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U.S. orders non-essential staff to leave Shanghai as virus surges

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And head back to the States where the virus is constantly on the surge. You might get sick or even die, but at least you'll have your freedom like the one million.

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Generally, i am in favor of lockdowns to get the virus under control but what China is doing is just plain crazy

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If they want to leave, sure. But if they are truly concerned about their staff's well-being they wouldn't ask them to return to the country most heavily affected by the virus. Literally any other country on the planet would be better.

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Out of the frying pan, into the fire.

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Actually if you are currently under lockdown can you even leave?

6 ( +6 / -0 )

This has nothing to do with Covid risk and everything to do with the ridiculous lockdowns and food rationing. I am actually surprised this didn't happen sooner. People are literally having to fight for food at times and having their pets executed for testing positive. Disgusting behavior from the CCP to its own people.

5 ( +8 / -3 )

Lockdowns have so clearly worked around the world. And China is doing them with a vengeance. So we expect to see the virus disappear in China any day now.

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The US are very close to hitting 1,000,000 covid related fatalities. China is by no means perfect but it's a shame the US choose to use this situation for political theatrics.

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Literally any other country on the planet would be better.

No question the USA is dealing with serious problems. But re 'any other country', could You show results from Russia, or could Russia even allow results to be shown? Or does the Kremlin have to first approve the number to ensure they are appropriate for more propaganda. It would be good for the world to see whether Sputnik or whatever Putin's calling his vaccine has been effective. It would be good for Russia to admit it's part of the world, not just another gas station.

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Pukey, no one's dying from Omicron. China's just doing its part to keep the fear alive.

-4 ( +2 / -6 )

Disgusting behavior from the CCP to its own people.

Authoritarian states have rarely ever cared for their 'own' people. Authoritarians seem to think they 'own' people, and that seems to be what many people in those states want. And now many people even some living living in democracies are pushing for their nations to become more authoritarian, for example some are even supporting Russia's invasion of Ukraine, hoping for further Russian expansion.

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Lockdowns have so clearly worked around the world. 

Depends on what your definition of "worked" is. Do they help flatten the curve? Yes. Do they reduce the spread of Covid-19 in the long term? No! From the Guardian...

“We did serious harm to our children and young adults who were robbed of their education, jobs and normal existence, as well as suffering damage to their future prospects, while they were left to inherit a record-breaking mountain of public debt,” he argues. “All this to protect the NHS from a disease that is a far, far greater threat to the elderly, frail and infirm than to the young and healthy."

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/jan/02/britain-got-it-wrong-on-covid-long-lockdown-did-more-harm-than-good-says-scientist

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But re 'any other country', could You show results from Russia, or could Russia even allow results to be shown? Or does the Kremlin have to first approve the number to ensure they are appropriate for more propaganda.

All of that information is publicly available, yes. Russia has had about 18M cases and 370,000 deaths. Pretty bad, one of the worst in the world actually. Their approach has not been particularly effective. Still better than the US, which was my point.

The only place we really don't have many details on is North Korea. Maybe they have the highest per capita rate of deaths in the world, we don't really know. It'd be surprising given how much more they have limited contact, even moreso than usual.

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Lockdowns don't preserve health, but they do destroy economies and kids development. Here's proof from the U.S., showing lockdown States like New York and California faring poorly on COVID response: https://committeetounleashprosperity.com/final-report-card-on-state-responses-to-covid-19/

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@Happy Day

Your source is a hyper-free market pro capitalist think tank. They’d promote literally anything to increase income for the richest of the rich, regardless of human suffering.

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I keep bringing this up because I'm baffled how millions of unvaccinated (a dodgy 30% maybe vaccinated) have entered Europe and I know there's been an increase in infections (but nothing to write home about) deaths rates have remained more or less the same. Can anyone answer the question. Why have we not seen more catastrophic results coming out of Europe

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I keep bringing this up because I'm baffled how millions of unvaccinated (a dodgy 30% maybe vaccinated) have entered Europe and I know there's been an increase in infections (but nothing to write home about) deaths rates have remained more or less the same. Can anyone answer the question. Why have we not seen more catastrophic results coming out of Europe

Your information is wrong. Europe is experiencing a major surge in Covid-19 cases.

https://www.msn.com/en-in/news/trendingtopics/we-are-seeing-as-much-as-15-million-cases-a-day-says-un-chief-amid-covid-19-spike-in-europe/ar-AAW2dWt

https://www.cnbc.com/2022/03/23/omicrons-subvariant-bapoint2-could-spread-wildly-in-europe-epidemiologist.html

We are starting to see the beginnings of one in the US too.

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/philadelphia-restore-indoor-mask-mandate-case-surge-rcna23921

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"U.S. orders non-essential staff to leave Shanghai as virus surges"

"Shanghai Has Recorded More Than 130,000 Covid Cases—and No Deaths" -- WSJ, 10April2022

Other than in Hubei, where the virus is claimed to emerged and early on in the pandemic, deaths attributed to COVID infection in China have been amazingly low. Albeit much reason to doubt American statistics, certainly we will hear from same how "untrustworthy" China is and how we cannot depend upon their honest reporting and America, with the most expensive system almost inaccessible to millions of people, with the highest COVID death count of all, ranking from between 18th and 39th, depending on the data source, in overall quality of care, risk of death, and favorable outcomes, and "Capitalist Healthcare" known to be responsible for ~250,000 deaths by medical error per year...my advice to these 'staff' by all available data: IF YOU VALUE YOUR HEALTH AND SAFETY, STAY IN SHANGHAI!

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 States like New York and California faring poorly on COVID response

You have bad information. Of the 50 US states, California had the 15th lowest infection rate when measured by cases per 100,000 residents. For the most populous state in the US by a large margin it is a credible accomplishment.

https://www.statista.com/statistics/1109004/coronavirus-covid19-cases-rate-us-americans-by-state/

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 IF YOU VALUE YOUR HEALTH AND SAFETY, STAY IN SHANGHAI!

Sigh. Half my family lives in Shanghai. When Mama is in the hospital the brothers their wives have to bring her food, change the sheets and such. We have to buy her medications no available to her in China and ship them there. It is often a struggle to get Mama health care. But this will frost your cookies. A couple of times I have been sick there and needed to use clinics and a hospital. Even in China, cash talks and no matter how full the waiting room was (there are no appointments for health care in China, everything is first come first served), if I had cash I went to the head of the line and was the doctor's next patient.

Btw, my sack still gets tight every time I replay the mental image of the children at the big Childrens Hospital of Fudan University having their blood drawn .... from their necks. Yeah, hold a toddler down and shove a needle in their neck while the child writhes and screams. I will never forget it.

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Your information is wrong. Europe is experiencing a major surge in Covid-19 cases.

I'm in Europe at present, there maybe a major surge reported but as for daily life everything is back to normal. No masks, no restriction on travel, everyone back at work. My bafflement. Millions unvaccinated enter Europe and no catastrophic result. I've had my 3 shots, I've followed the rules and haven't seen elderly relatives for years, I've had to pay through the teeth to travel out of Japan, yet millions enter Europe unvaccinated and nothing much changes. Just baffled

-1 ( +0 / -1 )

Just baffled

normal, as you said

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