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U.S. military personnel discharged for being gay try to re-enlist

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Recuiter: Are you gay?

Applicant: Are you an imbecile?

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Is this a new phase of our biological weapons program?

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Why even ask the question in the 1st place? Invasion of privacy I say.

The Military should hire people for their potential as good soldiers not for their sexual orientation unless they got some special plans on how to fight enemy soldiers. ;)

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They should alllow the ones they kicked out with a promotion in rank, back pay, and a reward. Especially the decorated heroes.

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Some gay activist groups were planning to send people to enlist at recruiting stations to test the Pentagon’s Tuesday announcement.

If you are gay and want to join the military because you want to serve your country then fine. If you are gay and just want to do it because some activist who does not want to join but wants to make a political statement for the "cause" then don't. You're just being used as a "Useful idot."

Just a thought, you see posts on JT about the wild antics of US military members stationed here in Japan, and the past couple of major stories of assaults on women in Japan make headline news. Will that also apply if the military attacker is a gay person? I know some will say that will not happen, but there are lay abiding and non-law abiding gays,and just like straight persons that get into the military also.

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Any gay soldier caught by the Taliban will want to keep it secret.

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This is a good step, but I agree with Zenny and Alphaape. Sexual orientation should have no bearing on anything-- this is supposed to be about serving your country. Coming out should not lead to you being dismissed, but it shouldn't be a question when you're signing up.

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I wonder how this will work come shower time. Female and male recruits are not allowed to shower or sleep in the same place. Does this mean that their will be special quarters for gays?

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bobbafett.

The gays and straights been showering together all along. :P

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It's true Zenny but if I was a straight recruit and I knew openly gay recruits were watching me in the shower I for one would suddenly be aware about how women feel when I leer at them and for seconds may stop enjoying soaping withnmy comrades.

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Will that also apply if the military attacker is a gay person? I know some will say that will not happen, but there are lay abiding and non-law abiding gays,and just like straight persons that get into the military also.

Did you follow the Wikileaks story on any other sites? The 'disgruntled' army specialist who sent activist Julian Assange much of the leaked material was a jilted gay male, half-British, with some mental health issues ("Atheist gay loner" is title of one article on the guy). But the MSM wasn't too interested in that side of the story.

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The gays and straights been showering together all along

Zenny11, that is a true statement. Now let me ask you this. If by your name you are a female, and I am a male, would you feel uncomfortable taking a shower with me? Not in the sexual sense, but in a public arena like a communal bathroom in a gym. That is the issue with letting openly gays serve.

If as you say, gays and straights have been showering together all along, then I guess the next move for the gay rights activist would be to picket the various onsens here in Japan. After all, they have men only and women only areas, and if there is no seperation of the sexes due to gay rights, then there shouldn't be any in other areas too.

After all as the saying goes, not all gays are looking to make it with "straights" so we should not be concerned about the shower issues, and not all straight men want to sleep with every women that they see in a communal shower.

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Sadly, gays in the US military is like oil in water. Just saying...

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Alphaape.

I got no problems sharing a shower with anyone. Pretty much the same for everyone in my home-country.

You are aware that Onsen and Sentou were shared in Japan and only become fully separated during the US occupation. Granted Shoguns been trying unsuccessful to have them separated for a few centuries prior.

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You mean there's always been oil in the water ???

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Contrary to popular (mis-)belief, gay/homosexual males are not itching to jump on the next straight/heterosexual male they see. Maybe you're wishing it were so, but it ain't.

They just ain't that much into you; sorry to disappoint. Go find some other myth to work with.

I mean, it's like a young hetero thinking all 60 y/o grandmas are cougars wanting to jump the young stud. They just don't.

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it's like a young hetero thinking all 60 y/o grandmas are cougars wanting to jump the young stud. They just don't.

I don't know where you're from...

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Elections are around the corner. Please Vote.

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mrc32: Well, that works for hetros too but they still separate. I mean I've come across some UGLY members of the opposite sex, but we were still separated. now that this going through, and I knew quite a few gays/Les in the army.... I wonder what going to happen to those trans-gender types.

Oh, and for those that want to get out, I guess you ain't got the "I'm gay" things to get out on....

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Contrary to popular (mis-)belief, gay/homosexual males are not itching to jump on the next straight/heterosexual male they see. Maybe you're wishing it were so, but it ain't.

They just ain't that much into you; sorry to disappoint. Go find some other myth to work with.

I mean, it's like a young hetero thinking all 60 y/o grandmas are cougars wanting to jump the young stud. They just don't.

m5c32, I understand that argument fully and I agree, but you didn't answer my question. Do you mind showering with a person of the opposite sex in a non-sexual manner? If so great. Now, would you let your mate (male/female, not sure of your sex) also shower with someone in a communal setting?

That is the point. It is a matter of privacy. Privacy in regards to sexual attitude. Like it or not that still is a big matter in the world.

