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U.S. judge rules for United Airlines in employee vaccine dispute

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Good. Get vaccinated, not 'immunized' (or whatever) like the now COVID-having Aaron Rogers.

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It's a start at least.

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Good.

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American companies have total legal control over their workplace rules. There are no laws that restrict workplace rules.

For example, companies don't have to pay you your earned vacation time if you quit or are fired/laid off. Companies do not legally have to give you any vacation from work or days off at all (except as regulated for safety, e.g. pilots, truck drivers, etc), or special holiday pay, or overtime pay, if workers do not have a specific contract stating so.

There are no laws to stop a company from firing you for any reason they want.

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Nurses, teachers, airline workers, police officers - all have bought cases against their employers for vaccine mandates, and in every single case they have lost. Get vaccinated or find another job, but stop whinging.

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Disagree that the government should force companies to set these rules.

If the government didn't force companies to set safety rules, there would be very little of them and work safety would be worse off. Ever read The Jungle by Upton Sinclair?

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The fact is - whether you believe the vaccines are effective or not, the vast majority of people will feel more comfortable flying on an airline, dining in a restaurant, shopping in a mall, visiting a Police Station - IF the staff are vaccinated. Easy.

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I've got to go with the courts on this one. Too much is at stake - if this OSHA mandate is found to not be enforceable, then how long until people start going after other OSHA mandates and we're set back 100 years in labor laws.

Also, religious exemption? It disgusts me how many people are claiming this. I've read from several sources that there are only three religions that have doctrinal prohibitions against vaccines: Church of Jesus Christ, Scientist (Christian Scientists), Dutch Reformed, and an obscure sect of Ultra-Orthodox Judaism in Eastern Europe. If you are not one of those three, then get off the religious exemption train and just say you don't want to do it. God hates a coward, you know.

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too much is at stake - if this OSHA mandate is found to not be enforceable, then how long until people start going after other OSHA mandates and we're set back 100 years in labor laws.

someone gets the risk of Biden trying to hide behind OSHA on this to make people inject something they dont want in their body.

Also, imagine if it IS enforceable, what will they try next under "OSHA" mandates?

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Get the jab or stay home unpaid. The unvaccinated are needlessly extending the pandemic with their selfishness and ignorance.

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Good news.

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someone gets the risk of Biden trying to hide behind OSHA on this to make people inject something they dont want in their body.

Absolutely. Why would anyone inject poison into their bodies that also contains "Satanic Markers". Only a fool would suggest taking that....saying it was "safe and it works". Operation Warp Speed was an abysmal failure....

Also, imagine if it IS enforceable, what will they try next under "OSHA" mandates?

Yea, like hard hats at construction sites. Give me freedom to have a concussion if I want to....

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Peter NeilToday  02:59 pm JST

American companies have total legal control over their workplace rules. There are no laws that restrict workplace rules.

For example, companies don't have to pay you your earned vacation time if you quit or are fired/laid off. Companies do not legally have to give you any vacation from work or days off at all (except as regulated for safety, e.g. pilots, truck drivers, etc), or special holiday pay, or overtime pay, if workers do not have a specific contract stating so.

There are no laws to stop a company from firing you for any reason they want.

This is inaccurate. American companies have the ability to make any rules they want as long as those rules aren’t illegal. There cannot be, for example, a workplace rule that forces employees to eat in segregated dining facilities.

The federal overtime provisions are contained in the Fair Labor Standards Act (FLSA). Unless exempt, employees covered by the Act must receive overtime pay for hours worked over 40 in a workweek at a rate not less than time and one-half their regular rates of pay. 

https://www.dol.gov/agencies/whd/overtime

An employee is exempt from overtime pay if they are a particular type of employee. A “normal” employee cannot contract around this law.

There is no federal law requiring paid holidays.

Companies do have the right to fire you for any reason as long as it is t illegal. Your employer cannot simply walk up to your desk one day and say, “You’re fired because you’re catholic” because that would be illegal discrimination.

The law is full of nuance, so it’s best not to make blanket statements.

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…he ruled that difficulties stemming from the loss of income were not "irreparable" …

Unquestionably, the judge has never held a regular job. Would he rejoin humanity for a little while he would have decided differently.

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you would have missed the pure emotion on SO many peoples faces shown on TV at being reunited with friends and family 

If you didn’t allow and support the government to control you this way that would have never happened to begin with.

let me repeat. Your support of the government policy allowed families to be separated for up to 18 months.

People to allowed to die with no funeral. Because you are scared of a virus that was a factor in the death of 0.02% of Americans.

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People to allowed to die with no funeral. Because you are scared of a virus that was a factor in the death of 0.02% of Americans.

From 46.6 million reported covid cases in the US a death toll of 755,000 equals a US death rate from covid of 1.62% and that is with all the precautions taken to minimize the pandemic effects. Without all the precautions the numbers infected would be higher and the resulting deaths would also be higher.

The government and companies are obligated to take measures to minimize deaths. Why do some complain about their safety being protected?

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From 46.6 million reported covid cases in the US 

America has 330 million people.

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America has 330 million people.

Yes it does.

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