a"Terrorist"(As claimed by India). India has NO RIGHTS to carry out extrajudicial killing. India government is dangerous!

One thing is very clear here. The India is now not the same old India. Whether it is China, Pakistan or Canada, Their stand is very clear. Zero tolerance against terrorist.

That was irrelevant with the legitimacy of killing. India has committed the same crime as terrorist action!

Canada has yet to provide public evidence to back.

That's why India especially Mr.Modi should prove he is clean and nothing to do with the death of Mr.Nijjar!

Murder a foreign national on a foreign soil is an act of war.

If China had done the same with Dalai Lama in India, you would have been singing a completely different tune.

Too bad that India gives tight state security to its esteemed guest, Dalai Lama.

The United Nations Security Council should open a hearing about the killing of Hardeep Singh Nijjar, the action of extrajudicial killing was deplorable. To be fair the assassination of Osama bin Laden over Pakistan soil in 2011 should be bringing upon to discuss!

@EvilBuddha Why should China want to harm Dali Lamma in India? We get Tibet and we feel fine he is being a refugee in India.

Intelligence provided by a major ally — without saying which one.

The United States, that was no doubt.

elephant200Today 04:02 pm JST

The United Nations Security Council should open a hearing about the killing of Hardeep Singh Nijjar, the action of extrajudicial killing was deplorable. To be fair the assassination of Osama bin Laden over Pakistan soil in 2011 should be bringing upon to discuss!

I bet the NATO members on the SC would give props to the US for killing bin Laden, regardless of the circumstances.

The United Nations Security Council should open a hearing about the killing of Hardeep Singh Nijjar, the action of extrajudicial killing was deplorable.

That's why India maintains good relationship with Russia.

You might like to think that Russia will do what China wants, but when it comes to India it will stand up for its old friend as far as possible.

Credibility is important. In this situation, Canada has it. India does not.

If Canada has evidence provided by the US (NSA), they could only have gathered that evidence by wiretapping of Indian diplomats, which constitutes a serious breach of the Vienna Convention on Diplomatic Relations of 1961.

"Wire tapping" is old tech. If something is transmitted on the RF spectrum that is not from one's own citizens it is fair game for interception and analysis.

Intelligence provided by a major ally — without saying which one.

The United States, that was no doubt.

And you have a problem with that? He was a Canadian citizen. Sending a team to Canada to kill a Canadian citizen in their home country is a grave violation of Canada's sovereignty almost rising to an act of war. As Canada's ally the US has every right to help their Canadian counterparts on this matter. Letting it slide will temp other nations like Iran and China to do the same to their dissidents living abroad. I am glad the US is helping.

Credible allegations, shared information from intelligence sources, are not evidence, you don't go accusing a nation state without using the term 'evidence'.

If you bothered to listen to the full statement the Canadians are saying the evidence will be revealed when arrests have been made and the state is preparing to take them to trial.

Accounts in the US press say the Canadians revealed evidence to the Indians who rejected it with a wave of the hand. Since the suspects are not yet in custody the Canadians are not prepared to show their hand.

Keep in mind when you are talking about evidence gained through intelligence, revealing that evidence often reveals sources and methods that the other nation was unaware of prior to the release of the information. Once that information is revealed those sources are lost forever and the methods will quickly be countered and rendered ineffective. Nations have to weigh the benefits of revealing that information against the loss of future intelligence collecting capability.

Sending a team to Canada to kill a Canadian citizen in their home country is a grave violation of Canada's sovereignty almost rising to an act of war.

There was no team sent. You have no idea of things at the ground level in the Sikh community in Surrey.

India used their contacts in the Lower Mainland gangs, many of whom are exclusively having Indo-Canadian gang members, to take him out. Once the Indian diplomat realized that he had been bugged, those who carried out the hit would have been repatriated.

Since the suspects are not yet in custody the Canadians are not prepared to show their hand.

If what I say above is true, there will be no one caught and the Canadians realize this. There are umpteen unsolved murders, mostly of Indo-Canadians and Sikhs, going back 3 decades ever since the Sikh youths became active players in the Lower Mainland gang conflict. If Canada was confident of solving the murder, they would have caught the suspects first and then gone public. They realize that the suspects would never be caught without India's help so they went public to turn world opinion against India. India has every right to ask for evidence because it knows there is not much Canada has except for wiretaps on diplomats which will never be admissible in a court of law.

A lot of it also had to do with the local Sikh gurdwara politics in the Lower Mainland. There is factionalism and politics involved in who gets control of the gurudwaras, its resources and its funds. A lot of the Sikh gurdwaras used to be run by moderate factions, however after 2008 they started coming under hardline extremist factions who advocated war against India for Khalistan.

It's impossible for naive outsiders with a tunnel vision and their own prejudices to understand the entire story. Moderate Sikhs in Surrey and Vancouver today have only 3 gurudwaras under their control. A handful of violent terrorists and gangsters have taken control of the Sikh diaspora in the Lower Mainland.

Hardeep Singh Nijjar was on the Canadian governments no-fly list. He had an Interpol red corner notice taken out against him. The Canadian terminology of terrorist might be different but when someone receives arms training in Pakistan under Jagtar Singh Tara, the assassin of former Punjab Chief Minister Beant Singh, and also receives assistance from Pakistan's ISI, he is a terrorist in India's book.

India shared all the evidence with Canada when Trudeau visited India in 2018 but it was ignored or not acted upon.

Canada should also look into the well established fact that, apart from Khalistan, it was a leading source of funds for another South Asian insurgency - the LTTE and its violent mission to carve a separate Tamil homeland in Sri Lanka. Often, the Tamil diaspora in Canada were contributing to LTTE and often the methods to raise the funds were one notch below extortion, but Canada did very little. In both cases, the complaints from Indian and Sri Lankan governments have fallen on deaf ears. Canada pretends that what is happening in their immigrant communities is not their problem. Sooner or later this attitude would have come back to bite them.

Would like to add to the above that the Sikh community is very close-knit and watch out for each other. Everyone knows whats going on but no one will talk, because they believe in resolving their problems within the community.

It's for the same reason why RCMP has been unable to solve umpteen murders of Indo-Canadian gang members going back 3 decades. No one talks. The community knows who is guilty but they will not talk to the cops, and they don't boycott one of their own for his misdeeds.

A lot of these gangs have total control of trafficking, both drugs and human, in the Lower Mainland. The profits that they get from their gang activities are mostly invested and laundered, but some gang members and gangs donate to the cause of Khalistan.

The Indian Sikhs don't want anything to do with Khalistan but the Sikh diaspora clings to that pipedream and raises funds for it.

Pakistan's ISI provides Khalistanis the training and logistics. However, because of lack of local support of Sikhs in India, the Khalistanis have been unable to destabilize Punjab for last 3 decades.

That changed during the farm protests that began in India in 2020. The Khalistanis saw that by funding the protests, which would be acceptable to the Indian Sikhs who were protesting, they could infiltrate the Indian Sikh network and once again generate sympathy for their cause.

It matters not whether the Indian government sent a team to Canada to murder a Canadian citizen or hired another Canadian to kill a Canadian citizen. Either way it is an equally grave violation of Canadian sovereignty.

The rest of your lengthy screed does nothing to change that fact.

Either way it is an equally grave violation of Canadian sovereignty.

Yeah so go ahead and slap sanctions on India. Or declare war on India.

Your faux outrage over here does nothing and solves nothing.