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Contrary to popular (mis-)belief, gay/homosexual males are not itching to jump on the next straight/heterosexual male they see. Maybe you're wishing it were so, but it ain't.

Let me point out how this is a dangerous thing, as it relates to human nature.

A few days ago, posters here in JT were commenting about capitalism that was gone amok as the cause for the current housing/economic crisis in America. Wall Streeters and banks were just ignoring the rules of fair capialism and just out to make a buck, screwing over the rest of us. Posters were commenting on the need for reforms and more regulations to control those on corrupt traders.

Now some are saying that gays are no more predisposed to assault a straight person in the shower, no more than the rest of the normal public. So why is it on one hand (the gay issue) people can say that the rules need to be let go, people are mature enough to control themselves and not act in a greedy, lustful way; yet on the other hand, people need controls (greedy trader/bankers) becuase they saw an opportunity to make a quick buck and get away with it.

That is why we have rules in place (or should). No not all gays are going to sexualy go after someone in a shower, but not all bankers/traders are greedy. But rules need to be in place in order that the order of things should occur. I am not calling for the anti-gay discrimination, but you have to admit that when it comes to human nature, especially when sexuality is concerned, there needs to be a method of maintaining some order.

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m5c32 said: Contrary to popular (mis-)belief, gay/homosexual males are not itching to jump on the next straight/heterosexual male they see. Maybe you're wishing it were so, but it ain't.

Kind of an absurd thing to say. Gay men like who they like and the other person's sexual orientation is not much part of the equation. Some have the sense not to bark up the wrong tree, but some don't. That said, if a gay guy sexually harrasses a straight man, the problem is sexual harrassment and boot him from the military for that and not his sexual preference. After all, plenty of heteros cause problems too, which is how those sexual harrassment rules got put in place don't ya know.

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This is a very, very difficult issue gays wanted to be accepted as equals in American society, but gays and lesbians, wanting to get respect is one thing, forcing our men and women in the US armed forces work with gays and lesbians may be opening a HUGE CAN OF WORMS that I am afraid, with the US in 2 wars, is not the right time to stop the don't ask don't tell policy.

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elbudamexicano, you could say the same thing with blacks, asians, hispanics, immigrants, women, republicans, etc etc. Everybody has something another person will object to. If they can't be professional about it nobody should be handing them a gun. But of course if you just want to make the argument that militaries are a huge can of worms, I won't object to just dissolving them all.

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When you drop the bar -you really need to watch your back. More true now than ever -politicians/bankers/military doesn't matter.

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it would be funny to watch all those guys who got out by saying they gay but weren't are now to be re-instated!

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I served in the U.S. Navy for 14 years and I can say that I have seen less than 10 Sailors nude in all that time of showering. It's not an open bay, they have stalls for privacy and most people were tactful enough to not walk around naked. This is mostly a moot subject with the Navy. I don't know about the other services.

Taka

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m5c32 hit the nail on the head. Lived with a gay room-mate in a 2-bedroom apartment for 2 years, no problems at all, same in college had a few gay roomies, they're not checking other guys out unless they know they're gay xD. Discharging someone from the military "just because they're gay" is absolute stupidity, and completely illegal and unconstitutional. While I understand the don't ask don't tell policy as a point of its nobody's damned business what someones sex life unless its breaking the law i.e rape, incest, murder etc. These "policies" need to grow up and they especially need to eliminate the discharge a soldier if they're gay ideology.

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"Recuiter: Are you gay?

Applicant: Are you an imbecile?"

Although neither is appropriate for a recruiting office, one question is so much crueler than the other because it is intended to discriminate against a person. The other one is used to vet Tea Party Senate candidates.

My advice is that if someone asks either question, the appropriate response is "-wink- You betcha."

But really, the best thing for DADT is to just get rid of it and all the discrimination. Why fight it? We all know which way the wind is blowing, and changes will come sooner or later.

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HonestDictator is right. I am very attractive to gay guys (not too sure why, but I am hot hot hot), and it has been awkward a couple of times in my life, but that is ok, because I have had very similar situations with many more women. It is not that the whole world is wrong. I'm just not gay. I don't see why it offends people so much.

The whole attraction rejection thing is what everybody has to sort out in high school. Once that is finished, then sex should not really matter if a person is a roommate or workmate or drinking buddy. You just work through life and do the live and let live thing.

Sex should not be the most important thing in an adult's life. For the military to force someone to build their career around sexual preference is bizarre. It is not even a mature attitude, let alone a reasonable policy. We need to just get past this. Is it really that important to people? I mean aside from Sunday school teachers?

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if a gay guy sexually harrasses a straight man...

Stop right there.

The greatest proportion of harassers of straight/hetero males were not gay/homosexual males (nor any women). It has been found that by far (accounting for proportionality in the gen pop) the perpetrators were other straight males (no, not bi-sexual and not bi-curious men but honest-to-goodness heterosexual males. It was found that it's mostly about power, humiliation and subjugation.

Interesting, innit?

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