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U.S. lawmakers visit Taiwan in show of support for new president after China's military drills

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“There should be no doubt, there should be no skepticism in the United States, Taiwan or anywhere in the world, of American resolve to maintain the status quo and peace in the Taiwan Strait,” 

The "status quo" is that the US recognizes Taiwan as a province of China and not as a country. If they want to talk about supporting Taiwan, they should make a clean table and give diplomatic recognition to Taiwan (of course majorly upsetting Beijing). As it is now, the US govt wants to have its cake and eat it. Can not work.

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Taiwan President Lai Ching-te, right, puts on a cowboy hat given by Rep. Michael McCaul

The photo resembles a historical picture of how European missionaries giving glass beads to the happy inhabitants of their new colonies. Nothing personal, just associations. I'm afraid it will turn out to be true

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American resolve to maintain the status quo and peace in the Taiwan Strait,

Good so the US is firmly against Taiwanese Independence. I believe the US has the resolve stop the change of the status quo.

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Important to remind oneself that these people are visiting a non-UN recognized entity.

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what a "position",guy in photos should get one BigMac too so will smile more...

there is ONE CHINA guys.

ONE CHINA.

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ZaphodToday 03:38 pm JST

The "status quo" is that the US recognizes Taiwan as a province of China and not as a country.

Except it doesn't.

https://www.us-taiwan.org/resources/faq-the-united-states-one-china-policy-is-not-the-same-as-the-prc-one-china-principle/

JJEToday 04:06 pm JST

Important to remind oneself that these people are visiting a non-UN recognized entity.

Important to remind oneself that this is all because of CCP threats and aggression.

UAfanToday 04:11 pm JST

ONE CHINA.

And one Taiwan.

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ZaphodToday 03:38 pm JST

“There should be no doubt, there should be no skepticism in the United States, Taiwan or anywhere in the world, of American resolve to maintain the status quo and peace in the Taiwan Strait,” 

The "status quo" is that the US recognizes Taiwan as a province of China and not as a country. If they want to talk about supporting Taiwan, they should make a clean table and give diplomatic recognition to Taiwan (of course majorly upsetting Beijing). As it is now, the US govt wants to have its cake and eat it. Can not work.

It's literally working right now. Leave it up to Peking to escalate things further if they want to.

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JJEToday 04:06 pm JST

Important to remind oneself that these people are visiting a non-UN recognized entity.

Important to remind oneself that that doesn't matter at all.

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KukuToday 03:54 pm JST

Taiwan President Lai Ching-te, right, puts on a cowboy hat given by Rep. Michael McCaul

The photo resembles a historical picture of how European missionaries giving glass beads to the happy inhabitants of their new colonies. Nothing personal, just associations. I'm afraid it will turn out to be true

I think Taiwan has done quite well selling its glass. Better than China/Russia/Iran can dream.

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what a "position",guy in photos should get one BigMac too so will smile more...

A joke is a joke, but If remember Kuleba treated Blinken first at McDonald's, and then with pizza at the pizzeria. Circus on all levels. However, China is a level, and all those mentioned above are below the baseboard

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I hope these republicans remember their position when Trump flip flops.

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Kuku

clown is clown regardless t shirt of hat in this case.

isabelle

And one Taiwan.Yes as part of ONE CHINA - thats correct.

May follow MACAU and HK path.

two system-one country

problem solved.

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UAfanToday 04:24 pm JST

And one Taiwan.Yes as part of ONE CHINA - thats correct.

May follow MACAU and HK path.

Taiwan will never follow this path because it is one destruction.

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I think Taiwan has done quite well selling its glass. Better than China/Russia/Iran can dream.

You think. Expert thinks! OK then

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there is ONE CHINA guys.

ONE CHINA.

Except in reality there are two disint, individual nations with China in their name.

The Peoples Republic of China. PRC

The Republic of China. ROC

The breakaway China PRC, is younger and has never ruled over all of the old ROC. So they want a second shot at taking it by force. Something they failed to do during their rebellion 75 years ago. The people of the world see thing clearly. There are TWO China's.

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KukuToday 04:26 pm JST

I think Taiwan has done quite well selling its glass. Better than China/Russia/Iran can dream.

You think. Expert thinks! OK then

It's called gdp per capita and doesn't lie, unlike China/Russia/Iran.

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McCaul is a warmonger and a nasty piece of work. He was on the hill last week advocating a wider war with Russia. Ominous bad omen for Taiwan. Wherever this man goes, disaster and broken countries follow.

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This shows America is increasing contats with Taiwan as PRC increase's military pressure on Taiwan. It is almost self sustaining now. Both major US parties seem aligned in support for keeping Taiwan independant and secure in the face of PRC hostility.

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UAfanToday 04:24 pm JST

And one Taiwan.Yes as part of ONE CHINA - thats correct.

I'm afraid not.

The duly elected government of Taiwan is very clear on this: "Taiwan is already an independent sovereign country." I think they know more about the situation than "UAfan."

https://edition.cnn.com/2024/05/19/asia/lai-chingte-taiwan-president-inauguration-intl-hnk/index.html

I do sometimes wonder whether all the pro-CCP/Kremlin posters on JT and around the web actually believe the propaganda they post, or whether it's just their job. Or the result of indoctrination, Stockholm Syndrome, or perhaps just being stuck in the system and unable to escape.

It's very sad, but I look forward to the day when they and their like wake up. Then their countries will have a much brighter future.

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The US position is hypocritical. It demands the status quo and peace for this separatist non-UN state but supports violent reunification elsewhere.

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JJEToday 05:22 pm JST

The US position is hypocritical. It demands the status quo and peace for this separatist non-UN state but supports violent reunification elsewhere.

The law is quite clear on the escapade in Europe.

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if the Americans did not rule Taiwan, then perhaps Taiwan would live separately and calmly, but as long as the Americans are nearby with their own interests, then Taiwan has no chance. Either war or Taiwan is China.

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Typical of NATO smoke blowers. Spuriously claim "the law" is on your side without a shred of evidence. At least that is somewhat consistent.

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isabelle

https://www.us-taiwan.org/resources/faq-the-united-states-one-china-policy-is-not-the-same-as-the-prc-one-china-principle/

From your source: "The official U.S. policy is that Taiwan’s status is undetermined."

OK... "undetermined". But definitely not a country. As I said, the US position is to have it both ways --- appeasing the CCP while at the same acting as if Taiwan was a country. You do not military support an area whose status is "undetermined".

That the "have your cake and eat it position" that I mentioned. Your article just tries to put lipstick on the facts.

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Particularly when that article it from the "US-Taiwan Business Council". Basically just regurgitated talking points.

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Here is another source, this time not from the "US-Taiwan Business Council":

*"When the United States moved to recognize the People’s Republic of China (PRC) and de-recognize the Republic of China (ROC) in 1979, the United States stated that the government of the People’s Republic of China was “the sole legal Government of China.” Sole, meaning the PRC was and is the only China, with no consideration of the ROC as a separate sovereign entity."*

https://www.csis.org/analysis/what-us-one-china-policy-and-why-does-it-matter

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Good on this cohort of Republicans and Democrats in visiting and showing bipartisan support for free Taiwan, in the face of CCP aggression. The free, democratic world has Taiwan's back.

No doubt China will have a cry about this. Tough luck.

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Fighto!

Good on this cohort of Republicans and Democrats in visiting and showing bipartisan support for free Taiwan, 

How do they define "free Taiwan"? How do you? A free area of undetermined status? Something else?

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nikToday 06:10 pm JST

Either war or Taiwan is China.

Beautiful false dichotomy there: straight out of the CCP's little red propaganda book.

Of course, peace with a fully independent, internationally-recognized Taiwan isn't a viable option then?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/False_dilemma

JJEToday 06:27 pm JST

Typical of NATO smoke blowers. Spuriously claim "the law" is on your side without a shred of evidence.

Apart from that pesky international law, and that pesky Geneva Convention. It's a real drag when they get in the way of imperial conquest, isn't it?

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ZaphodToday 06:42 pm JST

As I said, the US position is to have it both ways --- appeasing the CCP while at the same acting as if Taiwan was a country.

You said: "The "status quo" is that the US recognizes Taiwan as a province of China."

That's false information, and why I responded. You can change your argument now if you want, but it matters little.

And there is no "appeasement" of the CCP. The reason for the status quo -- despite it being not what any side actually wants -- is because CCP policy states that it will invade Taiwan in the event of a formal declaration of independence. There's no reason for such an invasion, but that's totalitarian regimes for you.

You do not military support an area whose status is "undetermined".

You can support whomever you like. In this case, Taiwan asks the US for the weapons and support, and the US provides it. It's only the CCP that has a problem with this. Japan certainly does not have a problem with it, since we're on Japan Today.

Your article just tries to put lipstick on the facts.

No, it presents the facts as they are: the US does not recognize Taiwan as part of the PRC. That is an undeniable, provable fact.

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The Chinese don't care about America's position. Taiwan will be under the jurisdiction of China and this is not even discussed. The Taiwan Strait will be under China's control. Let America control Mexico, that's what it can do.

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How do they define "free Taiwan"? How do you? A free area of undetermined status? Something else?

A little something that some seem to despise. Democracy. Freedom of choice. Elections to decide a President. Not wanting a totalitarian government to hold one's hand and make every decision.

I guess some people will never understand - nor like - these ideas - but Taiwanese people do.

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The Chinese don't care about America's position. Taiwan will be under the jurisdiction of China and this is not even discussed. The Taiwan Strait will be under China's control.

"Will be"? Sounds wishy-washy. When? Communist China has been laughably stating these things for decades.

No - Taiwan is not, never was, and never will be under the control of Communist China. And it is childish to state that the Taiwan Strait could ever be under the control of China. Never heard of Freedom of the Seas I guess.

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An agreement signed in the early 1970s that had no real meaning then and has never meant anything outside China doesn't count. It was worded in a way to make China open for trade. Nothing more.

The resolution from 1971 says that China is represented by the mainland. That's fine. Taiwan can represent Taiwan in the UN and with all other countries for trade regardless of UN status.

Not being recognized by the UN just means that the UN doesn't recognize Taiwan. Nothing more.

More and more countries need to formally recognize Taiwan as a country. Europe is doing it slowly with 2-3 more countries announcing it this week. The more that happens, the higher Xi's blood pressure goes. Not good for his health.

There's no viable way for Taiwan to be formally recognized by the UN. That's because there's 1 mandated requirement that will never be met. The requirement to be recognized by all 5 permanent security council members, each has a veto and since mainland China is a member, that will never change while the CCP holds power. That doesn't prevent all other countries from recognizing Taiwan. Seems odd that a founding member of the UN would be blocked from being a member. The RoC was a founding member, not the CCP.

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Fighto!

A little something that some seem to despise. Democracy. Freedom of choice. Elections to decide a President. Not wanting a totalitarian government to hold one's hand and make every decision.

I guess some people will never understand - nor like - these ideas - but Taiwanese people do.

That is all fine and jolly, but it is not the official policy of the US. I am not arguing the quality of Taiwan or the Taiwanese people, I am pointing out the hypocrisy of US policy. They want to "defend" something that they officially do not recognize.

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isabelle

You can support whomever you like. In this case, Taiwan asks the US for the weapons and support, and the US provides it.

....and violate its own written policy in the process. Maybe in your mind, that is A-OK as long as the world self-declared policeman does it.

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....and violate its own written policy in the process. Maybe in your mind, that is A-OK as long as the world self-declared policeman does it.

Yes, for the sake of Taiwan's freedom and democracy.

Only far-right extremists and Qonspiracy theorists - and the CCP of course - have a problem with this.

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They want to "defend" something that they officially do not recognize.

Nuance is hard for extremists to comprehend.

It's real though. You'll just have to trust us.

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For those who cannot read Kanji the Taiwanese official documents still say Republic of China Taiwan Province.

It is the ROC version of China: 23 million people out of 1450 million Chinese.

The Taiwanese do not use the Republic of Taiwan to refer to themselves do they?

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Do whatever you want..

Reunification is unstoppable..

ONE CHINA is the only way..

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JJEMay 27 06:27 pm JST

Typical of NATO smoke blowers. Spuriously claim "the law" is on your side without a shred of evidence. At least that is somewhat consistent.

The UN charter, the Budapest Memorandum, and the Belovezh Accords, all prove your side is in the wrong. What do you have? Nothing.

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Go to 760 UN Plaza, Manhattan and look for the Taiwan flag. Also important to note the most lopsided vote recently is against the US and their controversial ally.

The memorandum/accord mentioned were voided by the illegal coup in 2014. Indeed, that terrible event was a gross and offensive violation of those agreements.

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JJEToday 02:15 am JST

Go to 760 UN Plaza, Manhattan and look for the Taiwan flag. Also important to note the most lopsided vote recently is against the US and their controversial ally.

Of revelance to nothing.

The memorandum/accord mentioned were voided by the illegal coup in 2014. Indeed, that terrible event was a gross and offensive violation of those agreements.

Said no legal scholar ever. There is no alternative Ukrainian government, even in Russian fantasy thinking.

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nikMay 27 06:10 pm JST

if the Americans did not rule Taiwan, then perhaps Taiwan would live separately and calmly, but as long as the Americans are nearby with their own interests, then Taiwan has no chance. Either war or Taiwan is China.

Zero US troops on Taiwan and not even a real embassy. How does the US "rule Taiwan"? And you seem to admit that Taiwan can live "separately", presumably from Bully China. So how does that happen?

The Chinese don't care about America's position.

They care about our weapons or China would have taken Taiwan already.

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quercetumMay 27 11:23 pm JST

For those who cannot read Kanji the Taiwanese official documents still say Republic of China Taiwan Province.

It is the ROC version of China: 23 million people out of 1450 million Chinese.

The Taiwanese do not use the Republic of Taiwan to refer to themselves do they?

Could it be there is a nutter country threatening violence if such things are changed?

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I hope these republicans remember their position when Trump flip flops.

Probably true Trump will have a different stance regarding Taiwan.

Let's see tho

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For those who cannot read Kanji the Taiwanese official documents still say Republic of China Taiwan Province.

Exactly !

Taiwan is part of China

Soon to be an autonomous region instead of a rogue province

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Go to 760 UN Plaza, Manhattan and look for the Taiwan flag. 

That was meant for the Republic of China, with a permanent seat on the UN Security Council. Too bad the US decided to pull the plug on the ROC and threw them under the bus.

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